When God became Man
Isaiah 720 BC, Psalms 1000 BC, Micah 620 BC......Twenty Prophecies
fulfilled in His First Coming


How do you know it is true???  Buried inside the Ancient Hebrew
writings (Old Testament) written  hundreds and some over a thousand
years BC is the foretelling of what would take place when God became
man.  This is how you know it is true.  The prophecies were very
specific and told exactly when and where God would come to earth.
The New Testament (written in Greek after the death of Christ)
confirms these truths.
He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:4-
6; John 7:42)
The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the
decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (Daniel
9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)
He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:20-23;
Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)
His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means "Savior"
or "Salvation." The word Yeshua in Hebrew means "salvation." It is
derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means "to save,
deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory." (Matthew 1:21)
He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.
(Psalm 89:26-27; 2 Samuel 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews
1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; John 20:30-31)
He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;
Matthew 2:13-15))
He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known
as John (Yochanan) the Immerser [Baptist]) who would prepare the way
of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; Matthew 11:7,10
He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;
2 Corinthians 8:9)
He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah
9:9; Matthew 21:5)
He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew
26:14-16)
He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;
John 19:18; 20:25)
He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1 Peter
2:24)
He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 26:67, 27:30)
He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;
Matthew 27:34,48)
Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; John 19:33,36)
He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34,37)
He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; John 18:33,37;
19:19-22)
His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts
2:27,31; 13:33-35)
He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts 2:27-
31; 13:35)
He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1
Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; Matthew 12:40)

Websites for your home studies....
Rapture study
http://www.ldolphin.org/raptpromise.html

A series of studies on the book of
Daniel....end times, prophecies, etc.

http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/daniel/index.html

Studies on Revelation....
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/revelation/index.html

Olivet Discourse......
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/olivet/index.html

Israel....birth pangs
http://www.ldolphin.org/odino.html

http://www.pbc.org/

http://www.ldolphin.org/

http://www.levitt.com/

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/king.html

http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/adventure/0241.html

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/index.asp

www.blueletterbible.org

http://www.ldolphin.org/kingdom/index.html

http://www.ldolphin.org/URLres.shtml

God does not ask that people believe in Him without evidence....He
uses many
forms of knowledge to demostrate who He is.  One of these is
prophecy.
Thousands of years ago God spoke to the prophets of Israel to tell
them He
was coming to earth.  He told them where and when and under what
conditions
and that He would suffer and die so that man could be saved.  The
fact that
Jesus was a man is a historical fact.  We know He lived, just as we
know Nero
and Alexander the Great lived.  The Bible is divided into two
parts...the Old
Testament and the New.  The Old Testament was written in
Hebrew....the last
book was written approximately four hundred BC.  The New Testament
was
written in Greek from after Christ died primarily by eye witnesses.
We know
the Old Testament existed long before Christ due to the discovery of
the Dead
Sea Scrolls and the historical fact that the Jews built temples and
taught
from the scrolls.  Following are just a few of the prophecies
contained in
the Old Testament that Christ ( the Messiah, the Savior) was coming.
The
entire Bible is the revelation of God, of Christ.  Prophecy is the
prediction
of a future event.  It is given by God to prove who He is.  There are
literally hundreds of prophecies in the Bible, dealing with the past
that has
proven correct but also future events yet to happen.


Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of
Jerusalem:
behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having
salvation; lowly,
and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

In Zecariah (spelling)..the prophet foretold that Zion's (Israel)
King would
come riding an ass.  I find this one of the most interesting from
several
aspects.  First, the King, would offer salvation, eternal life.
Second,
notice that He will be riding the colt of an ass.  No King in history
rides a
donkey, it just doesn't happen.  They always rode stallions.  Also
notice
that it is the colt of an ass.  A colt has never been broken, an
unbroken
horse will buck you off.  Also notice that He will ride into
Jerusalem.  Now
we know that Christ rode into Jersusalem on Palm Sunday before His
execution.
  He was riding a colt of an ass.  When He rode in many common people
(but not
the religious leaders) yelled Hosanna (this means save us).  Zecariah
was
written hundreds of years before the event.


Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among
the
thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me
[that is]
to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old,
from
everlasting.

Micah is a very small book in the Old Testament.  Notice in this
prophecy
several things...first it tells where  Christ will be
born....Bethlehem was a
tiny city...it says the King will come from this town...it also says
something very interesting..His goings forth have been from old, from
everlasting...why, becasue Christ is God, He existed before the
universe was
created.  If you look in the New Testament Joseph and Mary had to
travel to
Bethlehem before He was born.


'Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a
virgin
shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah was written about 720 BC.  This prophecy spells out that a
virgin
would give birth to a son.  The name Immanuel in Hebrew means "God
Amoung
You".  The name Jesus is from Greek translation.  In Hebrew, Jesus's
name was
Yeshua which meant "Jehovah saves".  There is a reason God had to
come into
the world thru a virgin...not just as a miracle sign.  Each man is
born from
the "seed" of another man..the blood of that man transmits the sin of
his
father....what we call original sin....it is in all of us...you don't
have to
teach a child to lie.

Behold, my servant shall prosper,
   he shall be exalted and lifted up,
   and shall be very high.
As many were astonished at him --
   his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance,
   and his form beyond that of the sons of men --
so shall he startle many nations;
   kings shall shut their mouths because of him;
for that which has not been told them they shall see,
   and that which they have not heard they shall understand. {Isa
52:13-15 RSV}

Again Isaiah...notice that God's servant, the Christ, is foretold.
Notice it
says He will be lifted up...as Chirst was lifted up on the Cross.
Notice
that He is foretold to be beaten to point that people are astonished
and that
His face was to be beaten until you couldn't tell who He was.  Notice
that,
not the Jews, but the rest of the world will understand who He is.

Who has believed our report?
   And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For he grew up before him like a young plant,
   and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or comeliness that we should look at him,
   and no beauty that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by men;
   a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
   he was despised, and we esteemed him not. {Isa 53:1-3 RSV}

Isaiah again...notice Christ was not a man people would think was
beautiful
or a King.  It was foretold in 720 BC that He would be
rejected...that He
would see grief...that He would be despised.

.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou
suffer
thine Holy One to see corruption.

The Psalms were written in about 1000 BC.  This prediction says that
God will
not leave Christ's soul in Hell....or see corruption..rot.  His body
would
not rot.  Notice it says thine Holy One, the Savior.  Now this also
foretells
something else...that the Savior would have to die...as He
did......if you
study carefully in the New Testament you will see that Christ "gave
up His
spirit".  He was not killed as you and I think of being killed...He
chose to
die...if He had wished...He could still be hanging there today.


Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have
inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the
inhabitants
of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they
shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth
for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in
bitterness for [his] firstborn.

These two prediction come from Psalms and Zechariah...notice that
they
foretell a number of things which had to happen....first His hands
and feet
had to pierced..they were when nailed to the cross...notice also that
the
Jews will someday (when He returns) see him and mourn for the one
they
pierced...this refers to the fact that Christ had a spear thrust into
him on
the cross to make sure He was dead.  Remember all these writings are
hundreds
of years before Christ came.


Zec 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give [me] my price;
and if
not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty [pieces] of
silver.
Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a
goodly price
that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty [pieces] of
silver, and
cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Back to Zechariah...this foretells Christ being sold out for thirty
pieces of
silver.  If you look in the New Testament you will see that Judas
sold him
out to the Romans for exactly thirty pieces of silver and then the
money was
later thrown potter.  Only God could foretell such a small detail of
His
betrayal hundreds of years before it happened.

Websites for your home studies....

Rapture and Return
http://www.ldolphin.org/kingdom/ch14.html
http://www.ldolphin.org/kingdom/ch4.html
http://www.ldolphin.org/Return.html
http://www.ldolphin.org/raptpromise.html
A series of studies on the book of
Daniel....end times, prophecies, etc.
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/daniel/index.html
Studies on Revelation....
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/revelation/index.html
God's Calendar
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/leviticus/0520.html
The Jewish Wedding and the Bride of Christ
http://www.ariel.org/ff00113c.html
Olivet Discourse......
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/olivet/index.html
Israel....birth pangs
http://www.ldolphin.org/odino.html
New World Order
http://www.ldolphin.org/kingdom/ch7.html
Genesis study
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/genesis/index.html
Temple studies…
http://www.ldolphin.org/ezektmp.html
http://www.ldolphin.org/whytemp.html
http://www.ldolphin.org/kingdom/ch9.html
New Bodies
http://www.ldolphin.org/newbodies.html
Misc. study sites
http://www.pbc.org/
http://www.ldolphin.org/
http://www.geocities.com/his_emissary/
http://www.levitt.com/
http://www.direct.ca/trinity/king.html
http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/adventure/0241.html
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/index.asp

Seventy Prophecies fulfilled in His First Coming
Ancient Hebrew writings (Old Testament) written  hundreds and some
over a thousand years BC.  This is how you know it is true.  The
prophecies were very specific and told exactly when and where God
would come to earth.  The New Testament (written in Greek after the
death of Christ) confirms these truths.
He would be a descendent of Abraham (Avraham). (Genesis 12:1-3;
18:18; 22:18; Matthew 1:1-2,17; Galatians 3:8,16)
He would be from the tribe of Judah (Yehudah) . (Genesis 49:8-10;
Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5)
He would be a descendent of David. (2 Samuel 7:4-5,12-13; 1
Chronicles 17:11-14; Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32-33,67-69; Acts 2:29-30;
Matthew 1:17; Romans 1:3)
He would be born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem). (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:4-
6; John 7:42)
He would be from Nazareth and be called a Nazarene. (Matthew 2:23;
Luke 1:26-27; John 1:45; Judges 13:5-7,24)
The exact time of His crucifixion was known (483 years from the
decree to build the temple, which was around 444 B.C.E.). (Daniel
9:25; Nehemiah 2:1-8; 5:14)
He would be born of a virgin. (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:20-23;
Galatians 4:4; Genesis 3:15)
His name would be Immanuel. Immanuel in Hebrew means "G-d with us."
(Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23)
His name would be Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew), which means "Savior"
or "Salvation." The word Yeshua in Hebrew means "salvation." It is
derived from another Hebrew word, Yashah, which means "to save,
deliver, preserve, bring salvation, get victory." (Matthew 1:21)
His name would be the Messiah. The word Christ in English comes from
the Greek word Christos, which means "The Anointed One." Christos in
Greek is the word Mashiach in Hebrew, which also means "The Anointed
One." The word Mashiach means "Messiah," who is Yeshua. (John 1:41)
He would be the only begotten Son of G-d. (Psalm 2:2,6-7; John 1:14;
Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:1-2,5)
He would be the Son of G-d and G-d would be His Father.
(Psalm 89:26-27; 2 Samuel 7:8,12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:7-10; Hebrews
1:1-2,5; Mark 14:36; John 20:30-31)
He would be circumcised the eighth day according to the law of
purification. (Luke 2:21-24; Leviticus 12:1-6)
He would go to Egypt and return to the land of Israel.(Hosea 11:1;
Matthew 2:13-15)
Young babies would die in an attempt to kill Yeshua at His birth.
(Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18)
He would be preceded by a messenger (a type of Elijah [Eliyahu] known
as John (Yochanan) the Immerser [Baptist]) who would prepare the way
of the Lord. (Malachi 3:1; Luke 1:13,76; Matthew 11:7,10)
The messenger, John (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist), would be
preaching in the wilderness. (Isaiah 40:3-5; Luke 1:13,80,3:2-6)
He would be a prophet like Moses (Moshe). (Deuteronomy 18:15; John
1:45; Acts 3:20-23)
He would be anointed of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). (Isaiah
11:1-2; 42:1; Matthew 3:16)
He would preach and teach in the temple (Beit HaMikdash). (Malachi
3:1; Luke 4:16; Matthew 26:55; John 7:28; 8:1-2)
He came specifically to the house of Israel and not to the Gentiles.
(Matthew 15:21-26)
Yeshua would be rejected by His own people Israel (corporately).
[Note: It should be pointed out that many, many individual Jews were
believers in Messiah during the first century. This can be seen very
clearly by carefully examining Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the
Book of Acts.(Psalm 69:8; 31:11; 88:8,18; Job 19:13; John 1:11;
7:3,5)]  Yeshua is the stone that the builders rejected.(Psalm
118:22; Isaiah 3:10-12; Romans 9:11)
Yeshua would be received by the Gentiles (corporately). [Note: It
should be pointed out that many Gentiles are not believers in Yeshua
and many others are believers in name only and not true followers
with their hearts. The believers in Messiah are commanded to follow G-
d with all of their heart (Deuteronomy 6:4-9).] (Isaiah 11:10; 42:6;
49:6,22; 54:3; 60:3,5,11,16; 61:6,9; 62:2; 66:12,19; Malachi 1:11;
Luke 2:30-32; Acts 28:28)
He would speak in parables.  (Psalm 78:2-4; Matthew 13:34-35)
The ministry of Yeshua would be in Galilee. (Isaiah 9:1-2; Matthew
4:12-16,23)
His ministry would be to heal the sick, set the captives free, and
preach deliverance. This is known as the basar (gospel) in Hebrew.
(Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:16-21; Matthew 4:23; 9:34-35; Acts 2:22;
10:38)
Yeshua was to be the shepherd of Israel because Israel had no
shepherd. (Ezekiel 34:5-10; 1 Kings 22:17; Zechariah 10:2; Genesis
49:22,24; Psalm 23:1; 80:1; Isaiah 40:10-11; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24;
John 10:11,14-15)
His message would not be believed. (Isaiah 53:1; John 12:37-38)
The meek would praise Him. (Psalm 8:1-2; Matthew 21:15-16)
Illegal merchandise trading would be done in the temple. (Psalm 69:9;
John 2:13-17; Isaiah 56:7; Matthew 21:12-13)
He would be hated. (Psalm 69:4; 35:19; 109:2-3; 119:161; John 15:24-
25)
He would be a reproach to the people. (Psalm 69:9; 89:50-51; Romans
15:3)
He would not seek publicity. (Isaiah 42:1-2; Matthew 12:15-19; 9:30;
8:4)
He can be trusted and would be compassionate. (Isaiah 42:3; Matthew
12:15,20-21)
No evil words would proceed from His mouth. (Isaiah 53:9; Luke 23:41;
1 Peter 2:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:21)
His disciples would forsake Him. (Zechariah 13:7; Matthew 26:31-
35,56)
There was nothing physically beautiful in Him to be desired. (Isaiah
53:2; Psalm 22:6; Mark 6:1-3; Philippians 2:7)
He gave up the glory in Heaven for the poverty of earth. (Luke 9:58;
2 Corinthians 8:9)
He would publicly enter Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) before the time of
His crucifixion. (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:1-5)
He would ride into Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) on a donkey. (Zechariah
9:9; Matthew 21:5)
He would be sold for 30 pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew
26:14-16)
His betrayal price would be given for a potter's field. (Zechariah
11:13; Matthew 27:3,7-10)
He would be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; John 13:18-21)
Both Jew and Gentile would conspire against Him. (Psalm 2:1-2; Acts
4:27-28; Matthew 26:3; 27:1-2)
He would be nailed to a tree. (Deuteronomy 21:22-23; Psalm 22:16;
John 19:18; 20:25)
He would suffer for others. (Isaiah 53:6; Matthew 20:28)
He would die for our sins. (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 1 Peter
2:24)
He would be mocked. (Psalm 22:7-8; Matthew 27:39-43)
He would die with the transgressors. (Isaiah 53: 12; Mark 15:27-28)
He would make intercession for His murderers. (Isaiah 53:12; Luke
23:34)
He would be smitten. (Micah 5:1; Isaiah 50:6; Lamentations 3:30;
Matthew 26:67; 27:30)
He would be spit upon. (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 26:67, 27:30)
He would be forsaken by G-d. (Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46)
He would be given gall and vinegar to eat and drink. (Psalm 69:21;
Matthew 27:34,48)
He opened not His mouth when accused. (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 26:63-64;
27:12-14)
His garments would be parted. (Psalm 22:18; Matthew 27:35)
Not one bone would be broken. (Psalm 34:20; John 19:33,36)
He would be pierced. (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34,37)
He would be like a lamb going to the slaughter. (Isaiah 53:7; Acts
8:26-35)
He is King of the Jews (and the world). (Psalm 2:6; John 18:33,37;
19:19-22)
He would be buried with the rich. (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60)
He would die. (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:50)
His soul would not be left in hell. (Psalm 16:10; 49:15; 56:13; Acts
2:27,31; 13:33-35)
He would rise from the dead. (Psalm 16:10; Luke 24:6,31,34; Acts 2:27-
31; 13:35)
Others would rise from the dead with Him. (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians
4:8; Matthew 27:52-53)
He would rise the third day from the grave. (Jonah 1:17; 1
Corinthians 15:4; Luke 24:45-46; Matthew 12:40)
He would ascend into Heaven. (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50-51)
He would sit at the right hand of G-d. (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:2-3;
Ephesians 1:20-21; 1 Peter 3:22)
He would usher in a New Covenant (Brit Hadashah). (Jeremiah 31:31;
Luke 22:20)
He would be a sure foundation to all who believe. (Isaiah 28: 16;
Romans 10:11; 1 Peter 2:4-6)

It seems we all have a similar problem when it comes to meetings
available where we live. Right now it is not hard to go to a GamAnon
meeting for me or a GA meeting for my fiance because they both take
place at the hospital where he is beginning his recovery. When he
comes home however, we are going to have to either start our own or
drive 2 and a half hours to the meetings we now attend. So, until we
figure out the best way to do things so we can continue to get the
support we need this group and others like it are helpful. No matter
what side of the gambling problem you are on, there is a recovery to
contend with once the gambler gets help. If any of you have any
questions about what the flipside of gambling addiction is like as
well as the recovery I would be more than happy to talk. Whether you
are the gambler or the loved one it all comes down to one day at a
time. --- In compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com, Judy Weemes
<judy_weemes@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, Judy here recovery CG, just doing it one day at a time ! I
am working on day 37. Wow I can hardly believe it. I have to agree
with "the Child". I could not have made it this far without the
support of fellw RCG's. I have been extremely busy during the
holidays, and have not taken the time to post, I will try to get here
more often. I have never attende a meeting,I would have to drive to
Dallas {the closest} I may try to start a group in my area when I am
a little stronger. Now I feel like I am clinging to others and am not
very much help.I wish each of you a great gamble free day ! YFIR Judy
> Last date gambled 11/20/2002
> IM= judy_weemes
> Email judy_weemes@y...
>  Ernie Jacobs <erniej100@y...> wrote: Hi there, I'm Ernie J, a
compulsive gambler.
> Devils_Child, the information you offerred Candy G.
> was good and appropriate.  Now it is time for us to
> "walk the talk".  May we all do it one day at a time.
> I think Candy's question about your handle was good.
> With us compulsive gamblers, egos are a problem and I
> think that she associated your handle that way.  Think
> she was searching for a normal sirname to converse
> with you.  CANDY - it is great that your December has
> been gamble free.  Keep up the good work.
>
> Ernie J.
>
>
> --- "devils_childsso <devils_childsso@y...>"
> <devils_childsso@y...> wrote:
> > I refer to myself as "devils_childsso because of a
> > "family" I
> > belonged to in Korea when I was serving over there
> > in 1989, which I
> > joined, and which still means a lot to me.  The
> > family is known as
> > the Silver Star Outlaws, and is really a country and
> > western bar in
> > toungdochon Korea that have become real close knit.
> > My family name,
> > given to me by my sponcer, Devil, was Devil's Child.
> >  But not to
> > fear, I am actually a Christian, and do not worship
> > the Devil (nick
> > names used on internet can often be decieving).
> >
> > As for ways to stop gambling, if you are a veteran,
> > you might be
> > interested in the Breaksville Oh program.  If not,
> > attend as many
> > meetings as possible, but at least one a week.  If
> > there are no GA
> > meetings in your area, attend AA Open meetings, and
> > concider starting
> > a GA meeting in your area.  The GA regional office
> > can be reached at
> > Post office box 17173, Los Angeles, Ca.  90017.  The
> > phone number is
> > (213) 386-8789.  You can order a starter kit from
> > them and start a GA
> > meeting in your area.  It may be a few months before
> > you find another
> > to join your meeting, but sitting in a room reeding
> > material to help
> > you refrain from gambling is well worth your time,
> > and eventually
> > another will come if you are willing to set up the
> > meeting place.  In
> > the mean time, get a phone list from anywhere you
> > can, and use it.
> > When you are tempted to gamble, it is important that
> > you have access
> > to phone numbers of other recovering Compulsive
> > Gamblers that you can
> > talk to.  Use these on-line help resources, and
> > realize that you have
> > a diesease, one that you can put in remision, but
> > that will never be
> > cured.  Feel free to contact me anytime.
> >
> >
>
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Pierre and Lillyblossom,
  Thank you for sharing with me. Pierre, you are right about having
three separate recoveries. It has been hard having him gone,
especially during the holidays but we are both feeling better each
day he makes progress while he is in the hospital. He understands a
little better that he really did have no control over his behavior.
We both understand that he will never be "cured" so to speak but that
he will be recovering for the rest of our lives. And he is gaining
the tools with which to do that. We are slowly coming to grips with
the fact that our life has taken a serious turn and we are now trying
to forge ahead in this new direction. Family therapy has been helpful
and I am getting lots of info on codependency. Lillyblossom, I hope
you the best in getting the help you need. The fact that you feel you
need it is an important first step and my fiance says it was the
hardest thing he has ever done but that it could turn out to be the
most rewarding as well. In the past couple of weeks that he has been
gone he has started to see life in an entirely new light. We both
have. At first it was so difficult! Our lives were put on hold, money
was tight because of his addiction, and we live in a remote area that
has little to offer in the way of support groups. But we are
managing. And we will survive this as you will. I wish you the very
best in the new year and may you both be bet-free! Please feel free
to e-mail me personally if you like. Lillyblossom, I know you have no
idea who I am but if you would like to talk to someone who is still
in the middle of being the loved one of a gambler maybe it could help
you.
--- In compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com, patricia waldrip
<lillyblossom_99@y...> wrote:
> Pierre,thank you so much for your response to
> Java. I am Lillyblossom & I also have a serious
> gambling problem. I have made two appointments to
> go talk to a counselor about going into treatment
> & have backed out both times. My husband tells me
> I don`t need to go into a treatment center. He
> says I just need to get a grip on myself. I`m
> also a little fearful about going. It is all so
> scary to me but I want to be free of this
> torment. I have tried not to gamble on my own but
> have never succeeded for over two weeks. I love
> to go & I hate it too. I hate what it has down to
> my life. But it scares me to think of never going
> again because in some sick way it gives me
> pleasure. I think I could gamble till I passed
> out from lack of sleep or hunger. I always run
> out of money first. I`m going to make another
> appointment after the first of the year & try to
> get some serious help. Thanks for your input.
> Lillyblossom
> --- Pierre Charbonneau <p.charbonneau@r...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Java,
> >
> > After reading your story, it reminded me of how
> > common the problem is. I
> > have been in recovery for over 2 years and also
> > attended a treatment centre
> > for 5 weeks. Although I admitted my addiction
> > to my wife before going to
> > treatment, it was not until second or third
> > week in treatment that I made a
> > solid commitment to my recovery. The treatment
> > program is what I needed to
> > "kick-start" my recovery.
> >
> > An important message I was given by one of
> > addiction cousellors was that my
> > recovery was like a garden. One that will
> > require constant maintenance and
> > care. Since addiction is an illness that I
> > brought in my family, my wife
> > will need her own garden of recovery that she
> > will need to maintain.  And
> > there is a third garden, that both my wife and
> > I share.  In this one we
> > bring and share some of our individual
> > recoveries.
> >
> > At first my wife had difficult accepting the
> > fact that she will need to work
> > on a recovery, but eventually started reading
> > many books on co-dependency
> > and began individal therapy a year ago.  I
> > received all the support I needed
> > from her, and don"t feel or relationship was
> > threatened. I do think that her
> > seeking help (working on her garden) has really
> > helped our relationship to
> > recover and continue to grow.
> >
> > I hope you find this information helpful, and
> > if you do not have access any
> > GA-Anon meetings and like to read, let me know
> > and I will ask my wife to
> > name a few good books.
> >
> >
> > Remember, addiction is very powerful - but an
> > addict in recovery is very
> > humble.
> >
> >
> > Pierre.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Java Rochat <raftgoddess1@y...>
> > [mailto:raftgoddess1@y...]
> >   Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:44 PM
> >   To:
> > compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [Compulsive Gambling Recovery] Just
> > need to ramble... hope you
> > don't mind
> >
> >
> >   Hi, my name is Java and my fiance is a
> > compulsive gambler. Since he
> >   travels a lot he was able to hide it for a
> > while but not for very
> >   long. He would be gone overnight here and
> > there which is normal but
> >   then one day he just seemed to vanish. A
> > couple days went by... a few
> >   more... and a few more.. Thanksgiving...I was
> > worried sick. I hadn't
> >   heard from him, neither had his job or his
> > terminally ill father for
> >   almost two weeks. We had alerted the police
> > and everything. Finally,
> >   this past Saturday, one of my friends said
> > she saw him in a casino a
> >   couple hours from our house. So off to the
> > casino I went. Not to
> >   confront but to just see for myself that he
> > was alive. He saw me
> >   before I saw him, yelled, screamed, cussed
> > and accused. Even though I
> >   wanted to wrap him in duct tape and throw him
> > in the Jeep I just
> >   stood there, blinked, told him to call me
> > when he was ready to come
> >   home and asked if he needed any clean
> > clothes. (He looked like hell)
> >   A day later he was home and wanting to know
> > why I didn't yell back at
> >   him. I could have cried, yelled and screamed
> > until I was blue in the
> >   face but unless he admitted there was a
> > problem it would be wasted
> >   energy. I let him come home like he had just
> > been at work all day and
> >   didn't say a word about the past three weeks.
> > On Monday morning he
> >   woke up, came into the kitchen and asked me
> > to drive him to a
> >   treatment center. He will be there for 4-6
> > weeks and seems to be
> >   okay. He was allowed to call me this evening
> > and talk about his last
> >   hoorah as part of his recovery. He told me
> > about all the fake
> >   business trips, his "gambling" account which
> > was just the one big
> >   account I never dealt with (until now), and
> > admitted to me how
> >   much he lost. The figure is in the tens of
> > thousands which, at the
> >   moment, may as well be a million. Now, as
> > understanding as I have
> >   been you would think there would be something
> > out there in the form
> >   of a support group for me to deal with the
> > situation. Not where we
> >   live however since we are in the middle of
> > nowhere in the mtns. So I
> >   thought I would look in some of these groups
> > so I at least have a
> >   sounding board. I truly feel like I may still
> > be in shock and he is
> >   worried that I might blow because I have
> > been so calm. (My employees
> >   step away when something goes wrong and I get
> > very levelheaded....
> >   calm before the storm you know.)  Have any of
> > you been through a
> >   situation as bad as this? What did /do your
> > loved ones think or do to
> >   handle your problem and/or recovery? I would
> > love to hear any
> >   suggestions or comments. Thanks for letting
> > me vent, ramble,
> >   whatever. Have a nice day.
> >
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Hi all, Judy here recovery CG, just doing it one day at a time ! I am working on
day 37. Wow I can hardly believe it. I have to agree with "the Child". I could
not have made it this far without the support of fellw RCG's. I have been
extremely busy during the holidays, and have not taken the time to post, I will
try to get here more often. I have never attende a meeting,I would have to drive
to Dallas {the closest} I may try to start a group in my area when I am a little
stronger. Now I feel like I am clinging to others and am not very much help.I
wish each of you a great gamble free day ! YFIR Judy
Last date gambled 11/20/2002
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Email judy_weemes@...
  Ernie Jacobs <erniej100@...> wrote: Hi there, I'm Ernie J, a compulsive
gambler.
Devils_Child, the information you offerred Candy G.
was good and appropriate.  Now it is time for us to
"walk the talk".  May we all do it one day at a time.
I think Candy's question about your handle was good.
With us compulsive gamblers, egos are a problem and I
think that she associated your handle that way.  Think
she was searching for a normal sirname to converse
with you.  CANDY - it is great that your December has
been gamble free.  Keep up the good work.

Ernie J.


--- "devils_childsso <devils_childsso@...>"
<devils_childsso@...> wrote:
> I refer to myself as "devils_childsso because of a
> "family" I
> belonged to in Korea when I was serving over there
> in 1989, which I
> joined, and which still means a lot to me.  The
> family is known as
> the Silver Star Outlaws, and is really a country and
> western bar in
> toungdochon Korea that have become real close knit.
> My family name,
> given to me by my sponcer, Devil, was Devil's Child.
>  But not to
> fear, I am actually a Christian, and do not worship
> the Devil (nick
> names used on internet can often be decieving).
>
> As for ways to stop gambling, if you are a veteran,
> you might be
> interested in the Breaksville Oh program.  If not,
> attend as many
> meetings as possible, but at least one a week.  If
> there are no GA
> meetings in your area, attend AA Open meetings, and
> concider starting
> a GA meeting in your area.  The GA regional office
> can be reached at
> Post office box 17173, Los Angeles, Ca.  90017.  The
> phone number is
> (213) 386-8789.  You can order a starter kit from
> them and start a GA
> meeting in your area.  It may be a few months before
> you find another
> to join your meeting, but sitting in a room reeding
> material to help
> you refrain from gambling is well worth your time,
> and eventually
> another will come if you are willing to set up the
> meeting place.  In
> the mean time, get a phone list from anywhere you
> can, and use it.
> When you are tempted to gamble, it is important that
> you have access
> to phone numbers of other recovering Compulsive
> Gamblers that you can
> talk to.  Use these on-line help resources, and
> realize that you have
> a diesease, one that you can put in remision, but
> that will never be
> cured.  Feel free to contact me anytime.
>
>


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Hi there, I'm Ernie J, a compulsive gambler.
Devils_Child, the information you offerred Candy G.
was good and appropriate.  Now it is time for us to
"walk the talk".  May we all do it one day at a time.
I think Candy's question about your handle was good.
With us compulsive gamblers, egos are a problem and I
think that she associated your handle that way.  Think
she was searching for a normal sirname to converse
with you.  CANDY - it is great that your December has
been gamble free.  Keep up the good work.

Ernie J.


--- "devils_childsso <devils_childsso@...>"
<devils_childsso@...> wrote:
> I refer to myself as "devils_childsso because of a
> "family" I
> belonged to in Korea when I was serving over there
> in 1989, which I
> joined, and which still means a lot to me.  The
> family is known as
> the Silver Star Outlaws, and is really a country and
> western bar in
> toungdochon Korea that have become real close knit.
> My family name,
> given to me by my sponcer, Devil, was Devil's Child.
>  But not to
> fear, I am actually a Christian, and do not worship
> the Devil (nick
> names used on internet can often be decieving).
>
> As for ways to stop gambling, if you are a veteran,
> you might be
> interested in the Breaksville Oh program.  If not,
> attend as many
> meetings as possible, but at least one a week.  If
> there are no GA
> meetings in your area, attend AA Open meetings, and
> concider starting
> a GA meeting in your area.  The GA regional office
> can be reached at
> Post office box 17173, Los Angeles, Ca.  90017.  The
> phone number is
> (213) 386-8789.  You can order a starter kit from
> them and start a GA
> meeting in your area.  It may be a few months before
> you find another
> to join your meeting, but sitting in a room reeding
> material to help
> you refrain from gambling is well worth your time,
> and eventually
> another will come if you are willing to set up the
> meeting place.  In
> the mean time, get a phone list from anywhere you
> can, and use it.
> When you are tempted to gamble, it is important that
> you have access
> to phone numbers of other recovering Compulsive
> Gamblers that you can
> talk to.  Use these on-line help resources, and
> realize that you have
> a diesease, one that you can put in remision, but
> that will never be
> cured.  Feel free to contact me anytime.
>
>


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I refer to myself as "devils_childsso because of a "family" I
belonged to in Korea when I was serving over there in 1989, which I
joined, and which still means a lot to me.  The family is known as
the Silver Star Outlaws, and is really a country and western bar in
toungdochon Korea that have become real close knit.  My family name,
given to me by my sponcer, Devil, was Devil's Child.  But not to
fear, I am actually a Christian, and do not worship the Devil (nick
names used on internet can often be decieving).

As for ways to stop gambling, if you are a veteran, you might be
interested in the Breaksville Oh program.  If not, attend as many
meetings as possible, but at least one a week.  If there are no GA
meetings in your area, attend AA Open meetings, and concider starting
a GA meeting in your area.  The GA regional office can be reached at
Post office box 17173, Los Angeles, Ca.  90017.  The phone number is
(213) 386-8789.  You can order a starter kit from them and start a GA
meeting in your area.  It may be a few months before you find another
to join your meeting, but sitting in a room reeding material to help
you refrain from gambling is well worth your time, and eventually
another will come if you are willing to set up the meeting place.  In
the mean time, get a phone list from anywhere you can, and use it.
When you are tempted to gamble, it is important that you have access
to phone numbers of other recovering Compulsive Gamblers that you can
talk to.  Use these on-line help resources, and realize that you have
a diesease, one that you can put in remision, but that will never be
cured.  Feel free to contact me anytime.

Hi. My name is Candy. I am a compulsive gambler. I was
wondering why you refer to yourself as devils child?
Also, I am curious as to what you did in inpatient
gambling. I have gambled since 1999. I hurt my back in
1999. I gamble less now. I did gamble in November
twice and not at all in December. I am hoping to keep
that strength for as long as I can. Any personal tips?
  Please feel free to reply or not reply as you wish.
Thanks, Candy

--- "devils_childsso <devils_childsso@...>"
<devils_childsso@...> wrote:
> Everyone who joined this group joined, I am
> assuming, because they
> felt they had a gambling problem, and needed help.
> To recieve help,
> you must be available to also share your experience,
> strengh, and
> hope with others who still suffer, even if you are
> still suffering.
> There are many places that do not have GA available
> in the area as of
> yet.  This is concidered one of the most incidious
> and baffling of
> all compulsions, and many persue it to a slow
> financial debt and
> suiside.  I have just compleated an inpatient
> Gambling treatiment
> program for Veterans at Breaksville Oh (will be
> willing to share
> location and how to get there with those that need
> it and are
> Veterans).  In the mean time, I have spent hours and
> hours gambling
> on a weekly basis.  I am willing to devote this new
> found time to
> recovery, which not only includes a new way of
> thinking and living,
> but to helping self and others.  That means I will
> spend a lot of
> time on these self-help groups, joining as many as I
> can find.  I
> invite anyone needing to talk to email me- and to
> yahoo chat with me
> when I am on line.  I also chalange others to do as
> I am doing, and
> be here for each other, commiting the new found time
> you have because
> you are not gambling to being here for yourself and
> others.
>
> Thank you
>
>


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Everyone who joined this group joined, I am assuming, because they
felt they had a gambling problem, and needed help.  To recieve help,
you must be available to also share your experience, strengh, and
hope with others who still suffer, even if you are still suffering.
There are many places that do not have GA available in the area as of
yet.  This is concidered one of the most incidious and baffling of
all compulsions, and many persue it to a slow financial debt and
suiside.  I have just compleated an inpatient Gambling treatiment
program for Veterans at Breaksville Oh (will be willing to share
location and how to get there with those that need it and are
Veterans).  In the mean time, I have spent hours and hours gambling
on a weekly basis.  I am willing to devote this new found time to
recovery, which not only includes a new way of thinking and living,
but to helping self and others.  That means I will spend a lot of
time on these self-help groups, joining as many as I can find.  I
invite anyone needing to talk to email me- and to yahoo chat with me
when I am on line.  I also chalange others to do as I am doing, and
be here for each other, commiting the new found time you have because
you are not gambling to being here for yourself and others.

Thank you

Hello Judy & Ernie, That story really made me fearful because I could
see myself in it. It made me feel very sad too. It was such a waste
of a precious life & so tragic for all that loved her. Yes,Ernie I
will get my butt to a meeting but it is really hard with me having to
drive 50 miles one way to a meeting. It makes it double hard because
I have always driven the 50 mi. to Lake Charles TO gamble!! So should
I get that close to temptation? It seems that nothing is ever simple.
Why can`t I stay in my own little world loving my family & pets,
working on restoring my old home & be happy without that nagging
desire to go gambling? This is all so not me. When in this world did
I get so off track? I don`t won`t to "struggle" with this the rest of
my life, I want to conquer it! Thank you all for your concern,
Patricia

Judy your story of the compulsive gambler was a fine
example of hitting rock bottom.  This lady was not the
first to succumb to this disease.  As you know alot of
gamblers think they hit bottom, but without help, they
find that it goes deeper.  Candy, you don't have to
join cghub.homestead.  Go there and read the messages.
  They are all about you and me.  Patricia W, it is
good that you found the cghub.homestead site.  As you
read the postings, you will see that alot on these
gamblers use this site as a supplement.  They still
attend GA meetings regularly. Get you butt to a
meeting.  It's for you.  Can't worry about meeting
make-up and politics.  If you get one inspirational
thing out of a meeting then it was a success.

Ernie J.  A compulsive gambler, 10-28-98



--- Judy Weemes <judy_weemes@...> wrote:
>
> Candy, hang in there. The desire to gamble may
> always with us, but we only have to stop one day at
> a time. I have something I would like to share with
> you. One of our fellow RCG's said "be prepared to
> give up gambling, or to give up everything you
> love." I read of others who have lost jobs, their
> homes and cars..even their family. I am fortunate
> not to have gotten to that point, but I can see
> myself there in a few short months.  We women are
> strong and with a little moral support We CAN DO
> THIS !    Have a great Day !   Judy
>
>  garey candy <candygarey@...> wrote:
> Hi. I am Candy. I am a compulsive gambler. I saw the
> new web site but did not join .hub yet. I am 55 yrs.
> old have gambled since 1999. I gambled on December
> 6th of this year. Hope the best to all of you. Candy
> patricia waldrip <lillyblossom_99@...>
> wrote:Judy, I can`t express how much I appreciate
> you
> giving me this web site. I swear it sounds like
> it was written with me in mind! It is me!! I`m
> not crazy or alone in this. I have been absorbing
> the information like a sponge. I feel a twinge of
> hope. I will keep you posted on my progress. Have
> a wonderful Christmas. Patricia
> --- Judy Weemes <judy_weemes@...> wrote:
> >
> > Patricia, Hi, I am a recovering compulsive
> > gambler. I am "clean" 27 days today and
> > counting. My port in this storm has been the CG
> > hub. There is a lot of caring people out there
> > who have made a site full of hope and a lot of
> > good info to help us in this journey to
> > recovery. There is an online meeting almost
> > everyday. One day at a time...Your friend in
> > recovery.  Judy http://www.cghub.homestead.com/
> >  Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote: I
> > hope everyone survived the Thanksgiving
> > holidays. I didn`t go
> > gambling once. Even though the urge is there.
> > Ernie, I finally bit
> > the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I
> > felt really weird & out
> > of place, the people were nice enough but they
> > all seemed like such
> > loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little
> > one) I did find out that
> > Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center
> > called CORE. It is paid
> > for by the state with our gambling dollars. You
> > have to go away for a
> > month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that
> > idea. Is there an
> > online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please
> > send me the info.
> > Lillyblossom
> >
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Here's a story that really described me, and where my gambling could lead :
Reprinted by permission from The Free Lance-Star of Fredericksburg, Virginia

Husband tells tragic tale in hopes of saving others.
By Larry Evans

She was 48, with a loving husband, 3 children, 5 grandchildren, many friends, a
good-paying job and a church in which she was very active. So why did she shoot
herself?

The long suicide note did not provide a clear answer, according to her husband,
who was phoned at work that Saturday morning in July and told to come home, that
there was an emergency.

"She was my high school sweetheart," he tells me. They were married 30 years.

"I knew her like I know myself. Or so I thought."

There was 1 thing he did not know. She gambled.

"If this could happen to the best woman I ever knew, it could happen to anyone."

He wants people to know her story. It would memorialize her, he says, if even 1
person in similar trouble would read what happened and say to themselves, "She
really didn’t have to do that."

He and everyone else who knew her will always wish she had reached out for help
instead of suffering in silence and then killing herself.

I will not divulge this local woman’s name out of respect for her privacy. Here,
however, in her husband’s words, is the tragic story:

"After the funeral, her brother came up to me and said, ‘We have to talk.’" They
went for a drive.

"He asked me if I knew she had borrowed $10,000 from a family friend."

No, he did not know. The couple had jobs that paid well, and they lived modestly
and within their means.

He told his brother-in-law that he was puzzled as to why he and his wife no
longer had an $11,000 CD at the bank. When he had gone to the bank, intending to
use the money for her funeral expenses, he was told that the certificate had
been cashed.

In the suicide note, she wrote that she "messed up the bills," and that
everything was in a drawer in the kitchen. She was the one who handled the
family’s finances. The day after the funeral, he looked in the kitchen drawer.

"I was shocked when I saw the credit-card bills. We owed well in excess of
$100,000."

He and his brother-in-law knew something had somehow gone wrong, because the
family had nothing to show for all that money. They decided to go to the
Sheriff’s Office.

"A detective asked if there was a computer in our house. When I said ‘yes,’ he
asked if he could take a look at it."

They drove to the house. With a few simple keystrokes, the detective found the
cause of the debt: Day after day, she had visited 3 online gambling sites.

"She would go to work early and get home around 1 o’clock in the afternoon. I
wouldn’t get home until 3 or 4. I had no idea."

The computer was a Christmas gift from him in 1998. He thought she used it to
log onto Web sites pertaining to crafts, cooking and opera. He did not know she
used it for gambling. In fact, she apparently engaged in no other form of
gambling except for very infrequent trips to casinos.

She did not buy scratch-off lottery tickets, according to her friends from work,
who do. Nor did she play the horses or the Virginia Lottery. In retrospect,
however, he thought back about trips they’d taken to Las Vegas. The first time
they went was 15 years ago.

"She loved it. She acted like a kid. She was so much fun to be with that I took
her back 3 more times."

Dropping quarters into slot machines was her game of choice.

"I remember the last time we went. On the flight home, she turned to me and
said, ‘You know, it’s a good thing we don’t live any closer to this place.’ I
laughed and said, ‘Yes, I think you are right.’ After that, we went to Atlantic
City 3 or 4 times."

She was his wife of 30 years and his best friend, but he did not know that, for
her, gambling had gone beyond entertainment and into a habit she could not
handle.

The afternoon before she shot herself, he recalls, he arrived home from work and
suggested that they go to dinner. On the way, he said, they could put his
paycheck in the bank.

"She said she didn’t feel well, and that she would deposit my check the next
morning."

She knew her creditors had gone to court. The bank had been told not to allow
the couple to make withdrawals. She knew that his paycheck, if deposited, would
disappear into the dark hole of debt that suddenly confronted her. He had no
idea.

"We sat on the sofa and I rubbed her shoulders for about 45 minutes. And then I
went out and cut the grass."

While he cut the grass, she used the computer.

Days later, as he tried to piece together what had happened, he decided to use
the keystrokes the detective showed him and find out what sites she had looked
at that Friday afternoon. She had visited the home page of the American Medical
Association and found a diagram of the human body.

"Then she clicked ‘Torso.’ She was looking for where her heart was. While I was
out mowing the grass, she knew what she was going to do."

The next morning, they both showered and dressed for work. Both usually left the
house at about 5 a.m., although they would drive separate cars.

That morning, she told him she was going to go to work an hour later that day.
When he left, she was sitting in a rocking chair in the living room. No one else
was in the house.

What was in the house was a .357-caliber revolver he had purchased 20 years ago.

"She had never touched it until the day she used it."
When she pulled the trigger, she put holes in the hearts of a lot of people.


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Candy, hang in there. The desire to gamble may always with us, but we only have
to stop one day at a time. I have something I would like to share with you. One
of our fellow RCG's said "be prepared to give up gambling, or to give up
everything you love." I read of others who have lost jobs, their homes and
cars..even their family. I am fortunate not to have gotten to that point, but I
can see myself there in a few short months.  We women are strong and with a
little moral support We CAN DO THIS !    Have a great Day !   Judy

  garey candy <candygarey@...> wrote:
Hi. I am Candy. I am a compulsive gambler. I saw the new web site but did not
join .hub yet. I am 55 yrs. old have gambled since 1999. I gambled on December
6th of this year. Hope the best to all of you. Candy
patricia waldrip <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote:Judy, I can`t express how
much I appreciate you
giving me this web site. I swear it sounds like
it was written with me in mind! It is me!! I`m
not crazy or alone in this. I have been absorbing
the information like a sponge. I feel a twinge of
hope. I will keep you posted on my progress. Have
a wonderful Christmas. Patricia
--- Judy Weemes <judy_weemes@...> wrote:
>
> Patricia, Hi, I am a recovering compulsive
> gambler. I am "clean" 27 days today and
> counting. My port in this storm has been the CG
> hub. There is a lot of caring people out there
> who have made a site full of hope and a lot of
> good info to help us in this journey to
> recovery. There is an online meeting almost
> everyday. One day at a time...Your friend in
> recovery.  Judy http://www.cghub.homestead.com/
>  Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote: I
> hope everyone survived the Thanksgiving
> holidays. I didn`t go
> gambling once. Even though the urge is there.
> Ernie, I finally bit
> the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I
> felt really weird & out
> of place, the people were nice enough but they
> all seemed like such
> loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little
> one) I did find out that
> Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center
> called CORE. It is paid
> for by the state with our gambling dollars. You
> have to go away for a
> month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that
> idea. Is there an
> online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please
> send me the info.
> Lillyblossom
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Hi. I am Candy. I am a compulsive gambler. I saw the new web site but did not
join .hub yet. I am 55 yrs. old have gambled since 1999. I gambled on December
6th of this year. Hope the best to all of you. Candy
  patricia waldrip <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote:Judy, I can`t express how
much I appreciate you
giving me this web site. I swear it sounds like
it was written with me in mind! It is me!! I`m
not crazy or alone in this. I have been absorbing
the information like a sponge. I feel a twinge of
hope. I will keep you posted on my progress. Have
a wonderful Christmas. Patricia
--- Judy Weemes <judy_weemes@...> wrote:
>
> Patricia, Hi, I am a recovering compulsive
> gambler. I am "clean" 27 days today and
> counting. My port in this storm has been the CG
> hub. There is a lot of caring people out there
> who have made a site full of hope and a lot of
> good info to help us in this journey to
> recovery. There is an online meeting almost
> everyday. One day at a time...Your friend in
> recovery.  Judy http://www.cghub.homestead.com/
>  Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote: I
> hope everyone survived the Thanksgiving
> holidays. I didn`t go
> gambling once. Even though the urge is there.
> Ernie, I finally bit
> the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I
> felt really weird & out
> of place, the people were nice enough but they
> all seemed like such
> loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little
> one) I did find out that
> Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center
> called CORE. It is paid
> for by the state with our gambling dollars. You
> have to go away for a
> month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that
> idea. Is there an
> online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please
> send me the info.
> Lillyblossom
>
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Judy, I can`t express how much I appreciate you
giving me this web site. I swear it sounds like
it was written with me in mind! It is me!! I`m
not crazy or alone in this. I have been absorbing
the information like a sponge. I feel a twinge of
hope. I will keep you posted on my progress. Have
a wonderful Christmas. Patricia
--- Judy Weemes <judy_weemes@...> wrote:
>
> Patricia, Hi, I am a recovering compulsive
> gambler. I am "clean" 27 days today and
> counting. My port in this storm has been the CG
> hub. There is a lot of caring people out there
> who have made a site full of hope and a lot of
> good info to help us in this journey to
> recovery. There is an online meeting almost
> everyday. One day at a time...Your friend in
> recovery.  Judy http://www.cghub.homestead.com/
>  Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote: I
> hope everyone survived the Thanksgiving
> holidays. I didn`t go
> gambling once. Even though the urge is there.
> Ernie, I finally bit
> the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I
> felt really weird & out
> of place, the people were nice enough but they
> all seemed like such
> loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little
> one) I did find out that
> Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center
> called CORE. It is paid
> for by the state with our gambling dollars. You
> have to go away for a
> month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that
> idea. Is there an
> online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please
> send me the info.
> Lillyblossom
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Is there a web site for CORE ?
  Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote:I hope everyone survived the
Thanksgiving holidays. I didn`t go
gambling once. Even though the urge is there. Ernie, I finally bit
the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I felt really weird & out
of place, the people were nice enough but they all seemed like such
loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little one) I did find out that
Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center called CORE. It is paid
for by the state with our gambling dollars. You have to go away for a
month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that idea. Is there an
online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please send me the info.
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Patricia, Hi, I am a recovering compulsive gambler. I am "clean" 27 days today
and counting. My port in this storm has been the CG hub. There is a lot of
caring people out there who have made a site full of hope and a lot of good info
to help us in this journey to recovery. There is an online meeting almost
everyday. One day at a time...Your friend in recovery.  Judy
http://www.cghub.homestead.com/
  Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...> wrote: I hope everyone survived the
Thanksgiving holidays. I didn`t go
gambling once. Even though the urge is there. Ernie, I finally bit
the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I felt really weird & out
of place, the people were nice enough but they all seemed like such
loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little one) I did find out that
Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center called CORE. It is paid
for by the state with our gambling dollars. You have to go away for a
month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that idea. Is there an
online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please send me the info.
Lillyblossom


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Pierre,thank you so much for your response to
Java. I am Lillyblossom & I also have a serious
gambling problem. I have made two appointments to
go talk to a counselor about going into treatment
& have backed out both times. My husband tells me
I don`t need to go into a treatment center. He
says I just need to get a grip on myself. I`m
also a little fearful about going. It is all so
scary to me but I want to be free of this
torment. I have tried not to gamble on my own but
have never succeeded for over two weeks. I love
to go & I hate it too. I hate what it has down to
my life. But it scares me to think of never going
again because in some sick way it gives me
pleasure. I think I could gamble till I passed
out from lack of sleep or hunger. I always run
out of money first. I`m going to make another
appointment after the first of the year & try to
get some serious help. Thanks for your input.
Lillyblossom
--- Pierre Charbonneau <p.charbonneau@...>
wrote:
> Hi Java,
>
> After reading your story, it reminded me of how
> common the problem is. I
> have been in recovery for over 2 years and also
> attended a treatment centre
> for 5 weeks. Although I admitted my addiction
> to my wife before going to
> treatment, it was not until second or third
> week in treatment that I made a
> solid commitment to my recovery. The treatment
> program is what I needed to
> "kick-start" my recovery.
>
> An important message I was given by one of
> addiction cousellors was that my
> recovery was like a garden. One that will
> require constant maintenance and
> care. Since addiction is an illness that I
> brought in my family, my wife
> will need her own garden of recovery that she
> will need to maintain.  And
> there is a third garden, that both my wife and
> I share.  In this one we
> bring and share some of our individual
> recoveries.
>
> At first my wife had difficult accepting the
> fact that she will need to work
> on a recovery, but eventually started reading
> many books on co-dependency
> and began individal therapy a year ago.  I
> received all the support I needed
> from her, and don"t feel or relationship was
> threatened. I do think that her
> seeking help (working on her garden) has really
> helped our relationship to
> recover and continue to grow.
>
> I hope you find this information helpful, and
> if you do not have access any
> GA-Anon meetings and like to read, let me know
> and I will ask my wife to
> name a few good books.
>
>
> Remember, addiction is very powerful - but an
> addict in recovery is very
> humble.
>
>
> Pierre.
>
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Java Rochat <raftgoddess1@...>
> [mailto:raftgoddess1@...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:44 PM
>   To:
> compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Compulsive Gambling Recovery] Just
> need to ramble... hope you
> don't mind
>
>
>   Hi, my name is Java and my fiance is a
> compulsive gambler. Since he
>   travels a lot he was able to hide it for a
> while but not for very
>   long. He would be gone overnight here and
> there which is normal but
>   then one day he just seemed to vanish. A
> couple days went by... a few
>   more... and a few more.. Thanksgiving...I was
> worried sick. I hadn't
>   heard from him, neither had his job or his
> terminally ill father for
>   almost two weeks. We had alerted the police
> and everything. Finally,
>   this past Saturday, one of my friends said
> she saw him in a casino a
>   couple hours from our house. So off to the
> casino I went. Not to
>   confront but to just see for myself that he
> was alive. He saw me
>   before I saw him, yelled, screamed, cussed
> and accused. Even though I
>   wanted to wrap him in duct tape and throw him
> in the Jeep I just
>   stood there, blinked, told him to call me
> when he was ready to come
>   home and asked if he needed any clean
> clothes. (He looked like hell)
>   A day later he was home and wanting to know
> why I didn't yell back at
>   him. I could have cried, yelled and screamed
> until I was blue in the
>   face but unless he admitted there was a
> problem it would be wasted
>   energy. I let him come home like he had just
> been at work all day and
>   didn't say a word about the past three weeks.
> On Monday morning he
>   woke up, came into the kitchen and asked me
> to drive him to a
>   treatment center. He will be there for 4-6
> weeks and seems to be
>   okay. He was allowed to call me this evening
> and talk about his last
>   hoorah as part of his recovery. He told me
> about all the fake
>   business trips, his "gambling" account which
> was just the one big
>   account I never dealt with (until now), and
> admitted to me how
>   much he lost. The figure is in the tens of
> thousands which, at the
>   moment, may as well be a million. Now, as
> understanding as I have
>   been you would think there would be something
> out there in the form
>   of a support group for me to deal with the
> situation. Not where we
>   live however since we are in the middle of
> nowhere in the mtns. So I
>   thought I would look in some of these groups
> so I at least have a
>   sounding board. I truly feel like I may still
> be in shock and he is
>   worried that I might blow because I have
> been so calm. (My employees
>   step away when something goes wrong and I get
> very levelheaded....
>   calm before the storm you know.)  Have any of
> you been through a
>   situation as bad as this? What did /do your
> loved ones think or do to
>   handle your problem and/or recovery? I would
> love to hear any
>   suggestions or comments. Thanks for letting
> me vent, ramble,
>   whatever. Have a nice day.
>
>
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Hi Java,

After reading your story, it reminded me of how common the problem is. I
have been in recovery for over 2 years and also attended a treatment centre
for 5 weeks. Although I admitted my addiction to my wife before going to
treatment, it was not until second or third week in treatment that I made a
solid commitment to my recovery. The treatment program is what I needed to
"kick-start" my recovery.

An important message I was given by one of addiction cousellors was that my
recovery was like a garden. One that will require constant maintenance and
care. Since addiction is an illness that I brought in my family, my wife
will need her own garden of recovery that she will need to maintain.  And
there is a third garden, that both my wife and I share.  In this one we
bring and share some of our individual recoveries.

At first my wife had difficult accepting the fact that she will need to work
on a recovery, but eventually started reading many books on co-dependency
and began individal therapy a year ago.  I received all the support I needed
from her, and don"t feel or relationship was threatened. I do think that her
seeking help (working on her garden) has really helped our relationship to
recover and continue to grow.

I hope you find this information helpful, and if you do not have access any
GA-Anon meetings and like to read, let me know and I will ask my wife to
name a few good books.


Remember, addiction is very powerful - but an addict in recovery is very
humble.


Pierre.




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   From: Java Rochat <raftgoddess1@...> [mailto:raftgoddess1@...]
   Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:44 PM
   To: compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Compulsive Gambling Recovery] Just need to ramble... hope you
don't mind


   Hi, my name is Java and my fiance is a compulsive gambler. Since he
   travels a lot he was able to hide it for a while but not for very
   long. He would be gone overnight here and there which is normal but
   then one day he just seemed to vanish. A couple days went by... a few
   more... and a few more.. Thanksgiving...I was worried sick. I hadn't
   heard from him, neither had his job or his terminally ill father for
   almost two weeks. We had alerted the police and everything. Finally,
   this past Saturday, one of my friends said she saw him in a casino a
   couple hours from our house. So off to the casino I went. Not to
   confront but to just see for myself that he was alive. He saw me
   before I saw him, yelled, screamed, cussed and accused. Even though I
   wanted to wrap him in duct tape and throw him in the Jeep I just
   stood there, blinked, told him to call me when he was ready to come
   home and asked if he needed any clean clothes. (He looked like hell)
   A day later he was home and wanting to know why I didn't yell back at
   him. I could have cried, yelled and screamed until I was blue in the
   face but unless he admitted there was a problem it would be wasted
   energy. I let him come home like he had just been at work all day and
   didn't say a word about the past three weeks. On Monday morning he
   woke up, came into the kitchen and asked me to drive him to a
   treatment center. He will be there for 4-6 weeks and seems to be
   okay. He was allowed to call me this evening and talk about his last
   hoorah as part of his recovery. He told me about all the fake
   business trips, his "gambling" account which was just the one big
   account I never dealt with (until now), and admitted to me how
   much he lost. The figure is in the tens of thousands which, at the
   moment, may as well be a million. Now, as understanding as I have
   been you would think there would be something out there in the form
   of a support group for me to deal with the situation. Not where we
   live however since we are in the middle of nowhere in the mtns. So I
   thought I would look in some of these groups so I at least have a
   sounding board. I truly feel like I may still be in shock and he is
   worried that I might blow because I have  been so calm. (My employees
   step away when something goes wrong and I get very levelheaded....
   calm before the storm you know.)  Have any of you been through a
   situation as bad as this? What did /do your loved ones think or do to
   handle your problem and/or recovery? I would love to hear any
   suggestions or comments. Thanks for letting me vent, ramble,
   whatever. Have a nice day.


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Hi I am new here. I have gambled since 1999. It has gotten worse each
year. That big pot is not always a good thing because it brings you
back, to lose twice that much at least!  I find that staying away
from the physical area of a casino is helpful. I have not gambled
online. I have lost quite a bit, to the point I may have to file
bankruptcy. I wonder if you get a second chance if you are a gambler.
Obviously, you would need a good attorney.

Anyway, I am a very young 55 with two children (moved away) and a dog
and a cat (at home). I hurt my back in 1999 and that is part of why
my gambling started. I gambled in September and then again in
November x 2 but have been OK so far this month. I don't feel an urge
to gamble although I feel a lot of stress and some depression. Enough
is enough I say, time to make some changes, recognized your feelings
and when and why your urges occur. I am going to keep a journal. Hope
that helps.Candy

Good poem! I like it. We each have the right to the pursuite of
happiness! Candy

-- In compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Fontenot"
<mattfon_n_vegas_02@h...> wrote:
> If I should come out ahead
> At the end of this game called Life
> It won't be because of my fancy style
> Or that I knew how to play it so well
> But more because I just kept getting up
> And plodding along
> Till the World finally just got tired
> Of knocking me down
>  ~ Javan
>
> From: A Heart Full Of Love

Hi I am a female compulsive gambler. You have given an important
statistic that bankruptcies have increase 30% within a 30 mile radius
of a casino. I live 45 miles from a casino and may have to face
bankrupty very soon. But that means you get a second chance.

--- In compulsivegamblingrecovery@yahoogroups.com, "Doug"
<SixFive175@m...> wrote:
> I am not a compulsive gambler, although I'm in love with one and
that
> is why I joined this group.
>
> Currently, there are initiatives (atleast in Iowa) on the
fate/future
> of casinos.  Both the Pro and Con lobbies have bought considerable
> air time to argue their case.
>
> Before I met my fiancee, I was pro gambling.  My argument went that
> it brought in tax dollars, offered a diversion, helped the tourist
> trade, and so-on.  I never went gambling, but I was in favor of it
> for others.
>
> However, since I met my fiancee I have changed my mind.  I am
voting
> against gambling here.  I see what it does to lives.  One fact:
> bankruptcies have increased 30% within a 30-mile radius of any
given
> Iowa casino.
>
> Anyway, my question to the group:  Given that you are gambling
> addicts, would you vote Yes or No to the future of gambling in your
> state or province?
>
> -----SixFive175@m..., or else
>      Douggiepoo@a...
>                  at
>      11:48 PM, Central Time
>      Saturday, October 26, 2002
>      Des Moines, Iowa  50311

Hi, Could you please tell me what time your meetings are and any good books you
can recommend?  Candy


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Hi Could you tell me the time of the meetings? I am new to this
group. Candy

Patricia,   It was good to see your post.  This is the second time I
have typed you a reply today.  The first, I previewed, hit the back
button and it was gone.  Not all meetings are the same.  Some take on
their own personality.  Remember that if you get one thing out of a
meeting that will help you, then it was a good meeting.  Laughter
will come.  Sometimes when a new person shows for their first
meeting, members will curtail their laughter.  Take your steps one
day at a time.  In the future you will be able to look back at your
past actions, say to yourself did I do that!  Had to be the first to
get the mail because the credit card and bank statements were there,
and I had to see them first. You'll get comfortable with the meeting
members and share your laughter over your past actions.  Shirley is
right about face to face.  You can see and feel the pain.  Humility
and being humble must replace, big egos, lying, passing blame, having
to be right all the time.  Remember you have to be selfish, this is
your recovery, not the other members, your husband, or loving others,
only yours.  And by admitting you are powerless over gambling is an
important step.
Congratulations on getting there, now stay there.

Ernie J.





--- In compulsivegamblingrecovery@y..., "Patricia"
<lillyblossom_99@y...> wrote:
> I hope everyone survived the Thanksgiving holidays. I didn`t go
> gambling once. Even though the urge is there. Ernie, I finally bit
> the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I felt really weird &
out
> of place, the people were nice enough but they all seemed like such
> loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little one) I did find out
that
> Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center called CORE. It is
paid
> for by the state with our gambling dollars. You have to go away for
a
> month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that idea. Is there an
> online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please send me the info.
> Lillyblossom

Shirley, I know exactly what you are saying. If
you go back & read some of my messages you know
that I understand. Sometimes I think you have to
lighten up & find the humor in things. It helps
to laugh. The bible says that laughter is like
medicine. Lillyblossom
--- Shirley <seftoda@...> wrote:
> > From: Patricia <lillyblossom_99@...>
> > I felt really weird & out
> > of place, the people were nice enough but
> they all seemed
> like such
> > loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little
> one)
>
> Hi,
> If the people did appear that way it is because
> of the
> results of compulsive out of control gambling.
> Gambling
> will take everything from you.  I managed to
> find to GA in
> time - I owe the saving of my life to GA and
> its recovery
> program.
> Shirley
>
>
>
>
>


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I noticed the meeting Thursday night on this web site, do any of you
chat? What time should I go on for central time? Lillyblossom

I hope everyone survived the Thanksgiving holidays. I didn`t go
gambling once. Even though the urge is there. Ernie, I finally bit
the bullet & went to my first G.A. Meeting. I felt really weird & out
of place, the people were nice enough but they all seemed like such
loosers,Ha! no pun intended.(maybe a little one) I did find out that
Louisiana offers an inhouse treatment center called CORE. It is paid
for by the state with our gambling dollars. You have to go away for a
month,my husband wasn`t to thrilled with that idea. Is there an
online G.A. meeting? If anyone knows please send me the info.
Lillyblossom

hi i am here now-

Are there any on line support groups that hold meetings?

tresor613@...

If I should come out ahead
At the end of this game called Life
It won't be because of my fancy style
Or that I knew how to play it so well
But more because I just kept getting up
And plodding along
Till the World finally just got tired
Of knocking me down
  ~ Javan

From: A Heart Full Of Love