Okay, Robert Holloway, Lets Talk Dose--please read it all before your knee
jerks. You will have to post on list as I do not accept email directly from
you. It's public forum stuff.

For starts, this is not about aerosolized DU. There’s an enormous choir
singing that song. It matters, but it's not all that matters.

I started on this rocky, quagmired, roadless path before I gave much thought
to aerosolized DU. I did not know who ANY of the following were: Leuren Moret,
Bob Nichols, Cathy Garger, Doug Rokke, Chris Busby, well it’s a long list, sorry
folks I didn’t know ya’. I started thinking about a whole ‘nother aspect of the
radioactivity associated with U-238.

This is about the smallest sizes of DU munitions in transport, stockpiles,
ammo boxes, and caches [that’s a French word with an accent ague over the “e” so
it sounds like a long “a”; your computer has a cache]. It’s about
configuration, about what happens when a multitude of these serial killers are
stacked together.

Don’t take my word for it. Read the attachment to the Decision Letter of May
18, 2005, from the Department of Transportation. It used to be posted on Docket
18576, but has been removed. You can find it in the files of du-watch@...
various other activists have saved copies of it, as well.

Simply put, when a whole bunch of the smaller sizes of DU ammo [20mm, 25mm,
30mm ] is gathered together in one place, the dynamics are such that gamma ray
emissions [measured at Crane Army Ammunition Activity, IN & Blue Grass Army
Depot] are excessive. [X-rays and neutrons (no measurements on these are
available) must also be above what is allowed by industrial standards—my opinon
based on physics of U-238.] You are the health physics guy, you get paid, I
don't--you find the reference for this.

Some workers [drivers, material handlers, munitions guards, etc], both
civilian and military, nationally and INTERNATIONALLY are at risk of being
radiologically maxed-out for the year in only 100 hours! None of said workers
know this and none wear industry-standard badges for measuring their exposure.
I have communication regarding 17 USAF personnel who can confirm that their
persons were never monitored for radiation exposure.

Here is the pertinent excerpt from the attachment to the decision letter
mentioned above:

“Pallet contact radiation dose rates are generally twice, and in one case,
over four times the regulatory limit for Limited Quantity materials. However,
pallet and modal conveyance dose rates at one meter are generally a multiple of
three to six time justifiable Limited Quantity classification, and for one sized
round, six to eleven times. In the case of this latter round, inappropriate
radiation exposures could occur to transport workers by being in the vicinity of
the material for just 100 hours per year.”

Just 100 hours? What a hefty dose of gamma radiation. That’s what two weeks,
three at most. No wonder this entry was removed from the Docket!!!

Please, Robert Holloway tell use you are an honest and reputable health
physics worker/ CEO. Do your homework. Think about it and confirm that this is
a serious unacceptable situation for workers involved. Maybe you can get a
groups of health physicists to do a field trip to ascertain the x-ray and
neutron emissions from: railcar, mil-van, and tractor-trailer loads of 25mm and
30mm DU munitions at Crane AAA, IN, or Blue Grass Army Depot, KY.

In terms of configuration, the 20mm size would be the worst emitter. Is that
why the Navy stopped using them? Who wants to be confined to a ship with a
constant source of massive amounts of gamma rays, x-rays [or photons if you want
to call them that like NIOSH does] and neutron radiation available to everyone
on board? Maybe you can find a stockpile of them to measure, as well.

Elaine Hunter, D.Sc.




dominouglias <rrands@...> wrote: Hi Paul,

I doubt you will get a direct reply from R W Holloway, but he may
choose to confirm or deny that he is marktwain403. Have a Google for
Nevada Technical Associates, based in Reynolds, Nevada, who provide
radiation safety training. I Believe RW Holloway is still the
Principal of that organisation.

While Mr Holloway appears very knowledgeable on the subject of
airborne radinuclides, to my knowledge he has never posted anything
substantive on the topic on DU-watch. Marktwain403's posts here are
collectively pretty much a lot of remarks pointed towards people,
rather than issues.

It may be, that for reasons I do not understand, martwain403 must
pick his company more carefully than some others might, and may cast
flawless pearls in their general direction, rather than toward DU-
Watch.

The Health Physics Society publishes a journal covering radiation
biology and health effects. I do not recall offhand whether RW
Holloway has published there or not, or whether he has any position
on their editorial board; perhaps marktwain403 could refresh our
memories.

Cheers,
Robert


--- In du-watch@yahoogroups.com, Paul Merkel <PAULMERKEL@...> wrote:
>
> Samuel Clemens - I will take a look at Health Physics Society.
>
> Who funds this organization?
>
> Who are you?
>
> Who is your employer?
>
> Who contributes to your income at any level?
>
> Paul Merkel
> Open Minded
>
> --- marktwain403 <marktwain403@...> wrote:
>
> > There is a great deal of false information being distributed by
such
> > people as Cathy Garger and Leuren Moret. Everything is a poison
and
> > nothing is a poison. The poison is in the dose.
> >
> > Uranium is naturally present in every cupful of earth on the
planet.
> > Uranium can easily be measured in your backyard, given the right
> > equipment and knowledge. The mere fact that something is
radioactive
> > does not make it dangerous, except in the minds of Cathy Garger
and
> > Leuren Moret. What matters is how much of a dose you get from it.
> >
> > An accurate evaluation of the risks of uranium or depleted
uranium can
> > only come from those with adequate training and years of
experience.
> > This excludes Cathy Garger, Leuren Moret, Doug Rokke, Traprock
Peace
> > Center and many others who post here. Where to go then for good
> > advice. Perhaps the most impartial source for advice on this
issue is
> > the Health Physics Society. The website of the Health Physics
Society
> > has considerable information on depleted uranium. Dare you look
at it,
> > or will you read only things that support your opinion? If the
latter,
> > then that is an example of "confirmation bias" which interferes
with
> > wise decision making.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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