From: cappie@...
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:37 am
Subject: Re: sweet potato cappiewebtv

>If I'm going to eat 31 grams of carbs, it's not gonna be a sweet
potato
and I don't care where on the glycemic index it is.
sky


You better believe it! almost 32 grams of carbs for ONE ITEM IN A
MEAL?????

That is often more than a whole meal's worth of carbs for many of us &
more than a day's worth for some of us.

Sounds like someone swallowed the ADA.

cappie


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#101783 From: paula42662@...
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:20 am
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato missinewe

Hmmm...wonder how many units of 75/25 it would take to cover
that???
Probably tasted awful, too...

Hugs,
Paula

In a message dated 11/10/2006 6:47:36 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
cappie@... writes:.

Sounds like someone swallowed the ADA.

cappie








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#101784 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:37 am
Subject: Re: Magazine gretchen4c

> One thing I know is that we all have our own ideas about what is
too many
> carbs what is low carb etc. The quantity one eats is also
important.

This is true. We all have to find out what we can eat. The sad thing
is that
the majority of people with diabetes don't understand this and don't
test
after meals. So when they get a cookbook published by
some "authority" that
includes lots of "yummy desserts," they assume it's OK to eat a lot
of them.
Many of the recipes contain more carbs in one dessert serving (and
that
assumes you use the small serving sizes listed) than many people are
allowed
for the whole meal.

> I have worked out more or less what I can eat and what I like but
now I am
> faced with the knowledge it isn't necessary helpful for my husband
who
> doesn't have elevated blood sugar levels or cholesterol problems but
> doesn't seem to be able to lose his "belly" and bloats easily, he
actually
> eats less than I do.

A belly is a sign of insulin resistance, and people with IR, even with
normal BG levels, are at increased risk of heart disease, so your
diet would
be good for him too.

Gretchen



#101785 From: Sky <skydancer9@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:34 am
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato skydancer_2k

At 07:20 AM 11/10/2006, paula42662@... wrote:
>
>Hmmm...wonder how many units of 75/25 it would take to cover that???
>Probably tasted awful, too...

How could you adjust a mixed insulin, anyway? I use Humalog for carbs
at meals and Levemir as my basal insulin. I wouldn't want to increase
my basal just to cover a carby meal. That would surely mess things up
big-time. I don't think a person can gain good BG control with a
mixed insulin unless they "eat to the insulin" and then that would
mean eating almost the same thing and always eating at the same time.
Not for me. I like more freedom than that.

-=sky=-

Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. Last A1c: 5.2
LowCarb, Metaformin XR, Humalog, Levemir
SkyDancer's Art:
http://www.skydancers.com/main/2006.html



#101786 From: paula42662@...
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato missinewe

Hi Sky,

Well, crap. I was trying to be funny. The 75/25 comment I made was
meant to
be a bash on the popular ADA diet and 75/25 insulin recommendations
given to
lots of diabetics. I figured if they were 'swallowing the ADA'
thing, they'd
be told to use 75/25 to cover it, too.

I completely agree with your opinion regarding 75/25 insulin.

I think I should postpone attempts at humor until at least my 2nd
cup of
coffee.

*sigh*

~Paula

In a message dated 11/10/2006 8:56:09 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
skydancer9@... writes:

At 07:20 AM 11/10/2006, paula42662@... wrote:
>
>Hmmm...wonder how many units of 75/25 it would take to cover
that???
>Probably tasted awful, too...

How could you adjust a mixed insulin, anyway? I use Humalog for carbs
at meals and Levemir as my basal insulin. I wouldn't want to increase
my basal just to cover a carby meal. That would surely mess things up
big-time. I don't think a person can gain good BG control with a
mixed insulin unless they "eat to the insulin" and then that would
mean eating almost the same thing and always eating at the same time.
Not for me. I like more freedom than that.

-=sky=-

Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. Last A1c: 5.2
LowCarb, Metaformin XR, Humalog, Levemir
SkyDancer's Art:
http://www.skydancers.com/main/2006.html











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#101787 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:41 am
Subject: Semantics gretchen4c

There was an interesting letter to the editor in Tuesday's Times
about
diets. Last week they'd run a story showing how limiting calories
greatly
increase the health of monkeys. The "calorie limited" monkeys looked
almost
like young monkeys and the "normal diet" monkeys, who ate twice as
much,
looked very old and also had arthritis and diabetes.

The letter writer suggested that the "calorie limited" diet is really
normal
from an evolutionary point of view. For most of human history, getting
enough to eat has been the major challenge. He suggested changing the
terminology to "normal" diet and "excess calorie" diet.

This is a good idea, and it's also good psychologically. We all want
to be
normal. With this terminology, we who are restricting our food intake
are
normal. The rest of the people are pigging out.

Gretchen


#101788 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:15 am
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato vabbott1

I totally agree. Getting good control by using a mixed insulin is
rarely -- if ever -- accomplished. This kind of insulin is's
basically
for people who have don't care (or even know) about good BG control
and
doctors who don't understand how to use insulin properly.

If there's anyone out there who uses a mixed insulin and has had A1Cs
under 7, I'd sure like to meet them.
Vicki


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sky" <skydancer9@...>

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato


> At 07:20 AM 11/10/2006, paula42662@... wrote:
>>
>>Hmmm...wonder how many units of 75/25 it would take to cover
that???
>>Probably tasted awful, too...
>
> How could you adjust a mixed insulin, anyway? I use Humalog for
carbs
> at meals and Levemir as my basal insulin. I wouldn't want to
increase
> my basal just to cover a carby meal. That would surely mess things
up
> big-time. I don't think a person can gain good BG control with a
> mixed insulin unless they "eat to the insulin" and then that would
> mean eating almost the same thing and always eating at the same
time.
> Not for me. I like more freedom than that.
>
> -=sky=-
>
> Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. Last A1c: 5.2
> LowCarb, Metaformin XR, Humalog, Levemir
> SkyDancer's Art:
> http://www.skydancers.com/main/2006.html
>
>
>
>


#101789 From: cappie@...
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:30 am
Subject: Re: How does the ADA taste? cappiewebtv

Paula: hehehe I think it actually tastes extra SWEET!

cappie


#101790 From: Candise Warren <tomncandy@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:47 am
Subject: Re: Introduction - Hi candy_rose_35

Rosemary,

I went to the Dr. yesterday, and my BP was high for the first
time in my
life, but her and I both feel it is because of my high BG. We both
expect it to
go down once I get my BG down. BTW, she is actually the PA at my Dr.
office, and
I would much rather see her than the Dr. She is great.

Candise

...Never drive faster than your guardian Angel can fly....



----- Original Message ----
From: gwmsje <gwmsje@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 1:39:40 PM
Subject: Introduction - Hi

Hi, I am new. After my last annual checkup in late
August I found out my blood sugar fell into the
diabetic range for the first time. In a letter I was
told to go on a "lo carb" diet and come back in a
month or two.

So far I haven't gone back but I will. The first few
weeks I did nothing to change and in fact ate worse.
This wasn't my first medical issue of the year (others
nondiabetic related [I guess?]) and I had thrown up
my hands.

After though I did get serious, cut down on carbs and
did a lot of reading. Confusing as I found out there
are so many opinions, but interesting. I have settled
on the 40 carb, 30 pro, 30 fat (Joslin) formula for
now, trying to stay in that range.......

I did get a monitor, but don't have insurance so I
have been doing a modest amount of varying tests in
a week. My FBG has gone down, and I see a walk
does a lot of good to get numbers down.

One side benefit of watching what I have been eating
is that I noticed I am getting too much sodium per
day. I have blood pressure that is too high most times
with meds and I am hoping these numbers will go
down too.

What I have read here has been very informative and
has helped me stay motivated which I need! I have
tried to change my way of eating so many times for
weight loss and it has never stuck for the long haul.

Thanks!
Rosemary, US




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#101791 From: "Bad Fairie" <badfairie@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:11 am
Subject: RE: Re: sweet potato bad_fairie

Paula,

don't stop being funny - some folks don't see while that everyone
has serious issues, relieving stress by using humor is healing,
it's just not their fault they have to be told first that
something is funny - after all, the internet doesn't come
with a laugh-track like the TV does......

beth

> -----Original Message-----

> [com]On Behalf Of paula42662@...
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:08 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato
>
>
>
> Hi Sky,
>
> Well, crap. I was trying to be funny. The 75/25 comment I made
> was meant to
> be a bash on the popular ADA diet and 75/25 insulin
> recommendations given to
> lots of diabetics. I figured if they were 'swallowing the ADA'
> thing, they'd
> be told to use 75/25 to cover it, too.
>
> I completely agree with your opinion regarding 75/25 insulin.
>
> I think I should postpone attempts at humor until at least my 2nd
cup of
> coffee.
>
> *sigh*
>
> ~Paula
>


#101792 From: Sky <skydancer9@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:38 am
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato skydancer_2k

At 09:07 AM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
>
>Hi Sky,
>
>Well, crap. I was trying to be funny.

Oh well, sorry! Sometimes it's hard to know. 8-/ Dry wit seldom
carries over into text (I speak from experience).


- sky -

Be nice to your kids because
they'll choose your nursing home.
www.skydancers.com/main/2006.html



#101793 From: IL Jewel <iljewel@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:41 am
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato iljewel

Hmmm I used 70/30 then switched to 75/25 have never
used a "basal" but I'm type 2 not type 1.
Kay

--- Sky <skydancer9@...> wrote:

> At 07:20 AM 11/10/2006, paula42662@... wrote:
> >
> >Hmmm...wonder how many units of 75/25 it would take
> to cover that???
> >Probably tasted awful, too...
>
> How could you adjust a mixed insulin, anyway? I use
> Humalog for carbs
> at meals and Levemir as my basal insulin. I wouldn't
> want to increase
> my basal just to cover a carby meal. That would
> surely mess things up
> big-time. I don't think a person can gain good BG
> control with a
> mixed insulin unless they "eat to the insulin" and
> then that would
> mean eating almost the same thing and always eating
> at the same time.
> Not for me. I like more freedom than that.
>
> -=sky=-
>
> Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. Last A1c: 5.2
> LowCarb, Metaformin XR, Humalog, Levemir
> SkyDancer's Art:
> http://www.skydancers.com/main/2006.html
>
>
>
>




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#101794 From: IL Jewel <iljewel@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:47 am
Subject: Re: New to Insulin with questions iljewel

I do know the sliding scale for 75/25 if that would
be of any help to you

--- Valerie Taylor <artisticgroomer@...> wrote:

> Hi I am pretty new here and wanted to ask a question
> about my Insulin. I
> was just started on it about 2.5 weeks ago from a
> new doctor. My old one
> had me on two oral meds that literally were doing
> nothing. My A1c was
> 13.8 and I was having readings over 500 on a regular
> basis anytime i ate
> anything even plain baked chicken. OK New doctor
> started me on Humalog
> 75/25 at 20U am and 15U PM. FIrst week I saw this
> was NOT going to be
> enough. I called the office and was told I must wait
> a month for them to
> re-evaluate my dosage. I am not a patient person. I
> have neuropathy
> already in my left hand with coming and going in my
> right and feet. I do
> not want to wait to get these numbers down another
> month. I have been
> adjusting my own dose up since deciding this. Any
> idea where I should be
> with numbers that high on Atkins like dieting? I am
> also a full time dog
> groomer so I get quite a bit of exercise at work and
> try to walk every
> day at least 20-30 minutes after work.
>
> --
> Valerie Taylor Artistic
> Grooming- Hurricane WV
> My Ebay Jewelry Store
> (Closing after Xmas!!!)
>
> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations
>
> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
>
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/
>
>




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#101795 From: Helen Mueller <jlnhjm@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:53 am
Subject: Re: Magazine joenayares

I just looked up sprue too, it seems to be a subset of celiac. I am
going to be tested next week for the condition, my colonoscopy showed
an
abnormality. As it happens I also have anemia and now borderline
osteopenia; however that may have to do with the hypoparathyroidism.

My diet is moderate carb, but I do eat low carb pitas, tortillas and
Dreamfield's pasta, so there is gluten in my diet from those, and
maybe
from some of the canned soups I use as bases for whole meal soups.

Never ending.

Helen


#101796 From: "cappiewebtv" <cappie@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: sweet potato cappiewebtv

"Bad Fairie" <badfairie@...> wrote:
>
> Paula,
>
> don't stop being funny - some folks don't see while that everyone
> has serious issues, relieving stress by using humor is healing,
> it's just not their fault they have to be told first that
> something is funny - after all, the internet doesn't come
> with a laugh-track like the TV does......
>
> beth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > On Behalf Of paula42662@...
> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:08 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Sky,
> >
> > Well, crap. I was trying to be funny. The 75/25 comment I made
> > was meant to
> > be a bash on the popular ADA diet and 75/25 insulin
> > recommendations given to
> > lots of diabetics. I figured if they were 'swallowing the ADA'
> > thing, they'd
> > be told to use 75/25 to cover it, too.
> >
> > I completely agree with your opinion regarding 75/25 insulin.
> >
> > I think I should postpone attempts at humor until at least my
2nd cup of
> > coffee.
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > ~Paula
> >
>

Well hey I knew she was being witty (even before your cofee Pauls) &
answered in
kind!

cappie


#101797 From: mlk <dovup21@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:34 pm
Subject: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments? dovup21

> Coconut Oil: The Perfect Food? from a blurb from a food company.
>
> Recent findings show that coconut oil may be the "perfect food".
It is a
versatile mild tasting oil which is trans-fat free, and may be used
for frying,
baking, personal care and more.
>
> Unrefined coconut oil has antibacterial and antioxidant properties
that offer
benefits similar to those of extra virgin olive oil. Coconut oil made
by a
mechanical expeller press technique allows the natural flavor and
whole
nutritional value of the oil to come through.
>
> Natural coconut oil, as opposed to the hydrogenated version often
found in
processed foods, is a saturated fat, but not the kind your doctor has
warned you
about. Studies have shown that this uniquely curative oil actually has
innumerable health benefits, ranging from disease prevention to anti-
aging.
>
> Unlike the longer fatty acid chains found in most other oils (which
tend to go
to fat stores in the body), the medium chain fatty acids in coconut
oil are used
by the body for metabolism.
>
> The known benefits of coconut oil include weight loss; prevention
of heart
disease, cancer and diabetes; strengthening the immune system; and
beautifying
skin and hair, just to name a few.
>
> Coconut oil may be used as a replacement for shortening in pie
crusts and
other baked goods.


ml


#101798 From: Sky <skydancer9@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato skydancer_2k

At 12:41 PM 11/10/2006, IL Jewel wrote:

>Hmmm I used 70/30 then switched to 75/25 have never
>used a "basal" but I'm type 2 not type 1.

I'm also a type 2. Are you thinking that type 2's don't use basal
insulin?

sky

#101799 From: "Bea Pullar" <beapullar@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine beapullar

Gretchen wrote
> A belly is a sign of insulin resistance, and people with IR, even
with
> normal BG levels, are at increased risk of heart disease, so your
diet
> would
> be good for him too.>

A few days ago I began mending and altering some summer clothes. To my
delight I had to eliminate 22cm (8 3/4 inches) from my white jeans.

As I've just stepped up my exercise program, and am being more
careful about
avoiding treats - hopefully I lose some more inches - and reduce the
HbA1c
etc. and reduce the impact of that IR!

Bea



#101800 From: "Jean-Terry" <teejaysp@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine jeanwudinna

Good luck Helen, I had an X-Ray for bowel issues back in 1977 and
I vowed never
again. I am sure things have improved since then. My husband had
one several
years ago and he didn't complain as much as I did so perhaps they had
by then.

I seem to get attacks which eventually go if I eat more carefully. I
find
acidophilus Bifidus tablets my lifesaver. I blame my own recent
attack on
eating out, something upset the balance and it wasn't grains, I
hadn't changed
this part of my diet. Jean in S. Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Helen Mueller

Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: Magazine


I just looked up sprue too, it seems to be a subset of celiac. I am
going to be tested next week for the condition, my colonoscopy
showed an
abnormality. As it happens I also have anemia and now borderline
osteopenia; however that may have to do with the
hypoparathyroidism.


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#101801 From: Shauna Ryall <sryall@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:39 pm
Subject: Acetaminophen recall brainbash.geo

There is a huge - 11 million bottles - recalled.



http://www.newstarget.com/021036.html



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#101802 From: The Scarlet Wombat <scarletwombat@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments?
scarletwombat@...

Don't ya love the "recent findings..." part? It is a meaningless
phrase. Let's see the references.

If I were to engage in a dietary experiment with another blind person,
would that be a double blind study? If it was done in front of a
wharf,
would it be a pier reviewed double blind study?

Dan
Chocolate and Scotch...breakfast of champions


#101803 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato vabbott1

It doesn't matter whether you're a type 1 or 2; a combined insulin
rarely works well for either type.
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "IL Jewel" <iljewel@...>

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Re: sweet potato


> Hmmm I used 70/30 then switched to 75/25 have never
> used a "basal" but I'm type 2 not type 1.
> Kay
>
> --- Sky <skydancer9@...> wrote:
>
>> At 07:20 AM 11/10/2006, paula42662@... wrote:
>> >
>> >Hmmm...wonder how many units of 75/25 it would take
>> to cover that???
>> >Probably tasted awful, too...
>>
>> How could you adjust a mixed insulin, anyway? I use
>> Humalog for carbs
>> at meals and Levemir as my basal insulin. I wouldn't
>> want to increase
>> my basal just to cover a carby meal. That would
>> surely mess things up
>> big-time. I don't think a person can gain good BG
>> control with a
>> mixed insulin unless they "eat to the insulin" and
>> then that would
>> mean eating almost the same thing and always eating
>> at the same time.
>> Not for me. I like more freedom than that.
>>
>> -=sky=-
>>
>> Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. Last A1c: 5.2
>> LowCarb, Metaformin XR, Humalog, Levemir
>> SkyDancer's Art:
>> http://www.skydancers.com/main/2006.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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#101804 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments? vabbott1

<groan>
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Scarlet Wombat" <scarletwombat@...>

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments?


> Don't ya love the "recent findings..." part? It is a meaningless
> phrase. Let's see the references.
>
> If I were to engage in a dietary experiment with another blind
person,
> would that be a double blind study? If it was done in front of a
> wharf,
> would it be a pier reviewed double blind study?
>
> Dan
> Chocolate and Scotch...breakfast of champions
>
>



#101805 From: mlk <dovup21@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments? dovup21

I just wanted to know what you might think or know about coconut
oil, etc. not their phrasing.
ml

The Scarlet Wombat wrote:
> Don't ya love the "recent findings..." part? It is a meaningless
> phrase. Let's see the references.
>
> If I were to engage in a dietary experiment with another blind
person,
> would that be a double blind study? If it was done in front of a
wharf,
> would it be a pier reviewed double blind study?
>
> Dan
> Chocolate and Scotch...breakfast of champions


#101806 From: mlk <dovup21@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments? dovup21

I just wanted to know what you might think or know about coconut
oil, etc. not their phrasing.
ml

The Scarlet Wombat wrote:
> Don't ya love the "recent findings..." part? It is a meaningless
> phrase. Let's see the references.
>
> If I were to engage in a dietary experiment with another blind
person,
> would that be a double blind study? If it was done in front of a
wharf,
> would it be a pier reviewed double blind study?
>
> Dan
> Chocolate and Scotch...breakfast of champions

#101807 From: "Jean-Terry" <teejaysp@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: humour (humor) jeanwudinna

Hi, Sometimes adding Ha! Ha! can indicate one is meant to laugh.

Written language is hard work sometimes although Yorkshire humour
(where I lived
as a child) depends largely on tone of voice and a funny use of
language and is
totally wasted amongst the Aussie's just as much of Aussie humour is
wasted on
me. So I no longer even try to be funny as it is so easy to be
misunderstood
and offend. The one thing I looked forward to on my visit to
Yorkshire nearly
20 years ago was being able to speak without having to figure out if
the people
listening could understand what I "meant" rather than what
I "said". The only
problem was my accent which was neither Australian nor Yorkshire by
this time.

It's even harder when one has never visited the country of origin
hence the need
to note humour. Another one is LOL, which can be Lots of Laughs or
Lots of
Love, take your pick. Jean in S. Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bad Fairie
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: [diabetes_int] Re: sweet potato


Paula,

don't stop being funny - some folks don't see while that everyone
has serious issues, relieving stress by using humor is healing,
it's just not their fault they have to be told first that
something is funny - after all, the internet doesn't come
with a laugh-track like the TV does......

beth


#101808 From: "Bea Pullar" <beapullar@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, the perfect food? Comments? beapullar

Dan wrote

> Don't ya love the "recent findings..." part? It is a meaningless
> phrase. Let's see the references.
>
> If I were to engage in a dietary experiment with another blind
person,
> would that be a double blind study? If it was done in front of a
wharf,
> would it be a pier reviewed double blind study?
>
> Dan
> Chocolate and Scotch...breakfast of champions
>
No the results would be invalid as you'd be blind-drunk from breakfast
onwards!

Bea


#101809 From: "Andrew Rotramel" <andrew@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:52 pm
Subject: Happy A1c andrew_rotramel

Aug 14, A1c 7.1
Today, A1c 5.3
That is 1.8% in a little less than 3 months.

I have also dropped 15 pounds.

The only difference is that I started walking 2-5 miles 4-5 times per
week, rode an exercise bike an hour every day, and took Byetta with
every meal. For the rest of my care during that period, I ate about
120 gm of net carbs per day, took 2000 mg of Fortamet (metformin),
and 20 units of Lantus twice a day for fasting control.

In other news, on Tuesday I switched from Byetta to Januvia, and
dropped my Lantus insulin. I only took Lantus for fasting glucose
control, and Januvia suggests it will take care of that for me. So
far it has done OK. And overall, my numbers are pretty darn good
after the change, but 3 days is not long enough to really tell.

Andrew


#101810 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: humour (humor) arnora@...

Or... Laughing Out Loud.

Nora

At 07:23 AM 11/11/06 +1030, you wrote:
>It's even harder when one has never visited the country of origin
hence
>the need to note humour. Another one is LOL, which can be Lots of
Laughs
>or Lots of Love, take your pick. Jean in S. Australia.



#101811 From: Barb Mandel <bam817@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Happy A1c calypso817

Congrats Andrew - it is a great feeling to see those low numbers -
keep
up the good work - you are working hard for it.

Barb in NH

Andrew Rotramel wrote:
> Aug 14, A1c 7.1
> Today, A1c 5.3
> That is 1.8% in a little less than 3 months.
>
> I have also dropped 15 pounds.
>
> The only difference is that I started walking 2-5 miles 4-5 times
per
> week, rode an exercise bike an hour every day, and took Byetta with
> every meal. For the rest of my care during that period, I ate about
> 120 gm of net carbs per day, took 2000 mg of Fortamet (metformin),
> and 20 units of Lantus twice a day for fasting control.
>
> In other news, on Tuesday I switched from Byetta to Januvia, and
> dropped my Lantus insulin. I only took Lantus for fasting glucose
> control, and Januvia suggests it will take care of that for me. So
> far it has done OK. And overall, my numbers are pretty darn good
> after the change, but 3 days is not long enough to really tell.
>
> Andrew
>
>


#101752 From: "gwmsje" <gwmsje@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 1:39 pm
Subject: Introduction - Hi gwmsje

Hi, I am new. After my last annual checkup in late
August I found out my blood sugar fell into the
diabetic range for the first time. In a letter I was
told to go on a "lo carb" diet and come back in a
month or two.

So far I haven't gone back but I will. The first few
weeks I did nothing to change and in fact ate worse.
This wasn't my first medical issue of the year (others
nondiabetic related [I guess?]) and I had thrown up
my hands.

After though I did get serious, cut down on carbs and
did a lot of reading. Confusing as I found out there
are so many opinions, but interesting. I have settled
on the 40 carb, 30 pro, 30 fat (Joslin) formula for
now, trying to stay in that range.......

I did get a monitor, but don't have insurance so I
have been doing a modest amount of varying tests in
a week. My FBG has gone down, and I see a walk
does a lot of good to get numbers down.

One side benefit of watching what I have been eating
is that I noticed I am getting too much sodium per
day. I have blood pressure that is too high most times
with meds and I am hoping these numbers will go
down too.

What I have read here has been very informative and
has helped me stay motivated which I need! I have
tried to change my way of eating so many times for
weight loss and it has never stuck for the long haul.

Thanks!
Rosemary, US



#101753 From: F M <renaissance_crysta@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need to find a new doctor renaissance_...

The odd thing is that when my cat was diabetic, he was prescribed a
high protein
diet which was very effective, but no one seems to like that approach
for
humans.

suhas_hangal <suhas.hangal@...> wrote: The problem with my
doctor
is that he is insistent on me following the
dietitian advice and when i told him that its extremely different
from what i see is effective, he got angry and finished the session in
5 minutes without bothering to answer any questions.
In his words ...

"You are a smart person and many smart person try this low carb thing
with more protein and fat, but they dont realize that it is hurting
them in some way"

And thats it, he went through my typed questions and just shooed me
away without answering any of them.

Even if he doesn't support it at least he should be able to understand
my choice.
Midlash <arnora@...> wrote:
>
> Unhappily, I have found no doctor who will outright *support* the
low carb
> WOE (way of eating). I think it goes against their medical and they
are all
> pretty much committed to the ADA line... exactly what you say -- eat
carbs,
> low fat and increase medication if it doesn't agree with your BGs.
>
> However, I find that younger doctors and endocrinologists who are
more
> recently out of medical school or specialization, seem to be
"tolerant" of
> lc eating as long as one doesn't talk about it with them *overtly.*
>
> My doctor doesn't have to *support* my low carb eating. I do not
have to
> discuss my eating style with my doctor. I do have a very flexible
young
> endo but use him primarily for ordering tests and writing
prescriptions. My
> lifestyle, style of eating, supplement-taking or not taking is MY
business.
> Most doctors don't really care and are actually very surprised when
they
> encounter a motivated diabetic who is maintaining anywhere near good
> control. They *expect* diabetics to run high A1cs. They *expect*
diabetics
> to go "downhill" in their control over time, hence the statement
that
> "diabetes is a progressive disease." I even heard it from my young
endo
> until I responded, "not if my control is in the normal range and
that is
> what I strive for."
>
> Yes, it IS hard to "swim against the current" while the water is
sweeping
> me against the rocks. I just swim harder and use only the aspects
of my
> doctor that are helpful. The rest I get here and on other internet
lists
> and boards.
>
> BTW, I had written recently about my control going askew and
wondered about
> the viability of the insulin I was taking. Well, I cut my carbs
(including
> portions) down drastically these last few days and find that my
numbers
> have finally settled back where they belong (not that my eating was
> dramatically off the scale before). Low carb eating IS the path to
control
> for at least THIS diabetic! <G>
>
> Nora
> LADA, Lantus & Novolog






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#101754 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Need to find a new doctor splaster27239

Exactly what I was thinking, Nora. I decide what I am to eat, not my
endo. I need him to write prescriptions, and I actually get my blood
work done locally before I go to him. He tells me to keep doing
whatever I'm doing.

Sue

On Thursday, November 9, 2006, at 08:54 AM, Midlash wrote:
>
> My doctor doesn't have to *support* my low carb eating. I do not
have
> to
> discuss my eating style with my doctor. I do have a very flexible
young
> endo but use him primarily for ordering tests and writing
> prescriptions.



#101755 From: Sky <skydancer9@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine skydancer_2k

At 01:27 PM 11/9/2006, Laura Kressler wrote:
>Gretchen,
>
>I just found that same magazine, "Diabetic Living", and I really
>liked it as well. It has much more realistic recipes than most.

But realistic for who? For diabetics in denial? For those who want
to feel like they can still eat cookies just because they might use
Splenda instead of sugar but they STILL use wheat flour (or other
grain flour)? For recipes that use sugarless pudding while
forgetting the corn starch or whatever it is that is used to make the
pudding thicken? The recipes may sound yummy but check the carbs in
those ingredients.

sky



#101756 From: Sky <skydancer9@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: FW: nutrition and glycemic index for sweet potatoe
skydancer_2k

If I'm going to eat 31 grams of carbs, it's not gonna be a sweet
potato and I don't care where on the glycemic index it is.

sky

At 02:38 PM 11/9/2006, gnsheetz wrote:

>http://www.foodreference.com/html/sweet-pot-nutrition.html
>baked sweet potatoe with no sugar added to it. may sprinkle with
>cinnamon .
>Sweet Potato Nutrition Facts
>(for one medium size sweet potato)
>Calories 130
>Fat 0.39 g
>Protein 2.15 g
>Net Carbs 31.56 g
>Dietary Fiber 3.9 g
>Calcium 28.6 mg
>Sodium 16.9 mg
>Potassium 265.2 mg
>Folate 18.2 mcg
>Vitamin C 29.51 mg
>Vitamin A 26081.9 IU
>Source: US Department of Agriculture

#101757 From: "whimsy2" <whimsy2@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: NEWBY LETTER Introduction - Hi vabbott1

Hi, Rosemary, welcome to our group. You have a very good doc if
he/she
recommended eating a lower carb diet to control your BGs. Most of 'em
tell newby diabetics to follow the ADA plan, which is definitely NOT
lowcarb.

I don't know how long you've been lurking and you may have already
seen
my newby letter but just in case you didn't, I'm going to paste it on
this post. There's a lot of Very Important Information as well as
links
in it, which I hope you'll follow.

First of all, let me refer you to two of the best books about
diabetes.
Read 'em and you'll learn a lot:

The first one is called

"The First Year, Type Two Diabetes, An Essential Guide for the Newly
Diagnosed" by Gretchen Becker. Gretchen is a list member and her
book
is an excellent guide. It's in paperback and available online from
Amazon if your local bookstore doesn't have it.

The second book is called
"Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions" by Richard K. Bernstein, M.D. You
can get it from the library but it's such a good reference that you
really should have it in your home library. Dr. Bernstein is a
longtime
type 1 who controls his diabetes using a lowcarb diet as well as
insulin.. Many of us - both type 1 and 2 -- on this list have found
great success using his plan or a modified version thereof.
.
And here's the URL to Dr. Bernstein's website, where there's lots of
good stuff:

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml

These two books will give you good basic information on the ins and
outs of diabetes management.

I would further refer you to an excellent informational website
titled "

"What They Don't Tell You About Diabetes"

http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

If it isn't there for some reason, let me know and I can email you the
contents -- I have it in my archives now.

I would also refer you to David Mendosa's website, where
there's a wealth of diabetic information and good links. He also has
an online diabetes newsletter which is very good. It's also an
excellent source for information about the GI index (glycemic index).

www.mendosa.com

There's one thing that's sure to make BGs rise and that's
carbohydrates.
Cutting out high GI carbs is an excellent way to control your BGs and
the more you cut, the better. Most of us find that the "whites" --
breads, cereals and pastas, in fact anything made with grain - will
raise our BGs. Also, rice and potatoes will do the same. And of
course,
cakes and cookies and sweets of all kinds, including fruits and fruit
juices.

Watch out for "low calorie" foods; often they're higher in carbs.
Learn
to read food labels.

Dr. Bernstein recommends about 40 carbs a day total. This is really
only
for the dedictated low carber and IMHO hard to maintain over the long
run. However, I've read that the average American eats about 300
carbs a
day, so the truth is somewhere in between. The best thing you can do
for yourself (if you haven't already) is buy a meter and use it
FREQUENTLY. At the beginning you want to learn how different foods
affect your BG and to do this you need to eat one food at a time,
testing first...then test one and two hours afterwards. Weigh out the
amounts and keep good notes. You'll use up a lot of strips in the
beginning but the rewards are definitely worth the expense and bother
because in the end, you'll know what foods to avoid and which are
okay.

Diabetes is a very individual disease and we often say YMMV - "your
mileage may vary" -- what works for one may not work for another.

You want to aim for postprandial (two hours after meal) BG of 120.
Keeping your BGs between 70 and 140 are your goals. If you can do this
longterm, you can probably avoid the dreaded consequences of longterm
poor BG control...and I'm sure I don't have to list those for you. (I
will if you want, though).

Here's my own list of pretty lowcarb veggies:

Spinach
Cauliflower
Broccoli
Summer squash (zucchini, crookneck)
Spaghetti squash
Mushrooms
Asparagus
Greenbeans
Cabbage
Sauerkraut

And of course lettuce and avocados which aren't a veggie but a
fruit .but they're definitely lowcarb. I have a large mixed lettuce
salad with avocado every night with dinner.

You can eat a reasonable portion (4-6 ounces) of meat, chicken, fish
without problem; it's all protein, no carbs.

Berries are the lowest carb fruit but even so, you should eat them
very
sparingly. Here's the website of the USDA, which you'll find very
helpful. It has carbs, calories, protein, etc.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

It's helpful to have a food scale. A cup measure isn't nearly so
accurate. I use a Salter scale. It weighs in both grams and ounces
and
cost me somewhere around $35. I got mine at a local gourmet shop but
they're available online too. Just do a Google search for "Salter food
scales".

The A1C is a test that measures your average BG for a three-month
period
with slightly more weight given to the latest month. All diabetics
should have this test every three months. And you should ask for, and
keep, copies of all your lab reports.

Oh, here's a link to a site that explains some definitions of
diabetic terminology:

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Pancreas.html

Good luck. And keep those questions coming. There's a really steep
learning curve at the beginning of your diabetes education but hang in
there -- it will all make sense eventually. And remember -- the only
stupid question is the one you didn't ask.

Vicki, diabetic since 1997, A1Cs consistently under 6 for a long time,
no complications, planning on forever no complications,
smile.



----- Original Message -----
From: "gwmsje" <gwmsje@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:39 AM
Subject: Introduction - Hi


Hi, I am new. After my last annual checkup in late
August I found out my blood sugar fell into the
diabetic range for the first time. In a letter I was
told to go on a "lo carb" diet and come back in a
month or two.

So far I haven't gone back but I will. The first few
weeks I did nothing to change and in fact ate worse.
This wasn't my first medical issue of the year (others
nondiabetic related [I guess?]) and I had thrown up
my hands.

After though I did get serious, cut down on carbs and
did a lot of reading. Confusing as I found out there
are so many opinions, but interesting. I have settled
on the 40 carb, 30 pro, 30 fat (Joslin) formula for
now, trying to stay in that range.......

I did get a monitor, but don't have insurance so I
have been doing a modest amount of varying tests in
a week. My FBG has gone down, and I see a walk
does a lot of good to get numbers down.

One side benefit of watching what I have been eating
is that I noticed I am getting too much sodium per
day. I have blood pressure that is too high most times
with meds and I am hoping these numbers will go
down too.

What I have read here has been very informative and
has helped me stay motivated which I need! I have
tried to change my way of eating so many times for
weight loss and it has never stuck for the long haul.

Thanks!
Rosemary, US


#101758 From: "George Davis" <geosdavis@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: FW: nutrition and glycemic index for sweet potatoe
geosdavis

I eat 'em and love 'em. They don't spike my bg like irish potatoes
do
because of the low glycemic index.

George
, Sky <skydancer9@...> wrote:
>
>
> If I'm going to eat 31 grams of carbs, it's not gonna be a sweet
> potato and I don't care where on the glycemic index it is.
>
> sky
>
> At 02:38 PM 11/9/2006, gnsheetz wrote:
>
> >http://www.foodreference.com/html/sweet-pot-nutrition.html
> >baked sweet potatoe with no sugar added to it. may sprinkle with
> >cinnamon .
> >Sweet Potato Nutrition Facts
> >(for one medium size sweet potato)
> >Calories 130
> >Fat 0.39 g
> >Protein 2.15 g
> >Net Carbs 31.56 g
> >Dietary Fiber 3.9 g
> >Calcium 28.6 mg
> >Sodium 16.9 mg
> >Potassium 265.2 mg
> >Folate 18.2 mcg
> >Vitamin C 29.51 mg
> >Vitamin A 26081.9 IU
> >Source: US Department of Agriculture
>

#101759 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:22 pm
Subject: Some interesting stuff gretchen4c

http://view.email.globalcloud.net/?ffcb10-fe8e1c717c61037d76-
fde41679726d017e721\
c7373-fef5167670610c

Gretchen



#101760 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine gretchen4c

> I just found that same magazine, "Diabetic Living", and I really
> liked it as well. It has much more realistic recipes than most.

Well, that's good news. The Better Homes and Gardens title made me
think it
was the usual recipes with tons of white flour and then Splenda
instead of
sugar.

Gretchen

#101761 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need to find a new doctor gretchen4c

> "You are a smart person and many smart person try this low carb
thing
> with more protein and fat, but they dont realize that it is hurting
> them in some way"

Send the doctor a copy of the recent report in the New England
Journal of
Medicine showing that low-carb diets with vegetable protein actually
reduce
your cardiac risk, at least in women.

Gretchen



#101762 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Need to find a new doctor gretchen4c

> Exactly what I was thinking, Nora. I decide what I am to eat, not
my
> endo.

I'd be happy to eat whatever my endo told me . . . if she'd come over
and
cook it and also do the dishes <G>.

Gretchen



#101763 From: "gretchen becker" <gretchen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need to find a new doctor gretchen4c

> I dumped her even though I had been seeing
> her (pre-diabetes) for over 10 years.

Have you ever gotten back to her to report the GAD results? I think
it's
important to educate her so other less-intelligent patients are not
harmed.

Gretchen



#101764 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need to find a new doctor splaster27239

Just don't tell him what you eat. Or get another doctor.

Sue

On Thursday, November 9, 2006, at 11:22 AM, suhas_hangal wrote:

> The problem with my doctor is that he is insistent on me following
the
> dietitian advice and when i told him that its extremely different
> from what i see is effective, he got angry and finished the session
in
> 5 minutes without bothering to answer any questions.
> In his words ...



#101765 From: Mary Sue <marysue@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: FW: nutrition and glycemic index for sweet potatoe
splaster27239

I wonder how the white sweet potatoes would rank. They are much
sweeter
than the red ones. I cannot eat very much of one without a spike. But
they certainly are good.

Sue

On Thursday, November 9, 2006, at 02:38 PM, gnsheetz wrote:

> Among root vegetables, sweet potatoes offer the lowest glycemic
> index rating. That's because the sweet potato digests slowly,
> causing a gradual rise in blood sugar so you feel satisfied longer.
> It's time to move sweet potatoes to the "good" carb list. Many of
> the most popular diets these days have already.
>

#101766 From: Midlash <arnora@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Need to find a new doctor arnora@...
Send Email
I assumed that since I needed her referral to go see the endo, that
he has
sent her copies of my various test results. I'll ask him when I see
him next.

Nora

At 05:38 PM 11/9/06 -0500, you wrote:

> > I dumped her even though I had been seeing
> > her (pre-diabetes) for over 10 years.
>
>Have you ever gotten back to her to report the GAD results? I think
it's
>important to educate her so other less-intelligent patients are not
harmed.
>
>Gretchen



#101767 From: Laura Kressler <toaddoc@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine toaddoc1

Gretchen,

I should say I only saw one issue but, in that issue recipes were
much better than the typical "diabetic" cookbook or magazine. Now,
maybe that won't hold for every issue. But, it was far better than
the ADA's magazine. So, I guess it will remain to be seen. I
haven't subscribed so, I may never know.

Laura

On Nov 9, 2006, at 5:34 PM, gretchen becker wrote:

> > I just found that same magazine, "Diabetic Living", and I really
> > liked it as well. It has much more realistic recipes than most.
>
> Well, that's good news. The Better Homes and Gardens title made me
> think it
> was the usual recipes with tons of white flour and then Splenda
> instead of
> sugar.
>
> Gretchen
>
>
>



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#101768 From: "Bea Pullar" <beapullar@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine beapullar

Is this the Australian "Diabetic Living" published by The Better
Homes and
Gardens? or an American magazine of the same name and publisher?

Since it came out late last year I have bought several issues. It
follows
Diabetes Australia - similar to ADA - recommendations. Recipes in
general
are too high carb for me. There are some "good" articles though.

Bea


----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Kressler" <toaddoc@...>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Magazine


> Gretchen,
>
> I should say I only saw one issue but, in that issue recipes were
> much better than the typical "diabetic" cookbook or magazine. Now,
> maybe that won't hold for every issue. But, it was far better than
> the ADA's magazine. So, I guess it will remain to be seen. I
> haven't subscribed so, I may never know.
>
> Laura
>
> On Nov 9, 2006, at 5:34 PM, gretchen becker wrote:
>
>> > I just found that same magazine, "Diabetic Living", and I really
>> > liked it as well. It has much more realistic recipes than most.
>>
>> Well, that's good news. The Better Homes and Gardens title made me
>> think it
>> was the usual recipes with tons of white flour and then Splenda
>> instead of
>> sugar.
>>
>> Gretchen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#101769 From: Shauna Ryall <sryall@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 9:17 pm
Subject: Low Carb in women study brainbash.geo

This is a LONG term study done on women. Says that there is NOT an
increase
in Congestive Heart Disease (CHD) even with a higher fat diet.
http://cardiology.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2006/1108/1



Shauna :-)



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#101770 From: Laura Kressler <toaddoc@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: Magazine toaddoc1

Bea,

I would assume it is the American version, but I don't have the
magazine any more so, I can't check.

Laura

On Nov 9, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Bea Pullar wrote:

> Is this the Australian "Diabetic Living" published by The Better
> Homes and
> Gardens? or an American magazine of the same name and publisher?
>
> Since it came out late last year I have bought several issues. It
> follows
> Diabetes Australia - similar to ADA - recommendations. Recipes in
> general
> are too high carb for me. There are some "good" articles though.
>
> Bea
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laura Kressler" <toaddoc@...>
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:05 PM
> Subject: Magazine
>
> > Gretchen,
> >
> > I should say I only saw one issue but, in that issue recipes were
> > much better than the typical "diabetic" cookbook or magazine. Now,
> > maybe that won't hold for every issue. But, it was far better than
> > the ADA's magazine. So, I guess it will remain to be seen. I
> > haven't subscribed so, I may never know.
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > On Nov 9, 2006, at 5:34 PM, gretchen becker wrote:
> >
> >> > I just found that same magazine, "Diabetic Living", and I
really
> >> > liked it as well. It has much more realistic recipes than most.
> >>
> >> Well, that's good news. The Better Homes and Gardens title made
me
> >> think it
> >> was the usual recipes with tons of white flour and then Splenda
> >> instead of
> >> sugar.
> >>
> >> Gretchen