Erin--

How difficult would it be for you to delete *all* the old emails (say---
everything dated before oct. 31st.)?

When I first started using the yahoo group, I never was in the mentalset of
a public list. I talked about personal things-- including my children's
names/ages.

I'd feel more comfortable if my private info was erased.

Is it possible for you to delete all the old yahoo emails?

Now is an appropriate time: while the function of the list changes to "on
topic."

-donna q.


-----Original Message-----
From: erinarlinghaus [mailto:erinarlinghaus@...]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:03 PM
To: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cinnfp] FROM MODERATOR: update on CINNFP




  - IMPORTANT:  I am going to make the archives of this yahoogroups
list public, just as the CIN archives were public.  **ALL ARCHIVED
MESSAGES WILL BECOME VISIBLE TO THE ENTIRE INTERNET** Please let me
know off list if YOU PERSONALLY posted a message to
cinnfp@yahoogroups.com prior to November 2004 that you would like me
to delete from the archives before making them public.

Here's an update on the transition to yahoogroups.  PLEASE READ.

  - Don Schloeder, who was the moderator when CINNFP was housed at
www.cin.org, will continue to have moderator privileges here at
yahoogroups.  I will remain the "owner" and a moderator of this
group.

  - I have the list of e-mail addresses of people who were subscribed
to the CIN list.  In the next few days I will issue invitations to
those addresses in an effort to catch anybody who might still want to
move over but who has somehow fallen through the cracks.

  - The "off topic" list has been created.  It is called cinnfp-ot and
it is not listed in the directory.  The cinnfp-ot list is intended
for CINNFP members only, to discuss topics that are off topic here.
Unless a specific problem develops that requires them, there are no
topic rules there, other than standard netiquette. To subscribe to
this list, go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cinnfp-ot/

  - Off topic discussions will continue to be welcome here for a
couple of weeks but should move over to the offtopic list eventually.

  - At the end of this message is a copy of my current draft of
the "rules" and regulations for this group, which will be sent to all
new members and which you should be aware of.  PLEASE NOTE:  If you
would like to comment on these rules, please do so in an email to me
OFF LIST as I do not wish to open up a metadiscussion.  Most of these
rules are identical to the ones that CIN had.  Some I have
clarified.  A couple of them are added by me because I have found
them useful on other lists, including Catholic ones.

  - IMPORTANT:  I am going to make the archives of this yahoogroups
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MESSAGES WILL BECOME VISIBLE TO THE ENTIRE INTERNET** Please let me
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signals and the choice to periodically or occasionally abstain from
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Obviously, discussion of all methods of natural family planning that
are sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church is on-topic.  This
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methods of NFP is allowed.*  Other methods of birth control may be
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which combines fertility awareness with barrier methods, and they may
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--- "K. Cornish Scott" <kcornishscott@...>
wrote:

> (now don't y'all get on me who looove taking those
> tests.... ELAINE!!!!

LOL.... Marilyn, if you are 21 dpo or more you have a
99% chance of being pregnant. At this point you
probably don't *need* to take a test... See, if you
were me, you would have been watching your temps and
the *day* your luteal phase goes longer than it
usually is, you would test because you don't have the
patience to wait a whole 'nother 9 or 10 days. Heh
heh.

>how are you anyway E?
> barfin' yet?)

10 weeks along... ickiness subsiding. It was gone at
10 weeks with DS last time. I don't puke. Refuse to do
it. :)

take care,
elaine



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I looked up BV, and none of the symptoms listed are what I had.  I
had stretchy yellow mucus, and they describe a grey or white
discharge with a foul odor.  I did not have this.  Also, I had a
physical examination with my midwife, and this mucus was up in the
cervix, not at the vaginal level.  There was no vaginal irritation.



--- In cinnfp@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Mayfield <mayfikn@n...> wrote:
> raindiva98 wrote:
>
> >Since the birth of my first child by C-section a year ago, I've
had a
> >chronic stretchy (sometimes 6 inches!), yet gummy, VERY yellow
mucus
> >discharge.  It is present during all times of my cycle, and I
never
> >had it prior to delivery. It completely obscures any other mucus
> >signs because of its great quantity. (snip) They decided to put me
> >on Flagyl for 10 days to treat a possible mild uterine infection,
and
> >I'm happy to report it worked!
> >
> It sounds like bacterial vaginosis to me, and Flagyl is what is
usually
> prescribed for BV.  If it is BV, they would assume the antibiotic
effect
> was a coincidence because BV is resistant to regular antibiotics.
I
> think they probably didn't test you for BV because it is USUALLY
(not
> not always) a STD.  Perhaps that's why they euphemistically
referred to
> is as a "mild uterine infection,"  because they didn't want worry
you,
> or get a bad reaction from you if you had heard of it.
>
> Kelly Mayfield

raindiva98 wrote:

>Since the birth of my first child by C-section a year ago, I've had a
>chronic stretchy (sometimes 6 inches!), yet gummy, VERY yellow mucus
>discharge.  It is present during all times of my cycle, and I never
>had it prior to delivery. It completely obscures any other mucus
>signs because of its great quantity. (snip) They decided to put me
>on Flagyl for 10 days to treat a possible mild uterine infection, and
>I'm happy to report it worked!
>
It sounds like bacterial vaginosis to me, and Flagyl is what is usually
prescribed for BV.  If it is BV, they would assume the antibiotic effect
was a coincidence because BV is resistant to regular antibiotics.  I
think they probably didn't test you for BV because it is USUALLY (not
not always) a STD.  Perhaps that's why they euphemistically referred to
is as a "mild uterine infection,"  because they didn't want worry you,
or get a bad reaction from you if you had heard of it.

Kelly Mayfield

I thought some might also like to hear my recent experience with
using progesterone supplementation to help with depression.

Since the birth of my daughter a year ago, I've had severe
depression. She was born by emergency C-section and refused to
breastfeed. My cycles came back immediately, but were very long (40
days +) with very short luteal phases (only 7 days average) and
short, heavy periods (4 days very heavy). Dr. Hilgers supplemented
me with progesterone, 100 mg IM in sesame oil days 18, 21, 24. While
this produced a regular cycle, decreasing cancer risks, etc, it did
not help my mood as I had hoped.

We increased my dosage to 100 mg on days 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, an as
Dr. Hilgers expected, this bolstered my mood immediately. For the
first time, I felt as good as I did before I was ever pregnant (I was
depressed during pregnancy too, but was not seeing Dr. Hilgers at
that time, so did not have progesterone levels checked). The
progesterone has since worn off and another cycle has started, but
the good mood has stayed. I'm not sure why the higher dosing worked
SO well and the lower dose did not seem to at all, but apparently
there was a "magic" level that needed to be reached to "reset"
something.

I wonder if it's possible both the cycle problems and the resulting
depression are because I never had the prolonged progesterone
exposure usually brought on by breastfeeding. Any similar
experiences?

Kim

To all:

I thought I'd also share my story about a mild uterine infection.  Dr.
Hilgers mainly suggests a chronic wet discharge for uterine
infection, and gummy yellow discharge (but not stretchy) for cervix
inflamation.

Since the birth of my first child by C-section a year ago, I've had a
chronic stretchy (sometimes 6 inches!), yet gummy, VERY yellow mucus
discharge.  It is present during all times of my cycle, and I never
had it prior to delivery. It completely obscures any other mucus
signs because of its great quantity. Dr. Hilgers hyfercated a tiny
spot on my cervix but it did not change this mucus at all. I since
had another appointment with him and his colleague Dr. Pierson, and I
reminded them that taking an antibiotic for UTI seemed to temporarily
clear it up on several different occasions.  They decided to put me
on Flagyl for 10 days to treat a possible mild uterine infection, and
I'm happy to report it worked! This particular mucus lessened in
quantity throughout the treatment, and was completely eliminated by
the last day. Suddenly my actual cervical mucus was unobscured and
available for charting. I have since had a post-peak phase and
menstruation, and I am on day 12 with no sign of this discharge
returning.

I also have long cycles and short luteal phases due to PCOD, so Dr.
Hilgers at first assumed this excessive mucus was due to that. But I
had PCOD prior to pregnancy, without this type of mucus. Also, I was
put on progesterone injections for the short luteal phase about 4
cycles ago, and those still did nothing to clear up this mucus as it
normally should for PCOD.

I'm not sure if the infection presented differently than usual
because of the C-section incision or what. I figured I should share
in case any of you have or hear of something similar.
It has taken a year to finally receive treatment because every
physician I spoke to about this (including Dr. Hilgers and Dr.
Pierson) plus a midwife insisted that a uterine infection would
present differently, and that I would be severely ill.  Everyone
believed the temporary relief during other antibiotics was
coincidence (on FOUR occassions?!?)

Kim

Hi Marilyn!

--- Marilyn Digby <marilyndigby@...> wrote:

> I just meant that part of me wants to know and be
> sure, and part thinks 'what will be will be'  and
> want to wait.

Here's a thought... don't take an HPT at all.... and
heck, don't bother going in to the doc either.  :-)
Your body will tell you when you're pregnant and
choosing not taking a pg test is a simple yet
meaningful way to put yourself on a low-tech path to a
low-tech birth, kwim?  It's symbolic of trusting your
body and trusting God and the natural process....
think of yourself in tune with Rachel and Hannah and
other biblical women who waited each month to see if
they were pg... well ok they didn't have thermometers,
but you know what I mean.  :-)

(now don't y'all get on me who looove taking those
tests.... ELAINE!!!!  ;-P  I'm not saying it's *wrong*
to take them so shush.... how are you anyway E?
barfin' yet?)


>  I suppose there is a chance it might be just a
> long cycle as I have had a very stresed month,

Stress delays ovulation, not the onset of
menstruation.  I'd say you're pretty certainly pg as
well.... EEEEE! :-)

Just think of the miracle that is taking place in your
body right now.... wow! God is good.

Blessings,

Krista

No way!   Given our beliefs and knowing it was just 3/ 4 days before O  I guess we knew we were truly being 'open to new life' 

And thanks a lot for this quick reply- its a big help as  I am a little emotional about all this today. 

Marilyn

Marilyn wrote,

>on day 10 we did not
>want to abstain and altho we planned to withdraw, when we got there,
>we just carried as we felt we had no real reason to stop.
>Anyway I ovulated on cd13 and it is now cd 33 and no sign of my
>period.  I stopped taking my temp after I ovulated but started again
>on day 29 when my period did not arrive : my temp is still well over
>the line.
>
>Should I take a hpt?  I am kind of nervous as I have never used one
>and am torn between wanting to know and 'tempting fate'  And maybe
>it is too soon anyway?

I don't know what you mean by "tempting fate," but if your temp rise started on
cd 13 and it is still going on cd 33, you're almost certainly pregnant.  That
would be 21 high temps if you had taken them all and if you made no error. 
Because you have missing temps in the middle, error can't be ruled out; so if I
were you I'd take the test.  It's probably not too soon if you buy a good brand
of test.

Don't go calling this pregnancy "a failure of NFP" now.  ;-)

Erin

Hello
I posted for advice a few weeks ago as we are newly weds and had
challenges with abstaining on fertile days and moral problems with
wihdrawal which we had also tried.

Well... maybe our decison has been made as we agreed we would
abstain for all my fertile days this month, but on day 10 we did not
want to abstain and altho we planned to withdraw, when we got there,
we just carried as we felt we had no real reason to stop.
Anyway I ovulated on cd13 and it is now cd 33 and no sign of my
period.  I stopped taking my temp after I ovulated but started again
on day 29 when my period did not arrive : my temp is still well over
the line.

Should I take a hpt?  I am kind of nervous as I have never used one
and am torn between wanting to know and 'tempting fate'  And maybe
it is too soon anyway?


Marilyn

Thanks for the tip, Michelle.  Actually I didn't intend for it to be
*permanently* automatic, but I wanted it to be automatic for the next couple of
weeks so that everyone on the old list could move over easily.  Because of your
warning, I'll probably turn the automatic signup off sooner than I would have
otherwise. -Erin

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Haines <mhaines@...>
Sent: Nov 24, 2004 10:13 PM
To: Erin Arlinghaus <erinarlinghaus@...>
Cc: dschloeder@..., cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [cinnfp] Re: APPROVE -- powaydon <dschloeder@...> wants to
join cinnfp



On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Erin Arlinghaus wrote:

> - First of all, YES, the CINNFP yahoogroups offtopic list will become
>   the new CINNFP on-topic list.  Please, if you will, post detailed
>   instructions telling people how to join.  Normally the group is
>   moderated and I have to approve new members (I had a rule that members
>   had to come from CINNFP), but I am just now changing that.
>   **Subscription will now be automatic.** To subscribe to the yahoo

As the moderator of the NFP-FAM group on yahoo, I wouldn't recommend that.
We tried open subscription, but found we got hit with a lot of
inappropriate messages, so we had to go to a situation where everyone is
moderated until their first post, at which point I switch them over to
full posting status.

Michelle
Flutist

As always, the CINNFP list will remain a "Catholic" list (that is, we will take
it for granted that posters to the list have some understanding of and respect
for Catholic doctrine regarding sexuality, marriage, sacraments, etc.) and
promotion of heresy will not be tolerated, as it was not when the list was
hosted on CIN.  (Note to Don: Have you got a copy somewhere of CIN's rules for
their discussion groups?  I could use it in developing a new set for the new
list.)

Again as always, the list will be open to Catholics as well as to non-Catholics
who discourse respectfully about Catholic teaching.  It must remain a valuable
resource and a witness to anyone who comes in good faith and who has interest in
Natural Family Planning.

The offtopic list, if we create one (it looks like a good idea to me) will be
somewhat more lax in rules.  We haven't *needed* any rules so far over there,
actually, as far as I can see.   Again, I ask everybody's patience with all
topics for a few days (let me get past the holiday weekend) and we'll straighten
everything out... it was kind of a surprise to have the list land in my lap, and
I am happy to serve as moderator, but I need a few days.  :-)  For those of you
who don't know me and are worried the list will lose its Catholic identity, I
think Don can vouch for me.  ;-)

Erin

-----Original Message-----
From: raindiva98 <Kimberly@...>
Sent: Nov 23, 2004 6:52 PM
To: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cinnfp] Re: the cin list



I just joined here because we were told the CINNFP list is shutting
down.  I'd also like to put in a BIG vote for a Catholic-specific
list.  It's disheartening to discuss/read about infertility issues
that are not Catholic oriented.  I am willing to head up such a list
if necessary.

Kim



--- In cinnfp@yahoogroups.com, "K. Cornish Scott"
<kcornishscott@y...> wrote:
> my vote is do another offtopic list.. I like having a
> list of Catholic NFP'er to go to should I have stuff
> that I want that perspective on, but I don't have time
> for the main list.
>
> Krista







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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Erin Arlinghaus wrote:

> - First of all, YES, the CINNFP yahoogroups offtopic list will become
>   the new CINNFP on-topic list.  Please, if you will, post detailed
>   instructions telling people how to join.  Normally the group is
>   moderated and I have to approve new members (I had a rule that members
>   had to come from CINNFP), but I am just now changing that.
>   **Subscription will now be automatic.** To subscribe to the yahoo

As the moderator of the NFP-FAM group on yahoo, I wouldn't recommend that.
We tried open subscription, but found we got hit with a lot of
inappropriate messages, so we had to go to a situation where everyone is
moderated until their first post, at which point I switch them over to
full posting status.

Michelle
Flutist

I think we should keep just one list for the time being and see how the
traffic is.  There's been hardly any traffic on the CIN list for the
past several months, and we also aren't prolific on the Yahoo list, so I
don't see a problem volume-wise on combining them.  If it starts to get
heavier, or people are feeling overwhelmed, we could always start a new
list at that time.  We also don't know for sure how many on the CIN list
are going to follow through and move to this list.

As for as infertility treatment, the few protestants we have had on the
list have generally been more in line with the Catholic view. I can't
recall anyone that has used fertility treatment more invasive than
Clomid, which is permitted by the Church.  I like the various views on
other issues, so I'd like to keep it open to NFP users regardless of faith.

Kelly
http://member.newsguy.com/~mayfikn/lam/lam.html----> Big lactational
amenorrhea site

> Second, I want to hear from those who have been
> members of THIS
> OFFTOPIC LIST ON YAHOOGROUPS for a while.  Should I
> create another
> yahoogroups list called cinnfp-offtopic, and try to
> recreate the
> offtopic list there?

I think so... I've always appreciated having you folks
to turn to with AP questions, etc...

take care
elaine



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Erin and everyone,

I have really appreciated the off-topic list.  I joined several AP type
groups while pg and found they were mostly off-topic and high volume.
This is the only list I still read on a regular basis.  I find it's a
great place to ask AP type questions and I feel comfortable and at home
here.  I would like the off-topic list to continue.

Thanks

Kylie

On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 21:58 +0000, erinarlinghaus wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Whew.  I just got done with a whole lot of e-mailing.  OK, this is
> *especially* for everyone who's belonged to this yahoo list for
> longer than the last 48 hours.
>
> In case you haven't heard yet, CIN is cancelling all their discussion
> groups, including the "mother" of this one, CINNFP@... .   At
> least for the time being, *this list* is going to be the new home of
> the "main" CINNFP list.  It's the quickest way to serve the people
> who are losing the CIN list.  So in the next few days, expect to see
> a jump in membership.  Don Schloeder (the moderator on the other
> list) and I are going to try to get a list of email addresses
> currently subscribed to the CIN list, so that we can make sure
> everybody who wants to gets moved over.
>
> I want to ask everybody to be patient for a few weeks.  For now, feel
> free to continue the offtopic discussions as well as welcoming the
> ontopic ones from members who are just now moving over from CIN.
>
> Second, I want to hear from those who have been members of THIS
> OFFTOPIC LIST ON YAHOOGROUPS for a while.  Should I create another
> yahoogroups list called cinnfp-offtopic, and try to recreate the
> offtopic list there?  I have all your addresses, I know who you are,
> and I would be willing and able to do so, but I want to know if you
> think this is a good idea or if it's not necessary.  The reason we
> set this up in the first place was just so we could share photos,
> which we couldn't do at CIN, but obviously it's become a comfy, small
> discussion list for all kinds of stuff, and that will probably have
> to change now (because this list will have to fulfill the very
> important role that the main list did, namely, being the *premier*
> mail list on the internet for actually having useful information
> about NFP from the Catholic perspective.)
>
> Let me know on list.
>
> Erin
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: maryc77345 [mailto:maryc77345@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:36 PM
To: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cinnfp] infertility

Hi All,

I'm a newcomer to this list, but was on the CIN list.  I recently
went to the doctor for infertility as we had been ttc on and off
over two years and have nothing to show for it.  We have the results
from our first test, which was dh's sperm analysis.  My dh it turns
out has very poor sperm morphology.  Has anyone else out there
experienced this problem?  We have a very healthy lifestyle, though
my husband still eats relatively poorly and has not been taking a
vitamin (though he will be now!).  It would be great if someone
would like to reply on or off-list with any experiences they may
have had.  Nearly everyone we know (family and friends) around our
age has already had their first and some nearly their second child,
so I often feel like we're all alone out here with our conception
problems.  It's just hard to talk about for me also.

I know this is not really related, but I was wondering if anyone has
any experience with the radiological HSG test (I won't try to spell
it because I kno I can't.)

Thanks much,

Mary (nearly 29 and really wanting a family)
Dayton, OH

>
>Second, I want to hear from those who have been members of THIS
>OFFTOPIC LIST ON YAHOOGROUPS for a while.  Should I create another
>yahoogroups list called cinnfp-offtopic, and try to recreate the
>offtopic list there?  I have all your addresses, I know who you are,
>and I would be willing and able to do so, but I want to know if you
>think this is a good idea or if it's not necessary.  The reason we
>set this up in the first place was just so we could share photos,
>which we couldn't do at CIN, but obviously it's become a comfy, small
>discussion list for all kinds of stuff, and that will probably have
>to change now (because this list will have to fulfill the very
>important role that the main list did, namely, being the *premier*
>mail list on the internet for actually having useful information
>about NFP from the Catholic perspective.)
>
>Let me know on list.
>
>Erin
>
>

Erin,

I don't care if it's one list or two, but I continue to want a place for the
off-topic discussions  (be it all on the one list, or a separate off-topic
list).  I have come to rely on you all and your opinions on a lot of
parenting/childrearing/childbirth/breastfeeding/health/general Christian
issues--plus your NFP experience, of course!   I don't always have someone
physically close to me with the same views to talk about these things with.
The off-topic list is really helpful to me.

My 2 cents,

Tabitha
>

I just joined here because we were told the CINNFP list is shutting
down.  I'd also like to put in a BIG vote for a Catholic-specific
list.  It's disheartening to discuss/read about infertility issues
that are not Catholic oriented.  I am willing to head up such a list
if necessary.

Kim



--- In cinnfp@yahoogroups.com, "K. Cornish Scott"
<kcornishscott@y...> wrote:
> my vote is do another offtopic list.. I like having a
> list of Catholic NFP'er to go to should I have stuff
> that I want that perspective on, but I don't have time
> for the main list.
>
> Krista

my vote is do another offtopic list.. I like having a
list of Catholic NFP'er to go to should I have stuff
that I want that perspective on, but I don't have time
for the main list.

Krista

Hi All,

I'm a newcomer to this list, but was on the CIN list.  I recently
went to the doctor for infertility as we had been ttc on and off
over two years and have nothing to show for it.  We have the results
from our first test, which was dh's sperm analysis.  My dh it turns
out has very poor sperm morphology.  Has anyone else out there
experienced this problem?  We have a very healthy lifestyle, though
my husband still eats relatively poorly and has not been taking a
vitamin (though he will be now!).  It would be great if someone
would like to reply on or off-list with any experiences they may
have had.  Nearly everyone we know (family and friends) around our
age has already had their first and some nearly their second child,
so I often feel like we're all alone out here with our conception
problems.  It's just hard to talk about for me also.

I know this is not really related, but I was wondering if anyone has
any experience with the radiological HSG test (I won't try to spell
it because I kno I can't.)

Thanks much,

Mary (nearly 29 and really wanting a family)
Dayton, OH

Scratch that, my email address is actually erinarlinghaus@..., not
COM.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erin Arlinghaus <erinarlinghaus@...>
Sent: Nov 23, 2004 1:45 PM
To: dschloeder@...
Cc: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cinnfp] Re: APPROVE -- powaydon <dschloeder@...> wants to join
cinnfp


Hi Don, *this is being copied to the cinnfp@yahoogroups.com list*,

I haven't been subbed to CIN for a while (changed isps some time ago and never
got around to resubbing), so I wonder if you would pass the following
information to the list, if there's still time to post.

  - First of all, YES, the CINNFP yahoogroups offtopic list will become the new
CINNFP on-topic list.  Please, if you will, post detailed instructions telling
people how to join.   Normally the group is moderated and I have to approve new
members (I had a rule that members had to come from CINNFP), but I am just now
changing that.  **Subscription will now be automatic.** To subscribe to the
yahoo list, people should go to http://groups.yahoo.com and sign up for a yahoo
account if they have not got one already, then they can go to
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cinnfp/ and click "join this group!" to
join.  Anyone with problems, have them email me directly at
erinarlinghaus@... .

  - The yahoo list used to be, more or less, an offtopic group.  For the time
being I will allow both ontopic and offtopic posts, until we figure out where
the group is headed; then I may start a separate offtopic list.  Please ask
people who are switching over to be patient with offtopic posts for a few weeks,
remembering that there are about 20 people who have been happily conversing on
off-topics on this list for a couple of years now.   I'm not sure which
arrangement will work best yet.

OK, now, Don, do you want me to put you as a moderator on the yahoo group?  I
will still be moderator and listowner, but I can name as many moderators as I
want.

Erin





Yahoo! Groups Links

Thank you, Erin, for stepping up to the plate to take care of our group of
folks...so we don't disband.

-Donna
Mama to Anthony (10), Coryanna (8), Gabe (4), Baby Francis in Heaven
(11-21-01),  & Bobby (22 mo.)
Wife to dear husband Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Erin Arlinghaus [mailto:erinarlinghaus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:46 PM
To: dschloeder@...
Cc: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cinnfp] Re: APPROVE -- powaydon <dschloeder@...> wants to
join cinnfp


Hi Don, *this is being copied to the cinnfp@yahoogroups.com list*,

I haven't been subbed to CIN for a while (changed isps some time ago and
never got around to resubbing), so I wonder if you would pass the following
information to the list, if there's still time to post.

  - First of all, YES, the CINNFP yahoogroups offtopic list will become the
new CINNFP on-topic list.  Please, if you will, post detailed instructions
telling people how to join.   Normally the group is moderated and I have to
approve new members (I had a rule that members had to come from CINNFP), but
I am just now changing that.  **Subscription will now be automatic.** To
subscribe to the yahoo list, people should go to http://groups.yahoo.com and
sign up for a yahoo account if they have not got one already, then they can
go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/cinnfp/ and click "join this
group!" to join.  Anyone with problems, have them email me directly at
erinarlinghaus@... .

  - The yahoo list used to be, more or less, an offtopic group.  For the time
being I will allow both ontopic and offtopic posts, until we figure out
where the group is headed; then I may start a separate offtopic list.
Please ask people who are switching over to be patient with offtopic posts
for a few weeks, remembering that there are about 20 people who have been
happily conversing on off-topics on this list for a couple of years now.
I'm not sure which arrangement will work best yet.

OK, now, Don, do you want me to put you as a moderator on the yahoo group?
I will still be moderator and listowner, but I can name as many moderators
as I want.

Erin





Yahoo! Groups Links

I'd say, let's just join the two groups into the current yahoo group, and
watch how much traffic we get.

If the email volume is large, then we could split off into a second yahoo
group.

What do you think?


-Donna
Mama to Anthony (10), Coryanna (8), Gabe (4), Baby Francis in Heaven
(11-21-01),  & Bobby (22 mo.)
Wife to dear husband Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: erinarlinghaus [mailto:erinarlinghaus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:58 PM
To: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cinnfp] the cin list




Hi everyone,

Whew.  I just got done with a whole lot of e-mailing.  OK, this is
*especially* for everyone who's belonged to this yahoo list for
longer than the last 48 hours.

In case you haven't heard yet, CIN is cancelling all their discussion
groups, including the "mother" of this one, CINNFP@... .   At
least for the time being, *this list* is going to be the new home of
the "main" CINNFP list.  It's the quickest way to serve the people
who are losing the CIN list.  So in the next few days, expect to see
a jump in membership.  Don Schloeder (the moderator on the other
list) and I are going to try to get a list of email addresses
currently subscribed to the CIN list, so that we can make sure
everybody who wants to gets moved over.

I want to ask everybody to be patient for a few weeks.  For now, feel
free to continue the offtopic discussions as well as welcoming the
ontopic ones from members who are just now moving over from CIN.

Second, I want to hear from those who have been members of THIS
OFFTOPIC LIST ON YAHOOGROUPS for a while.  Should I create another
yahoogroups list called cinnfp-offtopic, and try to recreate the
offtopic list there?  I have all your addresses, I know who you are,
and I would be willing and able to do so, but I want to know if you
think this is a good idea or if it's not necessary.  The reason we
set this up in the first place was just so we could share photos,
which we couldn't do at CIN, but obviously it's become a comfy, small
discussion list for all kinds of stuff, and that will probably have
to change now (because this list will have to fulfill the very
important role that the main list did, namely, being the *premier*
mail list on the internet for actually having useful information
about NFP from the Catholic perspective.)

Let me know on list.

Erin







Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi everyone,

Whew.  I just got done with a whole lot of e-mailing.  OK, this is
*especially* for everyone who's belonged to this yahoo list for
longer than the last 48 hours.

In case you haven't heard yet, CIN is cancelling all their discussion
groups, including the "mother" of this one, CINNFP@... .   At
least for the time being, *this list* is going to be the new home of
the "main" CINNFP list.  It's the quickest way to serve the people
who are losing the CIN list.  So in the next few days, expect to see
a jump in membership.  Don Schloeder (the moderator on the other
list) and I are going to try to get a list of email addresses
currently subscribed to the CIN list, so that we can make sure
everybody who wants to gets moved over.

I want to ask everybody to be patient for a few weeks.  For now, feel
free to continue the offtopic discussions as well as welcoming the
ontopic ones from members who are just now moving over from CIN.

Second, I want to hear from those who have been members of THIS
OFFTOPIC LIST ON YAHOOGROUPS for a while.  Should I create another
yahoogroups list called cinnfp-offtopic, and try to recreate the
offtopic list there?  I have all your addresses, I know who you are,
and I would be willing and able to do so, but I want to know if you
think this is a good idea or if it's not necessary.  The reason we
set this up in the first place was just so we could share photos,
which we couldn't do at CIN, but obviously it's become a comfy, small
discussion list for all kinds of stuff, and that will probably have
to change now (because this list will have to fulfill the very
important role that the main list did, namely, being the *premier*
mail list on the internet for actually having useful information
about NFP from the Catholic perspective.)

Let me know on list.

Erin

--- "K. Cornish Scott" <kcornishscott@...>
wrote:
> > Valerie (coming back after news of the CINNFP list
> > closing down)
>
> What? really? only that one or all the CIN lists?

Krista, here is the email Don S. sent:
Our generous hosts, Mike and Sharron Mollerus, have
decided that they must shut
down all of the CIN mailing lists, including this NFP
forum, as of 12/4. They
have been running CIN since the 80's when it was a BBS
run out of their kitchen,
and have dedicated countless hours to maintaining it.
Ultimately it has turned
into too much work to keep up with the technological
requirements. I am deeply
grateful for their sacrifices over the years. I hope
that the offshoot CINNFP
Yahoo group can continue as a forum for the members of
this list.







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