Namaste Bhikkuji, and thanks for the knowledgeable reply. I shall
place my comments in capitals, interspersed with your remarks. OK? -
Dr. Jhani Picasso

From: Kumaara Bhikkhu <venkumara@...>
Date: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:58 am
Subject: Urine Therapy in Tipitaka {Re: [shivambu] THE MEDICINE
BUDDHA} venkumara

At 10:11 AM 11-07-05, hermeticscience wrote:
>Namaste, Bhikkhuji. Awhile back, I was told that there was a group of
>Buddhists in Taiwan, who drank their own urine and had a scriptural
>quote in which the Buddha recommended that urine be one's only
>medicine. I went to a website where the entire Tipitaka in English
>was online, with a "search" function, so I searched for "urine", and
>found indirect reference to urine as a medicine, but not the passage
>in which the Buddha actually recommended it.

That website does not have "the entire Tipitaka in English"; just a
relatively
small portion of it.

Here's an English translation of the relevant part of the Theravadin
post-ordination "admonition".

"Fermented urine as medicine" I AM SURE THAT FERMENTED URINE OR
PUTRID URINE WOULD PROBABLY BE TOXIC FOR DRINKING BUT EXCELLENT ONLY
FOR RUBBING. I STILL BELIEVE THE BUDDHA TAUGHT BOTH URINE THERAPY AND
URINE TANTRA. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ENTIRE CENTURIES PASSED BEFORE THE
DEADHEAD "DISCIPLES" EVEN BOTHERED TO WRITE DOWN HIS WORDS, AND, BY
THAT TIME, IT WAS TOO LATE TO RECALL A PRECISE RENDERING OF
SIDDHARTHA'S TEACHINGS. IF ONE OVERLOOKS THE MENTION OF "FERMENTED",
WE HAVE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION FOR URINE THERAPY. THIS CORRECT
RENDERING IS QUITE GOOD: "...URINE MEDICINE AS A SUPPORT.. FOR THE
REST OF YOUR LIFE, YOU ARE TO ENDEAVOR AT THAT." THEN, HE LISTS THE
SUPPLEMENTS WHICH CAN BE TAKEN DURING THIS LIFE-LONG URINE
FAST: "GHEE, FRESH BUTTER, OIL, HONEY OR SUGAR (OR MOLASSES)." MILK
AND JUICES ARE ALSO GOOD. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS URINE AND
SUPPLEMENTS, THE DISCIPLE WOULD BE "BREATHARIAN". THIS TEACHING IS
EXACTLY IDENTICAL WITH THAT OF JESUS! THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IN
BUDDHA'S EMPHASIS ON MEDITATION, WHICH JESUS PROBABLY THOUGHT WOULD
COME NATURALLY AFTER THE ASPIRANT ACHIEVED "SHAKTI PAT" (KUNDALINI OR
HOLY SPIRIT) FROM THE UNION OF THE MAHAYANA "PRAJNA AND UPAYA" OR
MALE AND FEMALE. wE HAVE SEEN THAT THE WORLD WANTS TO FORGET URINE
THERAPY AND LOVES TO REJECT URINE TANTRA, SO, BY THE TIME THESE
IGNORANT DISCIPLES WROTE THINGS DOWN, URINE HAD ONLY A PASSING
REFERENCE OF A MERE FEW LINES. DID NOT THE BUDDHA HIMSELF SAY THAT
THE TRUE DHARMA WOULD LAST ONLY 500 YEARS? - DR. J.
"Going-Forth has fermented urine medicine as its support. For the
rest of your
life you are to endeavor at that. Nonetheless, if given medicine,
such as ghee,
fresh butter, oil, honey, or sugar, you are also allowed to accept
it."


I'm also intrigued by the "fermented" bit. The original Pali actually
has that,
i.e., "putti" (which might be related to the origin of the English
word
"putrid"). Care to comment? A BIT OF SAD HUMOR MIGHT BE THAT THE
SANGHA HAD BECOME A "PUTTI PUTA", BECAUSE THE BHIKKUS HAD PREVENTED
THE RECORDING OF BUDDHA'S TEACHINGS FOR CENTURIES, IN ORDER TO
MONOPOLIZE TRUTH, SO THAT THEY MIGHT OBTAIN MONEY AND POWER FROM THE
NOW TWISTED TEACHINGS OF THE GREAT ONE. ALL SUCH PUTRID PUTAS ARE NOT
FIT TO BE DISCIPLES OR TEACHERS OF DHARMA, WHICH WOULD HAVE FARED
MUCH BETTER HAD SCRIBES BEEN WITH BUDDHA TO IMMEDIATELY WRITE DOWN
HIS WORDS. - DR. J.

Also, there is no mentioning of whether it be from a human (which is
of course
more convenient) or animal, thus the varied interpretations among
current
Buddhist communities. YES, COW URINE IS EVEN BETTER KNOWN THAN HUMAN
URINE. AYURVEDA DOES NOT USE URINE THERAPY (BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY
IN IT), BUT STILL USES COW URINE. IN THE END, ONE MUST ASK, NOT IF
THE BUDDHA TAUGHT IT, BUT SIMPLY "IS IT TRUE?" I HAVE SHOWED YOU WHAT
EVIDENCE (A LOT OF IT!) I CAN FIND TO VERIFY URINE TANTRA, BUT IF ONE
IS NOT INTERESTED IN THIS POSSIBILITY, HE IS CERTAINLY NOT MY
DISCIPLE, AND HAS NIXED HIS CHANCES FOR BOTH NIRVANA AND SURVIVAL. -
DR. J.



>I was attracted more to Mahayana for its Tantras, and I am the first
>to suggest that Tantra, when stripped of all its symbolic jibberish,
>is really another form of Urine Therapy, but obviously for a man and
>woman together. For this reason, I was searching for any reference to
>urine fasting by the Buddha in the Tipitaka.

I'm not very familiar with Mahayana or Tantrayana. But from what I've
learnt
from a book by David Frawley (who is recognised as a Vedic guru even
by Indian
scholars), the sex bit Tantrayana is but a very lowly form of
Tantrayana as a
whole, but it has been over-exaggerated by certain people to the
point that now
the word "tantra" commonly has a rather perverted connotation.

DAVID FRAWLEY HAS SEVERAL FLAWS. FIRST, "HE IS RECOGNIZED AS A VEDIC
GURU EVEN BY INDIAN SCHOLARS". I HAVE LIVED IN INDIA AND HAVE LITTLE
RESPECT FOR THEIR MODERN VEDIC "SCHOLARS". EXCEPT FOR ME, TANTRA IS
UNIVERSALLY THOUGHT OF AS "SUPERIOR FORNICATION" BY A WORLD OF
IDIOTS. NOBODY IN MODERN TIMES HAS EVEN TRIED RASA TANTRA. IF I HAD A
SHAKTI MA, I WOULD TRY IT MYSELF, BUT I AM SURROUNDED BY INSULTS AND
THE MOST BESTIAL OF UNBELIEVERS, NOT EVEN FIT FOR DISCUSSING ANYTHING
REGARDING DHARMA. - DR. J.

To my knowledge, there's no Tipitaka reference to any way of using
urine. OH REALLY?! YOU HAD BETTER READ YOUR OWN MESSAGE AGAIN.

kb


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