Thanks Mark, I am going to try the quad squat and the achilies stretch. I
already do the hammie stretch. I am soooo convinced that these movements keep
the major pain away.
I'll let you know in one week.
Pat

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, aussie7007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: aussie7007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Leg stretches - Mark's secret weapons ...!!
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 3:45 PM

I noticed that a few of you are doing various stretches .. so here is my
contribution towards 'reducing' the stresses around the knee structure that
ultimately ends up in our lower backs .. try these three basic movements for a
week and then send me all your money ..!!
1) Touch your toes .. how many times did we have to do that as a kid .. and
don't cheat .. we want those knees as straight as possible so we work that big
hammy muscle; .. if you cant do that without falling over then lie on your back
and wriggle your backside into the wall surface slowly getting your butt closer
to the wall each day .. (take your shoes off)
2) Mark's secret weapon stretch .. at arms length grab the edge of your kitchen
sink with feet apart and drop into a squat position as far as you can go and
then at the bottom take a deep breath and release for that little extra stretch
right at the bottom .. do this five times every morning when you get up ..
(guaranteed to fix that lower back and fire up those quads)
3) Work that achilles heel muscle .. you would be surprised how many dramas that
muscle can cause if you dont work it .. simply walk up to a step and place your
feet at the inclined angle and lean forward into it .. if you are already
screaming guess what .. I have been there ..!@!
OK,.. in one weeks time let me know how you all go ..!!
Seeya ..
Mark
Australia   




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I noticed that a few of you are doing various stretches .. so here is my
contribution towards 'reducing' the stresses around the knee structure that
ultimately ends up in our lower backs .. try these three basic movements for a
week and then send me all your money ..!!
1) Touch your toes .. how many times did we have to do that as a kid .. and
don't cheat .. we want those knees as straight as possible so we work that big
hammy muscle; .. if you cant do that without falling over then lie on your back
and wriggle your backside into the wall surface slowly getting your butt closer
to the wall each day .. (take your shoes off)
2) Mark's secret weapon stretch .. at arms length grab the edge of your kitchen
sink with feet apart and drop into a squat position as far as you can go and
then at the bottom take a deep breath and release for that little extra stretch
right at the bottom .. do this five times every morning when you get up ..
(guaranteed to fix that lower back and fire up those quads)
3) Work that achilles heel muscle .. you would be surprised how many dramas that
muscle can cause if you dont work it .. simply walk up to a step and place your
feet at the inclined angle and lean forward into it .. if you are already
screaming guess what .. I have been there ..!@!
OK,.. in one weeks time let me know how you all go ..!!
Seeya ..
Mark
Australia

Hi, Jennifer; sorry, I haven't been checking the group posts recently.
 
I do a LOT of short arc knee bends.  They seem to do the most good when I do
them on a machine, either the bench with the leg attachment or a specific
Nautilus-type machine for quad strengthening.  I use only about 12 lbs of
weights and do a lot of reps.  Toes pointed, 50 reps and 50 with feet flexed. 
Some fast, some slow.  With variations so I don't get bored or with the idea of
cross-training/challenging the muscle.  I do only very short arcs, maybe 10-15
degrees.  And then standing stretches of the IT band, each leg as well as seated
yoga stretches in the "firelog" position.  Great stretch!
 
I focus every day on the exercises above and maybe 3x a week I add hamstring
curls, inner/outer thigh work plus hip flexor strengthening.  
 
Doing all this regularly seems to keep the serious pain away.
 
 
Sally

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:


From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:32 AM


 



Hi Sally,

I meant in a squat stance, but with my feet turned out so that they look like a
V.

It's interesting that you have pain in that stance. So far, I have no problems
doing that squat, but have completely lost the ability to do a normal squat
(toes pointed straight); even on the leg press.

I can see how ballet would make it difficult for you! What do you do for quad
stregthening?

Jennifer

--- In chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com, off2benomads@ ... wrote:
>
> Jennifer -
>  
> I'm not sure which way the "V" (of the V squat you talk about) is pointed.  Do
you mean toes pointing inward or outward?  It may be different for each
individual, how far in or out brings pain, and each of us may need to experiment
with that in order to tell.  I know that when my feet are turned out, I get a
heck of a lot more knee pain.  Probably related to those years of ballet
training that likely made things worse for me!
>  
> Sally
>
> yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ ...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:25 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
>
> Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?
>
> Jennifer
>
>
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I had one in 2006 and I'm actually much much better now, although he also
cleaned up a lot in there and I've done TONS of strengthening post-op.  But
whatever combination it was must have done something good, because I can do
things now that were out of the question before the surgery.

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, theAntiChick <theantichick@...>
wrote:
>
> I have yet to meet or talk online to anyone who had good results from a
> lateral release.  My OS says he doesn't do them except in very rare cases
> where he sees clear indicators that it can help, that almost all the time a
> soft tissue realignment is not enough to actually change the tracking so if
> that's really the problem, he needs to do a bony realignment.
>
> T.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Sean Butler <sean@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > That's exactly what I said -- keep things to a minimum. I specifically said
> > if recovery time was going to be more than 6-12 weeks, to not do it, and
> > wake me up, and we'd talk more. I also was very leery of a lateral release
> > and did not want to go down that road yet, so I was just honest and said do
> > not do it...
> >
> > /Sean
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Don Franck wrote:
> >
> > > I have had good results and bad results. I to had a lateral release that
> > I
> > > believ emade things much worse. I had had scopes done where they just did
> > > some clean up that had great results. I just depends on what the surgeon
> > > does. You could try and ask that work be kept to a minumum. Like no
> > > lateral release.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe
<lstowe1@...<lstowe1%40tx.rr.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> > >> Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> > >> injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
> > >> those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
> > >> they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
> > >> let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> > >> several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Linda
> > >>
> > >> Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> > >> www.dodgerslist.com
> > >> Order Dodgerslist Literature
> > >> http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> > >> See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> > >> http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
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Jennifer:

Sorry for the delayed response... haven't been checking in much lately.

Prolotherapy is an injection technique that helps rebuild connective tissues
(tendons and ligaments).  I have found it very beneficial and I believe it was
the key to getting my knee healthy.  There's plenty of information out there.

Some good places to start are:
http://www.getprolo.com/
http://www.caringmedical.com/therapies/prolotherapy.asp

Here is my doc:
http://www.advancedpainsolution.com/

Let me know if you have any questions about prolotherapy or anything else.

Take care,
Doug




--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer.kelly34"
<jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> What is prolotherapy? I have never heard of this. Have you had success with
it?
>
> Jennifer
>

I have yet to meet or talk online to anyone who had good results from a
lateral release.  My OS says he doesn't do them except in very rare cases
where he sees clear indicators that it can help, that almost all the time a
soft tissue realignment is not enough to actually change the tracking so if
that's really the problem, he needs to do a bony realignment.

T.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Sean Butler <sean@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> That's exactly what I said -- keep things to a minimum. I specifically said
> if recovery time was going to be more than 6-12 weeks, to not do it, and
> wake me up, and we'd talk more. I also was very leery of a lateral release
> and did not want to go down that road yet, so I was just honest and said do
> not do it...
>
> /Sean
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Don Franck wrote:
>
> > I have had good results and bad results. I to had a lateral release that
> I
> > believ emade things much worse. I had had scopes done where they just did
> > some clean up that had great results. I just depends on what the surgeon
> > does. You could try and ask that work be kept to a minumum. Like no
> > lateral release.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe
<lstowe1@...<lstowe1%40tx.rr.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> >> Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> >> injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
> >> those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
> >> they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
> >> let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> >> several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> >> www.dodgerslist.com
> >> Order Dodgerslist Literature
> >> http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> >> See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> >> http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Don
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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That's exactly what I said -- keep things to a minimum.  I specifically said if
recovery time was going to be more than 6-12 weeks, to not do it, and wake me
up, and we'd talk more.  I also was very leery of a lateral release and did not
want to go down that road yet, so I was just honest and said do not do it...

/Sean


On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Don Franck wrote:

> I have had good results and bad results.  I to had a lateral release that I
> believ emade things much worse.  I had had scopes done where they just did
> some clean up that had great results.  I just depends on what the surgeon
> does.  You could try and ask that work be kept to a minumum.  Like no
> lateral release.
>
> Don
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe <lstowe1@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
>> Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
>> injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
>> those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
>> they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
>> let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
>> several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Linda
>>
>> Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
>> www.dodgerslist.com
>> Order Dodgerslist Literature
>> http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
>> See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
>> http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Don
>
>
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>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Linda,

I have had two scopes - one on each knee. The OS simply cleaned the area up. I
was told there was a 50/50 chance in terms of it atcually helping relieve the
symptoms of CMP/get rid of pain.

The scope on my right knee was a tremendous success. Before it, I could barely
extend my knee and get up stairs. Now, I have total range of motion back and my
pain is more of a dull ache (and that is only occassioanlly).

For whatever reason, however, the scope did not work on my left. My level of
discomfort has remianed the same, as have my symtoms (grinding sensation, high
inflammation, inabilty to do certain movements). The OS did say my left was
slightly worse in terms of cartlage wear, so maybe that's why. All in all, I do
recommend them.

Jennifer

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Linda Stowe <lstowe1@...> wrote:
>
> I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> Dallas area.  We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> injections which didn't work.     Now he wants to do a scope.  For
> those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome.  Did
> they help or can they make things worse.   I'm really reluctant to
> let a  surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
>
> Thanks
> Linda
>
> Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> www.dodgerslist.com
> Order Dodgerslist Literature
> http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
>

I had a lateral release a long time ago (16+ years) and it was useless.  I
had a scope for diagnosis and to gather cartilage for Carticel, and had good
results from it, short term.  All he did with the scope was a clean-up, and
I was pain free for several months, until my maltracking (I'm presuming)
started chewing up the cartilage again, since the defect was larger when we
did the Carticel 10 months later than it was at the time of the scope.  Even
when the pain came back, it wasn't any worse than what I'd started with, and
I had a good 6 months' completely pain free until the maltracking screwed it
up again.

My scope was helpful enough that I'm considering asking my OS about the
possibility of doing just the clean-up in conjunction with the bony
realignment since my insurance company will not pay for Carticel on my other
knee.  I have a theory that if we correct the malalignment, and he cleans up
the ragged cartilage and gives me good borders and a clear synovium, that
I'd probably be ok for a good long while.

Tracee/theAntiChick

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe <lstowe1@...> wrote:

>
>
> I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
> those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
> they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
> let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
>
> Thanks
> Linda
>
> Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> www.dodgerslist.com
> Order Dodgerslist Literature
> http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
>
>


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Then I think you should be OK.  Like I said, I have had some very good
result other than the one lateral release.

Good luck and keep us posted.
Don

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, First L <lstowe1@...> wrote:

>
>
> He said he wouldn't do any lateral release or do anything more then look
> and clean up if necessary.
>
> Thanks
> Linda
>
>
> --- In
chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com<chondromalaciacommunity%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> Don Franck <panteradon@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have had good results and bad results. I to had a lateral release that
> I
> > believ emade things much worse. I had had scopes done where they just did
> > some clean up that had great results. I just depends on what the surgeon
> > does. You could try and ask that work be kept to a minumum. Like no
> > lateral release.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe <lstowe1@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> > > Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> > > injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
> > > those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
> > > they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
> > > let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> > > several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> > > www.dodgerslist.com
> > > Order Dodgerslist Literature
> > > http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> > > See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> > > http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Don
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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Don


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He said he wouldn't do any lateral release or do anything more then look and
clean up if necessary.

Thanks
Linda




--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Don Franck <panteradon@...>
wrote:
>
> I have had good results and bad results.  I to had a lateral release that I
> believ emade things much worse.  I had had scopes done where they just did
> some clean up that had great results.  I just depends on what the surgeon
> does.  You could try and ask that work be kept to a minumum.  Like no
> lateral release.
>
> Don
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe <lstowe1@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> > Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> > injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
> > those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
> > they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
> > let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> > several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Linda
> >
> > Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> > www.dodgerslist.com
> > Order Dodgerslist Literature
> > http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> > See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> > http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Don
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have had good results and bad results.  I to had a lateral release that I
believ emade things much worse.  I had had scopes done where they just did
some clean up that had great results.  I just depends on what the surgeon
does.  You could try and ask that work be kept to a minumum.  Like no
lateral release.

Don

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Linda Stowe <lstowe1@...> wrote:

>
>
> I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
> Dallas area. We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
> injections which didn't work. Now he wants to do a scope. For
> those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome. Did
> they help or can they make things worse. I'm really reluctant to
> let a surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
> several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.
>
> Thanks
> Linda
>
> Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
> www.dodgerslist.com
> Order Dodgerslist Literature
> http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
> See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
> http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm
>
>



--
Don


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I just came back from a visit with my ortho since we moved to the
Dallas area.  We tried a steroid shot and then did the Supartz
injections which didn't work.     Now he wants to do a scope.  For
those of you who have had this done can you tell me the outcome.  Did
they help or can they make things worse.   I'm really reluctant to
let a  surgeon do anything as when I had the lateral release done
several years ago, I came of surgery much worse.

Thanks
Linda

Help Fight Dachshund Disc Disease
www.dodgerslist.com
Order Dodgerslist Literature
http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature.htm
See Scott's Unique Dachsie Sleighs
http://www.info-4u.com/dachsiesleighs/index.htm

Pat,
    Thanks for the encouragement. I am keeping up with my exercises. You are
right that the chondromalacia can be reversed. Mine is almost completely
tracking normally and I only had mild chondromalacia showing on the MRI to start
with. I didn't get it from running as I have never been much of a runner since
it has caused pain in my ankles to run ever since I was little. I got it from
the injury. My knee starting maltracking almost immediately after as I had a
fall directly on the upper part of the knee cap. I think I probably knocked it
out of place and I have weak ligaments to begin with so it probably didn't take
a whole lot of force and then I couldn't walk on it for a couple weeks which
made the muscles atrophy.
     The problem is that the hypermobility I was diagnosed with is genetic,
cannot be reversed, and any children I have will have a 50% chance of inheriting
the disorder(Ehlers Danlos Syndrome-Hypermobility type). I will never be able to
run or play ultimate frisbee, ice skate ect. without taking high risk of severe
injury; even normal daily living often causes osteoarthritis by age 30 and
chronic pain is common. I have developed chronic pain from trigger points in my
upper back and left buttocks from the fall as well. Workers comp does for some
reason accept that the injury caused the pain in the left buttocks but not the
upper back but they sent me to PT for two weeks and believe it should have been
cured and now any complaint of pain from me is my somehow just trying to take
advantage of the system! It is depressing at times.
     I've always wanted to have a baby but now go back and forth between wanting
that and just wanting to adopt a child that has already been brought into the
world rather than take that 50% chance of making my child suffer with this
disorder. Ultimately, I don't intend on doing anything that could make me
pregnant unless I get married and then my spouse and I would have to make that
decision.
      I hope all gets better with your chondromalacia. At least you only went two
years before getting help so there is hope. I waited 6 months trying to fight to
decision from workers comp to not cover it before I just decided to go through
my own insurance and not even mention anything to my own insurance about getting
hurt at work(lest they decide to not cover it either and the I would be between
a rock and a hard place). I just told my doctor that I had a fall and left the
part blank about where it happened. No one asked me so it worked.
I wish you the best. Keep your exercises up too! Wow, sorry this got to be
soooooooooo long.
Rachel

Hi Rachel,
Wow, sounds like you have a lot going on in your life! Going back to school for
NP or Nurse midwife sounds exciting. I work with both of them and they are well
respected professionals!
Your injury is one year old?
Runners get CMP very often (I think that is how I got it). And, from my earliest
readings about it, I had thought that if you catch it early enough, it can be
reversed. (You know, strengthening the quads, and stretching the hamstrings). I
had hoped for a long time that I could reverse mine. But, I have been running
for more than 30 years (yes, I am an oldie), and I had the pain for more than 2
years before I went to a doctor. (I waited because they were never able to help
me with any of my other running injuries). And, I also know that strengthening
the quads (the vastus medialis) takes a LONG time...I have heard, up to a year.
So, there is much hope for you.
Keep doing your exercises! 
Maybe next summer you will be doing the frisbee and skating, too!
Pat (age 61) (lol)

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, cntrygrlrak <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: cntrygrlrak <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] Insurance Problems
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:30 PM

Hey Pat,
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I have been incredibly busy and forgot to check the
group for new messages.
Yes, it has been quite a nightmare. Today marks 1 year since I was hurt. I am so
thankful that I have had no problems with my personal insurance paying for the
doctor's appointments, MRI, PT up to this point.
I am doing pretty well. I am back at work doing what I love to do (I'm a RN) but
I am also back in school trying to work on getting skills (to be a Nurse Midwife
or Nurse Practitioner) that do not require such a heavy work load on my body. I
had planned to go back and get a Master's degree anyway so this is just forcing
me to do it sooner rather than later.
I can walk up to 1 mile without any trouble. I have a hard time with any running
or jumping which has been very hard for me. All year, I've had to watch my
friends go ice skating, play ultimate frisbee, ect. and just have to say I can't
play. I also learned this Summer that my joints are really hypermobile (bend
beyond the normal range of motion-my knees and elbows bend 10-20 degrees
BACKWARDS, I can bend my thumb down to touch my forearm, ect...) and high risk
for injury and that I shouldn't do sports at all...for forever... I have to be
really careful even with the exercises I do for the chondromalacia.

Rachel-age 23

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Wow. That is incredible! You flew 6 feet?
> I am not surprised about the difficulty with workmens compensation. I work at
a hospital and I am amazed at how many of my patients have to fight, fight,
fight to get coverage for their workmen's comp. injuries. 
> What a nightmare you must be going through!
> Do you have other insurance to cover the MRI and the OS visits?
> So, it went from a sprained knee to chondromalacia to meniscus tear, and it
still is not healed?
> Are you back at work? Can you walk okay?
> Pat





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Hi Jennifer,
Hey, I did not get your 2 articles. Did you send them to pattio50@...?  
Anxiously looking forward to reading them!!!!!

You know, I also had warning signals about my CMP. I did not know what to do. I
rarely trust doctors, so I stopped running for 3 weeks at a time several times.
I did leg extensions, but that hurt so bad that I quickly stopped.. (I was doing
them incorrectly). Changed shoes, got orthotics...Nothing I did seemed to help.
The periodic pain went on for more than 2 years before I went to a doctor.
So, I also ignored the pain. Mostly because I did not know what to do.
So, I think you should not blame yourself for ignoring warning signals!  You
said it well :"there is no concrete evidence WHAT makes it worse, nor any
timeline of WHEN"...
Anyhow...looking forward to those 2 articles!
Have a good one!
Pat
 


--- On Thu, 11/5/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:59 PM

Hi Pat,

I think you have plenty of reason to be hopeful and positive in terms of
running. You did get the ability to run back and remember - there is no concrete
evidence WHAT exactly makes CMP get worse, nor is there any specific timeline of
WHEN.

So, stick to what you know: That running alternated with low impact works, as
does having strong quads.

I need you to know that I actually caused a lot of my own misery with CMP. I had
warning signs/symptoms for months before I finally stopped teaching. It was
pointed out to me by the OS that I basically made CMP get worse because I didn't
stop teaching. You, on the other hand, did catch it early. I've read that if you
catch it early, you have a better chance at managing it. So, I truly believe you
will be ok with running.

I felt a great sense of loss and sadness when I was forced to give up teaching.
I went through a very difficult time emotionally. But I came out of it and have
accepted - for the most part! :)  Like you, I feel the most depressed when
kicked out activity! I can TOTALLY relate to your feelings when you lost the
ability to run.

I am sending you two articles to your acocunt later tonight: The first is one
the emotional affects of injury (because I know you can relate) and the second
is the piece on the elliptical.

Jennifer :)





--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Jennifer,
> Yes, I enjoy doing new exercises that challenge me. That is why I started
doing the v squat and the elliptical. I have heard that we need to change up our
exercises in order to remain strong. Doing the same exercises all the time only
builds the same muscles. I welcome new information on how to strengthen.
>
> Yes, this is my e-mail address. I am Looking forward to reading your article.
I enjoy learning and reading. Especially about getting stronger, and exercise. 
I have been a fitness freak for most of my life (30+ years)
>
> I don't know why I am still able to run and not have any more pain than when I
first started back to running in Feb. 2009. Every day that I do run, I think it
might be my last day. When I did not run for the 7-8 months, and thought I might
not run again, I became depressed. I lost a lot of money in the stock market
during that time, but it did not depress me as much as not being able to run. I
saw in one of your posts that it was much the same for you when you had to give
up teaching fitness classes. I am sure that day will come for me. That is why I
am going to look into that prolotherapy or consult a chiropractor when things
get worse. This give me hope. Do you think about that, too?
>
> This group, and the information have gotten from it has given me SO MUCH hope!
>
> Stay in touch!
>
> Pat
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:12 PM
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> I can relate to how you feel. I am also dominated by the fear that exercise
could be snatched from me if CMP begins to get worse. As I said to you before, I
really love spin class. Going make up some of the hole that is left since I
stopped teaching fitness classes.
>
> So far, I have no discomfort in spin. But I always feel I am on a very thin
line - if I step over, I could become worse and lose that too.
>
> I really think the elliptical is safe for knees because it is powered by the
hamstrings and involves only one straight motion. In my opinion, if you are able
to RUN (a higher risk and impact based motion) still - you will be fine on a low
impact machine.
>
> I will send you the piece in my artile on the cross trainer - is this your
email? You might enjoy some of the little "tricks" - these are one I came up
when I was really bad with CMP and was restricted to only 20 mins of exercise.
>
> It seems to me you are already really strong in your legs so you don't even
need to do a lot of weight. Strength - once built - is easy to maintain. But
it's always nice to get a new move to challenge yourself isn't it? I love
thinking of new things to add.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer!
> > Glad your left knee is feeling better!
> > I get so afraid when I have pain, my thinking is that it will last forever
and I will never be the same again.
> >
> > You are doing an article on the elliptical? You can do different things on
it? hmm interesting. I did not know that. I just get on it and go. I would like
to know the different things to do on it. I keep it on the lowest resistance.
Fearful of upping the resistance..that it might hurt my knee.
> >
> > No soreness in the adductors with the V squat. No soreness at all. That is a
good thing, though. I don't do a lot of weight, but I feel that any additional
exercises will help with my leg strength. I work out on the adductor/abductor
machine so doing the v squat on the leg press machine adds to the different
exercises. Good thing!
> >
> > Can I get a copy of that article on the elliptical?
> >
> > Be well! Thanks for your support and information!
> > Pat
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> >
> > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:39 AM
> >
> > Hi Pat,
> >
> > My left knee is now back to 'normal'. I had a lot of pain behind my knee cap
(do you get pain there for CMP? MY PT said it is referral pain), but it faded
with Pennsaid and rest.
> >
> > My left is by far the worse out of the two. The scope really helped my right
and I only feel a dull ache in it every now and then. But the left has all the
classic CMPnes: the catcing sensation, that distinctive pain that makes you feel
like your knee is on fire!
> >
> > My OS said he could perform a second scope on it to shave away more fraying
pieces of cartlege, but I am hesitant. Some days I feel very desperate and I
want to make an appointment. Other days, I try to just accept that no matter
what, CMP will still go on.
> >
> > How are you finding the V-squat? Any soreness in your adductors/inner
thight?
> >
> > In my latest column, I talk about the elliptical! I'm discussing
thedifferent training techniques you could do on it safely. The ellipitcal can
really be interesting if you do different movements on it. I am so glad you
enjoy it! :)
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell
<pattio50@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jennifer!
> > > How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I
thought of you. How is your left knee?
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > > Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM
> > >
> > > By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I
laughed out loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your
ellipitcal" too! :)
> > >
> > > --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell
<pattio50@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jennifer,
> > > > Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut
for a few times.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful,
but I do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely
it is doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is
tightening up.
> > > >
> > > > I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might
put too much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??)
So, I only use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of
weight, more reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> > > > Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than
the stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked
at me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why
aren't you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one
year.  I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> > > > How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out
this week?
> > > > Pat
> > > >
> > > >  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > > > Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > > > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular
the vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat!
Did you find it helpful or painful?
> > > >
> > > > Jennifer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >       
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Pat,
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I have been incredibly busy and forgot to check the
group for new messages.
Yes, it has been quite a nightmare. Today marks 1 year since I was hurt. I am so
thankful that I have had no problems with my personal insurance paying for the
doctor's appointments, MRI, PT up to this point.
I am doing pretty well. I am back at work doing what I love to do (I'm a RN) but
I am also back in school trying to work on getting skills (to be a Nurse Midwife
or Nurse Practitioner) that do not require such a heavy work load on my body. I
had planned to go back and get a Master's degree anyway so this is just forcing
me to do it sooner rather than later.
I can walk up to 1 mile without any trouble. I have a hard time with any running
or jumping which has been very hard for me. All year, I've had to watch my
friends go ice skating, play ultimate frisbee, ect. and just have to say I can't
play. I also learned this Summer that my joints are really hypermobile (bend
beyond the normal range of motion-my knees and elbows bend 10-20 degrees
BACKWARDS, I can bend my thumb down to touch my forearm, ect...) and high risk
for injury and that I shouldn't do sports at all...for forever... I have to be
really careful even with the exercises I do for the chondromalacia.

Rachel-age 23

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Wow. That is incredible! You flew 6 feet?
> I am not surprised about the difficulty with workmens compensation. I work at
a hospital and I am amazed at how many of my patients have to fight, fight,
fight to get coverage for their workmen's comp. injuries. 
> What a nightmare you must be going through!
> Do you have other insurance to cover the MRI and the OS visits?
> So, it went from a sprained knee to chondromalacia to meniscus tear, and it
still is not healed?
> Are you back at work? Can you walk okay?
> Pat

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, I like the elliptical 100% better than the bike! Thanks!
>
Me too!
Rachel

Hi Pat,

I think you have plenty of reason to be hopeful and positive in terms of
running. You did get the ability to run back and remember - there is no concrete
evidence WHAT exactly makes CMP get worse, nor is there any specific timeline of
WHEN.

So, stick to what you know: That running alternated with low impact works, as
does having strong quads.

I need you to know that I actually caused a lot of my own misery with CMP. I had
warning signs/symptoms for months before I finally stopped teaching. It was
pointed out to me by the OS that I basically made CMP get worse because I didn't
stop teaching. You, on the other hand, did catch it early. I've read that if you
catch it early, you have a better chance at managing it. So, I truly believe you
will be ok with running.

I felt a great sense of loss and sadness when I was forced to give up teaching.
I went through a very difficult time emotionally. But I came out of it and have
accepted - for the most part! :)  Like you, I feel the most depressed when
kicked out activity! I can TOTALLY relate to your feelings when you lost the
ability to run.

I am sending you two articles to your acocunt later tonight: The first is one
the emotional affects of injury (because I know you can relate) and the second
is the piece on the elliptical.

Jennifer :)





--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Jennifer,
> Yes, I enjoy doing new exercises that challenge me. That is why I started
doing the v squat and the elliptical. I have heard that we need to change up our
exercises in order to remain strong. Doing the same exercises all the time only
builds the same muscles. I welcome new information on how to strengthen.
>
> Yes, this is my e-mail address. I am Looking forward to reading your article.
I enjoy learning and reading. Especially about getting stronger, and exercise. 
I have been a fitness freak for most of my life (30+ years)
>
> I don't know why I am still able to run and not have any more pain than when I
first started back to running in Feb. 2009. Every day that I do run, I think it
might be my last day. When I did not run for the 7-8 months, and thought I might
not run again, I became depressed. I lost a lot of money in the stock market
during that time, but it did not depress me as much as not being able to run. I
saw in one of your posts that it was much the same for you when you had to give
up teaching fitness classes. I am sure that day will come for me. That is why I
am going to look into that prolotherapy or consult a chiropractor when things
get worse. This give me hope. Do you think about that, too?
>
> This group, and the information have gotten from it has given me SO MUCH hope!
>
> Stay in touch!
>
> Pat
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:12 PM
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> I can relate to how you feel. I am also dominated by the fear that exercise
could be snatched from me if CMP begins to get worse. As I said to you before, I
really love spin class. Going make up some of the hole that is left since I
stopped teaching fitness classes.
>
> So far, I have no discomfort in spin. But I always feel I am on a very thin
line - if I step over, I could become worse and lose that too.
>
> I really think the elliptical is safe for knees because it is powered by the
hamstrings and involves only one straight motion. In my opinion, if you are able
to RUN (a higher risk and impact based motion) still - you will be fine on a low
impact machine.
>
> I will send you the piece in my artile on the cross trainer - is this your
email? You might enjoy some of the little "tricks" - these are one I came up
when I was really bad with CMP and was restricted to only 20 mins of exercise.
>
> It seems to me you are already really strong in your legs so you don't even
need to do a lot of weight. Strength - once built - is easy to maintain. But
it's always nice to get a new move to challenge yourself isn't it? I love
thinking of new things to add.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer!
> > Glad your left knee is feeling better!
> > I get so afraid when I have pain, my thinking is that it will last forever
and I will never be the same again.
> >
> > You are doing an article on the elliptical? You can do different things on
it? hmm interesting. I did not know that. I just get on it and go. I would like
to know the different things to do on it. I keep it on the lowest resistance.
Fearful of upping the resistance..that it might hurt my knee.
> >
> > No soreness in the adductors with the V squat. No soreness at all. That is a
good thing, though. I don't do a lot of weight, but I feel that any additional
exercises will help with my leg strength. I work out on the adductor/abductor
machine so doing the v squat on the leg press machine adds to the different
exercises. Good thing!
> >
> > Can I get a copy of that article on the elliptical?
> >
> > Be well! Thanks for your support and information!
> > Pat
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> >
> > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:39 AM
> >
> > Hi Pat,
> >
> > My left knee is now back to 'normal'. I had a lot of pain behind my knee cap
(do you get pain there for CMP? MY PT said it is referral pain), but it faded
with Pennsaid and rest.
> >
> > My left is by far the worse out of the two. The scope really helped my right
and I only feel a dull ache in it every now and then. But the left has all the
classic CMPnes: the catcing sensation, that distinctive pain that makes you feel
like your knee is on fire!
> >
> > My OS said he could perform a second scope on it to shave away more fraying
pieces of cartlege, but I am hesitant. Some days I feel very desperate and I
want to make an appointment. Other days, I try to just accept that no matter
what, CMP will still go on.
> >
> > How are you finding the V-squat? Any soreness in your adductors/inner
thight?
> >
> > In my latest column, I talk about the elliptical! I'm discussing
thedifferent training techniques you could do on it safely. The ellipitcal can
really be interesting if you do different movements on it. I am so glad you
enjoy it! :)
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell
<pattio50@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jennifer!
> > > How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I
thought of you. How is your left knee?
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > > Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM
> > >
> > > By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I
laughed out loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your
ellipitcal" too! :)
> > >
> > > --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell
<pattio50@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jennifer,
> > > > Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut
for a few times.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful,
but I do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely
it is doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is
tightening up.
> > > >
> > > > I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might
put too much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??)
So, I only use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of
weight, more reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> > > > Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than
the stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked
at me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why
aren't you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one
year.  I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> > > > How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out
this week?
> > > > Pat
> > > >
> > > >  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > > > Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > > > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular
the vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat!
Did you find it helpful or painful?
> > > >
> > > > Jennifer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >       
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Jennifer,
Yes, I enjoy doing new exercises that challenge me. That is why I started doing
the v squat and the elliptical. I have heard that we need to change up our
exercises in order to remain strong. Doing the same exercises all the time only
builds the same muscles. I welcome new information on how to strengthen.

Yes, this is my e-mail address. I am Looking forward to reading your article. I
enjoy learning and reading. Especially about getting stronger, and exercise.  I
have been a fitness freak for most of my life (30+ years)

I don't know why I am still able to run and not have any more pain than when I
first started back to running in Feb. 2009. Every day that I do run, I think it
might be my last day. When I did not run for the 7-8 months, and thought I might
not run again, I became depressed. I lost a lot of money in the stock market
during that time, but it did not depress me as much as not being able to run. I
saw in one of your posts that it was much the same for you when you had to give
up teaching fitness classes. I am sure that day will come for me. That is why I
am going to look into that prolotherapy or consult a chiropractor when things
get worse. This give me hope. Do you think about that, too?

This group, and the information have gotten from it has given me SO MUCH hope!

Stay in touch!

Pat

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:12 PM

Hi Pat,

I can relate to how you feel. I am also dominated by the fear that exercise
could be snatched from me if CMP begins to get worse. As I said to you before, I
really love spin class. Going make up some of the hole that is left since I
stopped teaching fitness classes.

So far, I have no discomfort in spin. But I always feel I am on a very thin line
- if I step over, I could become worse and lose that too.

I really think the elliptical is safe for knees because it is powered by the
hamstrings and involves only one straight motion. In my opinion, if you are able
to RUN (a higher risk and impact based motion) still - you will be fine on a low
impact machine.

I will send you the piece in my artile on the cross trainer - is this your
email? You might enjoy some of the little "tricks" - these are one I came up
when I was really bad with CMP and was restricted to only 20 mins of exercise.

It seems to me you are already really strong in your legs so you don't even need
to do a lot of weight. Strength - once built - is easy to maintain. But it's
always nice to get a new move to challenge yourself isn't it? I love thinking of
new things to add.

Jennifer






--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer!
> Glad your left knee is feeling better!
> I get so afraid when I have pain, my thinking is that it will last forever and
I will never be the same again.
>
> You are doing an article on the elliptical? You can do different things on it?
hmm interesting. I did not know that. I just get on it and go. I would like to
know the different things to do on it. I keep it on the lowest resistance.
Fearful of upping the resistance..that it might hurt my knee.
>
> No soreness in the adductors with the V squat. No soreness at all. That is a
good thing, though. I don't do a lot of weight, but I feel that any additional
exercises will help with my leg strength. I work out on the adductor/abductor
machine so doing the v squat on the leg press machine adds to the different
exercises. Good thing!
>
> Can I get a copy of that article on the elliptical?
>
> Be well! Thanks for your support and information!
> Pat
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:39 AM
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> My left knee is now back to 'normal'. I had a lot of pain behind my knee cap
(do you get pain there for CMP? MY PT said it is referral pain), but it faded
with Pennsaid and rest.
>
> My left is by far the worse out of the two. The scope really helped my right
and I only feel a dull ache in it every now and then. But the left has all the
classic CMPnes: the catcing sensation, that distinctive pain that makes you feel
like your knee is on fire!
>
> My OS said he could perform a second scope on it to shave away more fraying
pieces of cartlege, but I am hesitant. Some days I feel very desperate and I
want to make an appointment. Other days, I try to just accept that no matter
what, CMP will still go on.
>
> How are you finding the V-squat? Any soreness in your adductors/inner thight?
>
> In my latest column, I talk about the elliptical! I'm discussing thedifferent
training techniques you could do on it safely. The ellipitcal can really be
interesting if you do different movements on it. I am so glad you enjoy it! :)
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
> --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer!
> > How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I thought
of you. How is your left knee?
> > Pat
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> >
> > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM
> >
> > By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I laughed
out loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your
ellipitcal" too! :)
> >
> > --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell
<pattio50@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jennifer,
> > > Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for
a few times.
> > >
> > > Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful,
but I do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely
it is doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is
tightening up.
> > >
> > > I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put
too much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I
only use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight,
more reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> > > Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> > > How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out
this week?
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > > Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did
you find it helpful or painful?
> > >
> > > Jennifer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Pat,

I can relate to how you feel. I am also dominated by the fear that exercise
could be snatched from me if CMP begins to get worse. As I said to you before, I
really love spin class. Going make up some of the hole that is left since I
stopped teaching fitness classes.

So far, I have no discomfort in spin. But I always feel I am on a very thin line
- if I step over, I could become worse and lose that too.

I really think the elliptical is safe for knees because it is powered by the
hamstrings and involves only one straight motion. In my opinion, if you are able
to RUN (a higher risk and impact based motion) still - you will be fine on a low
impact machine.

I will send you the piece in my artile on the cross trainer - is this your
email? You might enjoy some of the little "tricks" - these are one I came up
when I was really bad with CMP and was restricted to only 20 mins of exercise.

It seems to me you are already really strong in your legs so you don't even need
to do a lot of weight. Strength - once built - is easy to maintain. But it's
always nice to get a new move to challenge yourself isn't it? I love thinking of
new things to add.

Jennifer






--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer!
> Glad your left knee is feeling better!
> I get so afraid when I have pain, my thinking is that it will last forever and
I will never be the same again.
>
> You are doing an article on the elliptical? You can do different things on it?
hmm interesting. I did not know that. I just get on it and go. I would like to
know the different things to do on it. I keep it on the lowest resistance.
Fearful of upping the resistance..that it might hurt my knee.
>
> No soreness in the adductors with the V squat. No soreness at all. That is a
good thing, though. I don't do a lot of weight, but I feel that any additional
exercises will help with my leg strength. I work out on the adductor/abductor
machine so doing the v squat on the leg press machine adds to the different
exercises. Good thing!
>
> Can I get a copy of that article on the elliptical?
>
> Be well! Thanks for your support and information!
> Pat
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:39 AM
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> My left knee is now back to 'normal'. I had a lot of pain behind my knee cap
(do you get pain there for CMP? MY PT said it is referral pain), but it faded
with Pennsaid and rest.
>
> My left is by far the worse out of the two. The scope really helped my right
and I only feel a dull ache in it every now and then. But the left has all the
classic CMPnes: the catcing sensation, that distinctive pain that makes you feel
like your knee is on fire!
>
> My OS said he could perform a second scope on it to shave away more fraying
pieces of cartlege, but I am hesitant. Some days I feel very desperate and I
want to make an appointment. Other days, I try to just accept that no matter
what, CMP will still go on.
>
> How are you finding the V-squat? Any soreness in your adductors/inner thight?
>
> In my latest column, I talk about the elliptical! I'm discussing thedifferent
training techniques you could do on it safely. The ellipitcal can really be
interesting if you do different movements on it. I am so glad you enjoy it! :)
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
> --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer!
> > How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I thought
of you. How is your left knee?
> > Pat
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> >
> > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM
> >
> > By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I laughed
out loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your
ellipitcal" too! :)
> >
> > --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell
<pattio50@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jennifer,
> > > Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for
a few times.
> > >
> > > Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful,
but I do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely
it is doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is
tightening up.
> > >
> > > I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put
too much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I
only use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight,
more reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> > > Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> > > How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out
this week?
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > > Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did
you find it helpful or painful?
> > >
> > > Jennifer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Jennifer!
Glad your left knee is feeling better!
I get so afraid when I have pain, my thinking is that it will last forever and I
will never be the same again.

You are doing an article on the elliptical? You can do different things on it?
hmm interesting. I did not know that. I just get on it and go. I would like to
know the different things to do on it. I keep it on the lowest resistance.
Fearful of upping the resistance..that it might hurt my knee.

No soreness in the adductors with the V squat. No soreness at all. That is a
good thing, though. I don't do a lot of weight, but I feel that any additional
exercises will help with my leg strength. I work out on the adductor/abductor
machine so doing the v squat on the leg press machine adds to the different
exercises. Good thing!

Can I get a copy of that article on the elliptical?

Be well! Thanks for your support and information!
Pat

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:39 AM

Hi Pat,

My left knee is now back to 'normal'. I had a lot of pain behind my knee cap (do
you get pain there for CMP? MY PT said it is referral pain), but it faded with
Pennsaid and rest.

My left is by far the worse out of the two. The scope really helped my right and
I only feel a dull ache in it every now and then. But the left has all the
classic CMPnes: the catcing sensation, that distinctive pain that makes you feel
like your knee is on fire!

My OS said he could perform a second scope on it to shave away more fraying
pieces of cartlege, but I am hesitant. Some days I feel very desperate and I
want to make an appointment. Other days, I try to just accept that no matter
what, CMP will still go on.

How are you finding the V-squat? Any soreness in your adductors/inner thight?

In my latest column, I talk about the elliptical! I'm discussing thedifferent
training techniques you could do on it safely. The ellipitcal can really be
interesting if you do different movements on it. I am so glad you enjoy it! :)

Jennifer



--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer!
> How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I thought of
you. How is your left knee?
> Pat
>
> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM
>
> By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I laughed
out loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your
ellipitcal" too! :)
>
> --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer,
> > Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for a
few times.
> >
> > Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful, but
I do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely it is
doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is tightening up.
> >
> > I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put
too much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I
only use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight,
more reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> > Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> > How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out this
week?
> > Pat
> >
> >  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
> >
> > Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did
you find it helpful or painful?
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Pat,

My left knee is now back to 'normal'. I had a lot of pain behind my knee cap (do
you get pain there for CMP? MY PT said it is referral pain), but it faded with
Pennsaid and rest.

My left is by far the worse out of the two. The scope really helped my right and
I only feel a dull ache in it every now and then. But the left has all the
classic CMPnes: the catcing sensation, that distinctive pain that makes you feel
like your knee is on fire!

My OS said he could perform a second scope on it to shave away more fraying
pieces of cartlege, but I am hesitant. Some days I feel very desperate and I
want to make an appointment. Other days, I try to just accept that no matter
what, CMP will still go on.

How are you finding the V-squat? Any soreness in your adductors/inner thight?

In my latest column, I talk about the elliptical! I'm discussing thedifferent
training techniques you could do on it safely. The ellipitcal can really be
interesting if you do different movements on it. I am so glad you enjoy it! :)

Jennifer



--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer!
> How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I thought of
you. How is your left knee?
> Pat
>
> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM
>
> By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I laughed
out loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your
ellipitcal" too! :)
>
> --- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jennifer,
> > Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for a
few times.
> >
> > Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful, but
I do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely it is
doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is tightening up.
> >
> > I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put
too much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I
only use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight,
more reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> > Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> > How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out this
week?
> > Pat
> >
> >  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@>
> > Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> > To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
> >
> > Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did
you find it helpful or painful?
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hi Sally,

I meant in a squat stance, but with my feet turned out so that they look like a
V.

It's interesting that you have pain in that stance. So far, I have no problems
doing that squat, but have completely lost the ability to do a normal squat
(toes pointed straight); even on the leg press.

I can see how ballet would make it difficult for you! What do you do for quad
stregthening?

Jennifer

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, off2benomads@... wrote:
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> Jennifer -
>  
> I'm not sure which way the "V" (of the V squat you talk about) is pointed.  Do
you mean toes pointing inward or outward?  It may be different for each
individual, how far in or out brings pain, and each of us may need to experiment
with that in order to tell.  I know that when my feet are turned out, I get a
heck of a lot more knee pain.  Probably related to those years of ballet
training that likely made things worse for me!
>  
> Sally
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> yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:25 PM
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
>
> Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?
>
> Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer!
How are you doing? I did the elliptical and the V squat today, so I thought of
you. How is your left knee?
Pat

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM

By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I laughed out
loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your ellipitcal"
too! :)

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
> Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for a
few times.
>
> Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful, but I
do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely it is
doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is tightening up.
>
> I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put too
much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I only
use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight, more
reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out this
week?
> Pat
>
>  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
>
> Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
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Sally,
Thanks! It is a good way to remember! I have always had trouble remembering
which is which.
Pat

--- On Sun, 11/1/09, off2benomads@... <off2benomads@...> wrote:


From: off2benomads@... <off2benomads@...>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 12:25 PM


Pat -
 
Adductors: think of add, add to the center, bringing in, the inner thigh muscles
 and
Abductors: abduct or to take away from, outer thighs, move away from the center.
 
This helps me remember which is which!
Sally

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...> wrote:


From: Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:24 PM


 



Hi Jennifer,
I am sorry that your left knee has been giving you more pain than usual this
week. When something like that happens, I always think the worst. I think, "Oh
no, now it is going to get worse", but you are right, CMP works that way, and
next week, things will be back to normal. You will be okay.

I see what you mean about the V squat working both the vastus medialis AND the
adductor muscles. I know that both are important to stabilize the knee. When I
do an exercise, I always like to feel the muscles (with my hands) to see which
ones are working. I was not aware that the V squat works the adductors. This is
good. I must admit that I am always confused about the adductors vs the
abductors. I can never remember which one is which. I do the adductor/abductor
machine 2 X week, but don't know which is which.

Yes, the leg press seems to be the hardest machine on the knees. I am relieved
to know that you keep the weight down to 45# (because that is the amount I do).
I know I could do more weight, but, like you, I am fearful, too.

Things will be better next week!
Pat

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:17 AM

Hi Pat,

I can see why you find extensions more powerful - they totally isolate the qaud
and build strength in the belly of the muscle. I think it's great you can do
this exercise and I also believe it's one of the exercises that allows you to
keep running.

The v-squat targets the adductor muscles and the vastas medialias instead of the
main quad - probably why you didn't feel the 'burn'.

I worry about the leg press as well. Even though it's a machine, it's definitely
one of the more tougher ones for legs. In terms of weight, I can do about 40-45
pounds for 15-20 reps. I am always tempted to do heavier, but I know I'll be
looking for trouble. I don't have any pain, but as usual, I worry that I may
start developing it. I only do this machine once a week.

My left knee (the worst out of the two) has really been bothering me this week.
I know that it's 'just the way it is' with CMP, but I still hate it! I've cut
one of my workouts out this week to accomodate it, but refuse to be off
entirely. My Pennsaid has calmed it down again, so hopefully all will be well!

Jennifer

--- In chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@..
.> wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
> Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for a
few times.
>
> Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful, but I
do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely it is
doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is tightening up.
>
> I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put too
much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I only
use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight, more
reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical.. .looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out this
week?
> Pat
>
>  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ ...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
>
> Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?
>
> Jennifer
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Jennifer -
 
I'm not sure which way the "V" (of the V squat you talk about) is pointed.  Do
you mean toes pointing inward or outward?  It may be different for each
individual, how far in or out brings pain, and each of us may need to experiment
with that in order to tell.  I know that when my feet are turned out, I get a
heck of a lot more knee pain.  Probably related to those years of ballet
training that likely made things worse for me!
 
Sally

yahoo.com> wrote:


From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:25 PM


 



Hi everyone,

Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?

Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?

Jennifer



















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Pat -
 
Adductors: think of add, add to the center, bringing in, the inner thigh muscles
 and
Abductors: abduct or to take away from, outer thighs, move away from the center.
 
This helps me remember which is which!
Sally

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...> wrote:


From: Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 5:24 PM


 



Hi Jennifer,
I am sorry that your left knee has been giving you more pain than usual this
week. When something like that happens, I always think the worst. I think, "Oh
no, now it is going to get worse", but you are right, CMP works that way, and
next week, things will be back to normal. You will be okay.

I see what you mean about the V squat working both the vastus medialis AND the
adductor muscles. I know that both are important to stabilize the knee. When I
do an exercise, I always like to feel the muscles (with my hands) to see which
ones are working. I was not aware that the V squat works the adductors. This is
good. I must admit that I am always confused about the adductors vs the
abductors. I can never remember which one is which. I do the adductor/abductor
machine 2 X week, but don't know which is which.

Yes, the leg press seems to be the hardest machine on the knees. I am relieved
to know that you keep the weight down to 45# (because that is the amount I do).
I know I could do more weight, but, like you, I am fearful, too.

Things will be better next week!
Pat

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:17 AM

Hi Pat,

I can see why you find extensions more powerful - they totally isolate the qaud
and build strength in the belly of the muscle. I think it's great you can do
this exercise and I also believe it's one of the exercises that allows you to
keep running.

The v-squat targets the adductor muscles and the vastas medialias instead of the
main quad - probably why you didn't feel the 'burn'.

I worry about the leg press as well. Even though it's a machine, it's definitely
one of the more tougher ones for legs. In terms of weight, I can do about 40-45
pounds for 15-20 reps. I am always tempted to do heavier, but I know I'll be
looking for trouble. I don't have any pain, but as usual, I worry that I may
start developing it. I only do this machine once a week.

My left knee (the worst out of the two) has really been bothering me this week.
I know that it's 'just the way it is' with CMP, but I still hate it! I've cut
one of my workouts out this week to accomodate it, but refuse to be off
entirely. My Pennsaid has calmed it down again, so hopefully all will be well!

Jennifer

--- In chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@..
.> wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
> Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for a
few times.
>
> Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful, but I
do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely it is
doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is tightening up.
>
> I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put too
much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I only
use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight, more
reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical.. .looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out this
week?
> Pat
>
>  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@ ...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommu nity@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
>
> Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?
>
> Jennifer
>
>
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I don't do much in the training room, more outdoors which suits my brain better
I guess. So only once or twice in a week for exercises like squats. I also never
do traditional squats for the same reason you mentioned. Skiing though, some
skating and some classic style, I do 3-5 days per week starting about now until
mid march. I was actually able to complete a ski marathon last Feb, the first
since being diagnosed. Knee was fine.

  Philip Nelson - http://panmanphil.wordpress.com




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From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 6:58:35 AM
Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] Re: The V-Squat

Hi Phillip.

Yes it is. I was told the angle places more emphasis and focus on the vastas
medialias which in turn can help the tracking (I'm not technical enough to
explain how though! Just that it strenghtens that area).

I've lost the ability to do a normal squat, even on the leg press. That stance
is all I can do. I don't know if it's made any difference though and I worry
about the strain. Your technique sounds interesting. How much leg work do you do
without pain from CMP?

Jennifer

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Yes, I like the elliptical 100% better than the bike! Thanks!

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:

From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
Subject: Re: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 9:19 AM

By the way, great news about the elliptical! I am glad to ehar it! I laughed out
loud at your friend calling it "your bike"! Now you'll have "your ellipitcal"
too! :)

--- In chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cardwell <pattio50@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jennifer,
> Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I wanted to trial the v sqaut for a
few times.
>
> Yes, I did the V squat on the leg press machine. I think it was helpful, but I
do not feel the muscle burn as I do on the leg extension machine. Likely it is
doing some good, cause when I feel the muscle with my hand, it is tightening up.
>
> I am somewhat afraid of the leg press machine. It feels like it might put too
much pressure on my knees. (though, maybe I baby my knees too much??) So, I only
use a minimal amount of weight...my thinking is lower amount of weight, more
reps. I only use 45#. How much weight do you use?
> Still using the elliptical. Happy because it is a better workout than the
stationary bike. In fact, the other day at the gym, one of my friends looked at
me on the elliptical...looked at the bike I usually use, and asked "why aren't
you on YOUR bike??""  lol  I have been riding the same bike for over one year. 
I told her that I graduated to the elliptical!
> How have you been lately? Is this your week off, or are you working out this
week?
> Pat
>
>  Wed, 10/28/09, jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: jennifer.kelly34 <jennifer.kelly34@...>
> Subject: [Chondromalacia Community] The V-Squat
> To: chondromalaciacommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:25 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone here do the v-squat to help build the quads, in particular the
vastas medialas? I was told by my PT that they were a great exercise for CMP
(because they build the VM) and do them quite frequently on the leg press
machines. However, I sometimes worry that it is still putting too much pressure
on my knees. Thoughts?
>
> Pat - you didn't let me know what happened with you tried the v-squat! Did you
find it helpful or painful?
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
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