#101872 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial gretchen4c

> If you change sensors every three days, I guess you would need
ten sensors
> a
> month? Is that correct? Yikes! And I thought test strips were
expensive!!

I think it costs about the same as testing 10 times a day and paying
for the
strips yourself.

Gretchen


#101871 From: "Jean-Terry" <teejaysp@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: CSIRO wellbeing diet jeanwudinna

I was stimulated to do a bit more thinking regarding meals . My
daughter bought
the CSIRO Wellbeing Diet book some time ago and whilst she thought it
was
interesting decided using it as a "diet" plan was too hard so gave
it me.

Now I never follow a planned diet but I like to use receipe's as a
guideline and
I tried a couple from it yesterday. Lunch is always a problem for me
as for
years sandwiches were an easy option and now I try to avoid bread as
much as
possible. They had a couple of frittata recipes. I had to combine
the two
somewhat as I didn't have all the ingredients but I kept the portion
sizes and
tried it out. It turned out really nice and tasty but we could only
manage half
of it and I have frozen the other pieces for future lunch. Basically
the idea
is to use some carbs but plenty of protein and small amount of fats.

So my frittata had 200gms of bacon pieces (for two people) and a
small amount
each of brocoli, carrot, pumpkin, tomato and Capsicum with 2 eggs and
1/4 cup
milk. Flavour from 1/2 teaspoon soy and 1/2 teaspoon olive oil.
Some chopped
parsley and herbs from the garden. It was just baked for 35 mins
and eaten
with lettuce and cucumber. Couldn't be easier

I will search out some more lunch time ideas.

For tea (it was Sunday and no shops open) I decided to try another
recipe using
organic chicken breasts I had in the freezer. I chopped broccoli,
carrot strips
and capsicum for stir frying. Sesame seeds and olive oil (I think),
because
hubby got the job of cooking this one. We missed out any
ingredients I didn't
have in the house (Sunday and no shops open) and he forgot the Soy.
Made the
full recipe for 4 people (we only had 650gms not 800gms of Chicken).
I divided
it four ways when I served (putting 2 serves away for freezing. I
served with a
packet of Continental Rice I bought on special mainly for use when in
the
caravan, and again divided this into 4 portions.

The quantity of chicken was nearly double what we would normally
have, serve of
veg was smaller and portion of rice was a little smaller too.

I will search amongst other books for more ideas and see how we get
on. My BG's
were fine so I will see if this helps our digestion.

I can remember reading (maybe on line) about a dietician who had
taken pictures
of meals to help people understand what portion size they should be
eating. I
did buy some digital scales a while ago to try to get an idea of
portions. I
can remember the cook at our hospital having to do this at one time.

When I was read what this CSIRO book suggested for a diet plan for
a day, I
thought they were suggesting eating much less than we would normally
have and I
was surprised to discover that we actually were eating less overall.
However I
might need to alter the mix of protein, carb, fats a bit more.

Jean in S. australia.





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#101870 From: "Bea Pullar" <beapullar@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Willett beapullar

Along with the reviews of Willett's "Eat, Drink and Be Healthy" you
can read
chapter one.
http://tinyurl.com/yc62rx

Bea
>
> Dr. Willett's eating plan is further described in his
> book Eat, Drink and Be Healthy. Here's the Amazon link
> to the book: http://tinyurl.com/y6o6kn
>


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#101869 From: Carol Roberts <croberts@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: glipizide wayfarer92647

I figured out I have gastroparesis when bgs went up AFTER the two
hour
pp test - I had to test out to the 4th hour to catch the highest bg
rise
pp. Also, in the first 30 minutes after eating my bg will frequently
go
down. This makes using a "fast-acting" insulin a waste of time and
money for me - I do really well with Humulin R and really am hoping it
stays in the drugstore fridge.

CarolR

Sandy wrote:
> Hi Gretchen,
> Well, I don't think I have signs of gastroparesis - what are the
signs?
> ~Sandy


#101868 From: Kore <koresun@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:55 pm
Subject: Fur Corners/Jo koresun

> Fur Corners–a diet combined with pet therapy. You can get a cat
or dog to
eat allll the leftovers and snuggle when you feel blue.<

Hi Jo,

I can see you don't know my cat. She's studying to be the next
Morris. But the
snuggling, that she will do!

Hugs, Dianne




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#101867 From: "Jo" <letoile@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Calorie Restriction/Willett djaugh38

Its a diet combined with pet therapy. You can get a cat or dog to
eat allll
the leftovers and snuggle when you feel blue. lol

Jo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kore" <koresun@...>

> >If I were to choose one of the two (Four Corners or the Willett
book)
> >now, I'd
> choose Fur Corners. <
>
> Hi Alyne,
>
> I know it's a typo, but now I want to read "Fur Corners."
>
> Hugs, Dianne


#101866 From: Kore <koresun@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:28 pm
Subject: Calorie Restriction/Willett koresun

>If I were to choose one of the two (Four Corners or the Willett
book) now, I'd
choose Fur Corners. <

Hi Alyne,

I know it's a typo, but now I want to read "Fur Corners."

Hugs, Dianne



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#101865 From: Kore <koresun@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:26 pm
Subject: Continuous glucose monitor trial koresun

>Dexcom...sensors cost $35 each.<

If you change sensors every three days, I guess you would need ten
sensors a
month? Is that correct? Yikes! And I thought test strips were
expensive!!

Judging from what I'm experiencing with this thing, I would not want
to be
hooked up to the gizmo all the time. Too awkward and inconvenient,
with
swimming and tub baths out of the question and showers rendered a
chore. I love
my showers and don't want to be worrying about shorting out a machine
that
isn't waterproof. What I might do is wear it three days a week, or
every two
weeks, to get an idea what my bgs are doing at times when I can't
make sense of
finger pricks.

The supremely annoying aspect of my current monitor trial is that
just at a
time when I most want to see what's going on, which would be while I
sleep, I
keep getting a calibration error which cannot be resolved except by
turning it
off overnight. I tried turning it off for a few hours, but that
didn't work. I
can't get a coherent answer as to what is happening or why from their
customer
service reps because "it's a trial."

Hugs, Dianne




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#101864 From: Kore <koresun@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:14 pm
Subject: Continuous glucose monitor trial koresun

>Why don't you get one of those neck buttons that you press in case
of
emergency. You can also buy gizmos to put on the phone that do a
similar thing
if you don't want to wear a button.<

I'm not ready for a button but a phone gizmo sounds intriguing.

Speaking of buttons... A friend's mother fell down in a narrow space
beside her
bed and couldn't get out. She lay there for a day and a half before
my friend
found her. It turned out that Jackie had a very nasty doctor who was
treating
her for high blood pressure without checking to see if she really had
it. He
said assumed she did because at 83 she weighed the (tremendous)
weight of 145
lbs. He had her bp so low that she was seriously debilitated. She
died shortly
thereafter. Now Jackie really could have used one of those buttons.

>If solitude isn't important to you, you might investigate various
communal
living situations.<

Gack! I think I can find a way to minimize stress without
surrendering my
freedom.

LOL, Dianne



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#101863 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:05 am
Subject: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial vabbott1

Dianne, I know someone who has the Dexcom. Be aware - although it
is
recommended that the sensor patches be changed every 3 days, he
changes
them less often but with less accurate results on a basis that he
can't
seem to quantify (although he's an engineer and tries mightily). And
I
believe the sensors cost $35 each. So even though the meter is
affordable, the sensors make it expensive.

Also, as Amy pointed out on her blog, the alarm has a tendency to go
off
in error.

You might want to wait a little longer for the second or third
generation CGMS.
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kore" <koresun@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial


> Thanks for the info, Gretchen!
>
> I just finished a design project which should bring me a nice little
> windfall.
> I've decided to ask my endo for a Dex CGM of my own, but if she
can't
> or won't
> prescribe one for me, I will buy my own. With the kind of wacky
> readings I get,
> it's well worth $500 for more detailed info.
>
> Dianne
>
>
>
>
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#101862 From: Alyne A <alynehealth@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Dr. Willett alynehealth

Marsha:

Dr. Willett's eating plan is further described in his
book Eat, Drink and Be Healthy. Here's the Amazon link
to the book: http://tinyurl.com/y6o6kn

It was recommended to me by Cappie, who I believe also
adhered to it for her trenmendous (over 100 pounds)
weight loss. Very practical, wide variety of foods.
Cappied found she could not eat the grains and beans
and since they were so carby, based on her
experience, I never tried them. Since that time, the
Four Corners Diet has been published.It is very
similar except the Four Corners diet limits your carbs
to 50 a day, limits fruits to 1/2 c berries a day and
recommends eating a certain amount of "pharmafoods"
such as yogurt or kefir. They are both low carb/low
saturated fat with a wide variety of foods. Either
would be a good eating plan for life. I messed up by
eating too many calories for my size -- most of which
was saturated fat.



Alyne T2, Dx 8-03, D&E, Metformin and Byetta


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#101861 From: Alyne A <alynehealth@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:37 am
Subject: Re: Calorie Restriction/Willett alynehealth

The link the the Four Corners Diet at Amazon is:
http://tinyurl.com/ycxqsd

If I were to choose one of the two (Four Corners or
the Willett book) now, I'd choose Fur Corners. It is
lower carb and has a section at the end of every
chapter, written by Gretchen Becker, specifically for diabetics.

Alyne T2, Dx 8-03, D&E, Metformin and Byetta


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#101860 From: Marsha Graham <mcg907@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:42 am
Subject: Re: Re: Calorie Restriction mcg907

Vicki,

I'm lucky I knew there was a 2006 U.S. election. :) Thanks for
explaining
who. Not that I have the time to read it now, but does he have an
actual
"eating plan" or was he just the one who formulated a different food
pyramid?

Marsha

whimsy2 <whimsy2@...> wrote: Wow, Marsha, you must've really had your
head
buried in law books!





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#101859 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:32 am
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about glucose
monitoring, anyway... vabbott1

Great post, Kathie...and I've wondered about that for a long, long
time.

Yes, if insurance companies would pay for a reasonable amount of
strips,
more people could have good BG control. But before that, they'd need
to
be motivated to test more often. That means DOCTORS would need to be
educated differently than they are today.

From what I've read on diabetes lists over my 9 years with diabetes,
it
seems that the vast majority of doctors tell their patients to test
twice a day. and apparently never mentioned is the actual PURPOSE of
frequent testing - which is to make appropriate adjustments to
medications and diet.

We here know that diabetes is best managed by the diabetic. But that
means an EDUCATED diabetic - in all kinds of important ways. And how
many diabetics
are motivated to do this??

Ah, human nature.
Most people just want to take a pill and forget about it. Don't make
major lifestyle changes. Do what the doctor says, never question
him/her.

And get diabetic neuropathy, gastroparesis, kidney failure,
amputations,
heart disease down the road.

Alas.
Vicki


----- Original Message -----
From: "stargazer2732" <stargazer2732@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject:Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about
glucose monitoring, anyway...


"gretchen becker"
<gretchen@...> wrote:
>

>...I think 12 times a day is a bit excessive. If I were him, I'd
stop using the continuous monitor.
>
> Gretchen
>
<><><>

Hey Gretchen,

Doesn't Vicki test ten times a day?

How many times a day you test, though, seems to be a matter of
opinion, or, much like the control that each of us attains and the
manner in which each of us does so, it's quite individual. I mean,
if testing 12 times a day makes him feel confident and secure,
because he knows that he's got a grip on things and he knows what's
going on, then fine. If he can afford it, or he's got the coverage
and it's covering 12 tests a day, more power to him, I say.

The "classes" that I attended back in September/October were for
type ones, and were taught by a type one. She was cool. She was
diagnosed 44 years ago. Wow. She uses a pump and is quite happy with
it.

Anyway, one of the things she said was "Know Your Insulin"--know
how it works, what it does, etc etc. Now, it seems to me that the
only way you'll know what your insulin is doing is to test often.

I've learned, over the past 26 years, that I know more the more I
test. Jeez, when I was first diagnosed, there was no such thing as
blood glucose monitoring devices. I would visit an outpatient clinic
once every few months and they'd draw blood before we ate or took
our insulin, they'd feed us breakfast after we'd taken our insulins,
and then we'd talk and learn for a couple of hours, and then they'd
draw more blood and send it to the lab.

Seems like the dark ages, now. Whole lotta good that data did you
HOURS after the fact, eh? Then again, you only found out what those
itty bitty TWO bits of info were if you contacted the clinic or made
an appointment with your doctor to discuss the results. But back in
those days, you sorta followed the doctor's instructions, followed
the dietician's instructions, and that was that. So long as the lab
results looked reasonable, you were left alone (i.e., the doctor
didn't make you come in to get all re-adjusted, etc).

I was diabetic for six years before I had the opportunity to buy
a machine myself (before that chance, the out-patient clinic had
come by one of those neat little machines and so we were tested with
those things and saw the results immediately [after a 45-second
count-down] when we visited the clinic once every few months to get
two readings. Hm. Two readings every four months...). My parents and
I scared up three hundred dollars for the machine (ACK!). My family
never had any money to speak of, so that was a real king's ransom,
lemme tellya.

Throughout university I had to pay for the test strips myself, so
I'd test twice a day: once before my morning injection and once
before my evening injection, just so I'd have some idea how I was
doing. After university I still had to pay for them myself. I've
always had to pay for them myself, along with the insulin and the
syringes. Everything. So I tested my blood only two or three times a
day because I still made only enough money to get by, so, because I
was young and healthy and fit, didn't see a need to test more
frequently.

Then I hooked up with my current significant other (good lord,
eleven and a half years ago), and only when my hubby got too sick to
work and he ended up on "disability pension" did anyone else besides
me or him start to pay for anything.

And it was then that my doctor wrote a note that told the
pharmacist that I had to check my blood sugar ten times a day, so I
was provided with three hundred strips a month. COOL. Rarely did I
use ten a day (more like five, six, seven), but I figured that there
would come a day when he wouldn't be on disability pension anymore
and we'd have to start buying them again, so if I could "stockpile"
them, we could avoid buying them for as long as possible.

Then, of course, I changed insulins and it got to be a good idea
to see just how this new stuff worked. Since it was covered, I could
check my blood sugar up to ten times a day and not have to worry
about paying for it.

But this brings up a very very important point.

Just why don't insurance companies cover more tests per day,
anyway? I mean, if they're thinking about cost-effectiveness, then
it seems to me that short-term pain (for them and their pocketbooks)
ensures long-term gain by preventing complications. Healthy
diabetics cost them very little in the way of medical expenses if
they just bite that coverage bullet and allow the diabetics to know
what's going on by testing more frequently so they can control
themselves well--which goes back to that OTHER discussion about
motivation.

And round and round we go.

So, Gretchen, allow me to modify that first sentence:

How many times a day you test, though, seems to be as much a
matter of opinion as it does a matter of how many times you can
afford to or are allowed to--given your coverage.

Seems that the insurance companies KNOW that diabetics are on the
road to health care HELL, so there's no point in covering more test
strips to ensure good control, right?

What?

sheesh.

~That~ is what needs to change.

Incidentally, my hubby is super-paranoid so is always nagging at
me to check my blood. Always. I cry at a kleenex commercial and he
says "CHECK YOUR BLOOD!"

We went to a movie years ago and I was crying at the sad parts
towards the end. He kept elbowing me and making me take a sip of his
drink. I tried to explain to him that it was the MOVIE that was
making me cry, but he would have none of it.

When we got home, my blood sugar was 17 or something. Jeez. (300
for you Americans)

What?

sheesh.

~That~ is what needs to change.

haha

I've really gone on, and I apologize for that. If you've stayed
tuned in, thanks for that. Hope it was worth it.

Kathie

-T-1 since October 1980 (NPH and Regular)
-now on Lantus and NovoRapid (since August 2006)
-last A1c = 5.9

PS: Just like the pump, a monitoring system like that creeps me out.
Everyone talks about these "revolutionary new systems" but they
won't be "revolutionary" until you don't need to break the skin
anymore. Show me laser that can shine on my finger and read the
blood inside and THAT will be revolutionary, as far as I'm concerned.



#101858 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: LISTOWNER website vabbott1

O well, I might as well post it right to the list. Rick won't mind.

This is how to join:

Email the command address

LISTSERV@...

with the following in the body of the message:

SUBSCRIBE DSM-L your First Name your Last Name

BTW, DSM stands for "diabetes self management."
.
Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "warmtropbreeze42" <warmtropbreeze42@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: LISTOWNER website

"agewise4u" <agewise4u@...> wrote:
>
> Hello.
> I think Vicki offered me a web site to join a list led by a retired
> engeneer, who is helping people to get a grip on bg control.
> If you are reading this post, please, contact me once more.
> I messed up.
> Thank you.
>

Hi there...if you get the web site ...please email it to me...


Thanks,Gwen



#101857 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:16 am
Subject: Re: Interesting blog vabbott1

Ah yes - the [very excellent] writer to rails publicly, in writing,
against the ADA and their carb-heavy diet recommendations for
diabetics.. She deserves a larger public exposure!
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "Midlash" <arnora@...>

Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:52 AM
Subject: Interesting blog


>I wish to recommend this site:
>
> http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/
>
> It is written by Regina Wilshire and reinterprets various studies
and
> diet
> recommendations.
>
> Long but a very interesting read.
>
> Nora
>
>


#101856 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:17 am
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about glucose
monitoring, anyway... vabbott1

Yes, yes and yes, smile.
Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>

Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about
glucose monitoring, anyway...


>> Doesn't Vicki test ten times a day?
>
> Yes, but she's not using a continuous monitor. It was calibrating
the
> monitor 12 times a day that seemed excessive to me.
>
> Gretchen
>
>



#101855 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:15 am
Subject: Re: Re: Calorie Restriction vabbott1

Wow, Marsha, you must've really had your head buried in law books!

He's the one who precipitated the recent "official" revision of the
food
pyramid - the one without grains at the bottom. He wrote a very well
received book about diet within the last 5 years. I believe he teaches
at Harvard.
Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Graham" <mcg907@...>

Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Calorie Restriction


> Alyne,
>
> What's Dr. Willet's diet?
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
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>
>



#101854 From: Marsha Graham <mcg907@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:49 am
Subject: Re: Re: Calorie Restriction mcg907

Alyne,

What's Dr. Willet's diet?

Marsha




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#101853 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:52 am
Subject: Interesting blog arnora@...

I wish to recommend this site:

http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/

It is written by Regina Wilshire and reinterprets various studies and
diet
recommendations.

Long but a very interesting read.

Nora



#101852 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:06 am
Subject: Re: Re: glipizide gretchen4c

> Well, I don't think I have signs of gastroparesis - what are the
signs?

Feeling full after small meals. Unexplained low BG and high BG
readings if
you're taking insulin or sulfs. There are more, but I"m not an
expert. You
might google the term.

Gretchen



#101851 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:49 am
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about glucose
monitoring, anyway... gretchen4c

> Doesn't Vicki test ten times a day?

Yes, but she's not using a continuous monitor. It was calibrating the
monitor 12 times a day that seemed excessive to me.

Gretchen


#101850 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:45 am
Subject: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial gretchen4c

> Since I live alone (and the other tenants are transient college
kids),
> I've
> been nervous about going for as tight a level of control I want.
No one
> who
> could get to me in an emergency in under half an hour, if I were
able to
> summon
> help. If I weren't, it could be days before anyone even knew I was
in
> trouble...

If you're concerned about this, it's apt to raise your stress levels.
Why
don't you get one of those neck buttons that you press in case of
emergency.
I know that we usually associate them with elderly people and you're
not
elderly, but in this situation it might make sense. You can also buy
gizmos
to put on the phone that do a similar thing if you don't want to wear
a
button.

I sometimes walk in the woods by myself, and no one even knows I'm out
there. I don't have a cell phone. If I had a heart attack it would
take
weeks before anyone noticed my truck parked by the side of the road.
But I'm
willing to take that chance in exchange for the solitude.

If solitude isn't important to you, you might investigate various
communal
living situations.

Gretchen



#101849 From: "Sandy" <skemp4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:43 am
Subject: Re: glipizide foxysmom19

Sue,
Actually I have some Starlix here. I think I tried it one time and
it either
caused stomach pains or a headache (which are my two side effects I
seem to get)
- not much of a trial. So, on that note, I'll give this another try
the next
time I want to splurge - or maybe sooner if my sugars don't
straighten up soon!
Thanks for the reminder . . . . .

~Sandy K.
-----------------------------------------
<<Glipizide is more like a basal insulin, but Prandin works more like
a
basal. It does its work and then stops, whereas glipizide has a
continuous
action. Of course Prandin is much more expensive, but if you
have good insurance, it might be worth a change.

Sue>>


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#101848 From: "Sandy" <skemp4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:34 am
Subject: Re: glipizide foxysmom19

Hi Barb,

Actually, you were great help - thank you! This is what I wanted to
know as I
couldn't figure out why it said to take it just before meals if it
was peaking 4
hours later. Perhaps I only need 1/4 pill but alas, you are right
about it not
being very precise. I'm sure if I used it consistently, I'd
eventually figure
things out better! On a good note, most of the time, it has worked
extremely
well and allowed me to splurge now and then which is nice.

~Sandy K.
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<<<Wish I could be of more help, but Glip is not precise like
insulin - it
is a crap shoot.

Barb in NH>>>


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#101847 From: "Sandy" <skemp4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:37 am
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Hi Gretchen,
Well, I don't think I have signs of gastroparesis - what are the
signs?
~Sandy
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<<<Do you have any signs of gastroparesis?

Gretchen >>>


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#101846 From: "Sandy" <skemp4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:36 am
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Hi Warmtropbreeze42 - lol - thanks for the comfort - I think that
is all I
really wanted - we all need it now and then!
~Sandy K.
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warmtropbreeze42
Hi Sandy...I take glipizide but I haven't had an problems to my
knowledge. But,
I did want to write and say hang in and don't feel lonely ...you can
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#101845 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:54 am
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about glucose
monitoring, anyway... arnora@...

I believe that there are several that are in the works right now.
Maybe one
will prove to be practical and make it to the market?

Nora

At 11:07 PM 11/11/06 -0800, you wrote:

>HI Gretchen, I a new to the group...but I was reading what you
>said...wouldn't be great to have system that could read the blood
thru the
>sking...Just great. Gwendolyn
>
>stargazer2732 <<mailto:stargazer2732%40yahoo.com>stargazer2732@...>
>wrote: --- In

>"gretchen becker"
><gretchen@...> wrote:
> >
>
> >...I think 12 times a day is a bit excessive. If I were him, I'd
>stop using the continuous monitor.
> >
> > Gretchen
> >

#101844 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:50 am
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about glucose
monitoring, anyway... arnora@...

Kathie,
I don't think that Gretchen was objecting to testing 12 times a day.
She
was objecting to having a continuous monitor on AND testing 12 times
a day.
That's why her comment was that he should stop using the continuous
monitor.

You have quite a story there! There are others on the list who have
had DM
for a very long time, including one who celebrated 50 years this last
summer. Things were much different then (as with my grandmother in the
'50s) and today's progress is astounding. What is even more
astounding is
that there has not been yet MORE progress in view of the speed at
which
technology and medical research have been advancing.

BTW, I test 6 to 8 times each day and truly don't know how anyone
using
insulin in MDI (multiple daily injections) can do otherwise.

Nora

At 05:21 AM 11/12/06 +0000, you wrote:

>"gretchen becker" <gretchen@...> wrote:
> >
>
> >...I think 12 times a day is a bit excessive. If I were him, I'd
>stop using the continuous monitor.
> >
> > Gretchen
> >
><><><>
>
>Hey Gretchen,
>
>Doesn't Vicki test ten times a day?
>
>How many times a day you test, though, seems to be a matter of
>opinion, or, much like the control that each of us attains and the
>manner in which each of us does so, it's quite individual. I mean,
>if testing 12 times a day makes him feel confident and secure,
>because he knows that he's got a grip on things and he knows what's
>going on, then fine. If he can afford it, or he's got the coverage
>and it's covering 12 tests a day, more power to him, I say.
>
>The "classes" that I attended back in September/October were for
>type ones, and were taught by a type one. She was cool. She was
>diagnosed 44 years ago. Wow. She uses a pump and is quite happy with
>it.
>
>Anyway, one of the things she said was "Know Your Insulin"--know
>how it works, what it does, etc etc. Now, it seems to me that the
>only way you'll know what your insulin is doing is to test often.
>
>I've learned, over the past 26 years, that I know more the more I
>test. Jeez, when I was first diagnosed, there was no such thing as
>blood glucose monitoring devices. I would visit an outpatient clinic
>once every few months and they'd draw blood before we ate or took
>our insulin, they'd feed us breakfast after we'd taken our insulins,
>and then we'd talk and learn for a couple of hours, and then they'd
>draw more blood and send it to the lab.
>
>Seems like the dark ages, now. Whole lotta good that data did you
>HOURS after the fact, eh? Then again, you only found out what those
>itty bitty TWO bits of info were if you contacted the clinic or made
>an appointment with your doctor to discuss the results. But back in
>those days, you sorta followed the doctor's instructions, followed
>the dietician's instructions, and that was that. So long as the lab
>results looked reasonable, you were left alone (i.e., the doctor
>didn't make you come in to get all re-adjusted, etc).
>
>I was diabetic for six years before I had the opportunity to buy
>a machine myself (before that chance, the out-patient clinic had
>come by one of those neat little machines and so we were tested with
>those things and saw the results immediately [after a 45-second
>count-down] when we visited the clinic once every few months to get
>two readings. Hm. Two readings every four months...). My parents and
>I scared up three hundred dollars for the machine (ACK!). My family
>never had any money to speak of, so that was a real king's ransom,
>lemme tellya.
>
>Throughout university I had to pay for the test strips myself, so
>I'd test twice a day: once before my morning injection and once
>before my evening injection, just so I'd have some idea how I was
>doing. After university I still had to pay for them myself. I've
>always had to pay for them myself, along with the insulin and the
>syringes. Everything. So I tested my blood only two or three times a
>day because I still made only enough money to get by, so, because I
>was young and healthy and fit, didn't see a need to test more
>frequently.
>
>Then I hooked up with my current significant other (good lord,
>eleven and a half years ago), and only when my hubby got too sick to
>work and he ended up on "disability pension" did anyone else besides
>me or him start to pay for anything.
>
>And it was then that my doctor wrote a note that told the
>pharmacist that I had to check my blood sugar ten times a day, so I
>was provided with three hundred strips a month. COOL. Rarely did I
>use ten a day (more like five, six, seven), but I figured that there
>would come a day when he wouldn't be on disability pension anymore
>and we'd have to start buying them again, so if I could "stockpile"
>them, we could avoid buying them for as long as possible.
>
>Then, of course, I changed insulins and it got to be a good idea
>to see just how this new stuff worked. Since it was covered, I could
>check my blood sugar up to ten times a day and not have to worry
>about paying for it.
>
>But this brings up a very very important point.
>
>Just why don't insurance companies cover more tests per day,
>anyway? I mean, if they're thinking about cost-effectiveness, then
>it seems to me that short-term pain (for them and their pocketbooks)
>ensures long-term gain by preventing complications. Healthy
>diabetics cost them very little in the way of medical expenses if
>they just bite that coverage bullet and allow the diabetics to know
>what's going on by testing more frequently so they can control
>themselves well--which goes back to that OTHER discussion about
>motivation.
>
>And round and round we go.
>
>So, Gretchen, allow me to modify that first sentence:
>
>How many times a day you test, though, seems to be as much a
>matter of opinion as it does a matter of how many times you can
>afford to or are allowed to--given your coverage.
>
>Seems that the insurance companies KNOW that diabetics are on the
>road to health care HELL, so there's no point in covering more test
>strips to ensure good control, right?
>
>What?
>
>sheesh.
>
>~That~ is what needs to change.
>
>Incidentally, my hubby is super-paranoid so is always nagging at
>me to check my blood. Always. I cry at a kleenex commercial and he
>says "CHECK YOUR BLOOD!"
>
>We went to a movie years ago and I was crying at the sad parts
>towards the end. He kept elbowing me and making me take a sip of his
>drink. I tried to explain to him that it was the MOVIE that was
>making me cry, but he would have none of it.
>
>When we got home, my blood sugar was 17 or something. Jeez. (300
>for you Americans)
>
>What?
>
>sheesh.
>
>~That~ is what needs to change.
>
>haha
>
>I've really gone on, and I apologize for that. If you've stayed
>tuned in, thanks for that. Hope it was worth it.
>
>Kathie
>
>-T-1 since October 1980 (NPH and Regular)
>-now on Lantus and NovoRapid (since August 2006)
>-last A1c = 5.9
>
>PS: Just like the pump, a monitoring system like that creeps me out.
>Everyone talks about these "revolutionary new systems" but they
>won't be "revolutionary" until you don't need to break the skin
>anymore. Show me laser that can shine on my finger and read the
>blood inside and THAT will be revolutionary, as far as I'm
concerned.


#101843 From: gwendolyn greer <warmtropbreeze42@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: Continuous glucose monitor trial / about glucose
monitoring, anyway... warmtropbree...

HI Gretchen, I a new to the group...but I was reading what you
said...wouldn't
be great to have system that could read the blood thru the
sking...Just great.
Gwendolyn

stargazer2732 <stargazer2732@...> wrote: --- In
"gretchen becker"
<gretchen@...> wrote:
>

>...I think 12 times a day is a bit excessive. If I were him, I'd
stop using the continuous monitor.
>
> Gretchen
>
<><><>

Hey Gretchen,

Doesn't Vicki test ten times a day?

How many times a day you test, though, seems to be a matter of
opinion, or, much like the control that each of us attains and the
manner in which each of us does so, it's quite individual. I mean,
if testing 12 times a day makes him feel confident and secure,
because he knows that he's got a grip on things and he knows what's
going on, then fine. If he can afford it, or he's got the coverage
and it's covering 12 tests a day, more power to him, I say.

The "classes" that I attended back in September/October were for
type ones, and were taught by a type one. She was cool. She was
diagnosed 44 years ago. Wow. She uses a pump and is quite happy with
it.

Anyway, one of the things she said was "Know Your Insulin"--know
how it works, what it does, etc etc. Now, it seems to me that the
only way you'll know what your insulin is doing is to test often.

I've learned, over the past 26 years, that I know more the more I
test. Jeez, when I was first diagnosed, there was no such thing as
blood glucose monitoring devices. I would visit an outpatient clinic
once every few months and they'd draw blood before we ate or took
our insulin, they'd feed us breakfast after we'd taken our insulins,
and then we'd talk and learn for a couple of hours, and then they'd
draw more blood and send it to the lab.

Seems like the dark ages, now. Whole lotta good that data did you
HOURS after the fact, eh? Then again, you only found out what those
itty bitty TWO bits of info were if you contacted the clinic or made
an appointment with your doctor to discuss the results. But back in
those days, you sorta followed the doctor's instructions, followed
the dietician's instructions, and that was that. So long as the lab
results looked reasonable, you were left alone (i.e., the doctor
didn't make you come in to get all re-adjusted, etc).

I was diabetic for six years before I had the opportunity to buy
a machine myself (before that chance, the out-patient clinic had
come by one of those neat little machines and so we were tested with
those things and saw the results immediately [after a 45-second
count-down] when we visited the clinic once every few months to get
two readings. Hm. Two readings every four months...). My parents and
I scared up three hundred dollars for the machine (ACK!). My family
never had any money to speak of, so that was a real king's ransom,
lemme tellya.

Throughout university I had to pay for the test strips myself, so
I'd test twice a day: once before my morning injection and once
before my evening injection, just so I'd have some idea how I was
doing. After university I still had to pay for them myself. I've
always had to pay for them myself, along with the insulin and the
syringes. Everything. So I tested my blood only two or three times a
day because I still made only enough money to get by, so, because I
was young and healthy and fit, didn't see a need to test more
frequently.

Then I hooked up with my current significant other (good lord,
eleven and a half years ago), and only when my hubby got too sick to
work and he ended up on "disability pension" did anyone else besides
me or him start to pay for anything.

And it was then that my doctor wrote a note that told the
pharmacist that I had to check my blood sugar ten times a day, so I
was provided with three hundred strips a month. COOL. Rarely did I
use ten a day (more like five, six, seven), but I figured that there
would come a day when he wouldn't be on disability pension anymore
and we'd have to start buying them again, so if I could "stockpile"
them, we could avoid buying them for as long as possible.

Then, of course, I changed insulins and it got to be a good idea
to see just how this new stuff worked. Since it was covered, I could
check my blood sugar up to ten times a day and not have to worry
about paying for it.

But this brings up a very very important point.

Just why don't insurance companies cover more tests per day,
anyway? I mean, if they're thinking about cost-effectiveness, then
it seems to me that short-term pain (for them and their pocketbooks)
ensures long-term gain by preventing complications. Healthy
diabetics cost them very little in the way of medical expenses if
they just bite that coverage bullet and allow the diabetics to know
what's going on by testing more frequently so they can control
themselves well--which goes back to that OTHER discussion about
motivation.

And round and round we go.

So, Gretchen, allow me to modify that first sentence:

How many times a day you test, though, seems to be as much a
matter of opinion as it does a matter of how many times you can
afford to or are allowed to--given your coverage.

Seems that the insurance companies KNOW that diabetics are on the
road to health care HELL, so there's no point in covering more test
strips to ensure good control, right?

What?

sheesh.

~That~ is what needs to change.

Incidentally, my hubby is super-paranoid so is always nagging at
me to check my blood. Always. I cry at a kleenex commercial and he
says "CHECK YOUR BLOOD!"

We went to a movie years ago and I was crying at the sad parts
towards the end. He kept elbowing me and making me take a sip of his
drink. I tried to explain to him that it was the MOVIE that was
making me cry, but he would have none of it.

When we got home, my blood sugar was 17 or something. Jeez. (300
for you Americans)

What?

sheesh.

~That~ is what needs to change.

haha

I've really gone on, and I apologize for that. If you've stayed
tuned in, thanks for that. Hope it was worth it.

Kathie

-T-1 since October 1980 (NPH and Regular)
-now on Lantus and NovoRapid (since August 2006)
-last A1c = 5.9

PS: Just like the pump, a monitoring system like that creeps me out.
Everyone talks about these "revolutionary new systems" but they
won't be "revolutionary" until you don't need to break the skin
anymore. Show me laser that can shine on my finger and read the
blood inside and THAT will be revolutionary, as far as I'm concerned.