Heather,

I just started our NFP classes, so I am definitely not going to try and explain
what's going on. But I wanted to send some encouragement and prayers your way.
As far as your OB, I was just wondering myself if my dr even understands NFP.
She has not been supportive in the past of my natural birthing plans. :( And
just as you mentioned, since this is their area of expertise, whether they
believe in it or not, they should all be well-read on the topic! I can't
imagine it is easy with an impending move, but can you find another OB who comes
highly recommended from friends? Or maybe even your church? I know in our
bulletin every week, there are family practitioners on the back for advertising
- usually some are parishioners. Maybe someone can refer you? Anyway, thought
I'd help a little. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

-Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: reginaandcupsmom
To: cinnfp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: [cinnfp] Re: Chart/pregnancy tests



Jennifer,

Wow, thanks for so much time and info.!

To answer your questions; 1)yes, I set my alarm for 6:00am every
morning (as annoying as that was).
2)I do use a basal thermometer.
3)Yes, I check both cervix and mucus every bathroom trip, which can
be anywhere from 4-6 times per day, depending on if my girls let
me. :O)
4)First let me say, DO NOT go on vacation without your kids if you
are in the abst. phase, especially if it's already been four weeks.
haha. So intercourse took place day 9 and day 10 (I know, I know.
Two consecutive days is a big no-no). But nothing further happened
until day 22, which I thought to be day 3 of high temps.

Oh, the chart begins Aug.15 and we are now on day 36 on Sept.19. I
was unable to take the temps day 34 and 35. Today it was 97.9

As far as I know this couple is not with the CCL. But I will check
with my husband. I did ask him about the seeming low temps. He said
not to worry that every woman has her own set of temps. And 96 range
is nothing to worry about. I thought this was a little weird, but
hey, what do I know? I was shocked that I have such low temps,
because I'm the person who is alway complaining that it's too hot,
while others are shivering in their hats and coats.

I think I used Rule R, but not 100% sure what we are talking about.
I drew cover line at 97.1 starting day 20, and going back six temps.
97.1 was .1 degree higher than the six previous temps. and the next
two days (maiking three days in all) stayed above that line, so I
thought we were safe.

It seems to me that you practically have to be an expert in this to
make it work. It doesn't seem that practical to me. But because we
are Catholic and need to space the children, it is our only option.
I just hope it IS an option for us.

Yes, we are obviously meant to have another baby. The baby I don't
mind, coming from a family of 13, I love kids. It's the pregnancy
itself and the incredible strain it puts on all of us. We are
supposed to be moving from NY to AL three weeks after I am due. I am
still going to school. And my husband is very busy teaching and
writing (although he is absolutely wonderful and supportive
). Sooo, I'm not sure how this is going to work. But I'm sure God
will send us the help/grace to get through it.

I don't know that my first chart would be very useful. I was still
partial breast-feeding,and the temp. times were all over the place.

Hmm, when I ask the doctor for a blood test, should I mention
something about lower than normal temps? Although my OB/GYN doesn't
know anything NFP other than it exists. His nurse practioner was
grilling me on using it the DAY I had the miscarriage. She wanted to
know why NFP is acceptable and not the pill or condoms. I told her
as a Catholic artificial means of contraception are out for many
reasons, and I wasn't really able to explain it well at that time.
But she insisted that NFP is birth control and I shouldn't be using
this either. Then she wanted to know how it works, and I'm
thinking "here you are, the "professional" and *I* have to tell you
about this?!"

So I really don't want to go back after she told me NOT to get
pregnant and that I have too much on my plate and implied that if I
were smart I would look into the pill.

Well, hmm. Thanks so much for everbody's input. Please feel free to
tell me where I'm messing up. Special thanks to you, Jennifer, for
the time and energy in answering my questions.

Heather

--- In cinnfp@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Williams" <jen731@l...>
wrote:
> Heather,
>
> I really hope this is not a CCL teacher you are talking with. If
so,
> maybe central needs to be informed because pregnancy tests do test
hcg
> as you read and not progesterone. And while pregnancy tests are
not
> always 100% accurate, they are almost totally accurate if they are
> saying that you *are* pregnant. It is the false negatives which
are
> part of the inaccuracies. Plus there seems to be a lack of
sensitivity
> there as well.
>
> Okay, so let's check out this chart here.
>
> First, let me make sure that we have all the info we need. I am
not
> trying to offend you with any of these questions, just want to
make sure
> that everything was done right.
>
> Were you taking your temp at the same time every morning?
> Are you using a basal thermometer?
> Are you checking for mucus at every bathroom trip?
> Have you recorded the last act of intercourse before phase 2
(day 9)
> and the first day of intercourse in phase 3 (day 22) here or were
there
> any days you may have missed? (you mentioned something in your
other
> email about slipping up during vacation - if that is so, was that
during
> this chart? Is that the day 9 one? Were there any others?)
>
> Assuming that the above are correct, let me first say that I'm
really
> concerned about your low temperatures. Something is definitely not
> right there, and it may have to do with why you lost your last
baby and
> why your other pregnancies have been so difficult. (I also want
to say
> how very sorry I am on your recent loss. May God heal your sorrow
and
> may your baby pray for us all from God's loving arms!) Low basal
body
> temperature is most usually associated with thyroid disorders,
> especially hypothyroidism. Any time where you are consistently
having
> to renumber the charts to lower the temps so that you can chart
them is
> sort of a warning sign that something is not right medically.
>
> I am a CCL teacher, so I'm going to explain things with the CCL
rules.
> If this is not the class that you took, then the info. may not
make as
> much sense; in which case - ask me questions and I'll explain.
>
> For a beginner, or for someone with a real need to postpone, we
would
> advise you to use Rule C. For this rule, you would need 3 days of
> temperatures at or above your high temperature level (HTL) and 4-5
days
> of drying up. In your case, you had the drying up with no
problem, but
> your High temperature level is 97.4; on day 22 you did not have
the 3
> days at or above the high temperature level yet. Is this the day
that
> we are assuming conception took place? (You said you were 3 weeks
> along, but I don't know when this chart began). If so, it seems
like
> intercourse took place too quickly to the time of ovulation. You
may be
> one of those women who ovulates twice in a cycle (within 24 hours
of the
> first) but it was just enough time for your husbands swimmers to
reach
> up there.
>
> Now, you could have used Rule R (a less conservative rule) to
define day
> 22 as the first day of Phase three. You would have shaved the
temp on
> day 14 by .1 degree to 96.9, making your HTL 97.3, in which case
you
> have your 3 days of thermal shift and plenty of drying up. So, why
> would you have conceived at this time? *I don't know!* The only
thing
> I can say is that if I had an NFP couple in my class with pre-shift
> temps consistently in the 96s, I would have sent them to a doctor
or
> recommended some of the nutrition fixes from Marilyn Shannon's
book. I
> would have recommended using Rule C in which case you would have
waited
> until day 25 for phase 3 to begin; a little more abstinence, but
more
> security in a need-to-prevent time. I would have also told you
that
> rarely (in the charts that I have seen) does 97.3 indicate a
temperature
> in the post-shift phase. I would have just been leary if you told
me
> that your temp was 97.3 and you though you were in phase 3. It
may be
> that the mucus you saw on day 21 was masking a little bit of
fertile
> mucus and you really ovulated on day 21/22? When you have a peak
day at
> day 16 and you have a delayed temperature rise it does make me
> suspicious that there was some sort of split peak happening there
and
> maybe you missed some fertile mucus during that time. It's just
rare to
> see peak day on day 16 and the first day of a thermal shift on day
20.
> Were you checking mucus internally at all?
>
> I want to say that NFP can and does work for everyone because
> biologically it has to. The increase in estrogen in your body
before
> ovulation will produce the cervical mucus; the progesterone after
> ovulation will cause your temps to rise. In your case, if your
previous
> charts looked like this one (with the temperatures being so low) I
would
> have to say that there is something else going on that is
interfering
> with your charting. If you want to post your other pregnancy
chart, I'd
> be happy to look at that one as well. If you are a CCL member, you
> should ask your teaching couple to send your chart to CCL and have
them
> look at this pregnancy chart and see what they think. Something
like
> hypothyroidism can be medically corrected and lead you to more
success
> with your charting. I would also probably advise you to learn the
> cervix sign as another cross check if you have a time where you are
> really trying to abstain.
>
> God bless you, Heather, and congratulations on your pregnancy.
God must
> really, really love you if He is so intent on you having a child
right
> now. :) I mean, these are not subtle hints from God, are they?
Two
> pregnancies that really shouldn't have been (according to the
charts).
> God must have something special planned for this child and your
family.
> I hope that you will not give up on NFP. Next time around I hope
you
> can find a different set of teachers and you can ask questions
here or
> even to me personally so we can make it work for you.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
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