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This is a link to an Abstract in a Medical Journal, where some
doctors are discussing "aggressiveness in treating Stage IV colon
cancer".

http://tinyurl.com/2w4y9

It seems to me that the article shows a very different attitude when
it comes to how DOCTORS or PATIENTS view "aggressive therapy".

According to the statistics, if a stage IV patient does NOT have
his/her primary colon tumor removed, the survival time is approx 12.7
months.

If the patient DOES have the primary colon tumor removed, then the
survival jumps to 31.9 months (!!!)

Yet the doctors conclude, (and I quote!) "Whether to perform primary
tumor resection in patients with asymptomatic Stage IV colorectal
cancer remains controversial; however, the more aggressively we
perform radical resection and metastasectomy to selected patients,
the more survival benefits the patients obtain"

WHY is this so "controversial? I wonder where thinking along these
lines comes from. "They" seem to think that a gain in survival time
of almost TRIPLE (12.7 to 31.99 months) isn't really worth it???

This seems a very odd attitude to me. How many patients facing 12.7
months would be willing to undergo a little more risk in order to get
the HUGE increase in survival time? I certainly would...and I would
guess most other patients would feel the same.

And if the removal of a primary colon tumor generates such
controversy, how about other procedures (tending towards the "mild"
side) such as RFA or limited surgery on "distant" lymph nodes, which
might be able to bring equivalent gains in survival times (even if
not "potentially curative")? And how much thought do the doctors
really put into this - are patient feelings and views REALLY that
carefully considered?

I do not know! But when I see things like this, they really do make
me wonder....

Just a thought!

Best,

Keith








Fri Jan 2, 2004 6:49 pm

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altman23
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Jan 2, 2004
6:49 pm

OH my goodness Keith, whose is doing the thinking here?? that is a big difference in survival time..some of us as YOU know are doing treatment to get a little...
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Jan 2, 2004
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Hi Kaye, Just wanted to check and see how you are doing? I hope you are doing well...you and my Dad are in the same position, as he is also waiting for new...
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Jan 2, 2004
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Hi Keith, I never realized there is controversy re removing the primary colon tumor...always thought it's the standard protocol to do it. This really makes me...
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Nickie, My mom is in a very similar postion with what the surgical report stated is " thousands " of nodules in her intestines and one her small bowel etc. If...
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Hi Erica: The happiest of New Years to you and your mom and dad. Interesting that you should talk about all this - as you know my mom's situation is really...
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I hear what you are saying and that may be true for your mom, but with mine, she had a recently surgery and my quote came right from the surgical report. he...
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Hang in there, Erica...your mom is a fighter and I know she'll continue to recover. My Dad has been feeling very well lately, despite the bad news. I think...
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Well she had stomach pains or cramps, she stopped having regular bowel movements, her appetite went south and she was terribly nauseous and vomitted dark...
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Erica, Thanks for this info. I'm glad to hear that your mom got pass these problems and doing well now. So far, my dad shows no symptoms other than fatigue...
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Erica and Nickie: I think I need to mention that I hate, hate, hate all this too. Lately my mother has been complaining a little more and it leaves me so...
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Laurie, I am sorry to hear that your mom is starting to experience some problems but please do not worry too much...I know it's hard because I do the same...
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Laurie, I hate to say it but yes they were similar. However she was vomitting bile for days.... Not food ( sorry to be gross ) but brown. green fluid. She has...
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Hi Erica, Thanks for sharing your mom's experience with me. My Dad is very similar...CT/MR showed 3 lung mets and 5 abdominal mets but his doctors think there...
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My mom is doing the Saltz regimine 4 weeks on 2 weeks off. She does suffer a bit from the side effects mostly diahrea... and tiredness. however she is eating...
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Hi, thanks for the check up..doing pretty good...I can understand your Drs. feelings for sure..it is so hard waiting...wondering...I was looking forward to...
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Hi Kaye, I'm glad to hear you are doing well and hope you'll get over your soreness from falling. My Dad just celebrated his 63rd b-day on Jan 1...he wondered...
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You know this whole to operate or not to operate thing makes me so depressed. When you are 44 3 years seems like nothing but compared to 12 months. There is a...
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I find the hardest thing about this disease is the wondering "if this will be the last" anything. It's true. Christmas and New Years was nice, but I found it...
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Hello Nic, it does sound like your Dad and I are just waiting..riding the roller coaster. my liver specilist said I had too many tumors at present time to do...
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Interesting that you should post this Keith. These are the precise issues that I am in conflict over when it comes to my mother's treatment and follow-up. ...
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Keith- Hope all is going well with your treatment. Thanks for an interesting article reference. I think that medical oncologists and even surgeons are so...
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Doctors frequently seem to leave out information when they are dealing with someone diagnosed at stage 4 and with patients 60 yrs and above. As if the...
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You make an excellent and scary point. Its through the efforts of people like you that are making a difference. I so appreciate what you and your organization...
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