DR. GASTALDO IS A SOPHIST IN THE **ANCIENT** SENSE - ONE WHO "DOES" WISDOM
(see Wikipedia below^^^)...

(Relative to the deceipt of Drs. McGann and Goldman - see below - it is WISE
for Dr. Gastaldo to insist that children are afforded the benefit of
suspected child abuse reporting - the MINIMUM protection offered by the
child protection statutes.)

DECEIVERS: DRS. McGANN AND GOLDMAN...

DR. McGANN and DR. GOLDMAN ARE SOPHISTS IN THE MODERN SENSE - DECEIVERS (see
Wikipedia below^^^)...

Dr. McGann and Dr. Goldman say it is "ludicrous" to give children the
benefit of suspected child abuse reporting. Dr. McGann clarifies: It is
"ludicrous," he says to report "TO POLICE" (Dr. McGann's emphasis)...

Dr. McGann's deceit is obvious: It is MANDATORY to report to police when
child abuse is so much as SUSPECTED....

(If Dr. McGann was not aware that that is how the child protection statutes
work, then he may just need training.)

^^^According to Wikipedia...

Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition, a
sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving someone. In
Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and
rhetoric...The term sophism originates from Greek sophistes, meaning
"wise-ist", one who "does" wisdom, one who makes a business out of wisdom
(sophós means "wise man").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism

DONNA YOUNG BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC OF SOPHISM...

MS. YOUNG PRETENDS THAT DR. GOLDMAN'S DECEIPT IS OK - BECAUSE DR. GASTALDO
USED "BAD WORDS" TO DESCRIBE IT.

----- Original Message -----
From: dyoung@...
To: pearblossominc@...
Cc: tgastaldo@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yes, it is being an sophist...clever, but not true. I'm
beingtaken out of context...maybe Gary, too. Copy and paste, my exact
words,Todd...Just passing on the latest e-mail I received from Todd...

I SAY AGAIN: Relative to the deceipt of Drs. McGann and Goldman...

DR. GASTALDO IS A SOPHIST IN THE **ANCIENT** SENSE - ONE WHO "DOES" WISDOM
(see Wikipedia^^^)...

^^^...In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy
and rhetoric...The term sophism originates from Greek sophistes, meaning
"wise-ist", one who "does" wisdom, one who makes a business out of wisdom
(sophós means "wise man").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism

DR. GOLDMAN RECENTLY LIED...

Quoting pearblossominc@...:

> Dear Donna,
>
> Todd has always quoted only a portion of my response that satisfies
> his twisted understanding. This is nothing new.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gary
>
<snip>

LOL!

GOLDMAN **CENSORS** AND **PRETENDS** MY UNDERSTANDING IS "TWISTED."

As I've previously written....

>>>>BEGIN excerpt of The AMA comment again: Censor McGann further apes
>>>>Censor Goldman
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/14

>>
>> Dr. Goldman plagiarised my synthesis and censored the Four OB Lies -
>> censoring because he felt I was being "self-serving," he said.
>>
>> See Birth in America: Suspected Child Abuse
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3299 <--censored
>> by Dr. McGann
>>
>> Alternative URL:
>> http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med/2005-03/0526.html
>>
>> All I did was truthfully state what I had done. And I spent my valuable
>> time doing so **at Dr. Goldman's request**!
>>
>> Dr. Goldman CENSORED me for my trouble - failed to publicize the Four OB
>> Lies...
>>
>> See Gary Goldman's 'Medical Veritas': Truth or whitewash?
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/3295 <--censored
>> by Dr. McGann
>>
>> Alternative URL:
>> http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med/2005-03/0493.html
>>

>>>>END excerpt of The AMA comment again: Censor McGann further apes Censor
>>>>Goldman
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/14

Dr. Goldman deceitfully hitchhikes on UCLA Compliance Officer Cormier's
fraud that there is a standard-of-practice exemption in the child abuse
statutes - Dr. Goldman posits an "AMA" standard-of-practice exemption in the
child abuse statutes.

I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE: Does Censor McGann - who joined Censor
Goldman in calling suspected
child abuse reporting "ludicrous" - now join Censor Goldman in proposing
the non-existent exemption in the child abuse statutes for "AMA"
standard-of-practice suspected child abuse birth "atrocities" (?)

CENSOR McGANN PRETENDS SILENCE IS SUPPORT OF CENSORSHIP

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/15

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr.KEV
To: chiro-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [chiro-list] Ms. Young wrote: 'He deserved to be censored...I
hope he suffered long and hard' - was Re: I don't recall those words,
suffered long and hard..not you, theone with patience, suffers...send an
unedited paragraph, please.

No one on my (original) chiro-list has come forward to protest my rejecting
Todd.

#### When a censor threatens censorship (of an "uncensored" list!) many will
remain silent because THEY don't wish to be censored.

Why does he not get the message?

#### LOL! NO one - except you and me - "get the message" - because you
CENSORED - you twit.

Why does he not publish the names and addresses of the people who set the
policy and can change it?

#### I ROUTINELY publish names and addresses of MDs who can change the
policy - but criminals are not likely going to change criminal policies
because changing criminal policies would be understandably perceived as
admission of the crime - which is partly why I favor pardons in advance for
MDs.

Why does he continue to only attack people who are actually trying to get
the policies changed?

##### LOL!

>>>>BEGIN excerpt of The AMA comment again: Censor McGann further apes
>>>>Censor Goldman
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/14

#### This is an interesting allegation given that Censor McGann's
pro-censorship ally - Censor Goldman - suggested there is an exemption in
the child abuse laws for "AMA" standard-of-practice behaviors that he
suspects are child abuse birth "atrocities." I pointed this out in a
message that Censor McGann censored....

See
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/13 <--REPOST because
Censor McGann censored.

#### Does Censor McGann - who joined Censor Goldman in calling suspected
child abuse reporting "ludicrous" - now join Censor Goldman in proposing
this non-existent exemption in the child abuse statutes for "AMA"
standard-of-practice suspected child abuse birth "atrocities" (?)

#### Censor McGann's comment "Todd, grow the f**k up" sounded a lot like the
arrogant boastful Steve Harris, MD who is quoted above, as in,

>> Steve Harris, MD arrogantly boasts:
>>
>> "Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no crime.
>> These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to you."
>> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/
>> 28866f3384801ae9
>>
>> (I had pointed out to Dr. Harris that MDs are fraudulently promoting
>> vaccinations by PLANNING to endanger vaccinated children during disease
>> outbreaks. For my latest post on this subject, see:
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list3/message/39)
>>
>> Dr. McGann's silence/censorship is most bizarre given the recent
>> MD-pediatrician call for collaboration - "particularly" with
>> chiropractors -
>> to investigate and report harms of spinal manipulation of children:
>>
>> "'Patient safety demands a greater collaboration between the medical
>> community and other health care professionals, particularly
>> chiropractors, such that we can investigate and report harms related to
>> spinal manipulation together.'
>> --Sunita Vohra, MD FRCPC MSc et al.^^^ Pediatrics. 2007 Jan;
>> 119(1):e275-83. Epub 2006 Dec 18. PubMed abstract
>>
>> WHY DID DR. McGANN SUDDENLY CENSOR HIS "UNCENSORED" LIST
>>
>> DID "CHIROPRACTIC" ATTORNEY MIKE SCHROEDER MEET DR. McGANN IN AMSTERDAM?
>>
>> All possibilities must be considered until the mysterious censorship is
>> explained. Censorship helps perpetuate the mass child abuse.
>>
>> According to the Los Angeles Times, "chiropractic" Attorney Mike
>> Schroeder
>> visited Amsterdam "on business" on Oct. 30, 2007 - or rather - he was
>> there when an Oct. 30, 2007 story was being written...
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-carona30oct30,0,327619.story
>>
>> That same month, I mentioned "Chiropractic" Attorney Schroeder in an Oct.
>> 4, 2007 post...
>>
>> See Judge Nares: Birth-canal-closing: Do Egyptian obstetricians do it?
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/4
>>
>> Specifically, I mentioned (in that Oct. 4, 2007 post) that an earlier
>> post
>> about Atty Schroeder had been CENSORED...
>>
>> Dr. McGann lives in or near Amsterdam.
>>
>> Until the first mysterious censorship - and Dr. McGann's recent MASSIVE
>> censorship (reporting child abuse to police is "ludicrous" says Dr.
>> McGann) - are explained otherwise - I can't help discussing Atty
>> Schroeder's first SLAPP censorship (see below) and the possibility that
>> Atty Schroeder went to Amsterdam to meet Dr. McGann to stimulate further
>> censorship...
>>

>>>>END excerpt of The AMA comment again: Censor McGann further apes Censor
>>>>Goldman
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/14

At 09:51 AM 12/3/2007 -0800, you wrote:
> "HE DESERVED TO BE CENSORED...I HOPE HE SUFFERED LONG AND HARD" -
>HERE'S THE
>CONTEXT... See below. #### I SAY AGAIN...
>
>>
>> Your Canadian case is important.
>>
>> Let us focus on it.
>>
>> Have you reported yet to proper BC authorities?
>>
>> You emailed the ministry and telephoned both 911 and 310.1234?
>>
>> Did you get the name/identifier of each person with whom you spoke as I
>> advised?
>>
>> If not, report again and get the name/identifier of each person with
>> whom you speak.
>>
>> I will follow-up if you get telephone numbers (with area code) that I
>> can call from the US.
>>
>> I will memorialize the details of my telephone follow-up - I will give
>> names/identifiers - cc'ing the Ministry and archiving my post in
>> Chiro-list 3.
>>
>> I urge you to publicly state that Gary S. Goldman, PhD corroborated our
>> info with physicians and reported suspected child abuse birth
>> "atrocities" (his word).
>>
>> Being a PhD-editor-in-chief of a MEDICAL jourrnal who corroborated our
>> info with MEDICAL physicians, he is a far more credible reporter of
>> these MEDICAL standard-of-practice child abuse crimes.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: dyoung@...
>> To: Todd Gastaldo
>> Cc: PearblossomInc@...
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:07 AM
>> Subject: Yes, r u both doing a requested follow up, of the facts
>> shared. Read the letter, how long ago I had reported child endangering
>> by falseprotocols.
>>
>>
>> Dear Todd,
>> See if they will state, "Yes," Donna Young advised us of no consent of
>> being put in harm's way ----- Original Message ----- From:
>dyoung@... To: Todd Gastaldo Cc: PearblossomInc@... Sent:
>Monday, December 03, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: I don't recall those words,
> suffered long and hard..not you, theone with patience, suffers...send an
> unedited paragraph, please.
> Not likely. Donna "HE DESERVED TO BE CENSORED...I HOPE HE
>SUFFERED LONG AND HARD" - HERE'S THE
>CONTEXT...
>
>Comments interspersed below #####
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: dyoung@...
>To: pearblossominc@...
>Cc: tgastaldo@...
>Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:11 AM
>Subject: Re:I'm being taken out of context...maybe Gary, too. Copy
>andpaste,
>my exact words, Todd...Just passing on the latest e-mail I receivedfrom
>Todd...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: dyoung@...
>To: pearblossominc@...
>Cc: tgastaldo@...
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:14 PM
>Subject: Re: chiro list was sent for lesson on patience..of communication.
>
>
>Gary,
>
>all emails were not sent a copy to Todd, as being malicious, but as an
>example, male and females can communicate, granted with effort, to
> He
> He deserved to
>be censored, as he is capable of communicating in a professional manner,
> He would be held in contempt
>of court, if he was told to stop bad language, and put down, and did not do
> So I hope he suffered long and
>hard.....of the many emails, eh.
>
> I think we have a great brochure and questions and answers,
>that hopefully may lead to criminal actions, if the doctors do not pay
>attention and stop harvesting abies, or wasting their blood.....whatever
>reason, or for doing a time convenience, get the birth over
>with.....regardless if their learned methods of care, put another in harm's
>way.
>
>Quoting pearblossominc@...:
>
>>
>> Dear Donna,
>>
>>
>>
>> The purpose of our brochure is to let patients know the harm caused
>> by instant, immediate, or early cord clamping.? I think we have
>> thoroughly accomplished this purpose.? With this knowledge, the
>> birthing mother must take the lead and let healthcare providers know
>> that the cord is not to be clamped and cut, or when the cord is to
>> be clamped and cut.
>>
>> If the doctor does this against the mother's will, this is cause for
>> legal action.
>>
>> Hope you are getting much satisfaction through your e-mails to the
>> chiro-list.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Gary
>>
>>
> <>:
>
>> MS. YOUNG'S ONGOING FALSEHOOD - BABIES BE DAMNED
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: dyoung@...
>> To: pearblossominc@...
>> Cc: tgastaldo@...
>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:39 AM
>> Subject: Patience is a virtue. But, You may have an attitude, or
>> aredefensive...of Your friend, the judge/lawyer, did not give
>> confirmation ofhis/her opinions. Why not.
>>
>>
>> Evidence please, and thank you....not innuendo, that is what
>> Todd had been using, judgment before the facts.
>>
>> I stated facts THEN made a judgement BASED on what was
>> For example, I stated that Gary Goldman, PhD
>> indirectly promoted the child-abuse-perpetuating crime of failure to
>> report suspected child abuse - calling it "ludicrous" to report
>> I also stated that former chiro-listowner Kevin
>> McGann, DC also indirectly promoted the child-abuse-perpetuating crime
>> of failure to report child abuse - also calling it "ludicrous" to
>> I made the (correct) judgement:
>> Reporting suspected child abuse is not "ludicrous" - it is the LAW.
>>
>> "He deserved to be censored...I
>> hope he suffered long and hard..."
>>
>> #### Sigh...
>>
>> #### I SAY AGAIN...
>>
>>>
>>> Your Canadian case is important.
>>>
>>> Let us focus on it.
>>>
>>> Have you reported yet to proper BC authorities?
>>>
>>> You emailed the ministry and telephoned both 911 and 310.1234?
>>>
>>> Did you get the name/identifier of each person with whom you spoke as I
>>> advised?
>>>
>>> If not, report again and get the name/identifier of each person with
>>> whom you speak.
>>>
>>> I will follow-up if you get telephone numbers (with area code) that I
>>> can call from the US.
>>>
>>> I will memorialize the details of my telephone follow-up - I will give
>>> names/identifiers - cc'ing the Ministry and archiving my post in
>>> Chiro-list 3.
>>>
>>> I urge you to publicly state that Gary S. Goldman, PhD corroborated
> our
>>> info with physicians and reported suspected child abuse birth
>>> "atrocities" (his word).
>>>
>>> Being a PhD-editor-in-chief of a MEDICAL jourrnal who corroborated our
>>> info with MEDICAL physicians, he is a far more credible reporter of
>>> these MEDICAL standard-of-practice child abuse crimes.
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: dyoung@...
>>> To: Todd Gastaldo
>>> Cc: PearblossomInc@...
>>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:07 AM
>>> Subject: Yes, r u both doing a requested follow up, of the facts
>>> shared. Read the letter, how long ago I had reported child endangering
>>> by falseprotocols.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Todd,
>>> See if they will state, "Yes," Donna Young advised us of no consent of
>>> being put in harm's way
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting pearblossominc@...:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Donna,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The purpose of our brochure is to let patients know the harm caused
>>> by instant, immediate, or early cord clamping.? I think we have
>>> thoroughly accomplished this purpose.? With this knowledge, the
>>> birthing mother must take the lead and let healthcare providers know
>>> that the cord is not to be clamped and cut, or when the cord is to
>>> be clamped and cut.
>>>
>>> If the doctor does this against the mother's will, this is cause for
>>> legal action.
>>>
>>> Hope you are getting much satisfaction through your e-mails to the
>>> chiro-list.
>>
>> #### Dr. Goldman, I don't think Ms. Young has ever sent emails to
>> Censor McGann is gone.
>> All e-mailers - except spammers - will be able to send emails to
>> chiro-list again.
>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gary
>>>