Acta Biol Hung. 2005;56(3-4):233-45.  Related Articles, Links

     Detection of nanobacteria-like particles in human atherosclerotic plaques.

     Puskas LG, Tiszlavicz L, Razga Z, Torday LL, Krenacs T, Papp JG.

     Laboratory of Functional Genomics, Biological Research Center, Hungarian
Academy of Sciences, P.O. Box 521, H-6701 Szeged, Hungary.
pusi@...

     Recent and historical evidence is consistent with the view that
atherosclerosis is an infectious disease or microbial toxicosis impacted by
genetics and behavior. Because small bacterial-like particles, also known as
nanobacteria have been detected in kidney stones, kidney and liver cyst
fluids, and can form a calcium apatite coat we posited that this agent is
present in calcified human atherosclerotic plaques. Carotid and aortic
atherosclerotic plaques and blood samples collected at autopsy were examined
for nanobacteria-like structures by light microscopy (hematoxylin-eosin and a
calcium-specific von Kossa staining), immuno-gold labeling for transmission
electron microscopy (TEM) for specific nanobacterial antigens, and
propagation from homogenized, filtered specimens in culture medium.
Nanobacterial antigens were identified in situ by immuno-TEM in 9 of 14
plaque specimens, but none of the normal carotid or aortic tissue (5
specimens). Nanobacteria-like particles were propagated from 26 of 42
sclerotic aorta and carotid samples and were confirmed by dot immunoblot,
light microscopy and TEM. [3H]L-aspartic acid was incorporated into high
molecular weight compounds of demineralized particles. PCR amplification of
16S rDNA sequences from the particles was unsuccessful by traditional
protocols. Identification of nanobacteria-like particles at the lesion
supports, but does not by itself prove the hypothesis that these agents
contribute to the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis, especially vascular
calcifications.

     PMID: 16196199 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra\
ct&list_uids=16196199&query_hl=1

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Steve - dudescholar2@...

"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."
    --Voltaire

Hi Doc,

I'm sending you a information guide to autologous stem cell therapy
for physicians via email.

Rgrds
Tom


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, coygators@... wrote:
>
> Great to hear from you, Tom.  You didn't do badly on the Bruce
protocol at
> 5+ minutes; but, did you really HAVE to stop due to leg pain?   How
does that
> correlate with your own stress testing (regular exercise)?
>
> You have had a lot of plaque to overcome.  I say stay the course,
continue
> as you stated, also with Vit. C (2,000 +) and L-Lysine (2,000 +)
and  maybe
> some L-Arginine (500 - 1,000) and stay the course.  If you don't
HAVE  to have
> surgery, avoid it at all costs.
>
> Stem Cells.  They will help grow new blood vessels, maybe.  But
they don't
> replace the ones you have, or clean them.  And ultimately,  unless
it is very
> well hidden research, I don't think we know the REAL outcome  of
stem cell
> therapy for circulation.
>
> By the way, is it still possible to get help with a web site?
>
> Very best to you/ya'll.
>
> Dr. C.
>

Great to hear from you, Tom.  You didn't do badly on the Bruce protocol at 5+ minutes; but, did you really HAVE to stop due to leg pain?  How does that correlate with your own stress testing (regular exercise)?

 

You have had a lot of plaque to overcome.  I say stay the course, continue as you stated, also with Vit. C (2,000 +) and L-Lysine (2,000 +) and maybe some L-Arginine (500 - 1,000) and stay the course.  If you don't HAVE to have surgery, avoid it at all costs.

 

Stem Cells.  They will help grow new blood vessels, maybe.  But they don't replace the ones you have, or clean them.  And ultimately, unless it is very well hidden research, I don't think we know the REAL outcome of stem cell therapy for circulation.

 

By the way, is it still possible to get help with a web site?

 

Very best to you/ya'll.

 

Dr. C.

Not in the United States at least not at this time. But it IS an
option apparently elsewhere.

Here's a couple links to check out.

http://www.theravitae.com/

And

http://www.vescell.com/

I had open heart surgery 14 months ago. Single bypass, mammary to lad
and I've had more than 40 intravenous chelation treatments since then
and plan on continuing with oral chelation and intravenous chelation
maintenence.

However I went for a check up 2 weeks ago. Carotids came back
slightly better than the last 2 check ups. Right femoral artery still
blocked 100% although amble flow remains because of collaterals. Left
leg is a different issue and while the ABI seemed "ok", the test did
show significant blockage in the left common illiac. A stent is
suggested as a fix.

Worst part is the call from the cardiologist with the stress test
results. Here they are:

Patient excercised 5 minutes 17 seconds on a Bruce protocol stopping
secondary to claudication and fatigue. He had no angina. Baseline
heart rate 79, maximum heart rate 151 reflecting 89% of age predicted
maximum. Baseline blood pressure 138/60, peak blook pressure 180/80.
Baseline O2 sat 96%, peak O2 sat 98%. The 12 lead ECG findings,
baseline ECG demonstrates normal sinus rythm. There is an incomplete
right bundle branch block present, non specific T-wave changes. Peak
stress ECG demonstrates no ichemic ST-T wave changes, no dysrythmia.

Scinigraphy Results: Review of the scintigraphy including short axis,
horizontal long axis vertical long axis imaging demonstrates a
moderately severe and moderately sized anteroapical perfusion
abnormality stress, which has full reversibility at rest. The gated
wall motion study demonstrates hypokinesis to the anteroapex and EF
of 53%. The resting first pass EF 50%.

Overall Impression:
1. Fair exercise capacity
2) Normal blood pressure and heart rate responsive to exercise
3. Abnormal perfusion consitent with ischemia in the anteroapical
distribution
4. Low normal left ventricular systolic function

After saying hello to me his next sentence was " I wish I had better
news for you. Thinks it's a failed bypass, NOT due to plaque and
blockage but wants me to do a heart cath to find out what's what and
to see if " hopefully we can fix it by either popping it open with
angioplast or helping me with medication".

I'm going for another stress test elsewhere although I don't
necessarily see the point.

I did ask him if this will get progressively worse and he indicated
that in his opinion it's as bad as it's going to get although over
time it will weaken my heart and that I need to limit any strenous
exercise, be on beta blockers etc.

I have in the meantime had 3 conversations with Therevitae in
Thailand and I am very open to pursuing stem cell treatment for my
PAD as well as heart issues. It's expensive but hey, oh well huh?

Anyone else look into stem cell treatment, have any opinions on the
above or have anything to post that we can all draw from?

Rgrds
Tom
Port Charlotte

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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* Statins and Aggressiveness
* Your Doctor and Statins
* Your Cholesterol is Low? Watch Out!
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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and add to the archive.

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Registration is worthwhile even if you do not post as each time you
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WTG Tom!...I just finished number 9 EDTA...Doing great. I was less
tired after this one.    Diane


-- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "mrtudo1955" <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I had Chelation number 35 today . Here's my weekly walking update.
>
> 3/21    4.2 Miles   1 Hr 39 Minutes
> 3/22    0
> 3/23    0
> 3/24    5.8 Miles   2 Hr 7 Minutes
> 3/25    0
> 3/26    2.0 Miles   47 Minutes
> 3/27    0
>
> Total:  12 Miles !
>
> I want to reiterate that I'm not breaking any speed records and
that
> I'm in some real pain at times on these walks. But the fact is I
> could not walk a block when all this started without HAVING TO STOP.
>
> I'll keep up with the chelation as long as my veins hold out. It
has
> become somewhat of an issue having scar tissue in a couple of my
> veins. I'll ask Dr Coy if I can go for 50, but not do from 40-50
> twice a week but maybe once a week for awhile and see what the
> results are.
>
> I hope to find this treatment in SE Asia however as when the
current
> bull market is over in my industry, my Wife and I would like to go
> back there...............
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
> Port Charlotte
>

I can tell you that red yeast rice does in fact lower cholesterol.
I lowered my over 100 points in less than 6 months using diet and ryr.
Go for it.    Diane


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, steve <dudescholar2@...>
wrote:
>
> Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?
>
> I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to
start the
> maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a
month if I
> want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been told
I can
> start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am
thinking
> about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal
experiences.
>
> It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol, decreases
LDL,
> increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that
I'm about
> to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast
rice so
> I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same
time.  I'm
> thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full
CBC/CMP for
> only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.
>
> --
>
> Steve - dudescholar2@...
>
> "Knowledge of the world has its roots in those who dare to be
different."
>    --Joje Reyes
>

On Thursday 30 March 2006 4:54 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> Holy Cow Steve,
>
>   You've having an adventure! They stented 98% blockages because of
> insufficient or no insurance. Hmmm. I had a single bypass, mammary to LAD
> just about 12 months ago. What is a stented natural bypass?
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom

I had grown a bypass (collateral) around the LAD and it had started to block. 
They spent about 80% of their radiation/dye time trying to stent the LAD and
gave up and tried to stent the collateral.  It opened up as wide as the LAD
should be.

My bill came out to about $93,000 for the two days of stenting work.  We
negociated it down to about $32,000.  The full bypass was going to be about a 
$250,000 operation.  As it was, I still think I was way overcharged because I
didn't have insurance.

On a side note, I did some research on medical tourism and checked out the
Apollo Hospital Group and Escorts Heart Institute in India where they have
world class facilities, a better mortality rate than top hospitals in the
USA, and US Board Certified doctors.  For about $15,000, one can get a full
bypass in a hospital room that like a high quality hotel room and have a
dedicated nurse around the clock - also the doctor spends quite a bit of time
with you instead of a few minutes a day.  The only downside is a trip to
India doesn't work for an emergency, but for stable heart issues its a very
good deal.  Some surgeries that are cutting edge are preformed
internationally while they remain unapproved by the FDA in the USA.  Hip
replacement surgery is a case in point.

http://www.ehirc.com/
http://www.apollohospitals.com/
http://medicaltourism.com/destinations.aspx
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=medical+tourism&btnG=Search

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.  Unreasonable people attempt
to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on
unreasonable people."
   --George Bernard Shaw

> steve <dudescholar2@...> wrote:
>   I had the 30 treatments over a about a 4+ month period.
>
> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 6:23 pm, mrtudo1955 wrote:
> > Hey Steve,
> >
> > You completed 30 treatments 6 weeks ago? Mind if I ask some
> > questions? This is intravenous chealtion I presume?
>
> Yes, this was EDTA IV Chelation.
>
> >  What were you
> > doing it for and have you noticed any changes/improvements?
>
> I had a heart attack in summer 2004.  The course of IV chelation was
> because I could see no down side (except time and money) and a potential
> upside.  I did not notice any improvement since I'm doing reasonably well.
> I don't have exercise intolerance, angina, etc. but I do have 4 stents, a
> blocked LAD that has a stented natural bypass, another partial blockage
> that wasn't dealt with. My blockages that were stented were 98% blocked.
> At the time of the heart attack, they wanted to do a full bypass but due to
> lack of insurance, using stents only was tried.  The upside was that while
> the blockages were very very significant, I have no heart damage, no health
> limits, and didn't receive a bypass operation.
>
> >Over
> > what time frame did you do the 30?
>
> Over about 4-5 months.  It was scheduled for 2 times a week but I often
> only got to the clinic once a week.
>
> > Rgrds
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, steve <dudescholar2@...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?
> > >
> > > I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to
> >
> > start the
> >
> > > maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a
> >
> > month if I
> >
> > > want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been
> >
> > told I can
> >
> > > start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am
> >
> > thinking
> >
> > > about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal
> >
> > experiences.
> >
> > > It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol,
> >
> > decreases LDL,
> >
> > > increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that
> >
> > I'm about
> >
> > > to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast
> >
> > rice so
> >
> > > I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same
> >
> > time.  I'm
> >
> > > thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full
> >
> > CBC/CMP for
> >
> > > only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Steve - dudescholar2@...

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On Thursday 30 March 2006 4:54 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> Holy Cow Steve,
>
>   You've having an adventure! They stented 98% blockages because of
> insufficient or no insurance. Hmmm. I had a single bypass, mammary to LAD
> just about 12 months ago. What is a stented natural bypass?
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom

I had grown a bypass (collateral) around the LAD and it had started to block.
They spent about 80% of their radiation/dye time trying to stent the LAD and
gave up and tried to stent the collateral.  It opened up as wide as the LAD
should be.

My bill came out to about $93,000 for the two days of stenting work.  We
negociated it down to about $32,000.  The full bypass was going to be about a
$250,000 operation.  As it was, I still think I was way overcharged because I
didn't have insurance.

On a side note, I did some research on medical tourism and checked out the
Apollo Hospital Group and Escorts Heart Institute in India where they have
world class facilities, a better mortality rate than top hospitals in the
USA, and US Board Certified doctors.  For about $15,000, one can get a full
bypass in a hospital room that like a high quality hotel room and have a
dedicated nurse around the clock - also the doctor spends quite a bit of time
with you instead of a few minutes a day.  The only downside is a trip to
India doesn't work for an emergency, but for stable heart issues its a very
good deal.  Some surgeries that are cutting edge are preformed
internationally while they remain unapproved by the FDA in the USA.  Hip
replacement surgery is a case in point.

http://www.ehirc.com/
http://www.apollohospitals.com/
http://medicaltourism.com/destinations.aspx
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=medical+tourism&btnG=Search

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.  Unreasonable people attempt
to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on
unreasonable people."
    --George Bernard Shaw

> steve <dudescholar2@...> wrote:
>   I had the 30 treatments over a about a 4+ month period.
>
> On Tuesday 28 March 2006 6:23 pm, mrtudo1955 wrote:
> > Hey Steve,
> >
> > You completed 30 treatments 6 weeks ago? Mind if I ask some
> > questions? This is intravenous chealtion I presume?
>
> Yes, this was EDTA IV Chelation.
>
> >  What were you
> > doing it for and have you noticed any changes/improvements?
>
> I had a heart attack in summer 2004.  The course of IV chelation was
> because I could see no down side (except time and money) and a potential
> upside.  I did not notice any improvement since I'm doing reasonably well.
> I don't have exercise intolerance, angina, etc. but I do have 4 stents, a
> blocked LAD that has a stented natural bypass, another partial blockage
> that wasn't dealt with. My blockages that were stented were 98% blocked.
> At the time of the heart attack, they wanted to do a full bypass but due to
> lack of insurance, using stents only was tried.  The upside was that while
> the blockages were very very significant, I have no heart damage, no health
> limits, and didn't receive a bypass operation.
>
> >Over
> > what time frame did you do the 30?
>
> Over about 4-5 months.  It was scheduled for 2 times a week but I often
> only got to the clinic once a week.
>
> > Rgrds
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, steve <dudescholar2@...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?
> > >
> > > I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to
> >
> > start the
> >
> > > maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a
> >
> > month if I
> >
> > > want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been
> >
> > told I can
> >
> > > start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am
> >
> > thinking
> >
> > > about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal
> >
> > experiences.
> >
> > > It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol,
> >
> > decreases LDL,
> >
> > > increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that
> >
> > I'm about
> >
> > > to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast
> >
> > rice so
> >
> > > I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same
> >
> > time.  I'm
> >
> > > thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full
> >
> > CBC/CMP for
> >
> > > only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Steve - dudescholar2@...

I had the 30 treatments over a about a 4+ month period.
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 6:23 pm, mrtudo1955 wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> You completed 30 treatments 6 weeks ago? Mind if I ask some
> questions? This is intravenous chealtion I presume?

Yes, this was EDTA IV Chelation.

>  What were you
> doing it for and have you noticed any changes/improvements?

I had a heart attack in summer 2004.  The course of IV chelation was because I
could see no down side (except time and money) and a potential upside.  I did
not notice any improvement since I'm doing reasonably well.  I don't have
exercise intolerance, angina, etc. but I do have 4 stents, a blocked LAD that
has a stented natural bypass, another partial blockage that wasn't dealt
with. My blockages that were stented were 98% blocked.  At the time of the
heart attack, they wanted to do a full bypass but due to lack of insurance,
using stents only was tried.  The upside was that while the blockages were
very very significant, I have no heart damage, no health limits, and didn't
receive a bypass operation.

>Over
> what time frame did you do the 30?

Over about 4-5 months.  It was scheduled for 2 times a week but I often only
got to the clinic once a week.

> Rgrds
> Tom
>
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, steve <dudescholar2@...>
>
> wrote:
> > Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?
> >
> > I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to
>
> start the
>
> > maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a
>
> month if I
>
> > want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been
>
> told I can
>
> > start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am
>
> thinking
>
> > about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal
>
> experiences.
>
> > It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol,
>
> decreases LDL,
>
> > increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that
>
> I'm about
>
> > to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast
>
> rice so
>
> > I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same
>
> time.  I'm
>
> > thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full
>
> CBC/CMP for
>
> > only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Steve - dudescholar2@...

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before."
   --Mae West

I had the 30 treatments over a about a 4+ month period.
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 6:23 pm, mrtudo1955 wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> You completed 30 treatments 6 weeks ago? Mind if I ask some
> questions? This is intravenous chealtion I presume?

Yes, this was EDTA IV Chelation.

>  What were you
> doing it for and have you noticed any changes/improvements?

I had a heart attack in summer 2004.  The course of IV chelation was because I
could see no down side (except time and money) and a potential upside.  I did
not notice any improvement since I'm doing reasonably well.  I don't have
exercise intolerance, angina, etc. but I do have 4 stents, a blocked LAD that
has a stented natural bypass, another partial blockage that wasn't dealt
with. My blockages that were stented were 98% blocked.  At the time of the
heart attack, they wanted to do a full bypass but due to lack of insurance,
using stents only was tried.  The upside was that while the blockages were
very very significant, I have no heart damage, no health limits, and didn't
receive a bypass operation.

>Over
> what time frame did you do the 30?

Over about 4-5 months.  It was scheduled for 2 times a week but I often only
got to the clinic once a week.

> Rgrds
> Tom
>
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, steve <dudescholar2@...>
>
> wrote:
> > Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?
> >
> > I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to
>
> start the
>
> > maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a
>
> month if I
>
> > want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been
>
> told I can
>
> > start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am
>
> thinking
>
> > about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal
>
> experiences.
>
> > It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol,
>
> decreases LDL,
>
> > increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that
>
> I'm about
>
> > to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast
>
> rice so
>
> > I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same
>
> time.  I'm
>
> > thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full
>
> CBC/CMP for
>
> > only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Steve - dudescholar2@...

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never
tried before."
    --Mae West

It is my understanding that removing amalgams from the teeth greatly decrease
mercury to the brain, face and body.  I had all my amalgams removed from my
teeth in 1987 - prior to that I had terrible TMJ problems.  Most of the TMJ (and
myofacial pain) went away after removal of the amalgams.

Mercury obviously crosses the blood brain barrier as do other heavy metals. 
Perhaps chelation would remove mercury from the brain.  You could check that
out.  Just an idea.

Best wishes and good luck.  Linda

  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "tedd" <tguenzel@...>

thanks Martin,
I heard about this but I was wondering if there is anything that
  take it directly out of the brain.
Thanks,
Tedd


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, <martinbolt@...> wrote:
>
> HI Tedd: The Norwegians, Danish and Swedish recently underwent an
> experiment.  Since they found very high for levels of mercury, a heavy
> metal, in their bloodstream. The researchers suspected these high
levels to
> be attributed to their heavy fish diet. The study demonstrated that
the half
> which drank 2-3 cups of strong tea per day had very low levels of
mercury
> while the other half exhibited extraordinarily high levels of
mercury. The
> tea used was ordinary black tea. Any tea will do, it doesn't have to be
> expensive, gourmet tea. I hope this information helps you.-Martin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tedd" <tguenzel@...>
> To: <chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:39 PM
> Subject: [chelationtherapy] Hg and the brain
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Does anybody know what can remove mercury from the brain?
> > Thanks,
> > Tedd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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HI Tedd: The Norwegians, Danish and Swedish recently underwent an
experiment.  Since they found very high for levels of mercury, a heavy
metal, in their bloodstream. The researchers suspected these high levels to
be attributed to their heavy fish diet. The study demonstrated that the half
which drank 2-3 cups of strong tea per day had very low levels of mercury
while the other half exhibited extraordinarily high levels of mercury. The
tea used was ordinary black tea. Any tea will do, it doesn't have to be
expensive, gourmet tea. I hope this information helps you.-Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: "tedd" <tguenzel@...>
To: <chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Hg and the brain


> Hi,
> Does anybody know what can remove mercury from the brain?
> Thanks,
> Tedd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hey Steve,

You completed 30 treatments 6 weeks ago? Mind if I ask some
questions? This is intravenous chealtion I presume? What were you
doing it for and have you noticed any changes/improvements? Over
what time frame did you do the 30?

Rgrds
Tom


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, steve <dudescholar2@...>
wrote:
>
> Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?
>
> I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to
start the
> maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a
month if I
> want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been
told I can
> start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am
thinking
> about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal
experiences.
>
> It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol,
decreases LDL,
> increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that
I'm about
> to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast
rice so
> I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same
time.  I'm
> thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full
CBC/CMP for
> only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.
>
> --
>
> Steve - dudescholar2@...
>
> "Knowledge of the world has its roots in those who dare to be
different."
>    --Joje Reyes
>

Hi All,

I had Chelation number 35 today . Here's my weekly walking update.

3/21    4.2 Miles   1 Hr 39 Minutes
3/22    0
3/23    0
3/24    5.8 Miles   2 Hr 7 Minutes
3/25    0
3/26    2.0 Miles   47 Minutes
3/27    0

Total:  12 Miles !

I want to reiterate that I'm not breaking any speed records and that
I'm in some real pain at times on these walks. But the fact is I
could not walk a block when all this started without HAVING TO STOP.

I'll keep up with the chelation as long as my veins hold out. It has
become somewhat of an issue having scar tissue in a couple of my
veins. I'll ask Dr Coy if I can go for 50, but not do from 40-50
twice a week but maybe once a week for awhile and see what the
results are.

I hope to find this treatment in SE Asia however as when the current
bull market is over in my industry, my Wife and I would like to go
back there...............

Rgrds
Tom
Port Charlotte

Hi,
Does anybody know what can remove mercury from the brain?
Thanks,
Tedd

Is anyone undergoing plaquex IV treatments?

I completed 30 EDTA IV sessions about 6 weeks ago and am about to start the
maintenance of 1-2 times a month.  My doc has approved 2 times a month if I
want of EDTA IV and I'll probably just do one.  I've also been told I can
start plaquex if I want (they use a generic alternative) and am thinking
about starting that soon.  I'd be interested in any personal experiences.

It is my understanding that plaquex improves cholesterol, decreases LDL,
increases HDL, and lowers homocysteine.  The only downside is that I'm about
to switch my statin drug from Provochol to standardized red yeast rice so
I'll be changing two parameters of my cholesterol at the same time.  I'm
thinking about going in for a cholesterol test every week (full CBC/CMP for
only $35) to keep a close watch for the next couple of months.

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

"Knowledge of the world has its roots in those who dare to be different."
    --Joje Reyes

Clinical Trials - Scripps Mercy Research Office - Dr Paul Phillips
Page down to the bottom of this email:
"Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy" - (TACT)

Cardiology
The following cardiac clinical trials are currently seeking
participants who meet enrollment criteria.

Scripps Review Process
Access and safety are our top priorities. A trial is first subject to
strict scientific review by our physicians. The trial is then
submitted to the Scripps Institutional Review Board (IRB) for
approval; the IRB is a group of volunteer members that includes
physicians, community leaders and other professionals. Potential trial
participants meet with their physicians to discuss the risks,
benefits, procedures, treatment plan and rights they have as research
participants. Patients must sign a consent form to enroll in a
clinical trial.

New study:

IMPOSTER 16    Enrolling now

Summary:  Dr Paul Phillips is looking for patients who develop muscle
complaints when they take a cholesterol-lowering pill. The study
involves 16 weeks of drug (8 weeks are placebo & 8 weeks are statin.)
Each person serves as their own control & they do several different
muscle tests, including a stationary bicycle.

Contact: Scripps Mercy Research Office 619 260-7178

TRITON
For patients with Acute Coronary Syndrome (chest pain) coming to the
hospital and going to the cath lab for diagnosis and intervention;
they would be randomized to receive the usual drug, clopidogrel
(Plavix) or a new drug, prasugrel to see which is more effective to
prevent problems over the next year. They would be followed closely
for a year watching for side effects since both drugs can cause
bleeding as they prevent any clot formation within the heart arteries.

Contact Information
Nancy Gray, RN
Cardiac Research Nurse
619 260-7178

IMPOSTER 16: Is Myopathy Part of Statin Therapy?
We want to enroll patients who have had complaints of muscle pain,
weakness or cramping while taking a statin medicine to lower their
cholesterol level. This is a 16 week study and for half the time (8
weeks) they will receive a cholesterol pill and for the other 8 weeks
it will be a sugar pill; none of us, except the pharmacist know the
order of the assignment. This study involves a muscle biopsy and
strength testing.

Contact Information
Nancy Gray, RN
Cardiac Research Nurse
619 260-7178

ENROLLING NOW - Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy
The NIH-sponsored Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy (TACT) is a
research study, which will test the effectiveness of chelation
therapy, an alternative therapy for the treatment of coronary heart
disease (CHD), for patients who have survived a heart attack. If you
participate in this study, you will receive 28 months of treatment,
and be asked to participate in up to 32 months of follow-up. To be
eligible to participate in TACT you must have had a heart attack, be
at least 50 years old, not be a recent smoker or have had chelation
therapy for at least five years. To find out more, contact Terry
Rogers, R.N., TACT study coordinator at Scripps Center for Integrative
Medicine, by phone at 858-554-3383 or by email at
rogers.terry@....

Source: http://www.scripps.org/Trials.asp?ID=3

Clinical Trials - Scripps Mercy Research Office - Dr Paul Phillips
Page down to the bottom of this email:
"Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy" - (TACT)

Cardiology
The following cardiac clinical trials are currently seeking
participants who meet enrollment criteria.

Scripps Review Process
Access and safety are our top priorities. A trial is first subject to
strict scientific review by our physicians. The trial is then
submitted to the Scripps Institutional Review Board (IRB) for
approval; the IRB is a group of volunteer members that includes
physicians, community leaders and other professionals. Potential trial
participants meet with their physicians to discuss the risks,
benefits, procedures, treatment plan and rights they have as research
participants. Patients must sign a consent form to enroll in a
clinical trial.

New study:

IMPOSTER 16    Enrolling now

Summary:  Dr Paul Phillips is looking for patients who develop muscle
complaints when they take a cholesterol-lowering pill. The study
involves 16 weeks of drug (8 weeks are placebo & 8 weeks are statin.)
Each person serves as their own control & they do several different
muscle tests, including a stationary bicycle.

Contact: Scripps Mercy Research Office 619 260-7178

TRITON
For patients with Acute Coronary Syndrome (chest pain) coming to the
hospital and going to the cath lab for diagnosis and intervention;
they would be randomized to receive the usual drug, clopidogrel
(Plavix) or a new drug, prasugrel to see which is more effective to
prevent problems over the next year. They would be followed closely
for a year watching for side effects since both drugs can cause
bleeding as they prevent any clot formation within the heart arteries.

Contact Information
Nancy Gray, RN
Cardiac Research Nurse
619 260-7178

IMPOSTER 16: Is Myopathy Part of Statin Therapy?
We want to enroll patients who have had complaints of muscle pain,
weakness or cramping while taking a statin medicine to lower their
cholesterol level. This is a 16 week study and for half the time (8
weeks) they will receive a cholesterol pill and for the other 8 weeks
it will be a sugar pill; none of us, except the pharmacist know the
order of the assignment. This study involves a muscle biopsy and
strength testing.

Contact Information
Nancy Gray, RN
Cardiac Research Nurse
619 260-7178

ENROLLING NOW - Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy
The NIH-sponsored Trial to Assess Chelation Therapy (TACT) is a
research study, which will test the effectiveness of chelation
therapy, an alternative therapy for the treatment of coronary heart
disease (CHD), for patients who have survived a heart attack. If you
participate in this study, you will receive 28 months of treatment,
and be asked to participate in up to 32 months of follow-up. To be
eligible to participate in TACT you must have had a heart attack, be
at least 50 years old, not be a recent smoker or have had chelation
therapy for at least five years. To find out more, contact Terry
Rogers, R.N., TACT study coordinator at Scripps Center for Integrative
Medicine, by phone at 858-554-3383 or by email at
rogers.terry@....

Source: http://www.scripps.org/Trials.asp?ID=3

Wow, where'd everybody go? Everyone feeling good? No more heart or
vascular issues?

Great!

Here's what I was able to walk this last week and I'm off to a good
week which started last night.


3/14   1.4 Miles    30 minutes
3/15   -----------------------
3/16   1.0 Miles    Didn't time it
        3.3 Miles    1 Hr 20 Minutes. Went out a 2nd time.
3/17   ------------------------
3/18   4.0 Miles    1 Hr 30 Minutes
3/19   ------------------------
3/20    .6

Weekly
Total   10.3 Miles

Not bad! Keep on truckin!

Tom
Port Charlotte

Not a bad week for walking. No records broken as we are still very
busy with the business but will make an effort in the new week to go
further than this week.

How are you all doing?

Rgrds
Tom
Port Charlotte


3/7     3.2 Miles    1 Hr 10 Minutes
3/8     2.0 Miles    43 Minutes
3/9     0
3/10    0
3/11    1.4 Miles    31 Minutes
3/12    1.1 Miles    22 Minutes

Total:  7.7 Miles

Going out for a walk. Ceeya later:)

Right On Gatorman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "coygator" <coygator@...>
To: <chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: [chelationtherapy] Re: Fwd: Caregiver Bill of Rights


> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, katatca@... wrote:
>>
>> I found this on the American Heart Association site, under the
> title of
>> Caregivers.
>>
>        ...and Who is the Giver of these rights? (jboy)
>>
>> Caregiver Bill of Rights
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To take care of myself. This is not an act of selfishness. It will
>> enable me to take better care of my loved one.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To seek help from others even though my loved one may object. I
>> recognize the limits of my own endurance and strength.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To maintain facets of my own life that do not include the person I
> care
>> for, just as I would if he or she were healthy. I know that I do
>> everything that I reasonably can for this person, and I have the
> right
>> to do some things for myself.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To get angry, be depressed and express other difficult emotions
>> occasionally.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To reject any attempt by my loved one (either conscious or
> unconscious)
>> to manipulate me through guilt, anger or depression.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To receive consideration, affection, forgiveness and acceptance
> from my
>> loved one for as long as I offer these qualities in return.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To take pride in what I am accomplishing and to applaud the courage
> it
>> sometimes takes to meet the needs of my loved one.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To protect my individuality and my right to make a life for myself
> that
>> will sustain me when my loved one no longer needs my full-time help.
>>
>> I have the right:
>> To expect and demand that as new strides are made in finding
> resources
>> to aid physically and mentally impaired persons in our country,
> similar
>> strides will be made toward aiding and supporting caregivers.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>
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>

Thats great Tom.  I wish I could get Pete to walk.   He will walk to the
mail box whish is about 8 trailers from us.  He has to stop on the way
back.  Then he gives up.  We had a good long talk last night.     Pete's
never been one to give up, and I guess hes in a very bad depressive
mood. And its lasted since his angeogram on 10/17/05.  I too have been
depressed seeing him depressed.
Pete's always been a happy go lucky kind of guy.  He always walked with
a skip and a hop.  And always had a weird sence of humor.  When he went
throu Chemo and radiation for cancer in Denver, he was the one
incuraging all the other patients.  He wouldn't let them be sad.  At
least not while they were at the hospital getting radiation and he was
there.
One day we were just coming into the hospital and one of the patients
was leaving.  He had prostate cancer and said he was stoping his
treatments.  He asked Pete how did he stay so happy and positive about
everything he was going throu?  Plus, make everybody else happy.
Becouse he was scared and he was going home.  The mans wife was with
him. And the man started crying.  Pete is a real sensitive person, and
people see this, so I think thats why he gets away with his weird sence
of humor.  Pete encouraged this man to continue his treatments and then
told this man that he was scared too.   But one way or another he was
going to beat it, the cancer.
The man came back a few days later and continued radiation only becouse
of Pete's honesty.
Now I don't know what to do.  I can't find a guy like Pete for Pete to
talk to. To encourage him.  Like he did with other people.
Last night we talked about that guy with the prostate cancer, and the
girl with the brain tumors, and everyone else.  And wondered if they
made it.
Some how I have to get throu to Pete on the smoking,  the walking.  And
to just do something.  Not just sit....
A few weeks ago our screen door broke.  A neighbor put another hinge on
it over the hinge.  Pete is a Type A Personality and it wasn't good
enough for him.  He got out his dril, charged it up, went to the store
and bought hinges, and spent the next 2 hours fixing it the way he
wanted it done.  He actually GOT UP and DID SOMETHING.....Now I guess I
have to BRAKE a few things around here so he has to fix them.
                               Hug's Karen



http://community.webtv.net/kalenka1/MYPLACE
http://community.webtv.net/katatca/BIRTHMOMSEARCHINGNY
http://community.webtv.net/petrabbit1/Bernadettesand

Not much walking this last week but broke a speed record! I finally got
past 3 mph and did it more than once although for less distance.
Tonight started the new week and walked a little more than 3 miles but
here's the weeks results not including tonight..

2/28   1.1 Miles  21 Minutes
3/02   1.1  "     22 minutes
3/03   1.1  "     19 Minutes !
3/04   1.6 Miles  36 Minutes

The new week will be back to at least a mile a day but will shoot for
more than that.

Are you all getting better? What are you doing to get well?

Rgrds
Tom

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <mrsdlw@...> wrote:
>
> And I wondered why my blood pressure dropped after this treatment.
I am
> normally 110/70. When my pressure was taken after treatment it was
> 80/60. I felt very woozy and lightheaded. I eat a good breakfast
before
> treatment and have a nutritious snack during. After a few minutes
it
> came up to 98/68. Wonder what causes that? Tom, do you know?
>
Diane,
      You have something called "adrenal fatigue".  The normal blood
pressure of 120/80 is not usually reached in this condition.  It
often follows years of stress of virtually any kind:  immune stress
due to chronic illness, such as allergies, all the way to those
things we usually consider to be "stress."  The low blood pressure
during your chelation probably had multiple causes, mostly associated
with general fatigue that day, having a full bladder or just emptying
one, some blood sugar adjustments associated with all of the above.
It is a condition familiar to many who practice alternative medical
therapies (that is, adrenal fatigue).  Seek assistance in this matter
specifically.

jboy