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#253 From: "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:26 am
Subject: New source of heart stem cells found: study
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New source of heart stem cells found: study
Sun Jun 22, 1:13 PM ET



PARIS (AFP) - Researchers in the United States have discovered a new
group of stem cells that can give rise to heart muscle cells, known
as cardiomyocytes, according to a study published Sunday.

The stem cells are located in the outermost layer of the heart and
could one day play a critical role in regenerating injured heart
tissue, the researchers say.

"In heart failure, you lose cardiomyocytes, so the only way to
reverse heart failure is to make more of these cells," said William
Pu, the study's lead researcher and a pediatric cardiologist at
Children's Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts.

The new findings come on the heels of two earlier breakthroughs.

In 2006 scientists identified another cardiac stem cell -- marked by
the expression of a gene called Nkx2-5 -- with the potential to
become either heart muscle or cells lining blood vessels in the
organ's left-sided chambers.

Gene expression is the process by which information encoded in the
DNA of a particular gene is transformed into a protein or RNA, which
plays a key role in protein synthesis.

In parallel, other US researchers discovered a related progenitor
heart cell -- so-called because of its capacity to generate different
types of tissue -- that produces the same cell types in the right-
sided heart chambers.

Pu's study, published online in the journal Nature, shows for the
first time that new heart stem cells can also be derived from a third
type of cardiac stell cell, located within the surface of the organ
and identifiable through its expression of a gene called Wt1.

The results were independently verified by another team of scientists
at the University of California in San Diego, whose research was
published in the same issue of Nature.

Pu and colleagues showed that the cells from the heart's outer
lining, called the epicardium, can not only metamorphose into
cardiomyocytes but also into smooth muscle cells, endothelial cells,
which line the interior of blood vessels, and fibroblasts, found in
connective tissue.

"If you are going to regenerate tissue, you need to regenerate the
whole tissue, not just the cardiomyocytes," Pu said in a statement.

The discovery of the new stem cells was an accident. In order to
study the role a different gene in the epicardium, the researchers
labeled cells in live mouse embryos with red fluorescent protein.

"Unexpectedly, we saw that these epicardial cells were becoming
cardiomycytes -- it was a lucky observation," said Pu.

The next challenge, he added, is trying to figure out how a
progenitor stem cell decides to become a certain type of functioning
cell within the heart, and then how to develop methods to trick the
stem cells into transforming into the desired tissue.

"We still don't know how we can manipulate these progenitors," he
said.

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080622/ts_afp/healthdiseaseheartstemcell

And

Comedian George Carlin dies of heart failure in Los Angeles at 71

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Comedian George Carlin, a counter-culture
hero famed for his routines about drugs and dirty words, died of
heart failure at a Los Angeles-area hospital on Sunday, a spokesman
said. He was 71.
Carlin, who had a history of heart problems, died at St. John's
Health Center in Santa Monica about 6 p.m. PDT (9 p.m. EDT) after
being admitted earlier in the afternoon for chest pains, spokesman
Jeff Abraham told Reuters.

Known for his edgy, provocative material, Carlin achieved status as
an anti-Establishment icon in the 1970s with stand-up bits full of
drug references and a routine about seven dirty words you could not
say on television. A regulatory battle over a radio broadcast of
his "Filthy Words" routine ultimately reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

#252 From: "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:14 am
Subject: SW Florida is in need of an MD-DO for Chelation Therapy
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SW Florida has lost a great healing place this week which has saved
many lives. Sunshine State Prevention is closing it's doors.

The practice could be made available to a qualified and interested
Doctor. GREAT Nurse and Nurses Assistant are built in. MANY patients .

Principals only.


Tom

#251 From: Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:53 am
Subject: Re: Gordon Research Institute
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That Intravenous edta therapy is like the main wax job on a car but that one needs daily oral chelation which is like washing the car. Least that's the analogy given. And of course his is the best oral chelation.
 
I don't want to sound negative at all about the speech but it was in my opinion quite "info-mercial-like".
 
I know that might be an unhealthy look at it and I was frankly hoping for you ( Dr Coy ) to weigh in on it. After all, when I met you I was not able to walk 1/10 mile, had to endure open heart surgery, was supposed to have several other surgeries which you advised to, er, set aside and do this chelation which I did. And although I don't know today what the status is of my right carotid, I DO know that I'm not having the difficulties I had before. One of these days I'll do another doppler on the carotid.
 
I'm grateful to you and trust your opinion.
 
He did say something about the difference between taking vitamin C and actually absorbing it . I'd like some direction on that.
 
Regards
Tom

coygators@... wrote:
This is a little long to review right now.  Were their specific points or questions from it?
 
Doc


-----Original Message-----
From: benfordlaw <benfordlaw@creasehuggett.co.uk>
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 2:22 pm
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Gordon Research Institute

Came across this video that might help patients here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1063066025987126248

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#250 From: coygators@...
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: Gordon Research Institute
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This is a little long to review right now.  Were their specific points or questions from it?
 
Doc


-----Original Message-----
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To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 2:22 pm
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Gordon Research Institute

Came across this video that might help patients here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1063066025987126248

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#249 From: "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: Gordon Research Institute
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Interesting information, thank you Robin. I would have liked to hear
more about how this affects the blockages in our arteries, hearts, etc,
over what period of time, etc etc etc. This seemed a very broad based
infomercial that I'd like to hear more specifics.

Not being cynical either, hope I'm not being misunderstood.

Tom
SW Floriduh





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#248 From: benfordlaw <benfordlaw@...>
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:22 pm
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#247 From: Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: Chelation Therapy Clinic in Wellington Area?
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Hi Doc,
 
We're going to look. I used to live in Wellington and with the housing market continuing to implode, it's starting to look like a better and better deal all the time. So we're going to look.
 
Probably go next week and check it out. We're in no hurry. You know what we do for a living. Everything that's happening from the ignoramuses ignoring Dr Paul to the fed "taking action" yesterday is bad for the republic but great for our business. So..........:)
 
I'm bringing Hanh over to see Donna in about an hour by the way.
 
Best Regards and Thank you
Tom

coygators@... wrote:
Hey, Tom. 
 
I read the forum when I see a post.
 
The I-95 corridor above and below West Palm used to be loaded with chelation therapists.  The best first place to look would be the A.C.A.M. website, www.acam.org or .net, etc.  The problem with them had to do with their exclusionary policy of only referring to doctors who jumped through the hoop to become Diplomates.  There used to be a host of doctors who learned and practiced chelation therapy according to their teachings that were very good but chose not to jump through that hoop.  It is the best place to start, though.
 
Moving?


-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955 <mrtudo1955@yahoo.com>
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 2:12 am
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Chelation Therapy Clinic in Wellington Area?

Anyone know of a chelation clinic in Wellington Fla?

Doctor Coy are you still reading this forum?

Thank you all in advance

Tom
SW Fla




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#246 From: coygators@...
Date: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Chelation Therapy Clinic in Wellington Area?
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Hey, Tom. 
 
I read the forum when I see a post.
 
The I-95 corridor above and below West Palm used to be loaded with chelation therapists.  The best first place to look would be the A.C.A.M. website, www.acam.org or .net, etc.  The problem with them had to do with their exclusionary policy of only referring to doctors who jumped through the hoop to become Diplomates.  There used to be a host of doctors who learned and practiced chelation therapy according to their teachings that were very good but chose not to jump through that hoop.  It is the best place to start, though.
 
Moving?


-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955 <mrtudo1955@...>
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 2:12 am
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Chelation Therapy Clinic in Wellington Area?

Anyone know of a chelation clinic in Wellington Fla?

Doctor Coy are you still reading this forum?

Thank you all in advance

Tom
SW Fla


#245 From: "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:12 am
Subject: Chelation Therapy Clinic in Wellington Area?
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Anyone know of a chelation clinic in Wellington Fla?

Doctor Coy are you still reading this forum?

Thank you all in advance

Tom
SW Fla

#244 From: "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 1:03 am
Subject: Re: Weekly Walking for week ending 3/27/2006/UPDATE 3/1/2008
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Hi All,

Just popped in here. I had a chelation session at Dr Coy's place a
few days ago. Still going about once a month for maintenence. I just
clicked on the post below and wow, I'm still walking but man am I
moving in comparison to 3/27/2006 and I was really doing good then!

Did 2 miles on the treadmill tonight at a level 3 incline.
2.001 miles
34.19 minutes
223 calories
27.8 carbs
#3 elevation
3.5 MPH Speed

That's in comparison to 2 miles on 3/26/06 at 47 Minutes on flat, non
elevated surface. Wow!

Now I've done better than the above and have breached 4MPH at the
same incline. But I haven't been consistent with that. Business has
been very business with the dollar continuing it's implosion and gold
going nuts. Both my Wife and I also started getting into the Ron Paul
for President campaign till it became obvious that the media has
decided on more warfare and welfare, taxes, borrowing and spending
with the other lowlife candidates.

So I started playing hooky from my aggressive walking. Not completely
but nowhere near the consistent levels I was doing. I'm going to
start doing more again though.

I'm living proof of how the change in diet, quitting smoking ( quit
on January 15th or so 2005), intravenous chelation therapy,
agggressive exercise and walking, along with some other changes can
work to vastly improve the quality of life.

Remember and I don't know if I mentioned it here but, the
cardiologist DID say that my open heart surgery was most likely a
failure. So, the above is not bad for a "failure" eh? Ha!

How y'all been doing?

Rgrds
Tom
SW Florida


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<mrtudo1955@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I had Chelation number 35 today . Here's my weekly walking update.
>
> 3/21    4.2 Miles   1 Hr 39 Minutes
> 3/22    0
> 3/23    0
> 3/24    5.8 Miles   2 Hr 7 Minutes
> 3/25    0
> 3/26    2.0 Miles   47 Minutes
> 3/27    0
>
> Total:  12 Miles !
>
> I want to reiterate that I'm not breaking any speed records and
that
> I'm in some real pain at times on these walks. But the fact is I
> could not walk a block when all this started without HAVING TO STOP.
>
> I'll keep up with the chelation as long as my veins hold out. It
has
> become somewhat of an issue having scar tissue in a couple of my
> veins. I'll ask Dr Coy if I can go for 50, but not do from 40-50
> twice a week but maybe once a week for awhile and see what the
> results are.
>
> I hope to find this treatment in SE Asia however as when the
current
> bull market is over in my industry, my Wife and I would like to go
> back there...............
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
> Port Charlotte

#243 From: tedd <tguenzel@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2007 1:48 am
Subject: Re: Re: Tedd EDTA cross BBB to decalcify
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Alpha Lipoic Acid


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can you tell us what ala is that crosses the bbb.
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#242 From: Steve <stock_talent@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2007 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Tedd EDTA cross BBB to decalcify
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#241 From: tedd <tguenzel@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2007 1:40 am
Subject: Re: Stroke
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How does HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY help strokes?
Tedd

coygators@... wrote:

EDTA chelation therapy and strokes:  strokes are caused when tissue suddenly loses its blood supply and suffers or succumbs to oxygen deprivation.  Causes are related to hemorrhages (ruptured blood vessels), blockage from a blood clot somewhere upstream, or blockage from a piece of plaque that broke off upstream and lodged in the way.  Depending upon the size of the area damaged, the result will be any where from a small area of malfunction, to more widespread areas or even death.  The length of time the area is blocked also is important for recovery or lack thereof.
 
Treatment of strokes with chelation is shutting the barn door after a horse got out.  It may improve chances of fewer and fewer horses getting out in the future, or it may entice a few horses to return with improved blood flow downstream.  PREVENTION of strokes with EDTA chelation therapy is a horse of a different color, so to speak.  It is understood that chelated patients get less strokes, or get strokes less often than non-chelated patients.  Three dimensional plaque is rough surfaced and contributes to turbulence in the blood vessels which creates dynamics in blood flow that are conducive to clot formation.  Reducing the roughness of the plaque reduces the turbulence and therefore reduces the formation of blood clots which lead to strokes.
 
HOWEVER, THE BEST TREATMENT FOR STROKES ONE WEEK TO TWENTY YEARS AFTER THEY OCCUR IS HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY!!!!!
 
There's a little more about this stroke thing, especially as it is related to carotid artery evaluation and surgery.  If you have ever had a carotid angiogram, which surgeons use to determine candidates for endarterectomy (cleaning out the plaque in the artery), you may recall the reporting of plaque amounts:  "less than 50%", or "50% to 70% blockage," or "70% to 90% blocked," or "95%," or even "100% blocked."  Each of those very widespread guesses is used to categorize whether you are not a candidate for surgery, whether you are not YET a candidate for surgery, whether you are a candidate for urgent surgery, or whether you just better go home and wait for the other carotid artery to become 100% blocked.  With the statistics of surgically induced strokes not very favorable, it makes an awful lot of sense to do chelation therapy instead of surgery in almost all cases.  Again, the flow dynamics favors better plaque removal from larger arteries, and experience does show carotids clear faster than arteries to the heart or to the lower legs.
 
Any questions?
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@yahoo.com
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] Stroke

Thanks Ted,
 
Then your question is even more interesting to me now.
 
I have a neighbor, not much older ( if at all ) than me ( I'm 52 ) who I saw sort of walking the other day, very slowly, arm seemed frozen by his side. I never knew his name, he lives with his Wife and kids about 4 houses down from us. I stopped and spoke with him and he showed me the scar from surgery on his BOTH carotids. He had a stroke. I referred him to Dr Coy in Punta Gorda. Told him of my progress in walking, etc etc etc.
 
I wondered if chelation therapy could possibly benefit someone who has suffered a stroke.
 
Tom

tedd <tguenzel@comcast.net> wrote:
Blood-Brain Barrier

The blood-brain barrier (BBB) is the specialized system of capillary
endothelial cells that protects the brain from harmful substances in
the blood stream, while supplying the brain with the required
nutrients for proper function. Unlike peripheral capillaries that
allow relatively free exchange of substance across / between cells,
the BBB strictly limits transport into the brain through both physical
(tight junctions) and metabolic (enzymes) barriers. Thus the BBB is
often the rate-limiting factor in determining permeation of
therapeutic drugs into the brain. Additionally, BBB breakdown is
theorized to be a key component in central nervous system (CNS)
associated pathologies. BBB investigation is an ever growing and
dynamic field studied by pharmacologists, neuroscientists,
pathologists, physiologists, and clinical practitioners.
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#240 From: tedd <tguenzel@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2007 1:43 am
Subject: Re: Tedd EDTA cross BBB to decalcify
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ala crosses the bbb for al and other metals
tedd

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That's an interesting question, Tedd.  Not everyone knows of a blood-brain barrier; but a common question is, "Does chelation therapy help dementia, or Azheimer's Disease?"
 
Plaque is formed in the arteries of various sizes, not in capillaries which interface with brain tissue.  Therefore, EDTA and other chelating agents, like DMPS (primarily for mercury), do not work by crossing into cellular tissue to bind with metals, then bring them back out of cells.  They bind with available metals and minerals within the blood vessels, clear them through the kidneys and therefore cleanse the arteries.
 
Is the mechanism as we have long thought:  to bind with calcium and molecule by molecule remove excess plaque from the artery walls?  Or does the mechanism have more to do with the decrease in inflammation caused by heavy metals which allows damaged and inflamed arteries to heal and lessen their need for plaque?
 
Whatever the mechanism, if dementia has gone on for too long or is advanced, then reversal has been predictably nonexistent.  However, earlier stages seem to clear or at least stabilize with EDTA chelation therapy.
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Tedd EDTA cross BBB to decalcify

Does anyone know if EDTA crosses the blood brain barrier to decalcify the
blood vessels in the brain?
Thank you
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#239 From: Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Wed Apr 4, 2007 12:59 am
Subject: Re: "Vitamin K May Help Clear Arteries"
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Hey Steve,
 
OT I know but as far as that test is concerned I'm off the charts libertarian.
 
Rgrds
Tom

Steve <dudescholar3@...> wrote:
"Vitamin K May Help Clear Arteries", Washington Post, April 2, 2007,
Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040201066.html

Animals given high levels of vitamin K showed a 37 percent reduction
in calcium buildup in their arteries, a new study finds.

Arterial calcification is an independent risk factor for
cardiovascular disease, researchers noted.

The Dutch study, by researchers at Maastricht University, is the first
in animals to show that arterial calcification and resulting decreased
arterial elasticity can be reversed by consuming high levels of
vitamin K. The findings support the results of a Rotterdam population-
based study published in 2004.

This research into the benefits of high vitamin K intake may prove
especially important for people taking blood thinning medications,
such as warfarin, which are known to cause rapid calcification in the
arteries. Many patients taking blood thinners aren't aware of this
risk, the researchers said.

Vitamin K is found in many kinds of foods, including soybean, olive
and canola oils, and dark green vegetables such as broccoli, kale,
spinach and Brussels sprouts. Vitamin K is also available in
supplements.

The study was funded by Maastricht University and is published in the
April 1 issue of the journal Blood.

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#238 From: coygators@...
Date: Tue Apr 3, 2007 10:54 am
Subject: Re: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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I don't remember.
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:25 AM
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?

I never thought of the ethics before. Great point. Certainly it's the
patient that probably has to sign a waiver etc but why would anyone
opt in and take such a chance?

I wouldn't.

When is the testing supposed to wrap up and the results made public?
I thought this year was the year, no? Yes?

Tom

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, coygators@... wrote:
>
> Steve,
> You are a wise consumer. It is not unethical for a patient
to make a choice to assist the scientific process. I just think it
is unethical for a physician to withhold a needed therapy.
> Also, it is probably a good idea for you to optimize your
blood's buffering capacity.
>
> jboy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dudescholar3@...
> To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] study taking place at National
Institutes of Health?
>
>
> coygators@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
> >
> > CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells
you
> > your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it
toward
> > the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.
>
> I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue
indefinitely - my
> ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.
>
> > I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> > chelation study. It is troubling.
> >
> > As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be
getting "placebo?"
> > It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has
a
> > problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or
not.
> > You go to a doctor to be helped.
>
> I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are
involved in the NIH
> study. The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that
offers
> chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study. My reply
was "Not a
> chance!", I want to get the real deal. EDTA comes with a burning
pain - I think
> it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell
nowadays if
> I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play
that game.
> I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try
for a monthly
> maintenance IV session of EDTA. Because my kidney function was very
good, I got
> a higher dosage of EDTA than average.
>
> --
>
> Steve - dudescholar3@...
>
> "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we
must still march
> on." --Stopford Brooke
>
>
>
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#237 From: Steve <dudescholar3@...>
Date: Tue Apr 3, 2007 3:24 am
Subject: "Vitamin K May Help Clear Arteries"
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"Vitamin K May Help Clear Arteries", Washington Post, April 2, 2007,
Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040201066.\
html

Animals given high levels of vitamin K showed a 37 percent reduction
in calcium buildup in their arteries, a new study finds.

Arterial calcification is an independent risk factor for
cardiovascular disease, researchers noted.

The Dutch study, by researchers at Maastricht University, is the first
in animals to show that arterial calcification and resulting decreased
arterial elasticity can be reversed by consuming high levels of
vitamin K. The findings support the results of a Rotterdam population-
based study published in 2004.

This research into the benefits of high vitamin K intake may prove
especially important for people taking blood thinning medications,
such as warfarin, which are known to cause rapid calcification in the
arteries. Many patients taking blood thinners aren't aware of this
risk, the researchers said.

Vitamin K is found in many kinds of foods, including soybean, olive
and canola oils, and dark green vegetables such as broccoli, kale,
spinach and Brussels sprouts. Vitamin K is also available in
supplements.

The study was funded by Maastricht University and is published in the
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#236 From: "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 4:25 am
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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I never thought of the ethics before. Great point. Certainly it's the
patient that probably has to sign a waiver etc but why would anyone
opt in and take such a chance?

I wouldn't.

When is the testing supposed to wrap up and the results made public?
I thought this year was the year, no? Yes?

Tom


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, coygators@... wrote:
>
> Steve,
>       You are a wise consumer.  It is not unethical for a patient
to make a choice to assist the scientific process.  I just think it
is unethical for a physician to withhold a needed therapy.
>      Also, it is probably a good idea for you to optimize your
blood's buffering capacity.
>
> jboy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dudescholar3@...
> To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] study taking place at National
Institutes of Health?
>
>
> coygators@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
> >
> > CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells
you
> > your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it
toward
> > the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.
>
> I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue
indefinitely - my
> ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.
>
> > I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> > chelation study. It is troubling.
> >
> > As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be
getting "placebo?"
> > It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has
a
> > problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or
not.
> > You go to a doctor to be helped.
>
> I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are
involved in the NIH
> study. The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that
offers
> chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study. My reply
was "Not a
> chance!", I want to get the real deal. EDTA comes with a burning
pain - I think
> it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell
nowadays if
> I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play
that game.
> I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try
for a monthly
> maintenance IV session of EDTA. Because my kidney function was very
good, I got
> a higher dosage of EDTA than average.
>
> --
>
> Steve - dudescholar3@...
>
> "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we
must still march
> on." --Stopford Brooke
>
>
>
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#235 From: coygators@...
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 3:55 am
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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Steve,
      You are a wise consumer.  It is not unethical for a patient to make a choice to assist the scientific process.  I just think it is unethical for a physician to withhold a needed therapy.
     Also, it is probably a good idea for you to optimize your blood's buffering capacity.
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dudescholar3@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] study taking place at National Institutes of Health?

coygators@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
>
> CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells you
> your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it toward
> the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.

I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue indefinitely - my
ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.

> I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> chelation study. It is troubling.
>
> As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be getting "placebo?"
> It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has a
> problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or not.
> You go to a doctor to be helped.

I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are involved in the NIH
study. The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that offers
chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study. My reply was "Not a
chance!", I want to get the real deal. EDTA comes with a burning pain - I think
it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell nowadays if
I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play that game.
I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try for a monthly
maintenance IV session of EDTA. Because my kidney function was very good, I got
a higher dosage of EDTA than average.

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#234 From: coygators@...
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 3:49 am
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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Tom,
     Some people use B-complex vitamins in the I.V.  I use separate vitamins only, since I have found and heard of some people being sensitive to one or more of the ingredients.  Maybe it smells worse in N.C.?  Also, you may have received DMSO which stinks afterward.
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] study taking place at National Institutes of Health?

Hi Sreve,
 
would you mind saying what your EF is? ( "was" if known or relevant, thank you )
 
I noticed when I had chelation IV in western NC that the EDTA smell afterwards was much more pronounced than what I am having here in Fla. What does that mean?
 
Rgrds
Tom

Steve <dudescholar3@basicmail.net> wrote:
coygators@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
>
> CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells you
> your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it toward
> the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.

I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue indefinitely - my
ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.

> I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> chelation study. It is troubling.
>
> As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be getting "placebo?"
> It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has a
> problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or not.
> You go to a doctor to be helped.

I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are involved in the NIH
study. The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that offers
chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study. My reply was "Not a
chance!", I want to get the real deal. EDTA comes with a burning pain - I think
it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell nowadays if
I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play that game.
I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try for a monthly
maintenance IV session of EDTA. Because my kidney function was very good, I got
a higher dosage of EDTA than average.

--

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#233 From: coygators@...
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 3:42 am
Subject: Re: Stroke
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Hey, Tom.  Your diligence is like (yours may be better, though) so many motivated by an encounter with their mortality.  Taking charge and DOING something when up against a (mortal) threat is the normal response to that threat.  You are relentless in that pursuit and it is paying off.  Your concern for having a stroke does not depend on predicting what will actually happen to you.  No one knows that.  What we do know is that strokes happen and they don't sound good.  We know they happen to people with type A personalities that never breathe fresh air and don't say "no" every once in a while.  We know they happen to people with a lot of plaque in their arteries.  We also know they happen to people who have carotid artery surgery. 
 
I think your chelation experience has been a very good one in terms of measurable improvement, both in your exertion and in the medical testing you have had.  Endarterectomy surgery as I recall has had mortalities in the less than 5% range and morbidities (intra-op and post-op strokes) from 3% to 15% in the past.  However, today with the use of laser and whatever, the incidence of strokes may be a little better, but still present.
 
The percentage game I alluded to in my previous answer has to do with weighing surgical risk vs. benefit:  Less blockage than 50% is associated with hardly any strokes; therefore, the risk of strokes due to surgery is higher than "hardly any" so surgery is not recommended.  From approximately 60% to 80% blockage is when the chance of stroke is highest, so surgeons are afraid not to operate, even though the chance of stroke is also not as great as the chance of post-op stroke; BUT, if you have a stroke before you have surgery that a surgeon advised you to have, it makes him look bad, so he plays the odds and recommends surgery.  From 80% to 90% blockage the risks are about the same for no surgery and surgery.  90% and above blockage is associated with much fewer strokes because flow through the turbulent area is reduced and the major threat one has then is the slow march to total occlusion which is the ONLY reason the surgery is ever performed:  threat of complete closure is the only expected natural outcome if one lives long enough.
 
However, chelation therapy has thwarted many natural progressions and even reversed many.  It is a much safer option.  Please note:  anything that may decrease the inflammatory process will further improve the health of your circulation and remove plaque.  Always several stones to turn over.
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] Stroke

Hi Doc,
 
Good to hear from you, thank you posting your knowledge here. You said "With the history of surgically induced strokes not very favorable" you are referring to endarterectomy ? Would you please comment on what that history is, percentage wise or whatever is appropriate?
 
I had 2 ultrasounds on the carotids and in the 1st test, the result was 60-70% and the surgeon recommended surgery rather than suffer a potential TIA. He also wanted me to have a bypass of the right femoral, a stent in the left common illiac all done with the endarterectomy in the same week in the hospital. I think that was roughly Sept, 2005. My open heart surgery was done by the same fellow 6 months prior to that sept recommendation. When I called the cardiologist about this he seemed surprised when I told him of the recommendations saying " he said that?" ( referring to the surgeon ). When answered affirmatively he said "you can't do that, even if you did need all that it would have to be done in stages". I went to this cardiologist about 8 months ago and he advised AGAINST anything done with the right femoral, then after the results of a new ultrasound said that there was no way I needed surgery on the right carotid as the blockage appeared to be 50-60% and when I tried to prod further asking if it was possible that 50-60 meant that I could be just a little over 60 and he answered "NO, it's appears closer to 50 ) ( ! ). Regarding the left illiac, he said that's strickly a lifestyle decision in that if it prevents me from going places, functioning, etc then I'd need to address it. Can you comment?
 
I am now about 2 months past when they wanted me to return for yet another ultrasound and I am afraid to do so.
 
My ability to walk and excercise in this same timeframe has GREATLY impoved and whereas I was struggling to walk a mile in 2 miles an hour....I am now regularly walking on the electronic treadmill and it's showing almost 2 MPH nonstop at 3.2 MPH! I can probably walk somewhere between 5 and 10 miles nonstop in the 2.5MPH range. All this buy the way at an INCLINE on the treadmill AND recently in the last few months doing an upper body workout simultaneously while walking along. Now it's taken some real doing to get to this point and I'm convinced that it's a combination of factors as to why this has taken place which includes the chelation, diet change, no smoking now for 2.2 years, excercise.......
 
But still the fear of a stroke sometimes haunts me.
 
Tom
coygators@aol.com wrote:
EDTA chelation therapy and strokes:  strokes are caused when tissue suddenly loses its blood supply and suffers or succumbs to oxygen deprivation.  Causes are related to hemorrhages (ruptured blood vessels), blockage from a blood clot somewhere upstream, or blockage from a piece of plaque that broke off upstream and lodged in the way.  Depending upon the size of the area damaged, the result will be any where from a small area of malfunction, to more widespread areas or even death.  The length of time the area is blocked also is important for recovery or lack thereof.
 
Treatment of strokes with chelation is shutting the barn door after a horse got out.  It may improve chances of fewer and fewer horses getting out in the future, or it may entice a few horses to return with improved blood flow downstream.  PREVENTION of strokes with EDTA chelation therapy is a horse of a different color, so to speak.  It is understood that chelated patients get less strokes, or get strokes less often than non-chelated patients.  Three dimensional plaque is rough surfaced and contributes to turbulence in the blood vessels which creates dynamics in blood flow that are conducive to clot formation.  Reducing the roughness of the plaque reduces the turbulence and therefore reduces the formation of blood clots which lead to strokes.
 
HOWEVER, THE BEST TREATMENT FOR STROKES ONE WEEK TO TWENTY YEARS AFTER THEY OCCUR IS HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY!!!!!
 
There's a little more about this stroke thing, especially as it is related to carotid artery evaluation and surgery.  If you have ever had a carotid angiogram, which surgeons use to determine candidates for endarterectomy (cleaning out the plaque in the artery), you may recall the reporting of plaque amounts:  "less than 50%", or "50% to 70% blockage," or "70% to 90% blocked," or "95%," or even "100% blocked."  Each of those very widespread guesses is used to categorize whether you are not a candidate for surgery, whether you are not YET a candidate for surgery, whether you are a candidate for urgent surgery, or whether you just better go home and wait for the other carotid artery to become 100% blocked.  With the statistics of surgically induced strokes not very favorable, it makes an awful lot of sense to do chelation therapy instead of surgery in almost all cases.  Again, the flow dynamics favors better plaque removal from larger arteries, and experience does show carotids clear faster than arteries to the heart or to the lower legs.
 
Any questions?
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@yahoo.com
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] Stroke

Thanks Ted,
 
Then your question is even more interesting to me now.
 
I have a neighbor, not much older ( if at all ) than me ( I'm 52 ) who I saw sort of walking the other day, very slowly, arm seemed frozen by his side. I never knew his name, he lives with his Wife and kids about 4 houses down from us. I stopped and spoke with him and he showed me the scar from surgery on his BOTH carotids. He had a stroke. I referred him to Dr Coy in Punta Gorda. Told him of my progress in walking, etc etc etc.
 
I wondered if chelation therapy could possibly benefit someone who has suffered a stroke.
 
Tom

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Blood-Brain Barrier

The blood-brain barrier (BBB) is the specialized system of capillary
endothelial cells that protects the brain from harmful substances in
the blood stream, while supplying the brain with the required
nutrients for proper function. Unlike peripheral capillaries that
allow relatively free exchange of substance across / between cells,
the BBB strictly limits transport into the brain through both physical
(tight junctions) and metabolic (enzymes) barriers. Thus the BBB is
often the rate-limiting factor in determining permeation of
therapeutic drugs into the brain. Additionally, BBB breakdown is
theorized to be a key component in central nervous system (CNS)
associated pathologies. BBB investigation is an ever growing and
dynamic field studied by pharmacologists, neuroscientists,
pathologists, physiologists, and clinical practitioners.
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#232 From: Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 3:10 am
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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Hi Sreve,
 
would you mind saying what your EF is? ( "was" if known or relevant, thank you )
 
I noticed when I had chelation IV in western NC that the EDTA smell afterwards was much more pronounced than what I am having here in Fla. What does that mean?
 
Rgrds
Tom

Steve <dudescholar3@...> wrote:
coygators@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
>
> CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells you
> your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it toward
> the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.

I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue indefinitely - my
ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.

> I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> chelation study. It is troubling.
>
> As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be getting "placebo?"
> It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has a
> problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or not.
> You go to a doctor to be helped.

I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are involved in the NIH
study. The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that offers
chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study. My reply was "Not a
chance!", I want to get the real deal. EDTA comes with a burning pain - I think
it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell nowadays if
I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play that game.
I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try for a monthly
maintenance IV session of EDTA. Because my kidney function was very good, I got
a higher dosage of EDTA than average.

--

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#231 From: Steve <dudescholar3@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 4:01 am
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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coygators@... wrote:
>
>
> Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
>
> CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells you
> your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it toward
> the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.

I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue indefinitely - my
ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.

> I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> chelation study.  It is troubling.
>
> As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be getting "placebo?"
> It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has a
> problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or not.
> You go to a doctor to be helped.

I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are involved in the NIH
study.  The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that offers
chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study.  My reply was "Not a
chance!", I want to get the real deal.  EDTA comes with a burning pain - I think
it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell nowadays if
I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play that game.
I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try for a monthly
maintenance IV session of EDTA.  Because my kidney function was very good, I got
a higher dosage of EDTA than average.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march
on." --Stopford Brooke

#230 From: Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 2:57 am
Subject: Re: Stroke
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Hi Doc,
 
Good to hear from you, thank you posting your knowledge here. You said "With the history of surgically induced strokes not very favorable" you are referring to endarterectomy ? Would you please comment on what that history is, percentage wise or whatever is appropriate?
 
I had 2 ultrasounds on the carotids and in the 1st test, the result was 60-70% and the surgeon recommended surgery rather than suffer a potential TIA. He also wanted me to have a bypass of the right femoral, a stent in the left common illiac all done with the endarterectomy in the same week in the hospital. I think that was roughly Sept, 2005. My open heart surgery was done by the same fellow 6 months prior to that sept recommendation. When I called the cardiologist about this he seemed surprised when I told him of the recommendations saying " he said that?" ( referring to the surgeon ). When answered affirmatively he said "you can't do that, even if you did need all that it would have to be done in stages". I went to this cardiologist about 8 months ago and he advised AGAINST anything done with the right femoral, then after the results of a new ultrasound said that there was no way I needed surgery on the right carotid as the blockage appeared to be 50-60% and when I tried to prod further asking if it was possible that 50-60 meant that I could be just a little over 60 and he answered "NO, it's appears closer to 50 ) ( ! ). Regarding the left illiac, he said that's strickly a lifestyle decision in that if it prevents me from going places, functioning, etc then I'd need to address it. Can you comment?
 
I am now about 2 months past when they wanted me to return for yet another ultrasound and I am afraid to do so.
 
My ability to walk and excercise in this same timeframe has GREATLY impoved and whereas I was struggling to walk a mile in 2 miles an hour....I am now regularly walking on the electronic treadmill and it's showing almost 2 MPH nonstop at 3.2 MPH! I can probably walk somewhere between 5 and 10 miles nonstop in the 2.5MPH range. All this buy the way at an INCLINE on the treadmill AND recently in the last few months doing an upper body workout simultaneously while walking along. Now it's taken some real doing to get to this point and I'm convinced that it's a combination of factors as to why this has taken place which includes the chelation, diet change, no smoking now for 2.2 years, excercise.......
 
But still the fear of a stroke sometimes haunts me.
 
Tom
coygators@... wrote:
EDTA chelation therapy and strokes:  strokes are caused when tissue suddenly loses its blood supply and suffers or succumbs to oxygen deprivation.  Causes are related to hemorrhages (ruptured blood vessels), blockage from a blood clot somewhere upstream, or blockage from a piece of plaque that broke off upstream and lodged in the way.  Depending upon the size of the area damaged, the result will be any where from a small area of malfunction, to more widespread areas or even death.  The length of time the area is blocked also is important for recovery or lack thereof.
 
Treatment of strokes with chelation is shutting the barn door after a horse got out.  It may improve chances of fewer and fewer horses getting out in the future, or it may entice a few horses to return with improved blood flow downstream.  PREVENTION of strokes with EDTA chelation therapy is a horse of a different color, so to speak.  It is understood that chelated patients get less strokes, or get strokes less often than non-chelated patients.  Three dimensional plaque is rough surfaced and contributes to turbulence in the blood vessels which creates dynamics in blood flow that are conducive to clot formation.  Reducing the roughness of the plaque reduces the turbulence and therefore reduces the formation of blood clots which lead to strokes.
 
HOWEVER, THE BEST TREATMENT FOR STROKES ONE WEEK TO TWENTY YEARS AFTER THEY OCCUR IS HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY!!!!!
 
There's a little more about this stroke thing, especially as it is related to carotid artery evaluation and surgery.  If you have ever had a carotid angiogram, which surgeons use to determine candidates for endarterectomy (cleaning out the plaque in the artery), you may recall the reporting of plaque amounts:  "less than 50%", or "50% to 70% blockage," or "70% to 90% blocked," or "95%," or even "100% blocked."  Each of those very widespread guesses is used to categorize whether you are not a candidate for surgery, whether you are not YET a candidate for surgery, whether you are a candidate for urgent surgery, or whether you just better go home and wait for the other carotid artery to become 100% blocked.  With the statistics of surgically induced strokes not very favorable, it makes an awful lot of sense to do chelation therapy instead of surgery in almost all cases.  Again, the flow dynamics favors better plaque removal from larger arteries, and experience does show carotids clear faster than arteries to the heart or to the lower legs.
 
Any questions?
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@yahoo.com
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] Stroke

Thanks Ted,
 
Then your question is even more interesting to me now.
 
I have a neighbor, not much older ( if at all ) than me ( I'm 52 ) who I saw sort of walking the other day, very slowly, arm seemed frozen by his side. I never knew his name, he lives with his Wife and kids about 4 houses down from us. I stopped and spoke with him and he showed me the scar from surgery on his BOTH carotids. He had a stroke. I referred him to Dr Coy in Punta Gorda. Told him of my progress in walking, etc etc etc.
 
I wondered if chelation therapy could possibly benefit someone who has suffered a stroke.
 
Tom

tedd <tguenzel@comcast.net> wrote:
Blood-Brain Barrier

The blood-brain barrier (BBB) is the specialized system of capillary
endothelial cells that protects the brain from harmful substances in
the blood stream, while supplying the brain with the required
nutrients for proper function. Unlike peripheral capillaries that
allow relatively free exchange of substance across / between cells,
the BBB strictly limits transport into the brain through both physical
(tight junctions) and metabolic (enzymes) barriers. Thus the BBB is
often the rate-limiting factor in determining permeation of
therapeutic drugs into the brain. Additionally, BBB breakdown is
theorized to be a key component in central nervous system (CNS)
associated pathologies. BBB investigation is an ever growing and
dynamic field studied by pharmacologists, neuroscientists,
pathologists, physiologists, and clinical practitioners.
http://users.ahsc.arizona.edu/davis/bbb.htm




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#229 From: coygators@...
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 2:41 am
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
coygators@...
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Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
 
CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells you your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it toward the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.
 
I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH chelation study.  It is troubling.
 
As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be getting "placebo?"  It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has a problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or not.  You go to a doctor to be helped.
 
The other problem is more sinister:  chelation therapy for circulatory problems has been a huge threat to the medical establishment for over fifty years.  They have tried every mob technique in the book to try to put a stop to it.  The NIH study is a trap the weak-minded among the chelation users helped to set up and are in the process of taking the bait.  They want a place at the table.  They want chelation therapy to be legitimate.  Why?  For the basest of all reasons:  greed.  Some are even worse:  they want it available to everyone since it is such a good therapy, and if the government says it is o.k. then it will be made affordable for all:  the same egalitarianism that leads to slavery every single time.
 
The result of the study will be one of two things, both leading to checkmate:  either chelation therapy will be declared, "once and for all" ineffective (even though this study is just as flawed as other studies designed to fail in the past) and will be outlawed by dictate; or it will be declared "a viable therapy" and as it is declared "legitimate," Medicare and other third-party payers will reimburse such low amounts as to make it economically unfeasible to do it, thus removing it from the market place. 
 
Go get it now!  Do not pass "GO!" Go to your nearest trusted chelator and get started.
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: oobagah@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: [chelationtherapy] study taking place at National Institutes of Health?

I'm new to this board. I have had two heart attacks, and two open heart
surgeries, and now I'm dealing with congestive heart failure with a
defibrillator. I have two blocked arteries that they don't seem too
concerned with, but I would like to see if chelation can get rid of
them. I have two cardiologists and I'm not impressed with either one of
them. I think all of their medications are a lot like chemo is for
cancer. They don't really cure anything.

The oobagah is from a kids video game, and this is my wife's user name
on the yahoo boards. Three of us are now using this name, and we have
another grown child living at home who uses this computer with a
different email address.

Is anyone taking part in the study being done by the National
Institutes of Health? What I don't like about these studies is the
placebo bit. I think if the placebo can get rid of arterial plaque then
let it. They can surely tell if the chelation is working or not. If
you're interested check it out at www.nccam.nih.gov/chelation.
Tom


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#228 From: coygators@...
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 2:21 am
Subject: Re: Stroke
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EDTA chelation therapy and strokes:  strokes are caused when tissue suddenly loses its blood supply and suffers or succumbs to oxygen deprivation.  Causes are related to hemorrhages (ruptured blood vessels), blockage from a blood clot somewhere upstream, or blockage from a piece of plaque that broke off upstream and lodged in the way.  Depending upon the size of the area damaged, the result will be any where from a small area of malfunction, to more widespread areas or even death.  The length of time the area is blocked also is important for recovery or lack thereof.
 
Treatment of strokes with chelation is shutting the barn door after a horse got out.  It may improve chances of fewer and fewer horses getting out in the future, or it may entice a few horses to return with improved blood flow downstream.  PREVENTION of strokes with EDTA chelation therapy is a horse of a different color, so to speak.  It is understood that chelated patients get less strokes, or get strokes less often than non-chelated patients.  Three dimensional plaque is rough surfaced and contributes to turbulence in the blood vessels which creates dynamics in blood flow that are conducive to clot formation.  Reducing the roughness of the plaque reduces the turbulence and therefore reduces the formation of blood clots which lead to strokes.
 
HOWEVER, THE BEST TREATMENT FOR STROKES ONE WEEK TO TWENTY YEARS AFTER THEY OCCUR IS HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY!!!!!
 
There's a little more about this stroke thing, especially as it is related to carotid artery evaluation and surgery.  If you have ever had a carotid angiogram, which surgeons use to determine candidates for endarterectomy (cleaning out the plaque in the artery), you may recall the reporting of plaque amounts:  "less than 50%", or "50% to 70% blockage," or "70% to 90% blocked," or "95%," or even "100% blocked."  Each of those very widespread guesses is used to categorize whether you are not a candidate for surgery, whether you are not YET a candidate for surgery, whether you are a candidate for urgent surgery, or whether you just better go home and wait for the other carotid artery to become 100% blocked.  With the statistics of surgically induced strokes not very favorable, it makes an awful lot of sense to do chelation therapy instead of surgery in almost all cases.  Again, the flow dynamics favors better plaque removal from larger arteries, and experience does show carotids clear faster than arteries to the heart or to the lower legs.
 
Any questions?
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] Stroke

Thanks Ted,
 
Then your question is even more interesting to me now.
 
I have a neighbor, not much older ( if at all ) than me ( I'm 52 ) who I saw sort of walking the other day, very slowly, arm seemed frozen by his side. I never knew his name, he lives with his Wife and kids about 4 houses down from us. I stopped and spoke with him and he showed me the scar from surgery on his BOTH carotids. He had a stroke. I referred him to Dr Coy in Punta Gorda. Told him of my progress in walking, etc etc etc.
 
I wondered if chelation therapy could possibly benefit someone who has suffered a stroke.
 
Tom

tedd <tguenzel@comcast.net> wrote:
Blood-Brain Barrier

The blood-brain barrier (BBB) is the specialized system of capillary
endothelial cells that protects the brain from harmful substances in
the blood stream, while supplying the brain with the required
nutrients for proper function. Unlike peripheral capillaries that
allow relatively free exchange of substance across / between cells,
the BBB strictly limits transport into the brain through both physical
(tight junctions) and metabolic (enzymes) barriers. Thus the BBB is
often the rate-limiting factor in determining permeation of
therapeutic drugs into the brain. Additionally, BBB breakdown is
theorized to be a key component in central nervous system (CNS)
associated pathologies. BBB investigation is an ever growing and
dynamic field studied by pharmacologists, neuroscientists,
pathologists, physiologists, and clinical practitioners.
http://users.ahsc.arizona.edu/davis/bbb.htm




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#227 From: coygators@...
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2007 1:52 am
Subject: Re: Tedd EDTA cross BBB to decalcify
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That's an interesting question, Tedd.  Not everyone knows of a blood-brain barrier; but a common question is, "Does chelation therapy help dementia, or Azheimer's Disease?"
 
Plaque is formed in the arteries of various sizes, not in capillaries which interface with brain tissue.  Therefore, EDTA and other chelating agents, like DMPS (primarily for mercury), do not work by crossing into cellular tissue to bind with metals, then bring them back out of cells.  They bind with available metals and minerals within the blood vessels, clear them through the kidneys and therefore cleanse the arteries.
 
Is the mechanism as we have long thought:  to bind with calcium and molecule by molecule remove excess plaque from the artery walls?  Or does the mechanism have more to do with the decrease in inflammation caused by heavy metals which allows damaged and inflamed arteries to heal and lessen their need for plaque?
 
Whatever the mechanism, if dementia has gone on for too long or is advanced, then reversal has been predictably nonexistent.  However, earlier stages seem to clear or at least stabilize with EDTA chelation therapy.
 
jboy
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tguenzel@...
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Tedd EDTA cross BBB to decalcify

Does anyone know if EDTA crosses the blood brain barrier to decalcify the
blood vessels in the brain?
Thank you
Tedd


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#226 From: E BARBARIN <emarbar@...>
Date: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
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I was diagnosed with MS from years of aspartame/sugarless product usage.
Dr[s.]Charles Mary Jr and III had/have a radio show. He is the worlds expert on chelation therapy! http://www.maryclinic.com/  Hope this helps. I remain new lesion, exacerbation free for 9 years and my former lesion remains fully re-myelinated!
God bless you and believe that you can BE well. Eat LOTS of fruit and veggies, Drink water, teas[decaf-Green] and avoid ALL white products and red meat, for better health

oobagah <oobagah@...> wrote:
I'm new to this board. I have had two heart attacks, and two open heart
surgeries, and now I'm dealing with congestive heart failure with a
defibrillator. I have two blocked arteries that they don't seem too
concerned with, but I would like to see if chelation can get rid of
them. I have two cardiologists and I'm not impressed with either one of
them. I think all of their medications are a lot like chemo is for
cancer. They don't really cure anything.

The oobagah is from a kids video game, and this is my wife's user name
on the yahoo boards. Three of us are now using this name, and we have
another grown child living at home who uses this computer with a
different email address.

Is anyone taking part in the study being done by the National
Institutes of Health? What I don't like about these studies is the
placebo bit. I think if the placebo can get rid of arterial plaque then
let it. They can surely tell if the chelation is working or not. If
you're interested check it out at www.nccam.nih.gov/chelation.
Tom



#225 From: "oobagah" <oobagah@...>
Date: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:52 pm
Subject: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?
oobagah
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I'm new to this board. I have had two heart attacks, and two open heart
surgeries, and now I'm dealing with congestive heart failure with a
defibrillator. I have two blocked arteries that they don't seem too
concerned with, but I would like to see if chelation can get rid of
them. I have two cardiologists and I'm not impressed with either one of
them. I think all of their medications are a lot like chemo is for
cancer. They don't really cure anything.

The oobagah is from a kids video game, and this is my wife's user name
on the yahoo boards. Three of us are now using this name, and we have
another grown child living at home who uses this computer with a
different email address.

Is anyone taking part in the study being done by the National
Institutes of Health? What I don't like about these studies is the
placebo bit. I think if the placebo can get rid of arterial plaque then
let it. They can surely tell if the chelation is working or not. If
you're interested check it out at www.nccam.nih.gov/chelation.
Tom

#223 From: "tedd" <tguenzel@...>
Date: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:48 am
Subject: Re: Stroke
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In my opion, yes,yes,yes.
In EDTA drips they add Vit-C and other beneficial things.
It may stop him from having a 2nd stroke.
Tedd

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ted,
>
>   Then your question is even more interesting to me now.
>
>   I have a neighbor, not much older ( if at all ) than me ( I'm 52 )
who I saw sort of walking the other day, very slowly, arm seemed
frozen by his side. I never knew his name, he lives with his Wife and
kids about 4 houses down from us. I stopped and spoke with him and he
showed me the scar from surgery on his BOTH carotids. He had a stroke.
I referred him to Dr Coy in Punta Gorda. Told him of my progress in
walking, etc etc etc.
>
>   I wondered if chelation therapy could possibly benefit someone who
has suffered a stroke.
>
>   Tom
>

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