#102022 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:38 am
Subject: Re: Diabetic flyer ends up in coma
arnora@...

Excuse me, Vicki, but MY endo gave me a sliding
scale, too, but the sliding
scale was for injecting bolus insulin according to my
BGs AFTER having
eaten. That means I would be battling a spike AFTER it
had already
happened! I ignored his scale and went to the more
accurate dosing of bolus
insulin according to the carbs in the meal I was going
to eat. Sliding
scales are NOT beneficial, or maybe beneficial only to
gauge corrections
(which I find to be dicey at best because of the
"stacking" factor).

Nora

At 09:12 PM 11/18/06 -0800, you wrote:

That's great, Kay, and that's the way it should be
done. You're lucky;
you apparently have an enlightened doctor. From my
experience in the
field for the last 20 years as a medical
transcriptionist for a major
hospital system, as well as my 9 years on online
diabetes lists, this is
quite exceptional. I stand behind the post you
responded to. Very few
doctors use this approach.
Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "IL Jewel" <iljewel@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Diabetic flyer ends up in coma

> I'm on a sliding scale based upon what my blood
sugar
> reading is
> Kay aka IL Jewel
> --- whimsy2 <whimsy2@...> wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine any diabetic overdosing
deliberately
>> because of going
>> without. I almost said "intelligent diabetic" --
>> but I s'pose there are
>> a lot of not-so-intelligent diabetics out there
too.
>> Still and all, one
>> would certainly hope the diabetic was instructed
in
>> appropriate use (and
>> mis-use) of insulin.
>>
>> Actually, very few doctors advocate that the
patient
>> make insulin
>> changes without the doc's input anyway. More
>> typically, diabetics are
>> given a standard dose to take, disregarding the
>> effect of carbs on BGs,
>> and encourage the patient to let the doc know if
>> that doesn't work, then
>> the doc increases the dose accordingly.
>>
>> In other words, docs don't expect or want the
>> patient to make changes on
>> their own.
>> Vicki


#102023 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:17 am
Subject: Re: Diabetic flyer ends up in coma vabbott1

Hi, Nora...me bad. Of course I know how the sliding
scale "works" - I've
certainly typed enough reports quoting the "sliding
scale" (The mere
term makes me cringe!)

But as you mentioned, (and I've written previously),
it only corrects
after the fact. Instructions for sliding scale are to
take your BG
before a meal and if it's "xx" take so much insulin,
if it's "xy" take
more [or less]. And as you said, it doesn't account
at all for the
foods you're going to be eating at that particular
meal, therefore the
sliding scale NEVER works; you're constantly behind.

I purely don't understand why the medical profession
would think this is
an adequate way to control BGs. At least pumpers are
instructed
correctly. So why don't doctors realize the fallacy
in the sliding
scale as currently used and use insulin dosing as
pumpers are instructed
to do?
Vicki

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: Diabetic flyer ends up in coma


> Excuse me, Vicki, but MY endo gave me a sliding
scale, too, but the
> sliding
> scale was for injecting bolus insulin according to
my BGs AFTER having
> eaten. That means I would be battling a spike AFTER
it had already
> happened! I ignored his scale and went to the more
accurate dosing of
> bolus
> insulin according to the carbs in the meal I was
going to eat. Sliding
> scales are NOT beneficial, or maybe beneficial only
to gauge
> corrections
> (which I find to be dicey at best because of the
"stacking" factor).
>
> Nora
>
> At 09:12 PM 11/18/06 -0800, you wrote:
>
> That's great, Kay, and that's the way it should be
done. You're lucky;
> you apparently have an enlightened doctor. From my
experience in the
> field for the last 20 years as a medical
transcriptionist for a major
> hospital system, as well as my 9 years on online
diabetes lists, this
> is
> quite exceptional. I stand behind the post you
responded to. Very few
> doctors use this approach.
> Vicki
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "IL Jewel" <iljewel@...>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:45 PM
> Subject: Diabetic flyer ends up in coma
>
> > I'm on a sliding scale based upon what my blood
sugar
> > reading is
> > Kay aka IL Jewel
> > --- whimsy2 <whimsy2@...> wrote:
> >
> >> I can't imagine any diabetic overdosing
deliberately
> >> because of going
> >> without. I almost said "intelligent diabetic" --
> >> but I s'pose there are
> >> a lot of not-so-intelligent diabetics out there
too.
> >> Still and all, one
> >> would certainly hope the diabetic was instructed
in
> >> appropriate use (and
> >> mis-use) of insulin.
> >>
> >> Actually, very few doctors advocate that the
patient
> >> make insulin
> >> changes without the doc's input anyway. More
> >> typically, diabetics are
> >> given a standard dose to take, disregarding the
> >> effect of carbs on BGs,
> >> and encourage the patient to let the doc know if
> >> that doesn't work, then
> >> the doc increases the dose accordingly.
> >>
> >> In other words, docs don't expect or want the
> >> patient to make changes on
> >> their own.
> >> Vicki
>
>
>

#102024 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:54 am
Subject: Re: Diabetic flyer ends up in coma
arnora@...

Simple. Because most doctors have NO idea how to
treat the different types
of DM and even less idea how to instruct in correct
insulin use. BIG fault
of medical schools! And probably not the only fault. I
recently read about
a study where computers were used to sort through and
narrow down
possibilities depending upon symptoms presented. The
doctors involved had
much greater accuracy in making diagnoses.
Unfortunately, using computers
is seen to impinge upon many of the doctors' egos as
diagnosticians and
they refuse do it. I believe it would help make more
accurate dxs plus
include a whole range of possible treatments depending
upon individual
patient circumstances. Maybe in the future?

Nora

At 06:17 AM 11/19/06 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi, Nora...me bad. Of course I know how the sliding
scale "works" - I've
>certainly typed enough reports quoting the "sliding
scale" (The mere
>term makes me cringe!)
>
>But as you mentioned, (and I've written previously),
it only corrects
>after the fact. Instructions for sliding scale are to
take your BG
>before a meal and if it's "xx" take so much insulin,
if it's "xy" take
>more [or less]. And as you said, it doesn't account
at all for the
>foods you're going to be eating at that particular
meal, therefore the
>sliding scale NEVER works; you're constantly behind.
>
>I purely don't understand why the medical profession
would think this is
>an adequate way to control BGs. At least pumpers are
instructed
>correctly. So why don't doctors realize the fallacy
in the sliding
>scale as currently used and use insulin dosing as
pumpers are instructed
>to do?
>Vicki



#102025 From: "cappiewebtv" <cappie@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: yogurt cappiewebtv
"luvscoco99" <eradbrown@...> wrote:
>
> making cheese from yogurt...
>
> take two used metal coffe cans or something that you
can balance a
> stick on two things preferably..and then put them
side by side but
> apart from each other. ..then you put a big
salad(plastic or what
> you have) between the two coffee cans..then taking a
cheese cloth
> (brand new or cleaned) you pour in plain yogurt into
the cheese
> cloth, put over the bowl in the middle (all this can
be put on a
> table or in your fridge) and then tie up the cheese
cloth, and hang
> the cloth around a long wooden dowl or even just a
long piece of
> wood. and hang the "bundle" for as long as it takes
for the yogurt
> to drip into the bowl. when it is done...you are
supposed to have
> fresh cheese...but, I believe that you have to use
it sooner than
> later!
>
> I saw this on a Martha Stewart show, a few years
back!
>
> Your yogurt recipe made me think of the cheese!
>
> sorry if it isn't the most descriptive way to say
it...I was just
> resaying it the way that I remembered it!
>
>
>
> luvscoco99
>

Good frief if I had to go to all that trouble I'd
NEVER drain my yogurt. Just
use a clean empty yogurt tub (or put the yougurt in a
bowl & use the one it came
in). Hang a few layers of damp cheescloth squares
around the rim with the
excess dangling into the tub but not touching the
bottom inside. Spoon the
yogurt into the cloth. Cover wtih the tub's top right
over the cheesecloth &
put in the frig for at least 24 hrs. This whole
operation takes about 5 min. or
less & the cheesecloth can be rinsed out with hot
water (no soap) after use,
dried & reused over & over.


cappie



#102026 From: "cappiewebtv" <cappie@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:11 pm
Subject: exercise cappiewebtv

>Hi! 40 minutes of strong Iacuzzi, unbelivable!
Probably the only "excercise"
that made my FBG go down. Try it... Kind regards
Sergio <

Sorry but I don't have the faintest idea what this is.
If it is anything like a
jacuzzi, I don't have one & don't know of any access
to one near me. Thanks for
the thought anyway, glad it helps you.

cappie


#102027 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study splaster27239

Why would I want to buy plain yogurt and also buy
fruit to put in it?
It's six of one, a half dozen of the other. The
Breyer's light yogurt
is low in carbs as well as fat. Their regular yogurt
with fruit has 45
carbs for an 8-oz. package, instead of 15 for the
light. Plus, it's
delicious. It's what I choose to eat. A portion of 4
oz. doesn't have
too many carbs for me. In fact, along with the yogurt
and big salad
that I usually have for lunch, I also have an apple,
an orange, or some
strawberries.

Sue

On Friday, November 17, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Sky wrote:

> Why do you eat the light yogurt when it will have
more carbs than
> plain yogurt? You can also...with the plain stuff,
because I have NO
> idea what else is added to light flavored
yogurt...reduce the carb
> count by 1/4 because the carbs in yogurt are figured
from the whole
> milk used and the fermentation process "eats up"
most of those carbs.
>
> It's very easy to add some frozen or fresh fruit to
plain
> yogurt. It's also good with some Splenda and
cinnamon added.


#102029 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:24 am
Subject: Re: yogurt splaster27239

The first couple of years that I took metformin, it
gave me terrible
diarrhea. When I started eating some yogurt every day,
the diarrhea
ended.

Sue

On Saturday, November 18, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Ezrom
Mokgakala wrote:

> Thank you very much for suggesting Vanilla Flavoured
Yogourt.. I have
> been staying away from Milk products since I have
been sufferring from
> Diarrhea for the last two months. My doctor is
simply puzzled by this
> fact. She has suggested that I stop using Metoformin
and reduce my use
> of Glyburide. But the Diarhea still contnues. What
can I do?


#102030 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study gretchen4c

> Why would I want to buy plain yogurt and also buy
fruit to put in it?

I don't know why *you* would want to do this, but *I*
would want to do it
because (1) most of the fruit yogurts have all sorts
of other stuff in them
that I don't want and (2) when you add your own fruit,
you have a greater
variety of flavors available.

I make my own yogurt or, lately, kefir.

Gretchen



#102031 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study splaster27239

Convenience is one reason I prefer Breyer's. Making
yogurt is way too
much trouble, for me.

Sue

On Sunday, November 19, 2006, at 09:18 PM, gretchen
becker wrote:

>> Why would I want to buy plain yogurt and also buy
fruit to put in it?
>
> I don't know why *you* would want to do this, but
*I* would want to do
> it
> because (1) most of the fruit yogurts have all sorts
of other stuff in
> them
> that I don't want and (2) when you add your own
fruit, you have a
> greater
> variety of flavors available.
>
> I make my own yogurt or, lately, kefir.
>



#102032 From: Candise Warren <tomncandy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study candy_rose_35

The Blue Bunny Carb Watch Yogurt only has 5 carbs in
it and that is for 6 ounces
WITH fruit. It may not be available everywhere, Blue
Bunny also has Heavenly Low
Carb Ice Cream. I think it is also called Carb Watch.
Let me know if any one
else has seen or tried this. I am in Oklahoma and
don't know where all it is
available. I can't get low carb bread here, but many
of you can. Maybe they just
aren't as enlightened where I love.

Candise

...Never drive faster than your guardian Angel can
fly....



----- Original Message ----
From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:29:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study

Why would I want to buy plain yogurt and also buy
fruit to put in it?
It's six of one, a half dozen of the other. The
Breyer's light yogurt
is low in carbs as well as fat. Their regular yogurt
with fruit has 45
carbs for an 8-oz. package, instead of 15 for the
light. Plus, it's
delicious. It's what I choose to eat. A portion of 4
oz. doesn't have
too many carbs for me. In fact, along with the yogurt
and big salad
that I usually have for lunch, I also have an apple,
an orange, or some
strawberries.

Sue

On Friday, November 17, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Sky wrote:

> Why do you eat the light yogurt when it will have
more carbs than
> plain yogurt? You can also...with the plain stuff,
because I have NO
> idea what else is added to light flavored
yogurt...reduce the carb
> count by 1/4 because the carbs in yogurt are figured
from the whole
> milk used and the fermentation process "eats up"
most of those carbs.
>
> It's very easy to add some frozen or fresh fruit to
plain
> yogurt. It's also good with some Splenda and
cinnamon added.




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#102033 From: Candise Warren <tomncandy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:25 am
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study candy_rose_35

gretchen,

What is kefir??

Candise

...Never drive faster than your guardian Angel can
fly....



----- Original Message ----
From: gretchen becker <gretchen@...>

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:18:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study

> Why would I want to buy plain yogurt and also buy
fruit to put in it?

I don't know why *you* would want to do this, but *I*
would want to do it
because (1) most of the fruit yogurts have all sorts
of other stuff in them
that I don't want and (2) when you add your own fruit,
you have a greater
variety of flavors available.

I make my own yogurt or, lately, kefir.

Gretchen




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#102034 From: "susan11897" <susan11897@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:05 am
Subject: Distressing Eye Exam susan11897

I had an eye exam for a new prescription on Saturday
and, in the
course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
news well :))

She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.

I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.

I have spent some time on Google since then and found
that there is a
suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.

I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this group
is about
cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at the
top of the list.

Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
and I thought I'd ask here.

Also, does anyone on the list have general experience
in dealing with
cataracts?

Thanks for any help,

Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds



#102035 From: "Jo" <letoile@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:19 am
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam djaugh38

I had cataracts removed this summer. One cataract
was larger than the
other, but the surgery was very easy. Find yourself a
good opthalmologist
and you will be led down the right path. One thing I
feel very strongly
about with diabetes is that you no longer use an
optometrist, but find an
opthalmologist. For the differences, look here
http://www.lasersurgeryforeyes.com/learnthedifference.html

I am not sure that you can "stop" the growth of a
cataract, but I do know it
is vital to wear good quality sunglasses outdoors in
the sun.

Everyone that I spoke to about this surgery told me it
was easy and very
worthwhile. Your vision will improve greatly.
Nothing to fear at all with
a good specialist.

If you would like to ask me any further questions, I
would be happy to
answer you, privately or on list, as you choose.

Jo in Minnesota

----- Original Message -----
From: "susan11897" <susan11897@...>

Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Distressing Eye Exam


>I had an eye exam for a new prescription on Saturday
and, in the
> course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
> cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
> news well :))
>
> She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.
>
> I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.
>
> I have spent some time on Google since then and
found that there is a
> suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.
>
> I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this
group is about
> cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
> possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at
the top of the list.
>
> Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
> too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
> individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
> and I thought I'd ask here.
>
> Also, does anyone on the list have general
experience in dealing with
> cataracts?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds



#102036 From: Fred Bonjour <homebrew@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:29 am
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam febonjour

My wife just had hers removed (T2) and she had her
vision the next morning.
This is not what our parents went through. They now
have lens for both close
and far vision (My wife did not qualify for because
her previous glasses 20/200
were too strong) Her vision is now 20/20 and 20/15.
She just thought that she
needed a new script.

It's not the end of the world.

Fred

susan11897 <susan11897@...> wrote:
I had an eye exam for a new prescription on
Saturday and, in the
course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
news well :))

She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.

I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.

I have spent some time on Google since then and found
that there is a
suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.

I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this group
is about
cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at the
top of the list.

Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
and I thought I'd ask here.

Also, does anyone on the list have general experience
in dealing with
cataracts?

Thanks for any help,

Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds






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#102037 From: Kore <koresun@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:23 am
Subject: Resveratrol for endurance (NY Times
article-long) koresun

New York Times article - November 17, 2006

Red Wine Ingredient Increases Endurance, Study Shows
By NICHOLAS WADE

A drug already shown to reverse the effects of obesity
in mice and make them
live longer has now been shown to increase their
endurance as well.

Experts say the finding may open up a new field of
research on similar drugs
that may be relevant to the prevention of diabetes and
other diseases.

An ordinary laboratory mouse will run one kilometer on
a treadmill before
collapsing from exhaustion. But mice given
resveratrol, a minor component of
red wine and other foods, run twice as far. They also
have energy-charged
muscles and a reduced heart rate, just as trained
athletes do, according to an
article published online in Cell by Johan Auwerx and
colleagues at the
Institute of Genetics and Molecular and Cellular
Biology in Illkirch, France.

“Resveratrol makes you look like a trained athlete
without the training,” Dr.
Auwerx (pronounced OH-wer-ix) said in an interview.

He and his colleagues said the same mechanism seemed
likely to operate in
humans, based on analysis in a group of Finnish
subjects of the gene that is
influenced by the drug.

Their rationale for testing resveratrol was evidence
obtained three years ago
that it could initiate a genetic mechanism known to
protect mice against the
degenerative diseases of aging and prolong their life
spans by 30 percent.

Dr. Auwerx, whose interest is in the genetic control
of metabolism, decided to
see whether resveratrol would offset the effects of a
high-fat diet,
specifically the disturbances known as metabolic
syndrome that are the
precursors of diabetes and obesity. In his report, he
and his colleagues say
very large doses of resveratrol protected mice from
weight gain and developing
the syndrome.

Dr. Auwerx attributes this in large part to the
significantly increased number
of mitochondria he detected in the muscle cells of
treated mice.

Mitochondria are the organelles in the body’s cells
that generate energy. With
extra mitochondria, the treated mice were able to burn
more fat and thus avoid
weight gain and decreased sensitivity to insulin, Dr.
Auwerx said. He found
their muscle fibers had been remodeled by the drug
into the type more prevalent
in trained human athletes.

Dr. Ronald M. Evans, an expert on the hormonal control
of metabolism at the
Salk Institute, said the report by Dr. Auwerx’s team
had “shown very
convincingly that resveratrol improves mitochondrial
function” and fends off
metabolic disease. He described the study as “very
important, because it is
rare that we identify orally active molecules,
especially natural molecules,
that have such a broad-based, positive effect on a
problem which is as
widespread in society as metabolic disease.”

Dr. Ronald Kahn, director of the Joslin Diabetes
Center in Boston, said this
research would focus more attention on a recently
discovered group of enzymes
called sirtuins that resveratrol is believed to
affect.

Noting that he is a scientific adviser to Sirtris, a
company developing drugs
that activate sirtuins, Dr. Kahn said that “certainly
drugs that act on this
class of proteins have the potential to have major
effects on human disease.”

Dr. Auwerx’s study complements one published this
month by Dr. David Sinclair
of the Harvard Medical School, who found that much
more moderate doses of
resveratrol protected mice from the metabolic effects
of a high-calorie diet.
Though his mice did not lose weight, they lived far
longer than the undosed
mice fed the same diet.

The two studies were started and performed
independently, Dr. Auwerx said,
though he obtained supplies of resveratrol from
Sirtris, which was co-founded
by Dr. Sinclair, and has become a scientific adviser
to it.

A drug that prolongs life, averts degenerative disease
and makes one into a
champion athlete sounds almost too good to be true,
especially if all or even
some of its properties should turn out to apply to
people.

Dr. Christoph Westphal, Sirtris’s chief executive,
replied to this objection
with a question, “Is it too good to be true that when
you are young you get no
disease?”

Dr. Westphal said he believed that the activation of
sirtuins was what kept the
body healthy in youth, but that these enzymes became
less powerful with age.
This is the process that is reversed by resveratrol
and, he hopes, by the more
powerful sirtuin activator drugs that his company has
developed, though many
years of clinical trials will be needed to prove they
work and are safe.

The buzz over sirtuin activators has infected
scientists who do research on the
aging process, several of whom are already taking
resveratrol. Dr. Sinclair has
been swallowing resveratrol capsules for three years
and has said his parents
and half the members of his laboratory do the same. So
does Dr. Tomas Prolla at
the University of Wisconsin, who said, “The fact that
investigators in the
field are taking it is a good sign there is something
there.”

But many others, including Dr. Leonard Guarente of
M.I.T., whose 15-year study
of sirtuins has laid the basis for the field, say it
is premature to take the
drug.

It was after working in his laboratory as a
postdoctoral student that Dr.
Sinclair found in 2003 that resveratrol was a sirtuin
activator. Though
resveratrol has long been known to be an ingredient of
red wine and other
foods, its presence there is minuscule compared with
the doses used in
experiments.

Dr. Sinclair dosed his mice daily with 22 milligrams
of resveratrol per
kilogram of weight, and Dr. Auwerx used up to 400
milligrams. No one can drink
enough red wine to obtain such doses.

Resveratrol is sold as capsules that contain extracts
of red wine and giant
knotweed, a plant found in China. The company
Longevinex makes capsules
containing 40 milligrams of resveratrol that are used
by several researchers.
Longevinex’s president, Bill Sardi, said demand had
increased by a factor of
2,400 since Nov. 1. But even Longevinex’s capsules
would have to be taken in
almost impossible quantities to attain doses
equivalent to those used in the
mice.

Whether much lower doses than those used in the
experiments would benefit
athletic performance is not clear, Dr. Evans of the
Salk Institute said. And
higher doses may not be as safe as the small amounts
found in foods and
nutraceuticals, he added.

Scientists’ rule of thumb is to believe nothing until
it has been confirmed in
at least one other laboratory. The Sinclair and Auwerx
experiments, though not
the same, both point to powerful beneficial effects of
resveratrol. But many of
the details remain up in the air, and almost all hopes
about resveratrol,
especially for people, remain subject to revision.

The science of the field is still in flux, as many
central details are unclear.
The main theory developed by Dr. Guarente and others
is that sirtuins sense the
level of energy expenditure in living cells and switch
the body’s resources
from reproduction to tissue maintenance when food is
low.

This is an ancient strategy, Dr. Guarente believes,
intended to let an organism
live through famines and postpone breeding until good
times return. The switch
to tissue maintenance involves specific action that
would stave off the major
degenerative diseases of aging like cancer, diabetes,
heart disease and
degeneration of brain cells.

One major uncertainty is whether resveratrol in the
mice experiments even acts
through sirtuins, supporting the theory, or in some
other way.

Dr. Auwerx cited new evidence that resveratrol did
activate sirtuins, but Dr.
Evans said the case was not yet convincing.

Dr. Auwerx theorizes that resveratrol activates
sirtuin, which in turn
activates a substance known as PGC1-alpha in a manner
described last year by
Dr. Bruce Spiegelman, an expert on fat metabolism at
the Harvard Medical
School. Subsequent actions by PGC1-alpha then
stimulate cells to produce more
mitochondria. In an e-mail message, Dr. Spiegelman
described Dr. Auwerx’s paper
as “pretty good.”

Increased energy production by mitochondria generates
dangerous reactive
chemicals that are known to damage cells. So it has
long been puzzling that
exercise, in which extra energy is expended, is good
for health, not bad. The
answer, Dr. Auwerx suggested, may have been provided
by Dr. Spiegelman, who
reported in the journal Cell last month that
PGC1-alpha not only increases
mitochondria but at the same time also generates extra
chemicals that detoxify
the energy byproducts.




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#102038 From: DEKEP@...
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:19 am
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam DEKEP@...
Send Email
In a message dated 11/20/2006 11:07:10 AM Eastern
Standard Time,
susan11897@... writes:

> Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
>
Some years ago I read that vitamin C can delay the
onset of cataracts. I
can't say this is true, but I do take 250 mg of Ester
C every day and so far
cataracts have not been a problem for me.

I'm 16 years older than you, Susan, and I was told
that I have a small
cataract in one eye. On a scale of 1 to 10 it would be
considered a 2. Nothing
worth
operating on, and I don't even know it's there.

Cheers,

Derek (Paice)
Web site: http://www.dapaice.com
"Click on Potpourri for diabetes tests."


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#102039 From: "Gunner" <gunner@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:48 am
Subject: RE: Distressing Eye Exam Tail_Gunner_01

>> I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts
<<

Yeah, me too <sigh>. I'll be 62 next week and have
the same problem. My
Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) is also an
ophthalmologist - I see him
twice/year for my eyes and once/year for my aviation
physical. He
identified cataracts earlier this year and at my 2nd
visit (about a month
ago) said they were growing. His estimate is I'll
need the surgery in 6
months or a year. He stated flatly that diabetics get
cataracts younger
than other folks but also said there was no difference
in the outcome of the
surgery as compared to the rest of the population.

I see my endo next week and will discuss all this with
him... if he has
anything different to say I'll post it here.

Good luck!

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On
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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:05

Subject:Distressing Eye Exam



I had an eye exam for a new prescription on Saturday
and, in the
course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
news well :))

She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.

I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.

I have spent some time on Google since then and found
that there is a
suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.

I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this group
is about
cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at the
top of the list.

Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
and I thought I'd ask here.

Also, does anyone on the list have general experience
in dealing with
cataracts?

Thanks for any help,

Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


#102040 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:33 pm
Subject: Good news or bad news? gretchen4c

I've been reading a report about resveretrol (the
good stuff in red wine)
preventing the fatty-liver problem in obese mice. The
mice still got fat on
a high-calorie diet, but they didn't have fatty
livers.

But they were giving them the human equivalent of 100
glasses of red wine a
day. I think I'll pass on that, thanks.

Gretchen


#102041 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam gretchen4c

> I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.

I have nondiabetic friends who had cataracts at your
age or younger. When
they were removed, they were thrilled because they
could see without glasses
for the first time in their life, as they'd always
been myopic.

And once you have an artificial lens, your vision
shouldn't fluctuate with
changing BG levels. So it's not something to be
terribly worried about.

Gretchen



#102042 From: Helen Mueller <jlnhjm@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam joenayares

Suzz, I was diagnosed with tiny cataracts about
twenty years ago. As
you know I am very much into taking supplements.
About once a year I
use a bottle of pycnogenol, otherwise I maintain with
grapeseed extract
and marine pine bark. I take extra Vitamin C, 500mg,
above what is in
my multi. I use a combo pill of lutein and bilberry
and an herb called
Eyebright. Plus there might be a synergy with other
things like
acetyl-l-carnitine and arginine.

I wear sunglasses outside, we have very strong
sunshine in the summer
and some grey glare filled days in the winter.

Other than needing a correction of 3.00 to read, my
cataracts have not
grown in all these years. The original doses of
pycnogenol, taken about
15 years ago reversed the beginnings of retinopathy.

Other than cataracts older eyes need more light,
something about rods
and cones, and I do find that to be true. The
supplements have not
touched that; just the retinopathy and the cataracts.

Hope this helps,

Helen

#102043 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam vabbott1

I'm 69; been (LADA type 1) diabetic for 9 years and
have no diabetes
related complications whatsoever. But I've had
"beginning cataracts" for
at least 8 years which have NOT gotten worse, as well
as "beginning"
macular degeneration. I've also been taking 200 mg
pycnogenol daily as
a preventative. I don't know if this has prevented my
beginning
cataracts or macular degneration from progressing but
at least they
haven't progressed. So I'll just continue taking the
pyc.

You might try taking pycnogenol and see if it helps
you. And if it
does - please let us know. It certainly can't hurt.
Vicki


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gunner" <gunner@...>

Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Distressing Eye Exam


>>> I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with
>>> cataracts
> <<
>
> Yeah, me too <sigh>. I'll be 62 next week and have
the same problem.
> My
> Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) is also an
ophthalmologist - I see him
> twice/year for my eyes and once/year for my aviation
physical. He
> identified cataracts earlier this year and at my 2nd
visit (about a
> month
> ago) said they were growing. His estimate is I'll
need the surgery in
> 6
> months or a year. He stated flatly that diabetics
get cataracts
> younger
> than other folks but also said there was no
difference in the outcome
> of the
> surgery as compared to the rest of the population.
>
> I see my endo next week and will discuss all this
with him... if he
> has
> anything different to say I'll post it here.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -= Gunner =-
> -= St Johns, FL =-
> -= www.tail-gunner.net <http://www.tail-gunner.net/>
=-
> -= http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-wxsta =- <-
Weather Station at
> Gunner's
> Garage
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> Behalf Of susan11897
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:05
>Subject: Distressing Eye Exam
>
>
>
> I had an eye exam for a new prescription on Saturday
and, in the
> course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
> cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
> news well :))
>
> She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.
>
> I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with
> cataracts.
>
> I have spent some time on Google since then and
found that there is a
> suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.
>
> I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this
group is about
> cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
> possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at
the top of the
> list.
>
> Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
> too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
> individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
> and I thought I'd ask here.
>
> Also, does anyone on the list have general
experience in dealing with
> cataracts?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>
>



#102044 From: Barb Mandel <bam817@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: Good news or bad news? calypso817

I don't know Gretchen, there are some days that I
think 100 glasses of
wine would sure help things out - of course I don't
think I have had 100
glasses of wine in my entire life, so don't know that
is would solve
much except to make me unaware of my problems LOL -
will be going past
you Thursday morning on the way to my sister's for
Thanksgiving - we
decided to go "over the woods and through the river"
for a little more
excitement. Happy turkey day to all.

Barb in NH

gretchen becker wrote:
> I've been reading a report about resveretrol (the
good stuff in red wine)
> preventing the fatty-liver problem in obese mice.
The mice still got fat on
> a high-calorie diet, but they didn't have fatty
livers.
>
> But they were giving them the human equivalent of
100 glasses of red wine a
> day. I think I'll pass on that, thanks.
>
> Gretchen
>
>
>
>

#102045 From: DEKEP@...
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:09 am
Subject: Re: Good news or bad news? DEKEP@...

In a message dated 11/20/2006 1:48:10 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
gretchen@... writes:

> But they were giving them the human equivalent of
100 glasses of red wine a
> day. I think I'll pass on that, thanks.

But it's nice to know that my current 6 oz of Merlot
per day could have
overall beneficial effects, especially since I've
verified that it lowers my BG
and
raises HDL cholesterol.


Derek (Paice)
Web site: http://www.dapaice.com
"Click on Potpourri for diabetes tests."


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#102046 From: mlk <dovup21@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: Good news or bad news? dovup21

I agree with that too. Gretchen do you think the
resveretrol pills
are any good?
ml

gretchen becker wrote:
> I've been reading a report about resveretrol (the
good stuff in red wine)
> preventing the fatty-liver problem in obese mice.
The mice still got fat on
> a high-calorie diet, but they didn't have fatty
livers.
>
> But they were giving them the human equivalent of
100 glasses of red wine a
> day. I think I'll pass on that, thanks.
>
> Gretchen
>
>

#102047 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam arnora@...

Try pygnogenol or grape seed.

Nora

At 04:05 PM 11/20/06 +0000, you wrote:

>I had an eye exam for a new prescription on Saturday
and, in the
>course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
>cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
>news well :))
>
>She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.
>
>I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.
>
>I have spent some time on Google since then and found
that there is a
>suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.
>
>I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this
group is about
>cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
>possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at
the top of the list.
>
>Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
>too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
>individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
>and I thought I'd ask here.
>
>Also, does anyone on the list have general experience
in dealing with
>cataracts?
>
>Thanks for any help,
>
>Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds

#102048 From: "marla James" <ghostlady@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:34 am
Subject: Re: Distressing Eye Exam marlajames1961

I am 45 and I have the start of careracts for about
10 years now. The
othomologist said they could be there for years and
years. Don't distress
about it. I have two eye surgeries coming up in
January. They will be
putting tubes in my eye ducts for constant dry eyes
and I have bleeding in
my eyes due to diabetes, retinopathy.
Marla

-------Original Message-------

From: susan11897
Date: 11/20/06 08:06:28

Subject: Distressing Eye Exam

I had an eye exam for a new prescription on Saturday
and, in the
course of that, the optometrist noted that I had 2
'very small'
cataracts -- one in each eye. Apparently, I am not
going to take this
news well :))

She said that being a diabetic could make them grow
faster.

I am 61 and this just strikes me as young to be
dealing with cataracts.

I have spent some time on Google since then and found
that there is a
suspected connection between cataracts and diabetes.

I wanted to ask what the combined wisdom of this group
is about
cataracts. I'd like to take measures to delay the
growth as much as
possible. Obviously, staying in good control is at the
top of the list.

Does anyone have experience or knowledge of
supplements that can help
too? I have Googled that and come up with a list but
there are
individuals on this list who have a lot of knowledge
about supplements
and I thought I'd ask here.

Also, does anyone on the list have general experience
in dealing with
cataracts?

Thanks for any help,

Suzz, dx97, d&e only, no meds





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#102049 From: aslonski@...
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Good news or bad news? piperangus2

Then, for all of us women of that certain age where
we're going through our
"changes," all alcohol isn't good for us as it only
exacerbates those hot
flashes! I tell ya, sometimes you're darned if you do
and you're darned if you
don't. Go figure. Me? Think I'll just sew my mouth
shut and be done with it.
;-)

ttfn -=- annie

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
I've been reading a report about resveretrol (the good
stuff in red wine)
preventing the fatty-liver problem in obese mice. The
mice still got fat on
a high-calorie diet, but they didn't have fatty
livers.

But they were giving them the human equivalent of 100
glasses of red wine a
day. I think I'll pass on that, thanks.

Gretchen




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#102050 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Misguided study splaster27239

And just exactly where is it that you love, LOL.
Sue

On Monday, November 20, 2006, at 09:24 AM, Candise
Warren wrote:

> Maybe they just aren't as enlightened where I love.
>



#102051 From: Kore <koresun@...>
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:21 pm
Subject: Good news or bad news? koresun

>resveretrol...obese mice...didn't have fatty
livers. But they were giving them
the human equivalent of 100 glasses of red wine a
day.<

There are now resveratrol supplements available which
don't involve drinking
any wine at all. Since I don't like wine, aside from
champagne, that's what I'm
going to be investigating.

Dianne



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