Dear Effie


Thank you for your comments.

You are right that I am not an expert on the travails of Ms. Shell. The
first time I heard about her was on an article published by Freedom
Magazine titled "Children of the State". I did like the article and I
did like what she said in it. I liked her.
See http://freedom.org.il/english/vol32I1/page02.htm

The second time I read about her was on a note at the Sociology Center
website of James Roger Brown in his research about the Child Slave Trade
Project at http://thesociologycenter.com/slavetrade.html
He had submitted several evidence books to the United States
Representative Joe Baca. Mr Brown received a request from Ms. Shell
asking him not to post any material from her evidence book.
See http://thesociologycenter.com/slavetrade.html
I stopped liking her. On the other hand I am glad she did not sue Mr.
Brown and force him to defend himself and waste his time and resources,
instead of attacking the Real enemy which is the system. If she had used
with him the same standards that she used with the Internet Archives,
she should have sued him even after he complied with her request.

The third time I heard about Ms. Shell was about her attempt to IMPOSE
her will on the whole Family Preservation Community. She pretends to
impose her own personal criteria as a GOD MANDATE. This is totally
delusional. I am glad that she is able to impress some Judges and dirty
politicians, but the Family Preservation Community is full of Freedom
Fighters that will never submit to such nonsense. In her website she
claims her organization exercises exclusive jurisdiction and oversight
over the practice of Family Advocacy. Why doesn't she also claim
exclusive jurisdiction and oversight over the planet Mars? She is
entitled and free to say whatever she wants, but only a very feeble
minded person could follow her.

Her attempt to impose her Certificates on others is totally vane. Anyone
can make and give a "certificate". It has no value except for whatever
value the receiver wants to give to it. Her attempt to create
blackmailing lists to "punish" those who do not dance to her tune
reminds me of the Inquisition. I am glad that her power is limited to a
small group, because someone with such hunger for power and control
could be extremelly dangerous to others if she was in a position of any
real power.

In her website she says that she has disabled the copy, save, and print
functions, but the explanation for the motivation is ridiculous. The
explanation is that CPS and GALs would copy or print those pages to
present them in court against the parents. This could be true if there
were pages with the real names and details of open cases in her website
(if that was the case and she was sincere, she could disable only those
pages). It is obvious that the real motive is to protect her
intellectual rights as a source of income and she should say it so
instead of double talking. Besides if any CPS or GAl really wanted,
could type the information from the website. Attorneys do not need legal
forms from her website, they have tons of them and they have been
perfecting the art of lying and deception for hundreds of years. Parents
could use those forms though, most of them do not have them as attorneys
do.

I finally read her case against the Internet Archive. For those who
value freedom in the Internet and do research, the Internet Archive is a
great tool. I was involved in exposing the Guinea Pig Kids here in New
York City (drugs experiments with Foster Care Children) at the
Incarnation Children Center. As soon as the expose appeared in the New
York Post, the Incarnation Children Center disabled their own website to
hide the evidence. We immediatelly went to the Internet Archive, located
the evidence and saved it. Thanks God for the Internet Archive.

I understand that the Internet Archive removed Ms. Shell pages soon
after her request. But that was not enough for her, she wanted money
and that is what she went after. I suggest that she should not post
anything in the Internet, since she is not a freedom lover. She has
learned the tricks of the attorneys and now she wants to use them
against the advocates and to extract money from anyone who falls into
the legal trappings of her webpages.

What is the problem if others want to use her research? I do not see the
logic of it. She should be proud that others want to use what her talent
produced. After all there is nothing new under the sun. She has great
talent and she could have kept pouring it into the movement, but by
becoming self-centered she has isolated herself while she demands her
REWARD.

The Bhagavad Gita advices to "Never look for the Fruits of your
actions".

The Christian Bible advices:
"When any of you fast, never assume gloomy looks as the hypocrites do;
for they disfigure their faces in order that it may be evident to men
that they are fasting. I solemnly tell you that they already have their
reward.

Finally to the point of my presentation on Hardfire. You mention that my
son's school did not need a court order. First the school did not take
my son, the CPS took my son from the school. And the CPS needed a Court
Order to take my son into their custody but they did not have it.

In October 13, 1999, that is more than 3 months before my son was
kidnapped by the local CPS, there was a Federal Court decision: Tenebaum
v. Williams. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the local
CPS (ACS) needed a court order in every case, except in an emergency
situation. They even went to define what an emergency situation would
be: a case when the life of the child was in eminent danger and the CPS
could not obtain a court order by the next day.
As a result of my case and my advocacy, the New York City Department of
Education passed a circular to its personnel that stated that they would
release a child to the CPS only with a court order or if there was
evidence that the child life was in eminent danger.
See
http://www.parentsinaction.net/english/Legal/Tenenbaum%20v_%20Williams.h\
tm

I do appreciate your offer for the training and certification, but we
already have our own very successful training. My organization has been
providing for free training for Family Preservation Advocates for a long
time. We do give them a certificate upon completion, but do not pretend
to impose our certificate upon anyone else. They are recognized by the
Family Court, the CPS, and the Foster Care agencies.

I wish Ms. Shell good luck in her endeavors. I do suggest that she
change her approach to life and willingly share the talents that God
gave her with everyone. If she wants to charge for her personal time
dedicated to some especific case, I agree with her, but to charge for
past research and forms ...


Thanks again for your input.


In the Struggle


Rolando Bini
http://www.parentsinaction.net

--- In child_neglect_abuse@yahoogroups.com, lbe818@... wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr. Bondini,
>
> Your response is understandable since it is apparent to me that you
haven't
> researched the history of this subject.
>
> In fact, Ms. Shell did offer her training services for free for seven
> (that's right) seven years. She has authored two books on the
subject. She has
> waived training fees for those in need. So, she has given more than
her fair
> share. The problem is not that she minded sharing it with Internet
Archive,
> but through their robot they allowed the bandits who don't want to do
any work
> besides be "special" and sit on their laurels behind a computer
screen take
> her information and present it as their own but only after they had
> butchered it and offered wrong advice and harmed parents. So, as
time went on, she
> had no choice but to keep the quality and integrity of the work. To
me, that
> represents very ethical behavior on her behalf as a professional.
>
> I've viewed your website and while you have made a great effort, it
does not
> offer the kind of information that Ms. Shell has spent 14 years
shaping and
> perfecting. You are merely posting other's information. Ms. Shell
has
> developed her own intellectual thought. In the US, that is protected
as the
> Supreme Court has held over and over again. Her methods to fight CPS
are, to me,
> are the cutting edge in excellence nationwide and successful. I
highly
> recommend you purchase her book (you can get it at the library if
funds are an
> issue) and see that you see only the tip of the iceberg in CPS.
>
> Finally, I listened to your interview on Hard Fire. There were many
> mistakes that you made initially that complicated your case. I am
not being
> disparaging but letting you know that the method we use bypasses much
of that
> process that allows Family Court to get you in their arena and abuse
you. One
> thing you are completely incorrect about is that your son's school
needed a
> court order. Please go and read New York Public School's - you
couldn't remember
> the PS# in Brooklyn when you were on the show - Policy Book and you
will see
> that the school only needs to have suspicion that the allegation made
about
> your child has happened or could happen in the near future - this
constitutes
> the probable cause to allow ACS agents to remove him.
>
> I certainly encourage you, if you are serious about advocating for
this
> cause to become trained and certified so that you may not only help
yourself, but
> others.
>
> effie
>
>
> In a message dated 5/7/2007 8:46:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> parentsinaction1@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Suzanne Shell has the legal right for her materials, I do agree with
> that.
>
> In my opinion by copyrighting everything and selling everything she
is
> very weak in the Ethical side. It may be legal but it is not ethical.
>
> Most of the parents whose children are kidnapped and abused by the
> CPS/Foster Care Industry are poor to begin with or became so after
> their Children were kidanpped by the Beast.
>
> If she thorugh her experiences and the talents tha God gave her can
> write and enlighten others, she could help much to many people. She
> decided to profit from that and punish anyone who dares to use her
> ideas without paying her.
>
> This is the same philosophy that the crooked attorneys use. They have
> invented this complicated and artificial religion, which has its own
> rituals and rules, and where they are the priests of this religion of
> lies and deception. Of course, they are the only ones who know the
> details of this cumbersome ritual. They are the Gatekeepers who make
> sure that most people do not get Justice, but rather they make sure
> that no favorable evidence for the Parents gets into the record. They
> are the ones who prevent Parents from speaking in court. They are the
> ones who coerce parents into accepting pleas that are against their
> best interest. All of this while making money.
>
> I wish her luck, but she has already received her payment.
>
> Too bad that she has decided to imitate the main Gatekeepers in the
> destruction of our families.
>
> Anyone is welcome to copy, borrow or change any of the ideas or
> materials that I have in my website, at
>
> _http://www.parentsihttp://www._ (http://www.parentsinaction.net/)
>
> Rolando Bini
>
> --- In _child_neglect_child_neglect_<Wchild_
> (mailto:child_neglect_abuse@yahoogroups.com) , lbe818@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Looks like journalist, author Suzanne Shell has reached a
successful
> > resolution with Internet Archive. Internet archive admits that
> Suzanne Shell has
> > valid copyright protections in place on her website and published
> materials.
> > Ms. Shell was a pro se litigant against four attorneys, each
> representing
> > internet archive. Kudos to Suzanne Shell!
> >
> > Poster: brewster Date: April 25, 2007 12:25:47pm Forum:
> > _announcements _
>
(_http://www.archive.http://www.archttp://www.archttp://wwwhttp://www.ar\
_
>
(http://www.archive.org/iathreads/forum-display.php?forum=announcements)
)
> > Subject: Lawsuit Settled
> > Internet Archive and Suzanne Shell Settle Lawsuit
> > Denver, CO, April 25, 2007.
> >
> > Internet Archive, a library of historical Web site content, and
> Suzanne
> > Shell, the author and owner of the Web site _www.profane- Shell,
the a
> > (_http://www.profane-http://www.p_ (http://www.profane-justice.org/)
) ,
> jointly announced today the
> settlement of their
> > lawsuit, which stemmed from the archiving of Ms.
Shell’s Web site
> in Internet
> > Archive’s
> > Wayback Machine. The parties’ lawsuit, which began in
January of
> 2006,
> > involved Internet Archive seeking a
> > judicial declaration that it did not infringe Ms.
Shell’s
> copyright when it
> > preserved and made publicly available the _www.profane- preserved
an
> > (_http://www.profane-http://www.p_ (http://www.profane-justice.org/)
) Web
> site in its Wayback Machine
> and Ms. Shell
> > seeking to hold Internet Archive liable for copyright infringement,
> breach of
> > contract, civil theft, conversion and racketeering. Internet
> Archive and Ms. Shell
> > are both pleased that they have been able to reach an amicable
> resolution
> > that is in both parties’ best interests.
> >
> > The Internet Archive said, �"Internet Archive has no
interest in
> including
> > materials in the Wayback Machine of persons who do not wish to have
> their Web
> > content archived. We recognize that Ms. Shell has a valid and
> enforceable
> > copyright in her Web site and we regret that the inclusion of her
> Web site in the
> > Wayback Machine resulted in this litigation. We are happy to have
> this case
> > behind us.” �"I respect the historical value of
Internet
> Archive’s goal. I
> > never intended to interfere with that goal nor cause it any
> harm,” said Ms.
> > Shell.
> >
> > Both parties sincerely regret any turmoil that the lawsuit may have
> caused
> > for the other. Neither Internet Archive nor Ms. Shell condones any
> conduct
> > which may have caused harm to either party arising out of the
public
> attention
> > to this lawsuit. The parties have not engaged in such conduct and
> request
> > that the public response to the amicable resolution of this
> litigation be
> > consistent with their wishes that no further harm or turmoil be
> caused to either
> > party.
> >
> > About Internet Archive
> >
> > Internet Archive is a 501(c)(3) non-profit that was founded to
> build an �"
> > Internet library,” with the purpose of offering
permanent access for
> > researchers, historians, and scholars to historical collections
> that exist in digital
> > format. Founded in 1996 and located in the Presidio of San
> Francisco, the
> > Archive has been receiving data donations from Alexa Internet and
> others.
> > Internet Archive now includes texts, audio, moving images, and
> software as well as
> > archived Web pages in its collections.
> >
> > About Suzanne Shell
> >
> > Suzanne Shell is an author, activist and legal consultant. She is
the
> > Director of American Family Advocacy Center, dedicated to promoting
> and protecting
> > the Fundamental Human Right to Family Association. She is also the
> founder of
> > Family Rights Advocacy Institute, the educational division of
> Families First
> > Partnership, a 501(c)(3) non profit, which provides Continuing
Legal
> > Education training to legal professionals who practice in the arena
> of child
> > welfare, as well as developing and providing public education and
> information about
> > family rights. She owns and maintains the Web site
> _www.profane-_www.profane-
> > (_http://www.profane-http://www.p_ (http://www.profane-justice.org/)
)
> that houses her copyrighted
> content,
> > including 16 years’ worth of her research, experience,
expertise
> and testing. Ms.
> > Shell resides in Elbert, Colorado.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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