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Loneliness

A response to my saying, 'when post-flood you will never feel lonely
again.'

Ellie,
I have been suppressing this response for a while but here goes:
According to
me, the above is panacea-type thinking. Yet another Extreme. "You will
NEVER
feel lonely again." To me it feels like grandiosity. Is uncertain life
(life
without adherence to one theory, one guru, etc.) really like this? I
don't
believe so. Your theory makes much sense and is definately worth testing
out
on one's own (which is what I am doing with my punching bag) but it is
not
THE end-all theory, the ONE ANSWER. I am so sick of "if you just do
this, you
will NEVER feel lonely or fearful or WHATEVER AGAIN" Also, I am a little

suspicious of the way this list is set-up (everything filtered thru you,
with
you as the authority/guru of re-directing). It doesn't feel very
democratic
to me.
Obviously, you've pushed my buttons. I'll save you telling me that my
anger
should really be directed towards my parents (the original gurus).
You're
right. I will have a go at the punching bag later re: this
authority/obediance issue. But I believe you need to hear this, too.
Still your friend?,
Maury

In an attempt to be democratic, I am posting your comments to the list
(smiles). I have set up the list this way for several reasons. It is not
necessary to interact with others on the list to use the measures. I
don't wish to be repetitive on this list, but to offer it as one way to
recover, a way that has been shown to be faster than some of the other
methods. I also wish to keep everyone anonymous on the list. I would
rather not put on the list opinions that are not born out by the
biology. I don't really have time to put everything on the list. Perhaps
I will eventually put the testimonials on my web page and not have a
list. But I find it is a way to attract people and to be more helpful.

It has never been my intention that the self-help measures are the only
way, and I've made this very clear, and also that I am not a guru and
very much learning from your experience and that of others. But I do
claim knowledge of the biology of emotions, and upon this is based some
of the claims I make. You will find these same claims made by others who
are post-flood (post-primal, post-therapy, 'cleared' by dianetic
therapy). The theory is scientifically valid and supports primal
therapy, experiential therapy, Janov, Miller, Jensen, Stettbacher, the
dianetic therapy of Scientology, and many others.

Someone told me Alice Miller was self-centered and autocratic. Anyone
who stands up at a 12-step meeting and tells their story and claims
sobriety might be considered the same. I also read that when someone has
discovered a truth they come across as arrogant. I understand I can come
across this way. What can I say--I am not perfect or fully recovered
myself-- of course I cannot claim such a thing. But the biology I have
discovered is true, the self-help meausres do work and work rapidly if
used consistently, and I am post-flood, or post-primal in Janov's
sense, and my addictions are gone, at least 99% gone (As for any
flood--in this case the flood of excess neurotransmitters in the
brain--there is no 100%.) This means I don't crave people in a
co-dependent sense, i.e. I am not lonely, even when alone. Co-dependency
is an addiction, the basic addiction upon which all other addicitons are
based, and addictions cease post-flood or certainly after the muddy
basin period I speak of. The feelings of lonliness I refer to are a
craving for co-dependencies. Of course we all want and need people, but
not in the co-depentent sense. If I had written 'you will not be
lonely', instead of 'you will never be lonely' would that have been
better (more smiles)? I'm not perfect about how I say things and one
other nice thing I claim about being post-flood is that I am no longer a
perfectionist .

You mention fear also. When I read your message I had a twinge of fear,
part of my restored fight or flight response, but it disappeared right
away as I realized I could reply to what you said and defend myself. The
freedom from fear I speak of post-flood is a freedom from the intense
neurotic fear that gripped me for 60 plus years. My life was one long
panic attack. Should I not offer freedom from this to others?

Of course we are friends. When are you sending me your picture to pin up
on my bulletin board of post-flood friends.
Ellie


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Sun Sep 5, 1999 12:38 pm

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... first ... Ellie Hmmm. This is interesting because I was desperately lonely all my life until the Christmas of 1996 after I got the restraining order...
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A response to my saying, 'when post-flood you will never feel lonely again.' Ellie, I have been suppressing this response for a while but here goes: According...
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PS I want to add something imporant I left out on this subject--you see how imperfect I am (smiles). When I said post-flood people are not lonely, this was not...
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