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Re: [cinnfp] Re: my dilemma

The issue here is the sharp rise in risks to the mother and fertility that
multiple cesareans incur. Risks of hysterectomy, secondary infertility, placenta
previa accreta, hemorrhage, etc increase with each subsequent cesarean.

See:
1)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16738145?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn\
trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


"The risks of placenta accreta, cystotomy, bowel injury, ureteral
injury, and ileus, the need for postoperative ventilation, intensive
care unit admission, hysterectomy, and blood transfusion requiring 4 or
more units, and the duration of operative time and hospital stay
significantly increased with increasing number of cesarean deliveries....Because
serious maternal morbidity increases progressively with
increasing number of cesarean deliveries, the number of intended
pregnancies should be considered during counseling regarding elective
repeat cesarean operation versus a trial of labor and when debating the
merits of elective primary cesarean delivery."

2)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16816051?ordinalpos=5&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn\
trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


"Multiple cesarean deliveries are associated with more difficult surgery
and increased blood loss compared with a second planned cesarean
delivery. The risk of major complications increases with cesarean
delivery number."


This is a total aside, but interestingly, in Judaism, they differentiate between
cesarean born children and non-cesarean born children.

From http://judaism.about.com/od/birthtomarri3/f/csect_bris.htm
"It will help if we crack open your Chumash (Bible) and look at
Leviticus 12:2-3. "If a woman has matured a human seed and gives birth
to a male (child), she shall be unclean for seven days; just as in the
days of her separation during her period shall she be unclean. And on
the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised."

The
source for the ability to violate Shabbos comes from the emphasis on
the eighth day. The Torah specifies the eighth day, and as such it
overides other mitzvot, such as keeping the Sabbath.

We know
from elsewhere (I don't want to get too far afield) that the
commandment in the Torah here applies to natural birth only. And when
the baby does not pass through the birth canal, he or she does not
experience "birth" in the legal sense.

Thus, a baby born through
a c-section does not have a specific command to do the bris on the
eighth day as does a baby who undergoes a natural birth process.

The Shulchan Aruch rules (Yoreh Deah 262:3) that if the eighth day falls on a
weekday, then we do the Bris on the eighth day. However, (Yoreh Deah 266:10) if
the eighth day falls on Shabbos (Sabbath) or Yom Tov (holiday), the bris should
take place after Shabbos/Yom Tov."
Elaine Mills
Co-Leader, ICAN of Atlanta
www.icanofatlanta.com




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Thank you for helping to clarify that. Lindsey _____ From: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cinnfp@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kate and Liam Cousino Sent:...
Linsdey Tullier
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Jul 16, 2009
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The issue here is the sharp rise in risks to the mother and fertility that multiple cesareans incur. Risks of hysterectomy, secondary infertility, placenta...
Elaine Mills
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Jul 15, 2009
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thanks. i would feel better about the whole thing if my husband wasn't a fallen away Catholic (and almost even anti-Church at this point). but thank you for...
Catholic Love
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Jul 15, 2009
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Catholic Love, I highly, emphatically, recommend you read the book "Birthing From Within". The author is not Catholic, or even Christian, I don't think, so be...
Bekah
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Jul 15, 2009
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Hugs and prayers to you!! Here is my take on the situation. I have never had a C-section, but my sister had 4 of them in a 5-year period, so it can be done....
Barb Szyszkiewicz
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Jul 15, 2009
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Well, maybe not about openness to life, but am I wrong that there are plenty of doctors who, after 2 or 3 c-sections, will start talking about how dangerous...
Jennifer Williams
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Jul 15, 2009
6:39 pm

It may be very difficult for you to find a doctor willing to do a VBAC. ?I'm not saying don't look, if that's what you want; but lots of doctors won't do them....
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Jul 15, 2009
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could you please clarify what you mean here: "Given appropriate medical support it's not a sin to opt for a repeat C-section and it's not a sin to try for a...
Catholic Love
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Jul 16, 2009
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Hi Catholic Love, I have been praying for you and your baby. It sounds like you have a wonderful and supportive NFP doctor. Have you shared your concerns and...
Colleen Hunter
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Jul 16, 2009
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Just an FYI, just because they are NFP-only doesn't make them good obstetricians. Where I am we have 2 NFP-only, awesome Catholic doctors, and both are...
Elaine Mills
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Jul 16, 2009
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I would agree with that. I live in the New Orleans area, and the closest NFP-only dr. is in Baton Rouge, about 2 hours away. Also, since I had an incompetent...
Linsdey Tullier
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Jul 16, 2009
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Have you consulted with your priest? That may also help alleviate some of your worries. Lindsey ... From: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com...
Linsdey Tullier
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Jul 16, 2009
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Mostly that I do think that a woman should have if at all possible a knowledgable birth attendent who can deal with any problem she is likely to have. Emily ...
Emily Bell
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Jul 16, 2009
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I do plan to talk to my doctor again in 2 weeks at my next visit regarding his personal opinion of whether I should VBAC or c-section. However, his nurse told...
Catholic Love
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Jul 16, 2009
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The church did make a statement several decades ago that women should not demand a cesarean simply to avoid labor but that they should be done when medically...
alicia
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Jul 16, 2009
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Ok, I can understand that. I never felt elective C-sections were a good idea anyway. It's major surgery. My understanding was that if it was, medically...
Linsdey Tullier
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Jul 16, 2009
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... Both of those are very interesting facts, Alicia -- Yes, I would be interested in hearing more about that when you are able to find the reference. Erin...
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Jul 16, 2009
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yes I would be interested in this info as well, especially before my next dr's appt (july 27) so i can discuss w/ dr ... From: erin@......
Catholic Love
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Alicia wrote ... Catholic Love answered ... CatholicLove, don't worry about this one if Alicia doesn't get back to you in time for your appointment. It's...
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Wow, Erin, I feel like crying tears of joy right now. obviously i am been on this list long enough for you all to know how my mind works. i really appreciate...
Catholic Love
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Jul 16, 2009
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That is certainly a valid concern but remember that your priority now needs to be on this pregnancy and what you and your baby need to get through it safely. ...
Linsdey Tullier
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Jul 16, 2009
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... Those are all important reasons to consider when weighing which is a better choice for you, just as there are reasons to consider a cesarean. I just wanted...
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