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#1067 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 4:06 pm
Subject: Giving God the Credit
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I myself am a born-again Christian and have suffered with depression and anxiety for years. Two months ago I got in touch with Christian councelling organisation near me (nothing to do with the person I spoke to in the chat room). I knew I had a problem for years but never wanted to talk about my past to anyone. But now I decided I had had enough.
 
My first appointment was with the main councelling woman to just learn about my background and decide who I should speak to next. She asked me about my perception of GOD. After I explained that I saw GOD as a giant angry, hateful orge who was totally unpleasable, she asked me about my parents. Straight away she said my problem was repressed anger and the healing would occur by finding ways to release this anger.
 
I asked how was this done and she explained, some techniques. She said one way is to imagine your parents in the room and you can be free to get angry with them by either shouting at them or punching some kind or pillow (As you already know about).
 
To be honest I thought this was some strange mind over matter technique and thought it wouldn't work so I didn't want to go back. I thought healing would involve just been prayed for and everything would just happen easily. But then three days later, I found your website and couldn't believe my eyes. A scientific explanation of the same thing. OK, GOD, I thought, this is the way to get healed, so I will do it.
 
It was at this time when I told another friend, who had a similar background to me. He just laughed it off though as a joke. When your scared of the truth, the easiest thing is to just laugh it off as a joke.
 
When I went for my first appointment with a councellor nearly two weeks later, I explained all about the toxic mind theory and how I had started to re-direct anger already. She agreed with what I was doing and even asked more questions then I was asking her the first week and said she would look into it herself. She even agreed that getting angry at the false image of GOD was perfectly sound.
 
Although, the healing as been virtually 100% through the self-help therapy, speaking to the councellor speeded up the process. Firstly, because she helped me to recognise other people who had hurt me when I didn't realise. I was then able to direct anger at them and speed the process up.
 
I agree with the following point you made:
 
"I think religions are groups of codenpendent people looking for answers, when the real answer is within"
 
As I explained, I am a born-again Christian (not a religous person; I believe in a real living spiritual relationship with GOD, not just following rules and traditions) and believe in Baptism of the Holy Spirit and all the spiritual gifts. And yes, the ansewer is within. I believe GOD lives in me and led to this point of healing. IT'S FAIR TO SAY YOU DON'T NEED GOD TO FIND EMOTIONAL HEALING, AFTER ALL, GODS LAWS APPLY TO ALL PEOPLE BUT HAVING GOD CERTAINLY SPEEDS UP THE PROCESS.
 
I'm not taking anything away from all the clever people who through years of research have scientifically proven this healing process. But it's only right that my final thankyou goes to GOD, the man who invented the process !!!!!!! I can't remember the exact scripture, but it goes something like, "Make no mistake, all good things come from the Lord".    P
 
Yes, yes, let's give God the credit. I knew when the toxic mind theory came to me in a flash, that it was a gift from God. I then spent two years searching the scientific literature, and found no research that did not prove it. You would like the passage in the  Bible, where one person out of ten who were healed gave credit to God, and Jesus said, "Where are the other nine?"
 
Ellie

#1066 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 1:40 pm
Subject: Religions
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I recently spoke to someone in a chat room who said they were a Christian councellor. When I explained about how re-directing anger help me, they said they had heard about anger re-directing but didn't use and didn't think it that important. They said that it can help in some cases but not all emotional problems are caused by repressed anger.
 
Surely don't you agree that any emotional trauma the key to healing is simply to release those emotions. So if you are abused as a child by your parents or experience some trauma as an adult, the damage is the emotions bottled up inside and not the event itself.
 
Anyway I eventually get her to say it was good when I started throwing those Bible quotes at her and stating I believed it was a technique used by Jesus.  After all I do believe that the toxic mind theory afterall is nothing new. It is simple a scientific explanation of a healing process used by Christ himself.
 
It is very frustating to think there are many people out there like myself, who may never find healing because the people they will turn to won't understand how to heal them.  P
 
Hello,
I agree with you. The toxic mind theory also explains how Buddha and Mohammad healed and I write about this in my book. I think those people you mention are still in denial and have to hit a bottom, i.e. find out those healers they turn to can't help them.
 
I think religions are groups of codenpendent people looking for answers, when the real answer is within. The RST will never be a religion. The people who recover will not need codependent groups, and will pass this on one to one.
 
Ellie
 


#1065 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 6:34 pm
Subject: Concrete Results
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>Hello ,
 
>Praise the Allmighty, things are better than I can ever remember.
 
>I have been using RST for about three months. It has made me very
>optomistic. The first concrete results are here, and reading the posts on the
>website indicates the best is yet to come.
 
>I used to blow up about any little thing, always starting an argument if
>possible, always insulting whoever I could get away with. All gone now. Ask my
>wife. She hates to hear me shout and bang away at my mattress, but is slowly
>beginning to half admit that maybe it's a good thing. Only for me, of course.
 
>The thing was.... Constant battles with the wife. A distinct feeling : this
>ain't it. I picked up a book on primal therapy, but there are no practitioners
>of it here (which probably saved me thousands of dollars). So I searched the web for info on self primalling. I tried to do it faithfully every day for 6 months, but no
>dice.
 
>I had seen the famous RST page at the beginning of the 6 months, but
>ignored it. After I saw primalling is not for me, I tried RST. Lo and behold,
>everything happened just as described. Headaches. Nausea. Colds and coughs.
>Crazy mood swings. After three months, some sort of stability. Like I am able to
>actually work every day, something almost impossible before. It's still a
>battle, but I usually win.
 
>So that's where I am now. I feel like I discovered a new religion, which on
>the one hand makes me constantly wary.
 
>(As for) increased energy, effortless weight loss, higher IQ, etc? I'm
>still waiting for all that.    Donald
 
>Ellie

#1064 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 6:26 pm
Subject: Anxiety and tapering off Xanex
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Subject: Anxiety and tapering off Xanex

Elnora Van Winkle,
 
I have two questions.  
 
I am on a low dose of Xanex but have been trying to taper off for the past month.  The amount of anxiety and panic is very high now that I'm on half the
original dose.  (Original: .25mg twice a day.  Current: .125mg twice a day.)  Do you have any advice on this medication tapering topic.  Most of my anxiety and stress is job related and I have been trying to make a downshift change to a job with less stress. But being 54 is now a big hurdle.
 
Another question is what type of therapists/therapy do you recommend for dealing with abandonment issues,fear, anxiety? E.
 
Hello,
I assume you are in the eGroup, depression-cause-cure. If so you are in the right place for redirecting self-therapy (RST) for anxiety and depression. This will cure you of abandonmnent issues, fear, and anxiety. Please study all the articles suggested on any of the websites below, and follow the suggestions in the Welcome Messages, and read the Archvives/Messages.
 
I would not make job changes if possible until you recover. Your anxiety is not specifically due to a stressful job. This may trigger your anxiety, but your symptoms are detox crises, and opportunites to do the redirecting.
 
Get into the RST and you will have less trouble going off the meds. As you taper off, do some redirecting before you take each dose. Then go ahead and take it. In time you will have less trouble going off it.
Ellie
 
 

#1063 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:50 pm
Subject: 11.Normalcy
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11. Arthur Janov has a good description of normalcy.
Normalcy ultimately means freedom from emotional disorders, the basic 
addiction to people,i.e.codependency, and the overlying addictions to food,
alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. Addictions will subside slowly through the muddy basin period.
The goal of primal therapy is to bring one to what Janov describes as
post primal, ie normal. I don't find psychological theories useful, but I
identify with his description of normacly, 
-On Being Normal, Chapter 11, The Primal Scream, Arthur Janov, Perigee
Books, 1970. Hopefully I'm not in trouble because of copyright-- I think
this book is out of print._
It is the aim of Primal Therapy to make individuals real.
Normal people are real by definition. Post-Primal patients
become-real because of their therapy. These patients still carry
scars; however. They have been wounded many times over in their lives,
and one cannot wash away their memories; one can only defuse them so
that these memories no longer exert the force which made the
neurotic act out symbolically. With so much deprivation as a neurotic,
obviously the post-Primal person is not going to be a totally fulfilled
human being. As a neurotic he could only struggle toward fulfillment.
His therapy now frees him to fill his needs in the present. When I talk
about a normal human being, I am discussing a defense-free, tensionless,
non struggling person. My view of normality has nothing to do with
statistical norms, averages, social adjustment scales, conformity, or
nonconformity. When a person is himself, how he behaves may be as varied
and infinite as the number of people in the world. The normal is
himself. Primal Therapy makes someone into himself, rather than tries to
have a person "make something ou: of himself."
I shall discuss the normal in contrast with the neurotic. Later I shall
draw a composite picture of a post-Primal patient: how he feels, what
he does, and the kinds of relationships he has.Being satisfied makes the
normal relaxed. The neurotic who is dissatisfied because he did not have
his needs satisfied must search out apparent sources of his
dissatisfaction. This keeps him from knowing what the real sources of
his unhappiness are. So he dreams of getting a new job, going after
another college degree, moving some-place else, or finding a new
girlfriend. By focusing on his bad job, non understanding wife, etc., he
hopes the basic discontentment will be removed.I recall one patient
coming into therapy one day complaining about the political turn of
events in this country. He was obsessed with getting out and moving
abroad. What he had to say about the political atmosphere seemed to be
quite real. Nevertheless, when he felt his real discontentment, it did
not change his ideas about the political situation, but it did alter his
obsession to get out. What he felt was:"There is no good home for me."
He had never had a good home. Bad home = bad homeland. His dream was of
finding that good home elsewhere.Because he is not where he is, the
neurotic will never be content for any lasting period of time. He is
using the present to work out the past. So he will buy a house and fix
it up, and when he is done, he will want a new house. Or he will find a
girlfriend and then leave her after he has "conquered" her. To the
neurotic, the struggle, not the result, is important. Thus he often
cannot complete what he starts. He justifies his inadequate jobs on the
basis of having so much to do. But he has so much to do because he does
not finish. To finish and feel unfulfilled is to hurt. This is why so
many individuals have a hard time in the last months of working for an
advanced degree. It is also why some people cannot rest content with
money in the bank. Just after getting out of debt, they must borrow
again so as to maintain the struggle. To feel"I have arrived; I have
money in the bank, and I still feel unhappy" is intolerable. The
struggle takes care of that. Some neurotic house- wives rarely get up
early and finish their housework completely. Then they would have to
face the emptiness of their lives. Instead,they have one or two rooms in
constant disarray; in this way they maintain their struggles. The
normal, who does not need struggle, who needs no obstacles in his path
to keep him in that struggle, can get down to things. The neurotic,
delaying the feeling of his Pain, delays much of the rest of his living.
Indeed, feeling that Pain is the beginning of living for the neurotic.
Until he feels it, he must be elusive, in terms of eluding not
only what hurts but any unpleasantness as well. Because he is
constantly on the move away from his real self, he tends to be
flighty-if not physically, then mentally. His mind is filled with what
he plans to d6; he cannot sit still. He is on the move even in his
sleep, thrash-ing about or perspiring. He may be so activated that he
cannot sleep at all-obsessed with disturbing thoughts and unresolved
business. The normal can be with you completely. Part of him isn't
locked away in "reserve"; the normal, therefore, can be completely
interested. The neurotic is too often a whirlpool of.distractions; his
eyes, like his mind, seem to dart from one subject to another, unable to
focus for any length of time.
The normal, of course, is not split. This means that when he
shakes your hand, his eyes are not looking elsewhere. He can listen
completely, something which is rare in a neurotic society. The
neurotic can really hear only what he wants to hear. Most of the time he
is thinking about what he is going to say next. What he hears, as
a rule, will be valued only if it refers to himself in one way or
another. He cannot be objective and appreciate for itself what is
outside him (and that goes for his children). Neurotic conversations can
rarely transcend personal experience ("what I said," "what he said to
me")because neurotic interest is in the self which is unfulfilled.
The normal is interested in his self in a different way. Everything in
the world does not have to be related to it, but he is able to relate
himself to the world. He is not using his outer world to cover the inner
one. The normal does not feel lonely; he feels alone, and that
alone feeling is far different from what he felt before when alone.
It is a separate, unattached experience devoid of fear and panic.
Neurotic loneliness is a denial of being alone, a need to be with others
in order to flee from the catastrophic Primal feeling of being
rejected and really alone most of one's life. The inventors of Muzak and
the car radio understood neurotic loneliness; these are like Pain
relievers-defenses provided gratis so that the neurotic will not
have to feel his aloneness. For the normal, they are often
considered an invasion of one's privacy.
The normal is straight, and one can sense it in the way he
reacts.The neurotic leads an exaggerated life, he either overreacts or
underreacts; since the time he found his true reactions unacceptable,he
has had to react in phony ways or pretend not to react at
all. For example, a patient had a neurotic friend over to see her
new apartment. She asked her how she liked the decor. The friend
said, "Oh, I wish my rug looked as good as yours." She only saw the
room in terms of her own needs, and her reaction was a typically
neurotic response. Or, if some neurotics hear a joke, instead of
experiencing the humor and laughing, they will immediately counter with
a topper.Whenever someone must "identify," rather than feel, we see
this improper reaction. Thus, the normal reacts appropriately, not
because he is trying to produce an effect or has studied a book of
rules, but because he can feel what is appropriate. This means that to
be a good parent, he need not endlessly study parent guidance
manuals. He will be a natural person, allowing his children to he
natural people. Because the normal no longer must cover the feeling of
unimportance, he does not have to struggle to be treated as someone
special by waiters and hotel personnel. For the neurotic, this is often
a fulltime occupation. Part of the neurotic need is to surround oneself
with people, not to feel alone, or to join clubs, to cover the
feeling that one never belonged to a real family. All this incessant
struggle is over for the normal. When I think about the neurotic
struggle, I remember a recent advertisement for a brand of scotch: "It
can be a small way of paying yourself back for. all the years of
struggle it took to get where you are."
Neurotic struggles are manufactured. Thus, a woman can spend years
shopping for bargains and never feel that what she bought
was totally satisfactory. Probably it wasn't. II she could have got
her parents' love without struggle, then perhaps bargains wouldn't
he so important. Bargaining is the all-American neurosis. It's
much the same as the magic diet pill; it's getting something good for
little effort, like scotch. What makes bargaining especially delicious
is the struggle. The greater the struggle, the more valued the prize,
except that this is not the real prize desired for the great struggle of
the person's life. It is but a lowly substitute because years of
struggle for parental love came to naught. Bargaining is the analogue of
the neurotic's life with his parents with one difference: The neurotic
finally wins what he often doesn't want. Walking into a store and paying
the list price are difficult for many neurotics because to pay retail is
not to be made "special." Anyone can pay retail, and if you do, you are
just like anyone else. The normal is not a compulsive bargain hunter. He
tries to make his life easy, not difficult. Closely akin to bargaining
is the way neurotics treat money.
One patient said that he could never keep money in the bank before
therapy because it meant that he didn't have to struggle anymore. This
man was in a constant struggle away from an early feeling
of worthlessness. He had hoped (unconsciously) that money would
make him feel worthwhile. But of course there was never enough
money to do that. When he had money, he could not live with it
because he still felt worthless, and so he was driven on to
accumulate more. The normal is not using money symbolically to fill old
needs.He feels worthwhile because he was valued just as he was by
normal parents. Money is the natural preoccupation of so many
neurotics because the neurotic, by definition, must feel worthless; he
was not valued for what he was. Not being able to feel his true needs,
he will always want more than he needs. There are other neurotics who
can never spend money. Their struggle was possibly to try to feel safe
and secure. But again, money alone cannot make an insecure person
secure. This kind of neurotic is constantly postponing life: "Someday,
when things are right, I'll take my vacation." He never lives. Instead,
he clings to a fantasy of how life will be someday. That fantasy is
intimately associated with Pain, which helps explain why so many
individuals postpone so much of their lives. The normal, on the other
hand, can get to things now. He has no old Pains dragging him back and
making him put off matters. His real feelings eliminate the need for
unreal fantasies. The normal is stable. He is content to be just where
he is and doesn't have to imagine that real life is "out there"
somewhere. One woman put it this way: "I used to look in the mirror and
see my wrinkles and get terrified. I ran to one beauty expert after
another, tried special lotions, and when that didn't do it, I tried a
face lift. I was in a desperate flight from feeling that my youth was
over and I'd never have a chance to get what that little girl inside me
needed. Seeing those wrinkles and some gray hair set off my
hopelessness at ever being little again, and so I ran and ran. I went to
parties and functions by the dozens. Tried to be 'in' and attractive.
'Run' was my middle name. I couldn't stop." The normal can accept his
age because he is living now and has felt and experienced his youth. He
is not trying each day of his life to recapture something lost decades
before. He is neither excessively worried about the future nor
perpetually reminiscing about his past because he is not living a time
that doesn't exist. With the neurotic, "the personality is the message,"
to borrow from McLuhan's apothegm. The personality is warped toward the
message it must convey. Thus, the laconic person may he saying,
'Daddy, talk to me. Draw me out"; the fumbling, disorganized
sort is saying, "Mommy, I'm lost. Direct me"; the hangdog look,
"Mama, ask me what hurts"; the depressive may he saying, "Don't kick
me when I'm down." Because the normal is no longer trying to say
anything indirectly, he has no warped personality. Without old needs,
people are just what they are. I am not sure how to explain this in any
other way than to say that without a psychological frontispiece the
normal just lives and lets live. As I have already pointed out, the.
body is part of that overall personality so that neurotics often look
neurotic: we may find straight, thin lips closing down against
unacceptable words, narrowed eyes "unable to see everything that is
going on," as one patient put it. Or we will note drooping lips from
unexpressed and unresolved sorrow and a jaw set in perpetual anger. The
neurotic's entire organism is expressing the unconscious message. With
no message to convey, we may expect a properly proportioned body in the
normal, all else being equal. The physical changes I see in post-Primal
patients lead me to conclude that some of what we believe is
inherited may really be the results of neurosis.
The normal is able to enjoy himself. It is' surprising how few
neurotics are able to do that without artificial aid, such as
liquor. As one patient put it, "Fun torpedoes hope. I managed to turn
everything into something not pleasurable. If the whole day went well, I
would suddenly get irritable and pick a fight. I couldn't stomach a
steady diet of goodness. It made me feel uncomfortable, like the ax
was going to fall. I look back now, and I think that accepting all
that goodness meant giving up my struggle to make my parents good
people. If I accepted goodness wholeheartedly and really
enjoyed life, I'd have to give up hope of having my misery recognized."
Theneurotic isn't after pleasure now, he wants it to make up for
then. The same can be said for affection. The normal enjoys affection
without reservation. But for the neurotic to do so may mean, "I don't
need you anymore, parents. I've found someone to love me." It is
terrible difficult for the neurotic to feel that he is never going to be
that little boy or girl who is going to get from his parents what he
missed. An example of the difference between the normal reaction and
the neurotic one was illustrated by a patient who, after Christmas,
came in to say that he had got just "millions of presents." He
needed to make it more than it was to fill the large lifetime void.
Over and over one reads that children need chores or jobs to
learn responsibility. Children are pressed into service to earn
money, even when there is no necd. So, when a young child is asked by a
neighbor child to play, the first question out of the parent's mouth may
be, "Have you done all your chores?" Somehow, parents fear that to
let children do what they want means ~hat~they'll never do all
the "shoulds." So they put obstacles in front of each want until
the child comes to feel apprehensive about the simplest wants and be,
too, eventually avoids them. Later in life this person may never be
able to act spontaneously without the nagging question, "What should
I be doing first?" One patient told me, "If I had fun one day
andsomeone asked me to come over and spend the night the next day,
my mother would always squelch it because it was 'too much
excitement!'-meaning pleasure. She was probably terrified that I had
used up my allotment of fun without paying my dues."
The normal's life is much easier in this respect. He does not
keep himself from living the present, nor does he put his children
into the struggle so that they feel guilty about being free and
spontaneous. Nothing is ever exactly right for the neurotic, because he
was never right for his parents. It's an art form all its own never to
say one praising word to a child, one phrase that means you're all
right just the way you are, but patient after patient report they can
never remember such a word. Instead, the neurotic parent must speak
his Pain with every breath because that Pain is there every moment. The
result of being criticized for a lifetime takes many
forms. For example, you can buy some neurotics a present, and they will
invariably find something wrong with it. Or they will find the
bad in anything because only the bad was found in them. When the
neurotic reads the news, he reads about bad news: what went wrong; who
else is miserable or did bad things. In a neurotic society
where people must project their misery outside themselves to make life
tolerable, news becomes synonymous with bad rews. The normal is not
feasting on the misery of others. lie feels their misery and wants to
belp end it. When you try to fill a neurotic's void, you have to
remember what a bottomless pit it is The neurotic may need very
expensive gifts to cover years of emptiness and lovelessness. But no
gift can do that, no matter how expensive; there isn't enougl for in the
world to warm a lifetime of coldness. Even achieving long-sought goals
is not always the answer. A patient of mine finally got his PhD and went
into a severe depression. He thought that after eight years of terrible
struggle the diploma was going to do something for him but he still
didn't feel loved or important. He told me that getting that PhD was
like producing the final miracle and he couldn't feel it. The normal is
not hoping that something external will do anything for him, so be can
let things be what they are. For the neurotic, disappointment is thc
handmaiden of hope. hope which obscures reality often ensures that the
person, will be hurt by his unrealistic expectations. The neurotic is
bound to be disappointed by the Christmas party, for example, when
somehow that party is expected to make him feel wanted and loved.
The normal is healthy. He doesn't have to run around telling
doctors, '~I hurt," because he could never say it to his
parents. Because there is no pull toward being unreal, no symbolic
system to keep the body restless and fatigued, the normal is not only
more healthy but much more energetic. His energy is used for the
accomplishment of real tasks, not for struggling to achieve the
impossible.
And the normal finally knows when he feels good. one patient
told me, "I never even knew if I felt good. I was so far from my
feelings. When someone asked me how I felt and I didn't feel bad, I had
to deduce that since I wasn't feeling bad, there was only one
thing left-I must feel good." The normal doesn't put anyone else in the
struggle. He understands that children should be liked without having to
cant it. So he doesn't make his children struggle for an)'thing.
Paradoxically, those children seem to do very well in life, contrary to
the view that early struggle in life somehow prepares you for the later
one. Many neurotics never even realize that they shouldn't have had to
do anything to be liked by their parents. They have struggled for so
many years to be liked that they can't imagine just being liked for
being alive. The conditioning process of having to perform for approval
begins almost at birth, where the child is "kootchy-kooed" to try to get
him to smile(look happy). Later he is asked to wave "bye-bye" or to
dance for the grandparents or to say this word or that, irrespective of
how the child may feel at the moment. Almost every contact dturing
infancy is one of performing at the will of someone else. This need on
the part of parents and grandparents to get a constant response to them
seems a subtle outgrowth of how little response they were able to get
out of their own parents When one stacks the normal up against the.
neurotic, it's a wonder that neurotics last as long as they do. If
there were some key principle concerning real behavior, it
mightbe as follows: Reality surrounds itself with other reality in
the same way that unreality seeks out unreality. Real Or normal people
will not have continuing relationships with unreal people, and the
converse would also be true. Phoniness becomes intolerable to the
normal. He isn't going to flatter, submit, pamper, or mollify a
neurotic in order to get along. He also cannot be charmed,
conned, ordominated by the neurotic, so that. unless someone is fairly
straight, the relationship will he difficult. The normal will not be
ensnared in someone else's struggle. One patient reported that before,
he had had to finish his wife's sentences. She would start a sentence
and then look to him beseechingly, and he would immediately jump in
and take care of her. The reaction was automatic and unconscious.
The neurotic isn't likely to continue a relationship where his
neurotic needs are not being served. He has special requirements.
He will tend to seek out those individuals who share his kind of
unreal ideas and attitudes. We may often, expect, therefore, a
homogeneity of thought within his group of friends when it comes to
economics, politics, people, or general social phenomena. I am
indicating that being unreal is an encompassing pattern. The neurotic
must avoid reality until he is ready to face his own. Until that time he
will create a comfortable but unreal cocoon around him in the job he
has, the newspapers he reads, the friends he keeps. The strength of the
neurotic's social unreality will depend to some degree on how much of
himself he is forced to deny. If a man was never loved by his father, he
may have homosexual fantasies.
Some may recognize these fantasies and accept them; others may deny
them and possibly not even admit that they exist in their
dreams and daydreams. The latter group would be more denied than the
former. They may come to despise even seeing homosexuals and want to
pass laws against them. In their social behavior, then, they
will demand abrogation of any rights of homosexuals-all because
they want a daddy and can't say so. These same men might be so
fearful of their "weakness" that they come to despise it. Not only do
they try to act strong and independent, but they will want to pass
lawsagainst "welfare leeches" or any other group that can't be
tough and Make It on Their Own. To repress one's own needs, in short,
often means denying recognition of the needs of others.
To try to change the social philosophies of some neurotics is
tantamount to changing their whole psychophysical Systems. Neurotics
believe what they have to believe in order to make life
tolerable. To talk them out of their basic beliefs is like talking them
out of their constitutional equipment.The normal is not interested in
the exploitation of others.
There is nothing that he needs from people that is unrealistic. The
neurotic, helpless before his Pain, often needs to exploit others in
order to feel an importance he cannot feel. He must do this in order to
cover himself. He tends to need others to say what is good about him,
his child, his house, or his clothes. Someone who is not normal cannot
be giving of himself when that self is locked away inside. The neurotic
may feign concern and interest in others and may convince himself that
he is caring, but that self cannot care in any real sense until it can
feel and express itself fully. So long as that real self is stuffed
under fear and tension, so long as that self desperately needs, it
cannot give. The normal isn't likely to collect many friends as a buffer
against feeling alone in the world. His friends tend to be neither
trophies nor possessions. Post-Primal patients report that they can get
along with other real people, irrespective of their personalities. It is
their contention that real people are open and honest and undemanding
and that idiosyncrasies don't seem to be a threat.
The normal doesn't need an appointment book full of Saturday
night dates reaching months into the future in order to feel
wanted or popular. A normal doctor wouldn't need a waiting room full
of patients in order to feel needed. This last point seems to work
in two ways. The neurotic patient may also become apprehensive when he
is the only one in a doctor's waiting room and is taken in
immediately. Because he has not struggled, waiting and squirming, he may
feel that his doctor is not as good as the one who keeps people
waiting an hour. The normal, who acts realistically, will tend to be on
time because he operates on real time, not on some time from the past.
What this means is that he will not use time symbolically to feel
something he cannot otherwise feel. He will not be late, for example, to
try to feel important or to try not to feel rejected as in the case
with the neurotic. For example, being late can mean keeping unreal hope
alive. It's one more way the neurotic is not straight with life. Or he
will contrive a busyness that never leaves him time to feel. He keeps
on the go, feeling a pressure from outside that really lies inside.
Many neurotics manage their lives so that there is never time to live
leisurely. They plan so many projects (time fillers) for the purpose of
never having a free moment to feel or reflect. Pretty soon they have
more to do than there are hours in the day. The result is that they
are late to everything.
As discussed elsewhere, there are pseudo feelings that no longer
reside in the normal. This means that the normal would be
neither ealous nor guilt-ridden. The normal, content to be what he is,
would not envy others, want what they want, or demand what they have.
I suppose that this is another way of saying that he can allow
others -his wife, his children, his friends-to be themselves. He isn't
living through their achievements and successes. He isn't busy
stamping out their signs of happiness and life. The normal does not feel
alienated because it is Pain that produces alienation of one part of the
self from another. (Perhaps alienation from self is what enables
leaders to discuss killing so readily. Divorced from their own
humanity, they may not be able to feel for the humanity of others. Death
is evidently not a real tragedy for those who do not feel life. It is
in this sense that being "dead" internally makes the actual death of
others less real and, therefore, less horrifying.) The normal seems to
sense the pulse of life of others. He can
be tactful, not out of a deep dishonesty, but because he can sense
the Pain of others. He feels how much reality others may be capable
of feeling. The normal is sensitive in the true sense of the word. He
not only is mentally acute to the needs and drives of others, but has a
total organismic sensitivity where his mind and body are directly
affected by stimuli. I would differentiate neurotic, mental sensitivity
from the openness of the normal. I want to clarify this point because
there are many neurotics who are acutely perceptive and who do see
accurately into the personalities of those around them. What they cannot
do, I believe, is feel the situations they are in because they are
acting out denied feelings at the time. So, for instance, a brilliant
man may be expounding on some philosophic point at a dinner table,
acutely sensitive to the kinds of people who are his listeners, while
being totally insensitive to the fact that he is dominating the
conversation. He is too busy acting out his need for attention and
importance. This is why it is crucial for a therapist not only to be
trained in perceiving the personalities of others but to be normal. If
he isn't, he may be acting out his need to be needed, for example, with
his patients, thereby countervailing any good his insightfulness might
bring.The normal no longer suffers from "looking forward to," in
order to escape the emptiness of the present. One patient said, "I
used to rationalize that I wouldn't want to be rich because the rich
must be unhappy. They can have everything they want and therefore have
nothing to look forward to. I see now that if you can enjoy
everything at each moment, you don't need anything to look forward
to." The normal doesn't confuse hoping with planning. He may plan
for a future situation, but he doesn't keep himself so full of
plans that he has no present. It would seem that some neurotics keep
things in the future so that they can never quite take pleasure now. I
believe that this derives from early in a child's experience when to
have led his life his own way, to do exactly what he wanted, would have
meant rejection and possibly abandonment by parents who
expected things done their way. He had to put off doing what he wanted,
hoping for a future time when he could enjoy himself. This may
go far to explain the idea many of us have had as children-"When I
grow up, I'm going to be so happy." It would seem that some
neurotics continue this pattern into adulthood. The normal, having
given up unreal hope and the struggle to please, can lead his life as
he pleases. The neurotic "wants"; the normal "needs." For the neurotic
to want what he really needs is to feel Pain, so he must want
substitutes -something attainable. The normal has simple needs because
he wants what he needs, not some symbolic substitute. The neurotic
may want a drink or a cigarette, prestige, power, high grades, or a
fast car-all to cover Pains of emptiness, worthlessness,
powerlessness, or whatever. There is nothing to cover in the normal,
nothing to fill up. Life seems to conspire against the neurotic. He
wants so much because he got so little. Yet because he has had to twist
his personality in strange ways to satisfy himself even minimally, he
becomes the kind of person who turns people away. His cloying demands,
his dependence and narcissism become intolerable to others. The
normal, who isn't trying to fill a lifetime of personal neglect in each
social contact, is often sought after and emulated. The neurotic is a
taker. No matter how much you may do for him, it may not matter because
he must have those needs fulfilled over and over until they are properly
connected and resolved-something usually that can only be done with
Primal Therapy.The normal operates on the "musts" instead of the
"shoulds." Neurotic behavior, in the Primal context, means the
abdication of personal need in deference to parental wants and needs.
Parental wants become the child's shoulds. A "bad" child is one who
isn't doing his shoulds. The young child, trying to be good so he can
be loved, tries to be what his parents demand. He does this with
the implicit hope that finally they will fulfill his needs-that
they will hold him, for instance. But parental needs can never be
fulfilled by the child no matter how hard he tries. So the situation
arises where the child is perpetually trying to satisfy his parent, to
make him happy or pleased. It will never be enough; no child can make up
for parental misery. The shoulds of the child are the needs of the
parents. Not to perform them means giving up hope for parental love.
Neurotic children become so involved in the shoulds-being quiet, polite,
and helpful-that they lose sight of their personal needs. Having
lost those needs, they want what they don't need. The robbery of
children's needs is often subtle. Neurotic parents will remind children,
"You should be happy. Stop complaining. Look at all we're doing for you.
We've given you everything." Often children are convinced. They look
around and see material goods and believe that they have what they want,
and they no longer even know that they need something desperately-love.
The tragedy of the shoulds is that in performing them, the
child imagines that someday, when he does exactly what they want, hi~
parents will shower a rainbow of love upon him. But since his
parents themselves need what he can never give them, that day never
comes To operate on the shoulds is not to function according to ones
feelings. So the shoulds contain not only hope, but anger as
well-anger at having to do what one does not feel. Having spent a
lifetime doing what he did not want to do, the neurotic often has a
difficult time doing what he must. The normal does what must be done
because he acts in terms of realities.
The neurotic is often indecisive because he is split between
repressed needs and doing the shoulds. The normal can decide for
himself because he feels that self and what is right for it.
The neurotic relies on others to supply the shoulds. "What
should I order from the menu?" In this way, he maneuvers his life so
that people go on providing shoulds for him and he never allows
himself to function according to his feelings. That simple
question-"What should I order?"-is often a sign of the neurotic's
deadness. It is saying, "I have no wants, no feelings, no life. Live my
life for me."
The normal is not in the search for the meaning of life, for
meaning derives from feeling. How deeply one feels his life (the
life inside him) is how meaningful it is. The neurotic who had to shut
down against real catastrophic meaning early in his childhood must
be in the search, conscious or unconscious. He may try to find
meaning in a job or travel, and if his defenses are working, he may
imagine that his life is meaningful. Other neurotics sense that
something is missing and set out on the quest for meaning. They may
travel to gurus, study philosophy, steep themselves in religion or
cults-all to find a meaning that lies but a deep breath away.The
neurotic must be in search because real meaning is Pain
and must be avoided. Thus, the search becomes the meaning; because
the neurotic cannot fully feel his own life, be must find his
meaning through others or things outside him. He may find it in his
children or grandchildren, their accomplishments and successes. Or it
may lie in holding important office or making big business deals. It is
when the outside things are removed that the neurotic suffers. It is
then that he may begin to feel, "What's the use? What is it all for?
What is the meaning of it all anyway?" The normal lives inside himself
and does not feel that something is missing; no parts of him are
missing. The neurotic must feel this way if he ever stops his struggle
because part of him is missing. One patient put it this way: "I have a
fascinating job. It's too bad it doesn't interest me." It had no meaning
for him. The neurotic, unable to feel the full meaning of his life,
must often invent a superlife or an afterlife-places where real living
will go on. He must imagine that somewhere lie the real meaning and
purpose if it all. He may think that savants can find it for him when
only he can do that. The normal, by discovering his own body, has no
need to conjure a special place where life really is going on.
Implicit in the neurotic's seeking out psychotherapy is that possibly it
will help him find a more meaningful life. It, too, becomes one long
search. The normal has made a simple discovery: Meaning is not some-
thing to be detected, only felt. He therefore does not race to
weekend seninars on how to live the good life, find joy, or
whatever.The neurotic's search is exemplified by a patient who was
formerly a philosophy major in college: "I liked philosophy because I
never had to know anything for sure. I never understood how much I
wanted that state of limbo. I couldn't feel what was right in
life, any way, so limbo was perfect for me. I searched in the heavens
and in the intellectual clouds for some super meaning-all this so I
didn'thave to face that all my years of hassling at home had no
meaning.It was senseless. Finding meaning in Descartes and Spinoza was
a pleasant cover for all that." The normal is not trying to derive meaning from special
occasions such as Christmas and Thanksgiving (Primal season, as one
patient put it). The neurotic may be depressed during the holidays
because the holiday gatherings did not make him feel loved or that he
had a real, warm family. The normal has no need to make life what it is
not. He has no need for the broad philosophical search. He knows he is
just alive and living, no more. One could spend the test of this book
describing the normal. Normal is, simply, whatever normal people do--and
not digging endless holes to climb out of.
Ellie
 

#1062 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:56 pm
Subject: A clear brain
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Hi Ellie

Been a long time since I wrote anything, please dont think I have forgotten
this forum and the good it did for me.  I thought I would let you and others
know how I'm getting on.

I began redirecting around 6-7 months ago now, its seems longer perhaps
because my state before then was so different to the one I am in now.  
Depression is no longer an issue anymore, like everybody I have my low days
but handling life has become far easier.

Redirecting has been by no means a cure for problems in life, it has allowed
me to have the emotional stability to deal with problems and the anguish that
these problems may cause.  I have become a far more confident person and
there is still work to be done on my confidence but 18 years of mental
suppression and abuse takes it toll.  Right now I feel like I am catching up
on all the years I missed that were se! t aside for me to mature and grow
mentally.  Never before has my brain been clear enough to do this.

The one thing I must say is to all those who suffer with depression or
whatever difficulty you are going through once you reach the other side you
have a big advantage over so many.  You will know how important it is to be
content and happy and therefore if your like me your priorities will change
and the real things that matter come to the foreground, life becomes easier
because the right things become important.  

I wish the best of luck to all those going through the process right now, it
aint easy but it is truly worth it.  Like everything else in life the more
you put in the more you will get out. Regards, P
 
Thanks for your encouragement to the group. You are right it's not easy. It's a lot of hard work, but worth it. Keep redirecting about the confidence. Sounds like some voices still in your head putting you down. I began the RST back in 1997 and I still need to redirect from time to time. Ellie
 


 

#1061 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:27 pm
Subject: Relationships
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If you are new to the RST it's best not to make changes in relationships at this time. When you recover you may find partners change even if they are not into the RST themselves.
 
Here is a post from Lynn who began the RST back in 1999.
 
A piece of good news on my side. My hubby is slowing getting used to the new state of our relationship - that is, without much conflict or clashes anymore, and no more uproar at all. Besides he's slowly detoxing, on the one side getting funny symptoms and aches of different kinds, and on the other side starting to think straight - his feelings towards children getting milder and tenderer than ever, with a strong tendency to forgive readily and openmindedly, and less and less impulses to spank or impose his will by force - a lot less abuse of power or will to control others' behaviour on the whole. Lynn
 
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#1060 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 1:24 pm
Subject: Meditation
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Meditation has always has a negative affect on me.
I did Vipassana or Insight meditation for 10 years
and it made me worse.  I seemed to open the door to
the repressed thoughts, fears, negative selftalk,
while dropping all my defenses.  I stopped meditating
for about 5 years then went to TM, went through their
training, and got my mantra.  TM worked much better
but I could not do the 20 minutes twice a day regimen.
 
That seemed to cause me problems.  Probably was the
hardened steel resistance my demons are made of.  I
use TM to calm me and quiet the thoughts at times. E
 
Hi,
The kind of meditation that brought up negative thoughts and feelings was probably healing, IF you knew to redirect anger when those emotions surfaced.
 
If you are using the RST, it's better not to use those long meditative techniques to calm your mind. Compulsive thinking is a detox crisis. Try to do some redirecting when your thoughts are compulsive. After you do some redirecting during a detox crisis, then you may find you briefly but naturally fall into a restful meditative state.
 
Ellie
 

#1059 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 5:27 pm
Subject: Getting angry at the anger !!!
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Everything I have read and put into practice has involved re-directing anger at past abusers (people).
 
I recently started directing anger at the symptoms themselves (i.e. depression, anxiety, etc) and found massive realeases of anger followed. I went from hours of that drug like sleep and then when I woke up felt has though had just drink 15 pints of beer for the next 5 hours.
 
Because I have known I had emotional problems since a teenager,  I have built up massive amounts of frustration and feelings of underachiement. It felt like been trapped in an emotional prison cell.
 
So by simply re-directing anger at this image of a prison cell and the other symptoms of repressed anger, I found has helped me a lot.  P
 
Thanks for sharing this, and it sounds like a good idea to redirect to the symptom of depression or anger, even if you don't have past abusers in mind, since this will help the anger surface. It is sometimes difficult to get to the anger, but once you  bring it up you are helping to reduce the toxicosis, clear pathways, and heal. Once you feel the anger you might then do some redirecting to past abusers who caused you to suppress anger. This was the cause of the symptoms in the first place.
 
Ellie
 

#1058 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 1:42 pm
Subject: 6. FAQ Update
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6. Frequently Asked Questions

Questions are best be answered by reading all the articles on: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26

and referring to the pamphlet, The Biology of Emotions

Q. What is toxicosis?

A. Toxicosis is the accumulation in cells of substances that cannot be used for metabolism, for energy, or for building cellular components. Even when substances that can be used for these purposes accumulate in excess, they are toxic. Toxic substances might be endogenous waste products of metabolism or exogenous substances taken in from the environment. Symptoms of disease, physical or mental, are usually detoxification crises. Read the section, Toxicosis in The Scientific Story in Appendix H.

Q. How does toxicosis develop in the brain?

A. When anger is continually suppressed, endogenous toxins accumulate in cellular reservoirs in neurons in the brain and in the peripheral nervous system. When tears are suppressed, toxins also accumulate but in different types of neurons. In the hypothalamus, which is not protected by the blood-brain barrier, exogenous toxins from food and the environment also contribute to toxicosis.

Q What is a detoxification crisis in the brain?

A The neurons periodically eject toxins during detoxification crises, which are excitatory nervous symptoms. The substances ejected during detoxification crises are usually a mix of endogenous and exogenous substances. Detoxification crises in the brain and in the periphery are often vicarious. Toxins are normally eliminated through the kidneys and the intestinal tract, but when you are enervated they may be eliminated vicariously through the eyes, ears, nose, lungs, or skin. A sneeze or a cough is an example of a vicarious elimination of toxins in the periphery. An excitatory nervous symptom, for example, the misdirecting of anger, is an example of a vicarious elimination of endogenous toxins in the brain. Read the sections, The Etiology of Nervous and Mental Disease and The Development of Symptoms in The Scientific Story in Appendix H.

Q I have been diagnosed with a specific psychiatric disorder. Will the redirecting therapy cure my illness?

A Yes, There are a few genetically based disorders that could result in toxicosis and nervous symptoms, but generally, and unless there is irreversible organic damage, the symptoms of the various emotional disorders are detoxification crises, and the toxicosis was caused by the continual suppression of emotions. All the psychiatric disorders are the same disease, but symptoms differ because the toxicosis is more intense in specific areas of the brain that control specific functions. For example, toxicosis in areas that control motor activity may cause tremors in persons diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease. See the section, Unity of Disease in The Scientific Story in Appendix H.

Q. What about psychosomatic disorders?

A. "Psychosomatic" is a misnomer. "Neurogenic" is a more accurate term. Your thinking does not cause peripheral symptoms. During the detoxification process in the brain there is periodic over- and under-stimulation of the pituitary and other control organs. This can cause abnormal functioning in areas of the body that are controlled by the hormones released from these organs. Neurogenic disorders will clear up in time. Read the section, Psychosomatic Disorders in The Scientific Story in Appendix H.

Q What is redirecting?

A Redirecting is mentally directing anger toward memories of the behavior of past abusers rather than toward people in current interactions or inward toward yourself. Ways to Redirect Anger are described in Appendix B.

Q How do I know when to redirect?

A Redirect at the first sign of excitatory nervous symptoms and continue until you tire or relax. You can also redirect anger when you are depressed, and it may lift the depression.

Q. Do I need to have a specific reason to redirect my anger?

A. Not necessarily, although you may want to think of a particular behavior of past abusers when you are redirecting.

Q. What are some examples of excitatory nervous symptoms?

A. Excitatory nervous symptoms are detoxification crises, but actually consist of detoxification crises in many neurons. The symptoms may be mild or intense, or you may have many of these symptoms at the same time. Try to do the redirecting when they are intense. Here is a partial list.

Anxiety, fear, palpitations, tremors, panic attacks, nightmares, insomnia, compulsive thoughts or behavior, mania, paranoia, resentments, judgmental thoughts, raucous laughter, moral or ethical condemnation of others, revengeful thoughts, misdirected anger or rage, aggressive behavior, guilt, shame, low self-esteem, suicidal thought, biting your nails or picking at your skin, cravings for stimulants, alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, sex, shopping or other psychological stimulants, cravings for sedatives, sedating foods, or meditative techniques that suppress emotions, fear of abandonment, feelings of rejection, loneliness.

Q What if I can’t remember anyone who abused me in childhood?

A It is not childhood abuse that caused the toxicosis, but the suppression of your justifiable anger during the fight or flight reaction. Anyone who abused you and/or caused you to suppress anger is a past abuser. Write an account of your relationships with parents or early caretakers focusing on how they treated you, and you will recognize many people who caused you to suppress anger.

Q But, I love my parents and am grateful to them.

A You are not getting angry at them but at their sickness, at the memory of their behavior stored in your brain. They too were innocent children who had to suppress their justifiable anger. When you have released all your anger, forgiveness will come without conscious effort, and you will feel love and gratitude for them.

Q Do I have to relive the traumatic experiences of childhood abuse?

A No, do not try to recall early childhood abuse in detail or to relive early trauma. Attempts to relive childhood trauma can cause unnecessary emotional distress and even lead to psychotic episodes.

Q Who besides my parents are past abusers?

A All persons who acted similarly toward you in attempts to judge you and suppress your justifiable anger. These might include siblings, relatives, friends, partners, teachers, doctors, clergy, bosses, officers of the law, judges, or any persons in authority. If you think of God as judgmental, redirect anger to God. You are not getting mad at God but at the false notion of God stored in your brain.

Q What about people who abuse me now?

A There are two parts to the fight or flight reaction. Walk away from abuse, especially if you are just beginning the self-therapy. When people abuse you now, you are likely to over-react because your anger is intense and a mix of anger that was suppressed in childhood and anger at the current abuser. Mentally redirect anger using the redirecting therapy to your parents or early caretakers. Then if appropriate, calmly confront the person by saying something like, "I was uncomfortable with……." If you over-react anyway and feel guilty, recognize the guilt as anger turned inward and do some more redirecting.

Q. I am concerned that I am over-reacting.

A. You may over-react and misdirect anger toward partners or friends even through the muddy basin period. Do some redirecting before you go out. This might prevent you from over-reacting in public. If you have an abusive partner, find a safe place to do the redirecting. If your partner or friend is supportive, explain that you may misdirect anger, that it is not intentional and will be temporary. Be careful not to get in touch with your rage while driving—stuff it if necessary.

Q I was raised to believe that anger was bad. How can you say that all anger is justifiable and healthy?

A If you look at any newborn child who cries out in anger for care, you will see that it is part of the natural fight or flight reaction--Nature’s gift for survival. The problem is that anger becomes rage when continually suppressed and is often misdirected toward others.

Q What is the difference between anger and rage?

A When an excessive amount of the neurotransmitter that is responsible for the expression of anger is released during a detoxification crisis, anger becomes rage.

Q What is misdirected anger?

A When neural pathways that store memories of parents and other past abusers are clogged up with excess noradrenaline, which stores repressed anger, nerve impulses are likely to be diverted. Some of the anger released during a detoxification crisis may travel though the wrong neurons, so to speak. This is a vicarious detoxification crisis, and you may misdirect anger toward someone who is innocent or partially innocent, or inward as guilt or self-destructive thought. Or diverted nerve impulses may cause a variety of other excitatory nervous symptoms depending on where in the brain the toxicosis is most intense. See the illustration of the wrong neuron in the section, Vicarious Detoxification Crises in The Scientific Story in Appendix H

Q Why are my mood swings getting worse?

A During a detoxification crisis, excess noradrenaline floods synapses and has a strong antidepressant effect. You may experience increased "highs," or feel manic. At the same time, other endogenous neurochemicals flood the synapses, attach to noradrenaline receptors, and prevent noradrenaline from exciting post-synaptic neurons. This helps to end the detoxification crisis and has a depressant effect. When the toxicosis is reduced, mood swings will be less intense and less often.

Q. Why can’t I sleep and why do I have bad dreams?

A. Insomnia is due to the release of an excessive amount of noradrenaline during excitatory nervous symptoms, for example, racing thoughts. Bad dreams are intense detoxification crises. In time sleep will come more easily and be lighter, but restful. Dreams will be less frightening. Read the sections, Sleep Disorders and Dreams and Fantasies in The Scientific Story in Appendix H.

Q. I am in therapy, a 12-step program, and using some other self-help techniques to release emotions. Do I need to discontinue these?

A. Not at all. You can use the redirecting self-therapy along with other therapies, the 12-steps, and medication. The toxic mind theory proves that many other therapies, 12-step programs, and self-help measures are effective in reducing the toxicosis.

Q. Is this the same as regressive therapy?

A. It is similar to regressive therapy. Regressive therapy is actually a misnomer. There is no time regression in the brain. In regressive therapy people try to remember and re-experience early trauma in detail. This can be emotionally devastating and should not be attempted without a therapist. Some primal therapists already use the redirecting concept and others are now using it. But for self-therapy it is better to recall the general behavior of past abusers and to redirect anger toward people rather than about specific incidents and to do this whenever you have intense excitatory nervous symptoms. When you recover fully, you can then try to recall early trauma in more detail, and no emotional pain will be attached.

Q I am on antidepressants, will this interfere with my recovery?

A Follow your medical doctors advice about all medications. Give your doctor a copy of the scientific paper (available on: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/2579/toxicmind.html and http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26/toxicmind.html), and ask for guidance in withdrawing from any prescribed or over-the-counter stimulants. The redirecting therapy has the same effect on the brain as an antidepressant. If you are not suicidal you should be able to discontinue the antidepressant and use the redirecting therapy to recover from depression.

Q I am on prescribed sedatives, will this interfere with my recovery?

A Follow your medical doctors advice about all medications. Ask your doctor to help you withdraw from sedatives. Withdrawal from sedatives can be dangerous and should always be done under medical supervision. If you have developed serious addictions, you may need to attend a detoxification center. You can begin the redirecting therapy while you are there. You may continue to crave sedatives for a long time, even after mood swings subside. If you use alcohol or food to calm yourself, do some redirecting before you turn to these. If you use them anyway and feel guilty do some more redirecting.

Q. I am aware I have some addictions. How long will it be before they are gone?

A. Alcohol, drugs, certain foods, sex, codependent relationships, and stimulatory activities such as shopping, gambling, and so forth, trigger the necessary detoxification crises. These addictions will linger until the toxicosis is reduced to a minimum. See the section, Addictions in The Scientific Story in Appendix H.

Q What is codependency and why do you call it our primary addiction?

A Codependency is an addiction to people who are parent substitutes. The overlying addictions are like tips of the iceberg. Codependent relationships are formed unconsciously for the purpose of setting a stage to re-enact the childhood relationships and get the repressed anger out. The behavior of parent substitutes is stimulatory and triggers detoxification crises. All addicts are codependent, but not all codependent people develop overlying addictions.

Q What about diet?

A Gradually change your diet to more raw foods, whole fruits and vegetables, and do not over cook animal flesh. In time you can make a conscious decision to avoid stimulants, processed foods, sugar, dairy, bread, wheat, and cooked grains, pasta, or beans. Your body is likely to react more and more to these foods, which contain toxic non-nutrients, and you may have acute but minor reactions. If you consume these foods daily your body will store them up, but eventually you will have symptoms. If you consume them only occasionally your body should be able to detoxify them.

Q Should I make an effort to socialize and get a new job?

A Focus on using the redirecting therapy and, if possible, do not make major changes in work or relationships while in recovery.

Q How long will it be before I am fully recovered from emotional disorders and addictions.

A You can be free of depression in a few months. This depends on how much effort you are able to put into using the self-therapy and on whether you have already begun to speed up the detoxification process in 12-step programs, with other therapies, or with improved nutrition. You must continue to redirect anger to past abusers until your anger when triggered is only about the person in the current interaction. At this time do not to suppress it, but release and direct it toward the current abuser in private or calmly confront the person if you feel it is appropriate. Otherwise toxicosis and symptoms may return.


Ellie
 

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Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 2:08 pm
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Hello,
I am revising my view on meditation slightly in that I think it is useful short term once you have recovered. I don't advise using it when you are new to the RST and would be tempted to use it to suppress the needed detox crises.

When you have excitatory nervous symptoms, do not use meditation to suppress them. Some kinds of meditation that help to bring up emotions are useful, but when used to quiet the mind, meditation has the same effect as sedative drugs and suppresses the necessary detoxification crises. When you recover, your mind will naturally fall into brief and restful meditative states from time to time. Rest and meditation allow the body to use its energy to eliminate any toxins from food and the environment by the usual routes. As a result the vicarious elimination of toxins is reduced and physical symptoms should be less intense.

 
Ellie
 


#1056 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 3:37 pm
Subject: RE: redirecting & rebirthing.
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Ellie,
Thanks for what you sent. I did redirect after I sent the e-mails off to you
and feel a lot better now. I'm going for my 7th rebirthing session today ---
they are around one month apart --- and they are good for me to bring up
these toxins to redirect.
 
For example, early this morning, I was laying in the bed and redirecting in
my mind. Suddenly I felt my whole body contract and then relax. This went on
for a while and it suddenly struck me that this was my mother retching and/or
vomiting while I was a big fetus inside her. I was feeling her stomach
contractions and I was very angry at her. That's the anger I finally got out.
 
It's coming up to my one year anniversary of starting redirecting and I do
want to write up a year's perspective.  I feel that the rebirthing is
important for me because it makes me aware of situations that I would not
otherwise feel I have to get angry out. So in that sense, it has been a real
aid to redirecting. Tom
 
The RST works well with other therapies like rebirthing once you know to redirect.
And I am only two years ahead of you and still occasionally have to redirect, but not usually to parents. I watch Frasier and get some anger out at past psychiatrists by laughting at him and Niles.
 
Ellie
 

#1055 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 2:30 pm
Subject: Autism/Asperger's
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 Ellie,

Tomorrow S and I are flying to C for my daughter's HS
graduation. It will be a great occasion, but I'm feeling tremendous anxiety
because of recontacting my other lost daughter, who has
the 2 autistic sons.
 
I've been reading up on autism and Asperger's and I feel that Asperger's
definitely applies to me and that I may have transmitted genes to J to
have the autistic grandsons and now I'm worried about A's future if she
has children.
 
What do you know about Asperger's?  I'm doing fairly well, but I also feel
deeply troubled about this --- feeling like I'm such a faliure in life
because I can't relate well socially or emotionally to people.
 
I know what's helped is getting off wheat since wheat gluten and casein. Tom
 
Dear Tom,

Please read the below.

Autism and Aspergers (social anxiety) are not genetic and are just names for smptoms that result from the toxicosis. The toxicosis occurs in different areas of the brain and results in different symptoms depending on the function of the area affected. So some people have Parkinsons' or Alzheimers, symptoms, but they are all the same disease, toxicosis is the desease, and the symptoms are healing events. So when you have anxiety it's time to do some more redirecting. If the anxiety is just a mental concern it's based on false thinking that is still the result of toxicosis. Time to reread the sci paper on:

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26/toxicmind.html

Tom, if you feel a physical anxiety it's a trigger to redirect. You still have a some chemical imbalance

From my book Ch 1

"During depression there is a decrease in the amount of noradrenaline and other neurochemicals at synapses, and during excitatory nervous symptoms such as anxiety and mania there is an increase in these substances at synapses. This is the basis for the chemical imbalance found in persons who suffer from mood disorders. The chemical imbalance does not have a genetic basis, but is the result of environment.

There are a few genetic abnormalities that can contribute to toxicosis and result in nervous symptoms, but none of these cause this type of chemical imbalance. A genetic abnormality might result in a missing enzyme, which could cause deficiency or increased toxicosis, but even in these cases it is frequently environmental factors that have exacerbated the toxicosis."

(Phenylketonuria and Mongolism, etc, have a genetic basis, but not Autism or Aspergers' )

From the toxic mind paper,  Please reread the whole paper.

"The unity of disease

A careful study of what are described as distinct pathologies will illustrate the unity of disease. When toxins accumulate in regions of the brain that control specific activities, the symptoms observed will be related to those activities, giving rise to supposedly distinct disorders. Alzheimer's patients may have been forced to suppress emotions related to the learning process. Parkinson's patients often have mask-like faces and may not have released emotions though facial expression. Patients with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease usually have symptoms of other psychiatric disorders. Patients often have multiple diagnoses or are rediagnosed many times throughout life. No disease possesses its own special symptoms, but in their nosological systems scientists classify and arrange symptoms as if they belonged to distinct syndromes. They begin to regard subjective taxonomic orders as objective realities of nature and, for example, classify symptoms in one part of the body a! s a certain disease separate from symptoms arising in another part of the body. But inflammation of the brain and inflammation of the stomach are the same disease. "The brain can't vomit and the stomach can't become insane" (6). The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (32), which undergoes constant revision, lists hundreds of mental disorders, each characterized by a group of symptoms. If the boundaries are unclear, a second or third diagnosis is superimposed upon the first.

Psychiatrist Judith Herman writes:

The mental health system is filled with survivors of prolonged, repeated childhood trauma. This is true even though most people who have been abused in childhood never come to psychiatric attention. To the extent that these people recover, they do so on their own. While only a small minority of survivors, usually those with the most severe abuse histories, eventually become psychiatric patients, many or even most psychiatric patients are survivors of child abuse. The data on this point are beyond contention. . . . Survivors of childhood abuse who become patients appear with a bewildering array of symptoms. . . . Perhaps the most impressive finding is the sheer length of the list of symptoms correlated with a history of childhood abuse (33). "

 
Ellie
 


#1054 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 4:05 pm
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Had a severe breakdownwhile in law school but still managed to "carry on" and complete my studies (didn't know I was broken down but knew something was terribly wrong!) and after graduation finally totally broke down. Since thattime have been trying to get myself together with the help of acommunity mental health clinic and a psychiatric nurse who has only
made me worse. I swear to you. I did go to Fieve's clinic, etc. after
graduation as I was hired by the city of NY as a lawyer but due to the
breakdown quit the job before I even started. I accepted it, went
through the whole being fingerprinted for it, etc. acepting it, etc.
(didn't pay much was a city job, "civi service") but was so broken
down, could not go on and went on disability and medicaid and have been
in the system since. Being on medicaid I don't have to tell you the
kind of "help" I am getting. I have honestly decided that self help is
better than what I am getting from the professionals I have seen and
this is based on the fact that I been seeking help since graduating law
school in 1989. I am much better since I have taken the reigns into my
own hands. I really am. My goal is to completely get off Social
Security disablity and medicaid and be a fully functioning member of
society. There is nothing stopping me from doing so. I got into a rut
thanks to the PROFESSIONALS I was seeing to stay on the disability and
such. Here I was, a law school grad and on disability and none are
trying to help me get off it! I would think that would be a "goal". I
was certainly capable of holding menial jobs and even subtitute
teaching for years! While on disabilty. What I needed was someone in my
life to 'touch' me and help me get off the darn disability and get a
life. NO PROFESSIONAL has ever suggested that. And I have a law degree
and have never practiced because of the breakdown and seeking
PROFESSIONAL HELP. So i have had to take matters into my own hands and
am working at getting myself off social security disability. i cannot
believe a psychistrist would look at a "fellow professional" and think
this picture is OK. I am appaled. At community mental health clinics
they just usher you in and out. I feel the place that has let me slide
in and out for years should be sued. SOMEONE should have noticed me and
said "this is not right". We have an intelligent woman here.She should
not permanently be on medication and be working menial jobs when she
has never practiced law due to a breakdown. She should be in recovery,
recovered by now and back to being well. NO ONE has ever said that to
me and I really hold that clinic accountable. I am filled with rage
against them! S
 
PLEASE DO NOT rush to go off Soc. Sec. disablity...You earned it. Wait a good long time after using the RST, maybe a year is needed to get through the muddy basin period and know what will be best for your future life. Right now you are getting the "highs" from doing the RST. This will subside. Your creativity will come in a new way and you will be guided about career choices.
Ellie
 

#1053 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 2:23 pm
Subject: Talk Therapy
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The fact the guy at Dr. Fieve's office told me I "depress easy" when I
asked him what was wrong with me was really mind bongling being I have
withstood all sorts of childhood abuse and was an inpatient at Central
Islip State Hospital before being "shipped" over to Long Island Jewish
for 3 months. Surely someone "who depresses easily" would not have been
through all of this. I knew the guy did not know what he was talking
about but did not bother to correct him.
 
That is why your program or what have you works so well for me
personally. I do have so much rage within that is real and genine and
this is for me the only way I can really get it out. I have seen so
called excellent therapists and gotten no where. This RST makes such a
difference in my life. I am getting at the core of what is destroying
my life and has been interfering with everything. I have to admit I do
not do it all the time. I am happy just to do it now and then. Just
knowing it is available to me is great because I truly know for a fact
I have found something THAT WORKS. I am not playing games here. I am
telling you the truth. For me personally I cam giving testimony that
this works for me. I am the one who said I went into the bathtoom and
wa "stabbing" my laundry with a butter knife. You wrote back and
suggested I could hurt myself with a knife so I switched over to a
large spoon shaped ice screen scoop thing and even one night took the
scoop in to my bed and lay on my bed face down and was "stabbing" my
mattress with the thing. I have so much rage in my that the stabbing
motion needs to come into play as I voice what I have to say. Between
the two I am getting somewhere when I having my "own" session. A heck
of alot more than any session where I have sat across from a PhD or
what have you and talked. Really. At least in the way I felt. The rage
does not come out in those kind of sessions and for me that is what is
killing me- the rage! Not "mommy didn't cut my meat"- but boiling rage.
It is not possible to calmly talk about how rageful you feel. That is
like being parched and dying of thirst in the desert, dirty and
blistered, clothes torn and tattered, hanging off... after going
without water for days and being told to sip the water like you would a
fine wine or something. And to hold the glass the same way, etc.
Does not line up with the given facts. To sit in a nice office and
"talk" about how rage filled you are, now that I think about it..it
does serve to only make you more rage filled. I am sure there are some
benefits but I have had therapy and still have the rage. I know from
the few times I have done RST I felt rage actually being released. THAT
my friend is what  we need and want. That is what you talk about when
you say it is suppressed. All I can say is thank goodness I have never
been married or had children. I am sure I would never have survived a
marriage and if I had children I think the rage would have come out on
the children. So praise God for that. S.
 
 
 

#1052 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 12:51 pm
Subject: RST Book
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As you know I'm working on a book. The title will be:

REDIRECTING SELF-THERAPY (RST) FOR

ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION

PERMANENTLY REPAIR THE CHEMICAL IMBALANCE YOURSELF

I want to thank all of you who have so generously shared your stories with the eGroup and tell you I have put some of them (slightly edited) in the stories section of the book, not all, because of space. I use first names and if they were not common names changed them, even sex, and took out any identifying information. I even mixed together some of the sharing from different people and used one name, or sometimes used different names for different parts of one persons story. I don't even know myself who wrote what. So it is really anonymous. Since you have shared here on the Internet so as to help others, I assume it is OK to put it in the book. If not, please let me know right away. I'm hoping the book will reach people who don't have computers.

Except for Ch 1 and 4, it is mostly information you already have on my websites, and in the Archives. Ch 2-3 are expanded versions of The Biology of Emotions article. If you would like to read Ch 2-3 I can send it privately to you, but it is not to pass on as it will be copyright..

It won't be published for a another year since I dont have a publisher yet. I had 4 rejections, and just sent to 14 more. It needs to reach an editor not in denial. But know God wants this published, so someone will respond. I realize most of you will have gone on to new lives by the time it is published, but I hope you will get it then, and use it to pass on the RST to friends.

I hope some of you are thinking of writing your own stories as a book. It would be great to flood the world, not with any more misdirected anger, but with the truth. Publishers are increasingly interested in recovery stories.And I think your books would be best sellers!!

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#1051 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 12:18 pm
Subject: Nepal today
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Dear Ellie:
 
I read Tom's story and all I can say is "amen!" What a difference it
makes stating who you are redirecting the anger to, rather than just
blurting it out. Sounds almost bizarre to making such a peculiar
statement like that because common sence dictates that one would need
to be addressing the object of their anger, however this much needed
fact has been overlooked in the annals of pschotherapy apparently up
until now in terms of a primal type method. Unbelieveable. Well, not
really! Nothing shocks me anymore and that is such a pitiful statement
to have to make.
 
Once again I would like to reiterate how happy and pleased I have found
you. I am a law school graduate who studied law and psychiatry while in
law school and learned nothing on the subject. The professor only
wanted one thing--a promotion. I also sought treatment in NYC at Dr.
Ronald Fieve's esteemed clinic..you know "the" Dr. Fieve, the "father"
of lithium. I saw and was treated by one of his associates who had just
come from the University of Pennsylvania where he had been an associate
of Dr. Aaron Beck's. You know, "the" Dr. Aaron Beck. I was in the
throws of a God awful situation and his assessment of me was that I was
someone who depresses easily. I will never forget those words as long
as I live! That fabulous place really dug it's heels in deep and came
up with something solid. I depress easily! Taking that helpful
information, I picked up my coat and never went back. This mind you was
what I was told after I asked clearly and in no uncertain terms what my
diagnosis was.
 
Ellie, your method is helping me so much I cannot begin to tell you. I
think it is the greatest and all I can say is it works. For me
personally that is astounding. Up until now I would have said I was a
hopeless case. Normally I have been too intelligent for any therapist
to help. I can outtalk them all. Ask so many probing questions about
what they are saying I run them ragged and make THEM angry! (without
meaning to also!) Redirecting my anger is just what this Dr. has order.
Dr. Ellie!
 
Please don't stop. I am behind you all the way!  S.
 
Thank God you are here and not in their care. I'm sure you read what happened to me in the Confessions of a Schizphenic story that tells what happened after I turned my will and life over to the care of the psychiatric profession. Sadly, they have toxic minds and are in desparate need of recovery.  Most are in denial.
 
Did you hear what happened in Nepal, where 2500 years ago Gautama, the Buddha, left his royal family after being forced into a marriage. He returned his fine clothes to his father, called his son an "impediment," and took off.

On a trip to Nepal my heart skipped a beat as I looked at the faces of the young children in the royal family in a museum photograph. They were without exception the faces of depressed, frightened, and angry children. I shuddered to think what would become of them. And recently we heard the shocking news that the crown prince of Nepal, unlike Gautama who fled from his royal family, took a machine gun and killed his parents, six other family members, and then turned the gun on himself. And within days the official news from Nepal was that the tragedy was accidental. If the devil has a name, it is Denial.

Ellie
 

#1050 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:00 pm
Subject: Instinctive Nutrition
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Some of you have been interersted in Instinctive Nutrition. This is the way I try to eat, not that I do it perfectly. But it has brought me many health benefits, including recovery from a lung tumor, from other disorders including bacterial infections, and freedom from physical pain. It would also speed recovery from the toxicosis in the nervous system. When you start eating foods that do not contain toxic non-nutrients, the body can get rid of junk it had to store up, including endogenous and exogenous toxins. Again, if you are interested I must include a disclaimer, and a caution about transitioning into this slowly.

There is a new website about instinctive eating and another book coming out in 2002: http://www.instinctive-living.com

Ellie
 


#1049 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:49 pm
Subject: Tom's Story
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Tom’s Story

"Dear Elnora, A woman Internet friend... told me about your website and I immediately latched on to your approach. I was born and raised Irish Catholic... in 1948, the youngest of 6 children. I've struggled with repressed anger all my life, in my case, though, the "gentle giant" whose physical size would strike fear in smaller people, yet whose inner fear and cowering was more like a small crying, little girl. I'm 6'3" and weigh 265 now. I discovered your work as the latest in an unfolding sequence of self-help therapies this year. From a bad experience with Zoloft this past January 3, I started down the road to recovery from antidepressants. I think your redirecting anger techniques provide the specific "talking back" to the cognitive disorders of negative thinking. I was especially pleased to read about you being at Bellevue on both sides of the fence as it were, patient and researcher.

I had actually once committed myself to Bellevue for a few days in 1971 when I was in the throes of LSD & marijuana flashbacks and having been beaten up by a new roommate who turned out to be a heroin addict, though he was on methadone at the time. I also experienced a brief but powerful time of primal therapy in NYC, enough to unleash the rage against my parents, but not enough to work it all out. My parents were never physically abusive, more the opposite, neglecting me emotionally and making me feel guilty because I was not beaten like so many of the other kids in my neighborhood. Anyway, I hope to find out specific ways I can deal with redirecting my anger, since I have a number of polar opposite issues from you, yet the terror and depression of inner events are the same." Tom

"Ellie, As you may remember, I experienced a taste of Primal Therapy ..in 1970-71 but did not complete it. I think I may have had 3 one hour sessions. But I did manage to get in touch with the rage I felt about my parents, and that is why, I believe, I took to your redirecting process as a duck takes to water. This morning, I had a real first hand experience of the difference between primal and redirecting. I was feeling really horrible this morning, ever since I woke up, but I was too tired to start redirecting and felt also that I could not cry. But then I suddenly fell into just wailing. I felt it as "dry grief" -- no tears, no mourning or weeping, just cold dry moaning/wailing. But then this escalated into actual screaming and I realized that I was doing a "primal scream," a la Janov. This went on for a few minutes. I walked around the house with a pillow, screaming into it with every breath. But I also felt like this was getting me nowhere. It almost started to get bor! ing, somewhat perfunctory, until I remembered that I should redirect this screaming.

Once I made that conscious decision, I felt myself back in my crib perhaps -- anyway, early childhood -- screaming at my mother and father to help me. But then I realized the anger and screamed "I hate you, Mom!" And then I felt that I may have been back in the hospital (I had pneumonia at 3 months of age and my mother says they had to put me in an oxygen tent in the hospital back then). So I screamed at the nurses and doctors. (I was also born a "blue baby" and I still need to redirect against the doctor who was late in delivering me and the inexperienced intern whom my mother says panicked when she was to deliver me and the doctor wasn't there).

So is this the crucial distinction between your approach and Janov's -- i.e., the fact that you focus on redirecting the anger which underlies the scream, whereas Janov just focuses on the screaming itself without redirecting to the source of that scream? I think it is very important that you write about the clear differences between Primal Therapy and redirecting since they are so close in many ways, yet it seems to be the real difference is the power of imagination we have, to picture our past abusers and to redirect at them. Now I get a real sense of the difference. With Janov, I assume, the patient is just left to scream out the primal scream without redirecting." Tom

Dear Tom, "Yes, that is the difference between the RST and primal therapy, but I believe Janov, and hopefully now others, probably do encourage their clients to direct anger toward parents during the primals. It is also not necessary to experience all the emotional pain by reliving the early trauma." Ellie

A Hurricane Detox

Dear Ellie, "I must describe a tremendous detoxification episode I went through last night -- actually, when I was awakened at 3 AM from a fitful sleep. It seems that my strongest detoxification events occur at this time when they interrupt my sleep. All week I had been leading up to it; I felt a lot of gut-churning grief and a few crying episodes over the whole abandonment mess with the two adult children of my 1st marriage, but I knew it was really a "soul nausea"-- a coming detox storm giving its warnings -- and that I was not yet ready to "throw up." But last night was the time to get it all out, and out it came! I refer to it as a "textbook" case of redirecting because I really experienced the difference between redirecting and merely having a primal. I was definitely having a primal, and I know you warn that people who self-primal run the risk of psychosis. Well, that was upsetting me as I started shaking while walking around the house in the dark.

I really felt I was going insane and I started to get really scared. I sensed my fear building up because of the thought I was crazy, which in turn magnified the fear into an ever-increasing positive feedback loop or "vicious cycle." I found myself standing and shaking and silently screaming. My arms were tense and I was slowly pushing them up and down in front of me as if I were trying to shed skin or get out of clothing that was hampering me. Later I had a sense that this was a traumatic birth experience -- I was a blue baby, being suffocated at the very time I should have been taking my first breath. Also I had pneumonia and was in an oxygen tent in the hospital when I was 3 months old, so I'm sure there was something related to that as well.

I was really freaking out as I shook more violently, until I remembered that I should redirect. At first I didn't know which target to pick, but I was so terrified it didn't matter, so I just started with the "usual suspects:" my mother father, doctors in the hospital, God, the Pope, the Catholic Church, etc. And the amazing experience was that as soon as I made the conscious decision to redirect, I was suddenly calm in the midst of this shaking, like a very calm eye in the middle of a hurricane. And I do intend a pun here, which we can only make in English, namely "eye" = "I". I was in the eye in the middle of my own toxic psychic hurricane, and as I was redirecting I really felt that I was separating myself from the detox symptoms that were overwhelming my physical body. In other words, up until the moment I decided to redirect I was allowing myself to be blown away by the hurricane. That is true insanity, or the path to true psychosis.

But once I started to redirect, I simply let the detox spasms take their course. If anything, they intensified because I was no longer inhibiting them. Imagine someone with Parkinson's really shaking to the point that they have to lie down because they are shaking so violently that they are losing their balance and can't stand up anymore. I then fell into the bed and was writhing. I was still completely silent, but inwardly screaming at my mother to come and pick me up, but she wouldn't come so I was angry at her. I became angry at other targets because this was a primal fear of abandonment I had to work through in order to experience the physiological memories of the actual abandonment I felt at birth, even in the womb.

As you say, Ellie, it doesn't matter if you pinpoint the exact primal event in your infancy or before. What matters is that you find the security of your own ego, your own I in the center of the detox hurricane. Once there, you are completely protected and I really felt the nakedness of my own being there, nothing but me, myself and I waiting calmly in the eye of the Hurricane Detox for the winds to run their course and finally die away. The sun has been shining brightly all day in my soul and giving me new confidence that when the next hurricane or tropical detox storm hits, I will simply redirect and ride it out as an observer in the middle of the hurricane "I". Tom

"Ellie, Your comment about relaxed shoulders is really important because in order to do the Parkinson-like shakes I had 2 weeks ago, my shoulders had to be tensed. I've had two more major detox events since "Hurricane Detox" and in the first one, I was not shaking at all but both arms were locked in paralyzing tension with my palms out and facing each other. I also had a fixed scowl or snarl on my face. Everything was quiet and still, but I was in a rage and redirecting. I looked in the mirror and saw this wild man look and I imagine it is very much like that of a sexual predator who lurks in the shadows waiting for his victim to come by. But as I redirected, it lessened and finally passed.

In the second episode, I started grunting, drooling, and this time my arms were completely relaxed. I was flapping them around like a spastic, acting like a monkey or a gorilla, but again my shoulders had to be tense in order to be the anchor point or fulcrum for my arms to be flapping so wildly. In the mirror, I saw myself as a drooling crazy on a mental ward somewhere.

Also, my partner noticed that my posture had gotten much more stoop-shouldered in the past few weeks and I do believe that the redirecting through these episodes is having the effect of getting my shoulders somehow to relax. I'm not there yet because I still feel tension there, but it would not surprise me if I have one last blowout detox episode where I will finally unlock what's still imprisoned there in my shoulders." Tom

"I feel that I reached a milestone of some kind at the end of 5 weeks. Since that time, i.e., in the last 2 weeks, I have definitely felt much more grief and much less anger. For example, yesterday, I had two really strong crying jags. The wailing and crying simply came out of me with no inhibitions whereas a month ago, when I redirected, I would feel good after it and then fatigued. I would feel grief but also knew that the grief was still buried and that I was not able to reach it.

Usually a day or two after a big redirecting episode back then, I would feel depressed, but there was also frustration involved because I knew my real grief was still buried and I could not cry -- except on rare occasions, maybe three times only in the first 5 weeks. But now the grief seems to have taken over center stage while the anger recedes into the background. And I'm beginning to get a sense of the difference between depression and sadness.

The depression is aptly called that; it has negative connotations because of the frustration that I felt in not being able to express my grief. But sadness has a more positive connotation because it feels so natural now to express my grief by crying. I guess that's the crux of the matter. Not being able to cry is an artificially imposed situation, imposed by the toxic state no doubt. It's not a natural state. Now, the frustration of the depression is gone because I can cry more freely. It feels more natural, more organic, more holistic, and ultimately, more me.

I get a real sense that buried under all these toxins is the real me who has been inhabiting this body and brain since at least conception in mother's womb. Who that person is, I still haven't a clue about, but nonetheless I feel that person is finally emerging after all these decades of living in a toxic waste dump. And that's also the ultimate source of the sadness. What a waste to have spent all these years imprisoned in a toxic waste dump that I am ultimately responsible or liable for -- not because I created it, but because I "owned the property," as it were, and I allowed all these people, mainly my parents, to turn my brain into a toxic waste dump. Yes, they are to blame, but also, they didn't know what they were doing.

The injunction of Christ is apropos here: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." But now I also realize that before we can get to the forgiveness stage, we have to clean up the toxic waste dump by redirecting. I do get intimations of real empathy toward my parents, who are liable through ignorance and negligence, but I also realize too that I will not be capable of forgiving them truly at all until I confront them by redirecting and clear out all these toxins they dumped onto me -- from their own toxic minds. Next installment, I want to focus on the changes in my cravings, addictions and compulsions as well as the tremendous insights I'm receiving daily into just how much I really "bought into" my parents' respective toxicoses and then behaved so codependently all these decades.

As you know, I had my first big redirecting episode back on June 23, in the wee hours of the morning, against my father whom I had always tried to please by eating all the food he would cook: heavy meat potatoes, grains, dairy, high sugar, etc. After redirecting I fell asleep for a while, but then woke up, made the ritual morning coffee, but as I put the cup to my lips, I had to put it down. I could not drink any more coffee, Pepsi, Coke and then I stopped eating grains and dairy and immediately started a diet of raw fruit, vegetables, berries, nuts and rare meat and raw fish (sushi) along with drinking a lot of spring water whenever I felt a hunger pang or craving for caffeine.

That diet revolution has stayed with me so far and I can really sense how important is changing diet to accelerating the process of releasing toxins. One of the great side effects of my diet change was the fact that once I got off grains and dairy, I overcame my allergies to non-citrus fresh fruits and some nuts. I really think that my consumption of grains, probably wheat gluten actually prevented me from eating fresh fruits in order to keep my system as toxic as possible. Not only am I eating much better, but I have also lost about 15 pounds. Prior to my discovery of your redirecting techniques my partner and I were discussing me joining a "Sexaholics" group to do something about my sexual addiction. Since I've been redirecting, my craving for sex has diminished greatly. I hardly ever think about it -- compared to my obsession with it before redirecting."" Tom

"Ellie, There seems to be a real definite sequence to my most recent detox episodes. As I described them, it started with Parkinson like shaking of my arms, then a tremendous tense up or locking of the arms, then a complete loosening with my arms flailing like a spastic. But all three of those episodes had tight shoulders as the anchor point or fulcrum. But the 4th and latest in this sequence focused on the shoulders themselves and I feel like I was re-experiencing my traumatic birth when my mother was told by an intern to hold me back so he could run and get the doctor. I was a blue baby, suffocating to death at my birth.

What I experienced in the detox episode was my shoulders completely hunched up as far up as they could go. I got the strong impression that this was how I was stuck in my mother's vagina, with my head presenting, but with my shoulders being tightly squeezed. I felt like I was stuck there for a long time. Then I started redirecting. I looked in the mirror and saw myself as the Hunchback of Notre Dame. I suddenly realized that, like Atlas, I had been carrying the weight of the world on my shoulders. I redirected against my mother, but then it extended to all the women in my life that came to mind. Everyone, sisters, ex-wives, women past and present. I was screaming at them all. That was the root of my misogyny and then it all came back to my mother. But from there, the redirecting went to the doctor and to the whole medical establishment which is these male dominant, patriarchal view of pregnancy as a disease as something horrifying, an ordeal that the male doctors impose on ! women. Then I suddenly realized that I was blaming my mother only because of her slavish submission to the authority of the male medical establishment. It was exactly the same as her submission to the Catholic Church.

After redirecting to her about that, I focussed on the doctors -- the whole medical establishment -- as arrogant and out of touch with reality as the Catholic establishment or any other religious establishment we have inherited from our past. I realized that I had been angry at my mother for her being such a doormat and literally rolling over and playing dead for them as I was in the process of being born! What a way to come into the world! I was so angry at her that I grew up and displaced all that anger onto all other women. Yet now I redirected THROUGH my mother to the doctors who hold that Godlike position over their patients. After that, my shoulders relaxed. I guess old Atlas finally shrugged, or at least relaxed and let the world roll off his shoulders. When it did, I also realized how guilty I had felt and that I dealt with my guilt over being angry at my mother but making sure I bore the world on my shoulders. That's why my posture had become so stooped lately.

In the past I had learned to force my shoulders back and to make myself stand up straight and tall, but that's not what my shoulders wanted to do. They always wanted to remain in that tense stooped position. I'm still not fully relaxed, but I imagine the next detox event may take care of that. Right now, and ion the last few days since this "Atlas" event, I have been feeling a bit woozy, as if I'm beginning to lose my balance and black out. I don't think it's a medical problem because I ran my 2 miles the other day with no problem, but I wonder if anyone has told you about symptoms like this. I sense it is the next layer in the detox process. It's centered in my head, as if I have a headache, but there's no pain, just a wooziness, as if I'm not getting quite enough blood up in my head.

It's like feeling fatigue or weariness, but I'm not tired or weary at all. If anything, I'm more alert and awake than ever. I wonder if it's my real self emerging from this dark cocoon that I've been wrapped in for so long. Again it's another case of me not identifying myself with whatever physiological or emotional symptoms are manifesting. That's the important point. Before, I would be consumed by fatigue, or consumed by depression, or consumed by some kind of repetition-compulsion activity, but now, it's like the negative habits are still there, but receding from my active real self. They have no power over me anymore, and of course they are reluctant to let go. It's almost like having a scab that is about ready to fall off. It still hurts to pick it, but given enough time, the scab just falls away when the healing is complete. There's a new "me" coming out, yet it's the same "me" that I was born with. Goddamn, this is a difficult process, and very all-consuming, but the! re's no going back! And after a full 3 months of redirecting now -- the whole summer of 2000 -- I wouldn't have it any other way! This is truly a rebirthing process and I think my shoulders have just emerged from behind my very large head. Hopefully, the rest of me should slide right out now and I will be able to relax my shoulders and walk upright like I was designed to do. Tom

 " Well, Ellie, call me Noah because I just launched my ark on the rising waters of the Toxic Sea. I've been waiting three days to make sure and I can say unequivocally that I am now post-flood. The rains came last Thursday with wailing and crying like never before and then it was over and I slept well that night and when I woke up Friday morning, I felt absolutely great. The storm had raged and finally passed. And that feeling has lasted for three days and I sense that it is permanent. It truly is the "peace that passeth understanding."
All I can say is: what a great relief to have detoxified this much. I feel unbelievably calm and serene. This is the real me that's been stuck down in there in my body for all these decades and now he's simply emerged. I don't get any sense that I have changed anything about myself at all. I haven't really changed a thing about my essential self. I simply got rid of all the blockages. It was like being in a prison. I feel like I've just been released from a 40 year prison sentence and there's a whole world outside there that I always knew existed, but could never connect with.
This morning, Monday, is the 4th day since my prison "release" and I must say that everything is how you described it, Ellie. Good memories of the past are staring to come back now, though, they are still but teasing intimations that only last a few seconds, but they are real, and most of
all they are connecting with me in the here and now. I sense that it is not enough to get the memories back, but also to reintegrate them into who and where I am now. The result is a feeling that my whole life makes sense, that there is and always has been an unbroken continuity in my self, in who I am, in who I always have been for all my 52 years since birth, a continuity that was fractured and compartmentalized by those toxic neurons. In thinking up more flood metaphors, besides Noah's Ark, I've also pictured the "flood" process as the locks in the Panama Canal. This is my first flood; I know it's not the last; but it is definite and I know it. I like the picture of the ships moving into a lock, and then the water is drained out and the ship moves down to the level of the next lock, so that it can finally make it to the other ocean. Somehow, I think of the Atlantic Ocean as the Toxic Sea (I did grow up in Manhattan, remember) while the Pacific Ocean is the calm, serene, well pacific, ocean of post-flood euphoria. However, I think the best metaphor of all is in your e-mail handle, Ellie. It's a "clear pathway" that I have finally carved out in my brain, in my soul. Everything is clear now; the process of redirecting and then expressing the grief and working through the depression is more aptly
described as hacking thorough the "neuron jungle" with a machete, cutting a pathway through until the pathway finally becomes clear. What's so amazing about this whole process is that it has transpired entirely over the Internet. There's a lesson there. The future is in the Internet and so is the healing of our souls --provided we accept the challenge given us by this overwhelming medium and work through the connections we develop with people through e-mail. It certainly accelerates our human interaction; so it's no surprise that the Internet will help accelerate our souls healing as well. Tom

I have used this technique for the last 8 months to great effect and I believe it is on the cutting edge of therapy for the 21st Century as it both fulfills and transcends traditional talk and insight therapies of the 20th Century --- mainly because it completely short-circuits the inherent codependency that arises whenever you have a therapist other than yourself! Thus the therapy works because you yourself are your own therapist. Moreover, it is free and I heard about it and used it entirely from connections with people over the Internet. Welcome to 21st Century psychotherapy!!!" Tom

 
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#1048 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:45 pm
Subject: Not angry with anyone...
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Hi Ellie,
I had written to you a while back about my anger towards my mother for
causing me to have the same issues with anxiety that she has.  I did a lot of
redirecting while thinking about her, and now my anger towards her has
subsided.  This was many months ago.  I thought maybe after I got all of my
anger towards her out of me, I'd feel better, but I don't and I don't know
what to do.  I don't feel as though I have any anger towards anyone else from
the past, so I don't know if I should be doing redirecting.  I'm depressed
and anxious almost all the time, I can barely leave the house, I'm so
panicky.  But, my question is--is redirecting something I can do if I'm not
angry with anyone in particular?  Can I just focus on my anger about this
anxiety and depression I feel?Thank you, K
 
If you are off any daily mood changing medications and if you are depressed and angry most of the time, you still have lots of repressed anger from early childhood. Yes, keep redirecting to your mother especially when you feel anxious even if you don't seem to feel angry at her when you feel anxious. If you start to redirect when you feel anxious it should help the anger surface. Reread the article about excitatory nervous symptoms and when to redirect. Try writing brief autobiography and focus on not just your mother, but father, and any others who may have caused you to suppress anger. I'm sure you had other people, relatives, teachers, ministers, and others who caused you to suppress anger. Redirect to them as well.
 
Ellie
 

#1047 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 2:44 pm
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Hi Ellie,
 
This may be a strange question but can this therapy be used with children?
Thanks.

 
 
Hi,
 Not a strange question at all. I wish I could get it to all children, but because of parental denial it's difficult.  Some therapists are using it with children. I hope they can get parental permission, maybe even written like surgeons do, to protect themselves from being sued if children temporarily get angry at parents in person.
 
I highly recommend to you Aletha  Solter's books, inlcuding Tears and Tantrums. Her website is:
 
 
She knows how to help young children get their anger out, which they can do when held by parents and encouraged to cry and rage. The parents may not realize the anger is being directed at them, but the babies know.! If you are using the RST yourself you will have no trouble helping your young children to do this when needed.
 
Ellie
 

#1046 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:46 pm
Subject: The muddy basin period
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I emailed last monday and said that I was no longer feeling the highs or having mood swings. You said that I was entering the post flood stage.
 
Now I just feel constant mild depression and when I re-direct anger, this has become less intense. I feel like a car type that has been more or less deflated with just the last drops of air to be forced out. It just seems like this is just dragging on slowly.
 
How long does it take to get through this stage on average into the perminant post flood stage. It just seems so frustrating and I'm trying everything I can to trigger more detox crisis. P
 
Hi,
I'm not sure why you should be having "constant" depression. It might be that you are not depressed but just missing the highs you used to get? Although if it is really depression, it's just a signal that more anger needs to come out. Post flood is not a sudden point of cure. I have tried to drop that expression.  I used it in the past in the same way Janov uses post-primal, meaning that there are no longer major primls, which are the same as detoxification crises. What I called the muddy basin period can be a long lasting adjustment period, during which you should have less intense detox crises, ie less intense and less frequent mood swings. But it is essential that you keep redirecting to avoid depression. It is especially important not to stuff your anger in current interactions.

Even when depression has pretty much lifted, your anger will be mix of anger related to childhood and anger triggered by the person in the current interaction. In time your anger will have less and less to do with the past and more to do with current interactions. You will need to continue to redirect anger to past abusers until your anger is only about the person in the current interaction. If you continue to have mood swings, this is a clear sign that anger needs to be redirected to past abusers.

There will always be reservoirs of noradrenaline that store anger in the brain, reservoirs whose levels will rise and fall periodically. For continuing emotional health it is necessary to recognize any excitatory nervous symptoms as signals of repressed anger and to direct the anger toward abusers, not in person, but using the self-therapy. When the anger triggered is primarily about the current interaction, it may be mild, and it is easy to suppress it. You will always need to process emotions in current interactions to prevent toxicosis and future symptoms.

Ellie
 

 
Ellie
 

#1045 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:14 pm
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Hello Ellie,
 
Thank you so much for responding to me w/ more info.  I assume one would
only want the grass that any animal one is to eat to not be treated w/ any
fertilizer, weed killer, etc....what about acid rain, polution, etc.  that
settles on grass, and the animal eats that ?  I always read that man was
like the ape, and the ape is vegetarian, and man should eat like it. Is that
incorrect ? R
 
Hi, yes, we have to put up with pollution and certainly can not avoid all toxins on this planet. What is nice about using the RST and reducing the toxicosis in the nervous system, is that then the nervous system can better do it's job of detoxing us daily and keeping us healthy. I believe we are headed back to the garden of Eden someday, and when everyone recovers emotionally and phsyically, they will take measures to restore our planet
 
I have read many books and research studies on the subject of our ancestors, and most have concluded that our ancestors were omnivores and ate both animal flesh and vegetables in their raw state. Early man was a scavenger and hunter. It was a sad day when man first used fire for cooking, and when I die I will ask God how come he/she let this happen??
 
 Also vegetarian diets are deficient in essentials like B12, and people who eat this way long term can become quite ill. Of course it is too soon to see whether the instinctive eating I now thrive on after years of sickness (I began it when I learned I had a lung tumor and didn't want to go the medical route) will prove to be the best way for all, but again I think we are headed back to this gardern of Eden way eating
 
You might enjoy some of the books and links to raw food I suggested. Again I must include a disclaimer about eating raw animal flesh, and hope if you are interested you will study the books, and transition into this very slowly. Nutrition is not my field, and I can only send you my own personal experience.
 
I can promise you if you use the RST you will lose the craving for junk food, and find it easier to eat a healthy diet, which may well include some cooked meat if you do not want to try it raw. You can always eat it rare. Progress, not perfection as someone reminded me....
 
BTW if some of you are getting double responses from me, my apologies, but I don't know if some of you are set to NoMail on the group, so I send to you and the group.
 
Ellie
 

#1044 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 3:25 pm
Subject: Grass-fed animals
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Date: Wed May 23, 2001 3:16 pm
Subject: Instinctive Eating
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Hello Ellie,
 
I am curious about the questions I asked concerning the taste
and chewability of some raw foods. R
 
Hi,
 You would really need to read some of the books I mention, especially Schaeffer's Instinctive Nutrition
 
Foods eaten instinctively taste delicious, that's the whole idea, that our taste determines what is needed. When you eat things cooked or in combination, your body cannot tell you what in those foods it wants. Eaten raw and as found in Nature you will get a taste change when your body doesn't need it anymore. As for chewy, I find some raw meats pretty chewy, and I chew on them until the taste changes and then spit out. This is not an easy way of eating in our polite society, but it's the way our early ancestors ate, also wild animals, and they seldom get our chronic diseases.

The problem with cooked food is that the more you cook something the more you convert the natural nutrients into toxins, which are addicting. So many people in my country are overweight, yet they are actually in a state of starvation on the standard American diet. If you are interested in eating all raw food, be sure to make this transition slowly. There are real hazards, like parasites, especially in the beginning until your immune system is in good shape. I read Fit for Life, by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond, which explains that physical symptoms are detoxification crises, and I followed their diet for a while. I had a lung tumor and did not want to go the medical route. I did a 15 day water fast, but don’t try this. I realize now I could have changed my diet without fasting. You might transition into instinctive eating from the Fit for Life diet or a high raw animal fat diet recommended by Aajonus Vonderplanitz in We Want to Live,(http://www.odomnet.com/live-food/index.htm) Cooking animal fat increases carcinogenic substances in the meat.

I eat all raw instinctively according to Severen L. Schaeffer’s book, Instinctive Nutrition. Eating instinctively means eating all foods in their raw natural state unmixed with other food, sort of garden of Eden style. As Schaeffer says, "what we want (that occurs in nature) is what we need." What smells and tastes good the body needs. Schaeffer’s book is based on Anopsology, by Guy-Claude Burger, who first developed instinctive eating (http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7627/english.html). You might also read: Maximize Immunity, Bruno Comby (http://www.comby.org/ ) and: Instinctive Eating, Zephyr (http://www.pangaia.cc/review.html ).

After you eat something for a while you may get a stop signal when the body no longer needs it. What does not taste good the body does not need at this time. Natural foods selected by smell and taste alone have been used to treat many conditions, including heart disease, arthritis, diabetes, and cancer. And eating this way will speed the detoxification process in the brain. There are a number of raw food lists you could join if you search the Internet.

Whether you cook meat and fish, eat it rare, or start eating it raw, try to get meat from pastured animals, that is, grass fed rather than grain fed animals and get wild fish rather than farm raised. Grain fed animals and farm raised fish have flesh that is more toxic and more prone bacteria. As evidence for this you can easily age grass-fed meat or wild fish, without it going bad from bacteria. Our early ancestors were very likely adapted to this aged meat since they were scavengers.

There is now evidence based on fat content that it is healthier to eat meat from grass-fed (not grain-fed), antibiotic and hormone-free animals. The ratio of omega-6 fatty acids to omega-3 fatty acids in grain-fed meats is anywhere from 10:1 to 20:1 (or more) in favor of omega-6's. This balance is corrected in pasture-fed/foraging animals to a range of 4:1 to 1:1 omega-6's to omega-3's. The same holds true for eggs as well. The egg of a chicken raised on grain has a ratio of 20:1 omega 6's to omega-3's. Chickens that are true foragers produce eggs with ratios in the range of 2:1 to 1:3 6's to 3's. It is only since animals became grain-fed that we have implicated saturated fat as the basis for many diseases and disorders.

There are some sources of pastured animal food on the Internet.

In the USA: http://www.mercola.com/beef/health_benefits.html

In Canada: instinct@... (British Columbia, phone: 250 653 9122).

In Europe: http://www.orkos.com (Germany, phone: 0 800 999 888 1)

Recovered persons are likely to continue to get physically sick unless they switch to mostly natural foods. I’m happy to say all my physical ailments--and I had many--have cleared up. I no longer get colds or any other acute disorders, only minor detox crises from time to time. But don’t forget to make any transition to raw food slowly. I’ve been eating this way so long now, I don’t worry about bacteria. Germs don’t survive in healthy bodies. People who eat raw food, even if they get an HIV virus, don’t get AIDS. And my weight has been stable for almost two years, no matter what I eat. There is a nice passage in the Koran, "Gardens of Eden into which they shall enter; rivers shall flow beneath their shades; all they wish for shall they find therein!"

 
Stay Well,
Ellie
 

#1042 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 10:31 pm
Subject: Food & other therapies
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I have to say, it's kind of amazing the way my tastes and diet have changed
over the past 5 months or so.  I used to eat lots of diary foods and really
liked drinking LOTS of whole milk, all my life.  (Most people I know were
very grossed out by how much whole milk I drank.)  :)
 
Somewhere along the line, I found that I no longer craved such large doses
of diary foods, and now I can barely stomach large doses of whole milk.  (I
still drink whole milk, but about one glass 4 or 5 days, and use it for
cereal.)
 
I now naturally want more vegetables and less carbohydrates.  Also, I never
ate much red meat, but I find I eat it even less than I used to.  However, I
still can't get into the whole "raw foods/raw vegetables" thing...I really
like my foods cooked or at least somewhat cooked.
 
I never ate much junk food, but I find that it's lost even more of what
little appeal it had for me.
 
But I think it is significant that I genuinely crave healthier foods, as
opposed to someone who doesn't crave the healthier foods but tries to force
themselves to eat better because they know they should.  It's interesting
how natural and not forced the inclination is.
 
I take this as a sign that the toxicity is slowly leaving my body, and
clearing out my system.
 
Questions on other possible adjacent and/or supplemental treatments:  Reiiki
and biofeedback.  Have you had any experience of either?  What do you know
about these?  They would seem to complement the redirecting, in terms of
clearing the emotional/neural pathways and clearing the body's energy.
 
TW
 
 
Yes, you are less likely to crave foods like these, and can make a conscious decision to eat healthier food. Even if you have some of these foods from time to time, your nervous system is better able to detoxify those substances in them that are non-nutritous.
 
You may find you like red meat after a while, rare, if not raw.....Try some Sushi if you're game. Raw fatty fish is especially good for the brain.
 
As for other therapies, the toxic mind theory supports most of these if they help people release emotions. There are so many other therapies that are useful along with the RST, that I have not studied them and so can't comment on them.
 
Stay well,
Ellie
 

#1041 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 6:09 pm
Subject: Redirecting in dreams
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I have a question -- I'm curious to know if things like this have happened
to others with depression who are doing the redirecting.  I'm not able to do
the physical redirecting very often -- I haven't felt the impetus/motivation
to.  I'm on a very low dosage of an antidepressant and am receiving
biofeedback for my major depression, which has now lasted over 9 months (my
fifth major depression in as many years, unfortunately; they seem to happen
roughly annually, and evidence does not point to it being SAD or light
deprivation in the seasonal sense).
 
I had a dream recently in which I was raging at my father, who was
pressuring me to just "snap out of" my depression.  His obstinacy drove me
up the wall (as he was the proverbial "brick wall" and could not be reasoned
with), and I yelled and screamed at him.  In the dream, I could feel the
physical reactions in my body to the anger (shortness of breath, tightness
in the chest, adrenaline up).  I have no idea whether these physical
reactions were ACTUALLY happening in my body while I was having the dream,
but I would imagine that my body must have been manifesting these reactions
during such an emotionally intense, charged dream.
 
This is especially interesting since both my father and my mother have been
just terrific and supportive during my depressions; the first time I got
depressed they weren't so supportive, but that was just because they didn't
know what depression truly was or how to deal with it.  They have made the
effort to learn what it really is and are 100% supportive.
 
In fact, my relationship with my parents has been wonderful in the past 4
years, and, ironically enough, I owe this improvement all to the depressions
I went through (which of course, were caused by my parents' physical and
emotional abuse of myself).  They have truly matured and grown as people,
emotionally and spiritually, and I can honestly say that for the past 4
years, my parents and I have considerable, real love and intimacy, which I
never shared with them in my first 25 years of life.
 
Anyway, it is clear that my father is no longer agitating me in the present
or telling me to just "snap out of it."  But clearly, the dream is telling
me that I am still furious with my father's sickness and hurtful anger in
the past.  Which made me think of the whole concept of redirecting.  My
parents are no longer hurting me in the present, but clearly I still have to
"settle accounts" with them (or the sickness in them, more accurately) for
past behavior -- to clear out the clearly considerable emotional toxicity in
my body (repressed anger and rage).
 
The next morning, when I remembered the dream, it occurred to me that I've
had many such dreams before, even when my parents were being loving and
supportive in the present.
 
Have you heard of this happening before?  And do you think toxins were being
released, even though it was only a dream?  Can the body have the physical
reaction of redirecting even though your physical body is not yelling and
thrashing about in reality?  I tell you, that dream was so powerful, I feel
like my body MUST have been experiencing the redirecting on a very primal
level, even though I wasn't pounding the bed, jumping around, etc. (I was
asleep in bed!).  But I know that the body does manifest physical changes in
reaction to dreams (i.e. heart rate going up during a scary dream).
 
Just wondering what you've heard about this, if anything.  Thanks for your
support and the messages.
 
TW
 
Yes indeed, you were having an intense and effective healing detoxification crisis, a detox of neurochemicals that store represssed anger in your brain. When you wake up from such a dream do some pouding on the bed. All of those reactions were real and a part of increased nervous activity during the dream. You were redirecting anger during the dream. Even though your parents are loving and supportive, I'm sure they caused you to suppress justifiable anger as a child. Remember, you are only getting angry at the memories of their early behavior stored in you brain, not at their present day behavior. Suggest you reread the articles and try to increase using the RST. You need to use it even more intensely when on an antidepressant, which will fool you into thinking you don't need it. 
Ellie

#1040 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 10:19 am
Subject: No more "highs"
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I understand all people are different but when I now realease anger, I am finding that I no longer feel the highs, just mild headaches and very mild depression.
 
When someone is getting closer to post flood, should they be feeling more highs or what I am sayng or is it immpossible to say ?
 
Thankyou P
 
Hooray for you, yes as you become post flood you will definitely feel fewer highs. Here is something about the "highs" from my  book draft.

"Some of you may think you are cured during these "highs." Others may be concerned about getting addicted to anger, or more accurately to the "high" that follows a detoxification crisis. This is not possible because there is a slow withdrawal of the nordrenaline. As you continue the redirecting therapy, the amount of noradrenaline released from the reservoirs will be less and less, and you will feel less of a "high" after each detoxification crisis."

Ellie

 


#1039 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 10:08 am
Subject: Passing on the RST
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Dear Ellie,
               I was interested in the letter you posted a few days ago from the women who used Sarnos technique from his book The Mindbody Prescription, (TO CURE HER BACK PAIN) I wanted to say that that was how I finally got rid of IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome). I think it took a combination of the RST and the Sarno book to cure me. Even though your theories are different perhaps its possible that they are both correct. I am still very excited about the changes that have occured with me over the last six months, physical and mental. I hope you will post this as an encouragement to others. I  have tried to post this information on a couple of IBS sites but  hardly anyone responded and some that did got mad and said that it was dangerous to suggest that it could be an emotional problem. I wonder if more people would listen to me if I had some kind of credentials ? I ! have thought about a counseling degree, but I'm afraid I would have to learn a lot of information I would never use. Do you think that if you were not retired that you would go into counseling?I am trying to think about the best way to pass along this information. Even though  Sarno is an M. D. with plenty of credentials, he says that very few docrtors are interested in his theories. It would be such a shame if your research and others like yours does not  get into the mainstream  and soon. C.
 
Hi,
The toxic mind theory is true and supports many other theories, which have some, although not all, of the truth. That theory mentioned for back pain is accurate in part, but doesn't explain the whole situation, which the toxic mind theory does.
 
I doubt if a counseling degree would teach you anything. The tmt is so new that it is not yet taught in academic places, although I'm pleased to see a couple of colleges have put my sci. paper on their biology course reading lists. Have you read the sci paper? It would be a better background for you than any formal counseling courses, if you are interested in passing on the RST.
 
I have all the credentials needed, but people still don't listen because they are in denial about their need for help. My former colleagues in psychiatry and medicine have aknowleged the truth of my theory but are in personal denial, so they ignore me, even tried to get my sci paper kept off the NYU university web sites.
 
I have no reason to go into counseling, this is self-therapy and the best way for me to work is as I am, ie to offer it to others and share my own and others experiences. It's kind of like 12-step work. In fact ACA is making a pamphlet which will reach millions someday.
 
It will take a long time for this to be accepted mainstream. Each professional would have to recover himself. There are a few who have, but not many. There are three stages for new and true sci discoveries, 1. ridicule, 2. discussion, 3 acceptance...The tmt is still in 1.
 
Best way for me and you too, to pass it on is just to offer the pamphlet or my websites to others, then let go. It plants a seed even in those still in denial. Have you looked at the Endorsements on: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26/testp.html
 
Exciting news from the Czech Republic. I think God has plans for this to reach prisoners first, then outside so that nations can heal.
 
Ellie
 


#1038 From: "Elnora Van Winkle" <clearpathway@...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 9:39 am
Subject: Ways to Release Anger
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Ways to Release Anger

Pound on a bed with your fists and yell. Use a bataka bat or tennis racket to spare your fists.

Avoid using knives or dangerous weapons that might set up patterns in your mind or cause you to injure yourself.

Roll up a towel, beat the bed, and scream. Muffle your voice if you have neighbors.

Take a pair of jeans, hold it by the ankles, and whack the hell out of your bed.

Yell, scream, shriek into a pillow in the closet if necessary, or yell in the shower.

Put on heavy gloves and pound on the wall, or hit a punching bag.

Throw things at the wall, not random things, safe things like pillows.

Kick a ball around the room. Kick the air.

Slam doors, cupboard doors, or drawers.

Rip cloth or paper to shreds.

Put work gloves on to avoid paper cuts and tear up a phone book. Yell while you tear.

Take pages out of a magazine, tear them in half, and throw them around the room.

Do a dance of anger.

Scrub the floor.

If you can't sleep or wake up with a scary dream, pound your fists on the bed until you relax.

Stomp your feet when you walk.

Kick a rock down the street.

Run, ride a bike, or do other hard physical exercise.

Weed the garden, the lawn, and anything else in sight.

Bang on a tree, pick up a branch, break it, and throw it on the ground.

Watch a slapstick comedy that makes you laugh.

When you are in public try to find a private place like a restroom stall and pound on the wall. You may need to redirect anger to past abusers quietly in your mind. If you are in an office, throw a crumpled ball hard into a wastebasket. Break a pencil in two. Jab a ball-point pen through a piece of paper. Tighten your fists.

Mentally talk to past abusers. Say to those parental voices still in your head, "shut up," or, "get out of my head," or "I hate you." If you are comfortable with strong language, use it.

Write letters or compose e-mail messages to parents and other past abusers--then tear up the letters or delete the e-mail.

Play pinball, or if you can find it, there is game at some arcades where these little guys pop up and you are supposed to whomp 'em.with a mallet as fast as you can.

Go bowling and visualize the pins as past abusers. Find games like this on the Internet--there is one called the Elfbowl game.

Go to a baseball practice range and think of past abusers when you hit the ball.

Go to a cemetery and pound on a grave.

If you are at an airport, stand outside where the planes are revving their engines and getting ready to take off. Yell. No one will hear you--you won't even be able to hear yourself.

 
Ellie
 


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