Tom,

It makes you wonder about these quacks. The article from the other
group basically said that iodine therapy was as effective as using
Amiodarone with OUT the life threatening side effects. I hope he is
enjoying the new Porchse I bought him. I wish he would have bought
a few books on nutritional supplements instead.

I found out you're not supposed to eat grapefruit with amiodarone
either. Of course, like most of the information I've learned about
my medications I had to research it and try to make sure
these 'doctors' didn't kill me. It is no wonder that people dying
from Adverse Reactions to Medication is the #4 killer in the US.

If we get 10 feet of snow, would it be alright if we camped out in
your backyard till June?

Warmest (18F) Regards from Tropical Ohio,
Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
> I wonder what the commission structure is on that one for the
prescribing MD ( ! )
>
> By the way, did you see upstate NY's ( Oswego had 10 feet )
snow? Makes y'all look almost tropical there in Ohio heheh
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
> Sunny Port Charlotte Fla
>
> gravelygarage <gravelygarage@...> wrote:
> I had stated in an earlier post that I thought that the
medication
> that I take with one of the listed possible side effects as Sudden
> Cardiac Death was Imdur.
>
> I was wrong. It is Amiodarone. You won't find that side effect
listed
> on all medication listing sites but on several. Also mentioned in
the
> iodine article in the Health_and_Healing group. Stays in your body
> for months. My Chelation doctor mentioned it takes a long time to
get
> weaned off of this one (months).
>
> Good Health to All,
>
> Jon
> Morrow, Oh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same
people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> TV dinner still cooling?
> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
>

Tom,

It makes you wonder about these quacks.  The article from the other
group basically said that iodine therapy was as effective as using
Amiodarone with OUT the life threatening side effects.  I hope he is
enjoying the new Porchse I bought him.  I wish he would have bought
a few books on nutritional supplements instead.

I found out you're not supposed to eat grapefruit with amiodarone
either.  Of course, like most of the information I've learned about
my medications I had to research it and try to make sure
these 'doctors' didn't kill me.  It is no wonder that people dying
from Adverse Reactions to Medication is the #4 killer in the US.

If we get 10 feet of snow, would it be alright if we camped out in
your backyard till June?

Warmest (18F) Regards from Tropical Ohio,
Jon


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
>   I wonder what the commission structure is on that one for the
prescribing MD ( ! )
>
>   By the way, did you see upstate NY's ( Oswego had 10 feet )
snow? Makes y'all look almost tropical there in Ohio heheh
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom
>   Sunny Port Charlotte Fla
>
> gravelygarage <gravelygarage@...> wrote:
>           I had stated in an earlier post that I thought that the
medication
> that I take with one of the listed possible side effects as Sudden
> Cardiac Death was Imdur.
>
> I was wrong. It is Amiodarone. You won't find that side effect
listed
> on all medication listing sites but on several. Also mentioned in
the
> iodine article in the Health_and_Healing group. Stays in your body
> for months. My Chelation doctor mentioned it takes a long time to
get
> weaned off of this one (months).
>
> Good Health to All,
>
> Jon
> Morrow, Oh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same
people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> TV dinner still cooling?
> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
>

I had stated in an earlier post that I thought that the medication
that I take with one of the listed possible side effects as Sudden
Cardiac Death was Imdur.

I was wrong. It is Amiodarone. You won't find that side effect listed
on all medication listing sites but on several. Also mentioned in the
iodine article in the Health_and_Healing group. Stays in your body
for months. My Chelation doctor mentioned it takes a long time to get
weaned off of this one (months).

Good Health to All,

Jon
Morrow, Oh

I had stated in an earlier post that I thought that the medication
that I take with one of the listed possible side effects as Sudden
Cardiac Death was Imdur.

I was wrong. It is Amiodarone.  You won't find that side effect listed
on all medication listing sites but on several.  Also mentioned in the
iodine article in the Health_and_Healing group.  Stays in your body
for months.  My Chelation doctor mentioned it takes a long time to get
weaned off of this one (months).

Good Health to All,

Jon
Morrow, Oh

Tom,

I'm sending you a couple of sled dogs in case the temperature drops
below 50.  I'd hate to see you get stuck out in those conditions!

You are exactly right.  It's about money.  Cardiac care is a $50
Billion a year business.  I got a get well card from my aunt.  On
the outside it says "The doctor said your operation was a great
success...." on the inside "The doctors new car arrives today, the
cruise begins next week, the new golf clubs are on order....Your
doctor is VERY pleased!"  That is all too true.

I'm most mad about not being told about options and about how they
won't consider working with you regarding supplements, etc.  I told
my doctor about side effects from Lipitor I was having, he said that
no studies have reported any serious side effects! Lipitor couldn't
be the reason for the muscle cramps, the sore rib cage, depression,
etc, etc.

I asked my doctor if I was in any danger of another heart attack. He
said Oh yea!  I asked what can I do to reduce my risk.  Not much was
his reply.  Good news is I don't have to worry about the low balance
in my 401K.  I asked about the 30 extra pounds I was
carrying. "Maybe, maybe not.  Main thing is don't smoke and take
your medication. Make another appointment on your way out. Thanks"

I've probably talked to the surgeon less than 20 minutes total.  The
cardiologist I like on a personal level.  We were both 'motor heads'
in our younger days. Maybe I just don't like the news he delivers.
Don't shoot the messenger kind of thing.

Well like he said at my last visit. I had not gotten any worse. Like
you I have good days and some not so good days.  I feel a tiny bit
better every pound I drop and every additional step on the tread
mill.  I hope the chelation helps with the angina and shortness of
breath.

One thing is for sure, our health is in our own hands.

I'm working on 'freeing myself' from western/convential medicine.

Till Later,
Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
>   BRRRR it's cold today. Y'all must be sending us a winter
present. It was 55 when I got up today and the high today is only
supposed to be 67! Freezing cold cold cold wowow!
>
>   The doctors are a full of crap and in it for the big money. I
went in to get the pain in my right leg checked. When I walked I got
what seemed to be a muscle spasm in my lower right calf. So I went
and had it checked. The asshole that I saw originally, ..........you
know that new commercial on tv on puerto rico where they snap their
fingers and say "Puerto Rico"! ? In retrospect that's what that guy
reminds me of cept instead of saying puerto rico, I could see him
saying "Fem-Pop" while snapping his fingers over and over again.
Well, a femoral popliteal is not a snap. Not to me anyway. He also
said "he doesn't do those any more, he only works on "veins". He
referred me to the cardio thoracic surgeon who ultimately did my (
and screwed it up ) bypass surgery.
>
>   Anyway, he ( the surgeon ) then referred me to the cardiologist
who did the heart cath. Young guy, smart obviously and I think he
has some integrity left.......
>
>   The surgeon on the other hand , well, at one point this jerk off
not only did the open heart on me, but wanted to have me check into
the hospital and get a bypass ( Fem-Pop ) in  my right leg, a stent
in my left leg ( a blockage that did not exist prior to meeting
this "fellow" ), AND a right carotid endartectomy ( sp ? ) all in
the same sitting. ! Even the cardiologist asked " He said that? "
when I told him about it and that, these things could not be done
like that, nor did I need them done! Now that was after he also
scared the crap out of us by showing me a dot in my right lung and
having me go for a PET scan while describing what doing a biopsy
would be like and an upper lobectomy if necessary. Yes, all at the
same time. Thank G-d I showed him that multi million dollar health
insurance card ahead of time huh? Otherwise he might have said I was
fine and to change my diet a bit haha.
>
>   Scuse my New Jersey Bluntness ( I'm not originally from Fla ya
know? ) but this surgeon could use a good ass beating and/or
lawsuit. Since I'm just a mild mannered coin dealer I called a big
law firm who had me fill out papers and such and got back to me
with "you have a good case". Only trouble is, that just like getting
involved with these doctors, you have to make a commitment when
getting into these types of lawsuits. They want to do another heart
cath and you better march over there and get it done. Want you to go
thru a barrage of new tests? Yup, you need to go. Etc etc etc.
>
>   The end result is we were told there's an issue ( buzzword of
the new millenium? ) when my heart is placed under stress. Even as a
layman I can see the differences in the pics from the nuclear part
of the stress test. I'll take his word for it that the "abnormal
flow" is in the same area as the bypass. Meanwhile I FEEL fine.  I
asked him if he thought it was a blockage and he said in his
opinion, No. He thinks the mammary is kinked a little or was a
little on the small side. He also sid we can do another heart cath
and maybe "pop it open with a balloon" if it's kinked. OR, treat it
with medicine LOL. "Treat" it with medicine?
>
>   The cardiologist I think is the best of the worst that I've had
the experience with. As Monty Hall would say in lets make a deal,
there's more, so much more but I think y'all get the point.
>
>   I asked him if he thought I was in imminent danger of a heart
attack or something like that and he said NO. He also said " I
wouldn't recommend breaking down a rock pile" but by all means,
excercise, walk, etc etc etc and that was that.
>
>   Meanwhile, while I can only walk a few miles at roughly 2 1/2
MPH, I can walk a few miles at 2 1/2 MPH! I RAN on the treadmill
last week before catching a flight to Raleigh NC. RAN. Had the
treadmill on number 8 and was RUNNING. Not far but was running.
>
>   No medication cept what I told you. Chelation every 2 weeks at
Dr Coys place ( see below ). I have good days, better days, and not
as good days. Such is life. Meanwhile the vampires are kept at bay .
>
>   I hope you are able to break free as well.
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> gravelygarage <gravelygarage@...> wrote:
>           Tom,
>
> I have to agree with you about doctors. We are conditioned thru
out
> life to listen to them unconditionally. Ask them a question and
> they quickly become defensive. It's not until they give you so
much
> conflicting 'advice' and/or your health deteriorates under their
> care do you start to question them.
>
> If you follow your current regiment of Chelation, exercise, diet
and
> supplements your blood and vessels should be pristene. Isn't the
> stem cell stuff they are doing to repair heart muscle. I might see
> you in Thailand. They tell me that mine was pretty damaged. When I
> came out of bypass surgery the surgeon told my family that there
was
> evidence of a heart attack prior to the one that hospitalized me
in
> May.
>
> Of course the western medical view is that heart damage can not be
> repaired. I am hoping to prove them wrong. I don't expect a
> perfect heart but some major improvement would be prayers answered.
>
> As far as the weather is concerned.....what size coat do you wear.
> I'll send you a coat down there ASAP. At 57 degrees we wouldn't
want
> you to suffer frost bite.
>
> Jon
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > Nah, they just went to chopping me open like an oyster. No
> stents and I'm frankly not real motivated to try those if I go
> negative. I think I'd prefer giving the stem cell treatment in
> Thailand a shot first.
> >
> > I do not have a high opinion of these doctors. I used to. I
> don't anymore.
> >
> > It was chilly here in S Fla you know. My Wife and I even wore
> sweatshirts tonight! I think it was down to 57 degrees! Yikes!
> >
> > Heheh
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > gravelygarage <gravelygarage@> wrote:
> > You are one lucky man. A low pill count and high outside
> > tempertures. It is 3 degrees outside right now! Our dog is
sitting
> > by the heater with his legs crossed. He said he was going to
hold
> > it until it warms up. Tom, did you ever have a stent or did you
go
> > straight to surgery?
> >
> > --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having
> > vascular problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg,
90%
> > blocked common illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a
little
> > brown paper bag for me . In it was samples of Toprol beta
> blockers,
> > plavix, lipitor and prescriptions for all of them.
> > >
> > > I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor
for
> > a couple of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle
> pains.
> > >
> > > I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my
Wife
> > and chelation Doc.
> > >
> > > That is it.
> > >
> > > Rgrds
> > > Tom
> > > Port Charlotte Fla
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same
people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>

Tom,

I have to agree with you about doctors. We are conditioned thru out
life to listen to them unconditionally. Ask them a question and
they quickly become defensive. It's not until they give you so much
conflicting 'advice' and/or your health deteriorates under their
care do you start to question them.

If you follow your current regiment of Chelation, exercise, diet and
supplements your blood and vessels should be pristene. Isn't the
stem cell stuff they are doing to repair heart muscle. I might see
you in Thailand. They tell me that mine was pretty damaged. When I
came out of bypass surgery the surgeon told my family that there was
evidence of a heart attack prior to the one that hospitalized me in
May.

Of course the western medical view is that heart damage can not be
repaired. I am hoping to prove them wrong. I don't expect a
perfect heart but some major improvement would be prayers answered.

As far as the weather is concerned.....what size coat do you wear.
I'll send you a coat down there ASAP. At 57 degrees we wouldn't want
you to suffer frost bite.

Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> Nah, they just went to chopping me open like an oyster. No
stents and I'm frankly not real motivated to try those if I go
negative. I think I'd prefer giving the stem cell treatment in
Thailand a shot first.
>
> I do not have a high opinion of these doctors. I used to. I
don't anymore.
>
> It was chilly here in S Fla you know. My Wife and I even wore
sweatshirts tonight! I think it was down to 57 degrees! Yikes!
>
> Heheh
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> gravelygarage <gravelygarage@...> wrote:
> You are one lucky man. A low pill count and high outside
> tempertures. It is 3 degrees outside right now! Our dog is sitting
> by the heater with his legs crossed. He said he was going to hold
> it until it warms up. Tom, did you ever have a stent or did you go
> straight to surgery?
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@>
> wrote:
> >
> > When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having
> vascular problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90%
> blocked common illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little
> brown paper bag for me . In it was samples of Toprol beta
blockers,
> plavix, lipitor and prescriptions for all of them.
> >
> > I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for
> a couple of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle
pains.
> >
> > I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife
> and chelation Doc.
> >
> > That is it.
> >
> > Rgrds
> > Tom
> > Port Charlotte Fla
> >

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
>   What is a plavix treatment?
>
Tom,

My chelation doctor has me alternating thru 3 different chelation
therapies.  Electrolyte Balancing, Plaquex and a Three Minute IV Push.

Here's the address to my doctor site describing each:

http://www.colecenter.com/therapies.html

Try to stay warm down there!

Jon

On Saturday 03 February 2007 10:42 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> Steve,
>
>   who the heck is sticking you with that needle and missing? This is an RN?
> I could get downright nasty over that if it happened on a regular basis.
>
>   The strange thing about the toprol is I NEVER had high blood pressure. In
> fact I border on LOW blood pressure. Generally speaking my bp runs around
> 115/70 something. First thing in the morning it's like 105/mid 60's. And
> this guy wanted me on beta blockers?
>
>   That was the start of my questioning of these guys.
>
>   What is a plavix treatment?

That was a typo - it should PlaqueX.  You should be able to google that one
and have it work.

>   What state are you in Steve?

Utah.

Steve

>   Rgrds
>   Tom
>
> steve <dudescholar3@...> wrote:
>           One comment on Toprol (beta blocker). A while back, I came across
> an article review on blood pressure lowering medications and how they
> affect all cause mortality. One would think that it would decrease
> mortality. The results were mixed. Some drugs only worked to decrease
> mortality when combined with other drugs. What stood out in the article was
> that Toprol decreased mortality in a very statistically significant way
> below that of a normal healthy population. In other words, people with
> cardiovascular problems who took toprol lived longer than people without
> cardiovascular problems. The average dosage of toprol was 200 mg/day. There
> is no way I could take 200 mg/day without my heart slooooooooowing way
> down. I manage my toprol intake depending on the level of stress in my life
> (and my blood pressure varies by the seasons) so that I keep a blood
> pressure of 115/75. That averages out to 75 mg/day of toprol xl for me. Ace
> inhibitors were additive in that when taken with a beta blocker, they
> improved mortality rates. I also take a small dosage of an ace inhibitor.
>
> Plavix caused lots bruising for me and I took it about a year. I now take
> 325 mg/day of asprin, a solution that has almost the same effect as plavix
> without the side effects or cost.
>
> I have 4 medicated stents placed after a heart attack. I went ahead and had
> chelation therapy, the 30 sessions, and am now taking about 1 a month
> maintenence and have had a total of 37. I also had 25 sessions of plavix
> therapy. I didn't notice anything from either EDTA or Plavix since I don't
> have angina but I figured it in as preventative insurance. What I don't
> like is when it takes them 2-3 times to get a vein or the needle pulls out
> slightly during the session and the EDTA goes in outside of the vein - boy
> is that painful.
>
> Steve
>
> On Saturday 03 February 2007 7:45 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> > When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having vascular
> > problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90% blocked common
> > illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little brown paper bag for me
> > . In it was samples of Toprol beta blockers, plavix, lipitor and
> > prescriptions for all of them.
> >
> > I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for a couple
> > of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle pains.
> >
> > I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife and
> > chelation Doc.
> >
> > That is it.
> >
> > Rgrds
> > Tom
> > Port Charlotte Fla
> >
> >
> >
> > Fran <sos.owner@...> wrote:
> > Jon wrote:
> > Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> > included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
> > days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am supposed to
> > wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
> >
> > Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
> > niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Hi Jon,
> >
> > This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
> >
> > Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase the
> > effects of these medications or may have increased side effects when
> > these drugs are given together.
> >
> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
> >
> > Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
> >
> > I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous ingredients.
> > If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the cause.
> >
> > Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including the
> > dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the others
> > and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> > summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> > Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I (and
> > her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> > induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> > body) cleared.
> >
> > Fran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same people
> > on the way down. Ralph Kramden
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
> > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

"A man with a new idea is a crank until he succeeds."
    --Mark Twain

Tom,

I have to agree with you about doctors.  We are conditioned thru out
life to listen to them unconditionally.  Ask them a question and
they quickly become defensive.  It's not until they give you so much
conflicting 'advice' and/or your health deteriorates under their
care do you start to question them.

If you follow your current regiment of Chelation, exercise, diet and
supplements your blood and vessels should be pristene.  Isn't the
stem cell stuff they are doing to repair heart muscle.  I might see
you in Thailand.  They tell me that mine was pretty damaged.  When I
came out of bypass surgery the surgeon told my family that there was
evidence of a heart attack prior to the one that hospitalized me in
May.

Of course the western medical view is that heart damage can not be
repaired.  I am hoping to prove them wrong.  I don't expect a
perfect heart but some major improvement would be prayers answered.

As far as the weather is concerned.....what size coat do you wear.
I'll send you a coat down there ASAP. At 57 degrees we wouldn't want
you to suffer frost bite.

Jon


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
>   Nah, they just went to chopping me open like an oyster. No
stents and I'm frankly not real motivated to try those if I go
negative. I think I'd prefer giving the stem cell treatment in
Thailand a shot first.
>
>   I do not have a high opinion of these doctors. I used to. I
don't anymore.
>
>   It was chilly here in S Fla you know. My Wife and I even wore
sweatshirts tonight! I think it was down to 57 degrees! Yikes!
>
>   Heheh
>
>   Tom
>
>
>
> gravelygarage <gravelygarage@...> wrote:
>           You are one lucky man. A low pill count and high outside
> tempertures. It is 3 degrees outside right now! Our dog is sitting
> by the heater with his legs crossed. He said he was going to hold
> it until it warms up. Tom, did you ever have a stent or did you go
> straight to surgery?
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@>
> wrote:
> >
> > When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having
> vascular problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90%
> blocked common illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little
> brown paper bag for me . In it was samples of Toprol beta
blockers,
> plavix, lipitor and prescriptions for all of them.
> >
> > I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for
> a couple of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle
pains.
> >
> > I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife
> and chelation Doc.
> >
> > That is it.
> >
> > Rgrds
> > Tom
> > Port Charlotte Fla
> >

One comment on Toprol (beta blocker). A while back, I came across an article
review on blood pressure lowering medications and how they affect all cause
mortality. One would think that it would decrease mortality. The results
were mixed. Some drugs only worked to decrease mortality when combined with
other drugs. What stood out in the article was that Toprol decreased
mortality in a very statistically significant way below that of a normal
healthy population. In other words, people with cardiovascular problems who
took toprol lived longer than people without cardiovascular problems. The
average dosage of toprol was 200 mg/day. There is no way I could take 200
mg/day without my heart slooooooooowing way down. I manage my toprol intake
depending on the level of stress in my life (and my blood pressure varies by
the seasons) so that I keep a blood pressure of 115/75. That averages out to
75 mg/day of toprol xl for me. Ace inhibitors were additive in that when
taken with a beta blocker, they improved mortality rates. I also take a
small dosage of an ace inhibitor.

Plavix caused lots bruising for me and I took it about a year. I now take 325
mg/day of asprin, a solution that has almost the same effect as plavix
without the side effects or cost.

I have 4 medicated stents placed after a heart attack. I went ahead and had
chelation therapy, the 30 sessions, and am now taking about 1 a month
maintenence and have had a total of 37. I also had 25 sessions of plavix
therapy. I didn't notice anything from either EDTA or Plavix since I don't
have angina but I figured it in as preventative insurance. What I don't like
is when it takes them 2-3 times to get a vein or the needle pulls out
slightly during the session and the EDTA goes in outside of the vein - boy is
that painful.

Steve

On Saturday 03 February 2007 7:45 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having vascular
> problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90% blocked common
> illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little brown paper bag for me .
> In it was samples of Toprol beta blockers, plavix, lipitor and
> prescriptions for all of them.
>
> I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for a couple
> of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle pains.
>
> I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife and
> chelation Doc.
>
> That is it.
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
> Port Charlotte Fla
>
>
>
> Fran <sos.owner@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jon wrote:
> Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
> days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am supposed to
> wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
>
> Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
> niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi Jon,
>
> This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
>
> Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase the
> effects of these medications or may have increased side effects when
> these drugs are given together.
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
>
> Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
>
> I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous ingredients.
> If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the cause.
>
> Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including the
> dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the others
> and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I (and
> her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> body) cleared.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same people on
> the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@basicmail.net

"We will either find a way, or make one."
--Hannibal Barca

You are one lucky man. A low pill count and high outside
tempertures. It is 3 degrees outside right now! Our dog is sitting
by the heater with his legs crossed. He said he was going to hold
it until it warms up. Tom, did you ever have a stent or did you go
straight to surgery?

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having
vascular problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90%
blocked common illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little
brown paper bag for me . In it was samples of Toprol beta blockers,
plavix, lipitor and prescriptions for all of them.
>
> I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for
a couple of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle pains.
>
> I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife
and chelation Doc.
>
> That is it.
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
> Port Charlotte Fla
>
>
>
> Fran <sos.owner@...> wrote:
> Jon wrote:
> Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
> days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am
supposed to
> wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
>
> Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
> niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi Jon,
>
> This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
>
> Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase
the
> effects of these medications or may have increased side effects
when
> these drugs are given together.
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
>
> Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
>
> I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous
ingredients.
> If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the
cause.
>
> Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including
the
> dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the
others
> and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I
(and
> her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> body) cleared.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same
people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
>

One comment on Toprol (beta blocker).  A while back, I came across an article
review on blood pressure lowering medications and how they affect all cause
mortality.  One would think that it would decrease mortality.  The results
were mixed.  Some drugs only worked to decrease mortality when combined with
other drugs.  What stood out in the article was that Toprol decreased
mortality in a very statistically significant way below that of a normal
healthy population.  In other words, people with cardiovascular problems who
took toprol lived longer than people without cardiovascular problems.  The
average dosage of toprol was 200 mg/day.  There is no way I could take 200
mg/day without my heart slooooooooowing way down.  I manage my toprol intake
depending on the level of stress in my life (and my blood pressure varies by
the seasons) so that I keep a blood pressure of 115/75.  That averages out to
75 mg/day of toprol xl for me.  Ace inhibitors were additive in that when
taken with a beta blocker, they improved mortality rates.  I also take a
small dosage of an ace inhibitor.

Plavix caused lots bruising for me and I took it about a year.  I now take 325
mg/day of asprin, a solution that has almost the same effect as plavix
without the side effects or cost.

I have 4 medicated stents placed after a heart attack.  I went ahead and had
chelation therapy, the 30 sessions, and am now taking about 1 a month
maintenence and have had a total of 37.  I also had 25 sessions of plavix
therapy.  I didn't notice anything from either EDTA or Plavix since I don't
have angina but I figured it in as preventative insurance.  What I don't like
is when it takes them 2-3 times to get a vein or the needle pulls out
slightly during the session and the EDTA goes in outside of the vein - boy is
that painful.

Steve


On Saturday 03 February 2007 7:45 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having vascular
> problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90% blocked common
> illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little brown paper bag for me .
> In it was samples of Toprol beta blockers, plavix, lipitor and
> prescriptions for all of them.
>
>   I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for a couple
> of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle pains.
>
>   I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife and
> chelation Doc.
>
>   That is it.
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom
>   Port Charlotte Fla
>
>
>
> Fran <sos.owner@...> wrote:
>           Jon wrote:
> Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
> days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am supposed to
> wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
>
> Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
> niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi Jon,
>
> This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
>
> Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase the
> effects of these medications or may have increased side effects when
> these drugs are given together.
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
>
> Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
>
> I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous ingredients.
> If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the cause.
>
> Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including the
> dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the others
> and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I (and
> her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> body) cleared.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same people on
> the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

"We will either find a way, or make one."
    --Hannibal Barca

You are one lucky man.  A low pill count and high outside
tempertures.  It is 3 degrees outside right now! Our dog is sitting
by the heater with his legs crossed.  He said he was going to hold
it until it warms up.  Tom, did you ever have a stent or did you go
straight to surgery?

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having
vascular problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90%
blocked common illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little
brown paper bag for me . In it was samples of Toprol beta blockers,
plavix, lipitor and prescriptions for all of them.
>
>   I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for
a couple of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle pains.
>
>   I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife
and chelation Doc.
>
>   That is it.
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom
>   Port Charlotte Fla
>
>
>
> Fran <sos.owner@...> wrote:
>           Jon wrote:
> Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
> days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am
supposed to
> wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
>
> Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
> niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi Jon,
>
> This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
>
> Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase
the
> effects of these medications or may have increased side effects
when
> these drugs are given together.
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
>
> Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
>
> I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous
ingredients.
> If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the
cause.
>
> Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including
the
> dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the
others
> and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I
(and
> her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> body) cleared.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same
people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
>
> ---------------------------------
> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
>

The cardio concoctions are NOT prescription but are purchased
through my new doctor.  One of them is an oral chelation and another
is Cardio-Plus which has C, E, Riboflavin, Niacin, B6, Selenium and
Potassium in it.  The oral chelation is called Essential Daily
Defense which was formulated by Dr Gordon if you are familiar with
him.

My new doc told me we'd have to make some adjustments but I didn't
think it would be this soon.

I went thru the Googling when I was on coumadin trying to find
supplements, food, TV programs, and music that didn't interact in
some way with coumadin.  Ok, I might be exagerating just a bit but
coumadin interfered with EVERYTHING.

I try not to make too many changes all at once.  The VERY best
change I made was getting off the Lipitor.  That was 3 weeks ago and
still have side effects but feeling SO much better.  I hope they
eventually go away.  The muscle cramps in the legs are better.

I'll put a call in to the doctor on Monday to see about adjusting
the dose of the isosorbide and maybe reducing the time I wear the
patch.

Thanks for all the help.  I read a little blurb on a website that
chelation and Linus Paulings vitamin C therapy won't work with a
medicated stent. I have a single medicated stent but it was bypassed
when I had surgery.  I also know that not everything you read on a
website is true.  I tried googling that but couldn't find anything
definitive that I could understand. Any thoughts?

Thanks again,
Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "Fran" <sos.owner@...>
wrote:
>
> Jon wrote:
> Supplements:  including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> included in some Cardio concoctions I take.  In the last couple of
> days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am
supposed to
> wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
>
> Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose?  It lets up when I skip the
> niacin.  I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi Jon,
>
> This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
>
> Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase
the
> effects of these medications or may have increased side effects
when
> these drugs are given together.
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
>
> Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
>
> I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous
ingredients.
> If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the
cause.
>
> Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including
the
> dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the
others
> and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I
(and
> her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> body) cleared.
>
> Fran
>

Jon wrote:
Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am supposed to
wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.

Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Jon,

This from MedlinePlus: Niacin

Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase the
effects of these medications or may have increased side effects when
these drugs are given together.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html

Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?

I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous ingredients.
If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the cause.

Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including the
dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the others
and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I (and
her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
body) cleared.

Fran

Jon wrote:
Supplements:  including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
included in some Cardio concoctions I take.  In the last couple of
days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am supposed to
wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.

Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose?  It lets up when I skip the
niacin.  I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Jon,

This from MedlinePlus: Niacin

Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase the
effects of these medications or may have increased side effects when
these drugs are given together.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html

Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?

I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous ingredients.
If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the cause.

Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including the
dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the others
and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I (and
her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
body) cleared.

Fran

Fran,

Thanks for the site info.  I have just recently started taking a
handful of supplements including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another
100mg included in some Cardio concoctions I take.  In the last
couple of days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am
supposed to wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.  Am I getting a nitro/niacin
overdose?  It lets up when I skip the niacin.  I guess I need a
prescription adjustment.

Thanks again,
Jon



--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "Fran" <sos.owner@...>
wrote:
>
> Jon wrote:
> I can't find the specific website but I am pretty sure the drug
that I
> take that list Sudden Cardiac Death as a possible side effect is
Imdur.
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> Here's the scoop on Imdur:
> http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/isomono2_ad.htm
>
> Rx List is a very good, comprehensive source presented in an easy
to
> read format.
>
> Some info under Side Effects:
> Cardiovascular: Angina pectoris, arrhythmias, atrial fibrillation,
> hypotension, palpitations, postural hypotension, premature
ventricular
> contractions, supraventricular tachycardia, syncope.
>
> Cardiovascular Disorders, General: Cardiac failure, hypertension,
> hypotension.
>
> Fran
>

Jon wrote:
I can't find the specific website but I am pretty sure the drug that I
take that list Sudden Cardiac Death as a possible side effect is Imdur.

Hi Jon,

Here's the scoop on Imdur:
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/isomono2_ad.htm

Rx List is a very good, comprehensive source presented in an easy to
read format.

Some info under Side Effects:
Cardiovascular: Angina pectoris, arrhythmias, atrial fibrillation,
hypotension, palpitations, postural hypotension, premature ventricular
contractions, supraventricular tachycardia, syncope.

Cardiovascular Disorders, General: Cardiac failure, hypertension,
hypotension.

Fran

Hi Tom,

Nice to meet you.  I heard that Plavix was required for 'just' a
year after the stents where implanted.  I can't find the specific
website but I am pretty sure the drug that I take that list Sudden
Cardiac Death as a possible side effect is Imdur.  I should learn to
use the bookmark/favorites button more effectively!

Other than expense I couldn't find a negative reason to NOT give
chelation a try.  At this point I am doing anything and everything I
can do to improve my odds.  My cardiologist has scared the crap out
of me almost everytime I see him.  I'd come home severely depressed
for days.  I asked him once how my long term outlook was and he
asked what I considered long term.  At the last visit he said he had
good news....I wasn't any worse!  HELLO, how about making me
BETTER!!!!

I'm down to 3 prescription cardiac meds as follows:

Amiodarone 200mg 1 X Daily
Imdur 30mg 1 X Daily
Metoprolol 12.5mg 2X Daily

I also take 81mg aspirin and the cardiologist had me on 40mg Lipitor
and a variable dose of coumadin but I don't take either of those
anymore under the care of my 'holistic' doctor.  However, including
vitamins and other supplements I take 40 pills a day.

It sounds like you're not too up on exercise.  I got religion about
it and diet now.  I'm trying to get from 212 down to 185.  I gained
almost 25 lbs over the summer and after bypass.  I kept gaining
weight until I stopped the Lipitor January 10th. Since then I have
dropped 10 lbs.

If I find the specific website(s) that listed SCD I'll post them
here.

Till Later,
Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ruley" <captntom@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jon, Hi Tom,
>
> Tom Ruley in Baltimore here. Welcome to the group Jon.
>
> Me: Age 55. Weight 184. Retired. I had a MI January '97. Three
angioplasties, eight stents, seven medicated.
>
> I have an exercise bike but I am rarely on it. I sit in front of
the computer all day and into the night. I spend some time on the
couch taking a nap or watching TV.
>
> Med regiment is:
>
> Morning;
> Ecotrin 325mg
> Norvasc 5mg
> Zetia 10mg
> Plavix 75mg
> Metoprolol 50mg
>
> Eve;
> Metoprolol 50mg, again
> Nexium 40mg
> Lipitor 40mg
> Remeron 30mg, sleeping pill and anti depressant
>
> Yee Ha!
>
> Tom P sent me a good book on Chelation. By the way Tom, thank you
very much for the book! I know you are concerned about me and want
to help.
>
> Jon, Tom and I have been friends since 1989.
>
> I haven't taken the chelation route yet.
>
> Regards all,
>
> Tom Ruley
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: gravelygarage
>   To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:43 AM
>   Subject: [chelationtherapy] Re: Cardiologist and Chelation
>
>
>   Hmmm, so bone chilling freezing weather doesn't sound
stimulating to
>   you? It's so cold out the dog says he'll learn to flush the
toilet
>   instead of going out!
>
>   Your improvement is very encouraging. I could do almost a mile
on
>   the tread mill but would get angina. I was getting angina
>   everyday. Muscle pain from the Lipitor, fatigue and depression
were
>   major hurdles that I still fight but not nearly as often.
>
>   I haven't had a cigerette since May 26, 06. Everytime I wanted
one I
>   just thought about how long the ambulance ride to the hospital
was.
>   I've changed my diet considerably, do the treadmill 5 days a
week
>   walking 2 minutes, running 2, and back and forth for about 18
>   minutes. I like the shadow boxing idea. I'm going to give that a
>   try.
>
>   I'll have to find the article on strength training again. I may
have
>   printed it off. I can't remember where the study was conducted.
>
>   I'm 48 and when I told the cardiologist that I didn't feel
$100,000
>   or even $10 better after the surgery he said it was surgery NOT
the
>   fountain of youth. After I had the surgery and found out it's
side
>   effects along with some of the medications side effects I got
mad.
>   100% of bypass patients suffer some type of brain damage! 35%
have
>   a lower IQ after bypass. I didn't have IQ to spare. Did anyone
>   mention that pre op? NO! I take one medication that one possible
>   side effect is Sudden Cardiac Death! That gives me peace of mind!
>
>   I have to agree that getting away from western medicine is the
>   safest route to go. I generally feel a lot better. I just
started
>   taking most of the supplements about 10 days ago and I think the
>   Niacin is giving me some arrythmia problems. I also wear a nitro
>   patch 12 hours a day so I might be OD'n on nitro/niacin. I'm
playing
>   around a little to see if I can solve the arrythmia issue. My
new
>   doctor says that we'll get me weaned off of as many prescription
>   drugs as possible.
>
>   I hope that all the lifestyle changes, the chelation therapy,
etc
>   let me feel like I don't have cardiac problems. It sounds like
the
>   combination has worked a miracle for you.
>
>   Jon
>
>   --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > LOL, trade locations? Sorry Jon haha.
>   >
>   > I couldn't walk 1/10th mile without a lot of pain and much
>   further than that, I'd be leaning against my Wife, just standing
>   there.......in pain for a little while.
>   >
>   > By the 10-12th intravenous session I walked a mile. No speed
>   records broken but a mile nonetheless. I've since walked as many
as
>   8 miles non stop. I believe it's been a combination of a changed
>   diet, the cigrarettes have now been gone for 2 years and 1
month,
>   the chelation, and steady walking and now I'm sort of shadow
boxing
>   while on the treadmill. Man was sore after doing that the first
>   time! But every time I'm on the treadmill I do that at least
part of
>   the time and I build up quite a sweat doing so.
>   >
>   > That article on strength training. Is that being reported by
an
>   MD in Wellington Fla?
>   >
>   > If you come to the west coast of Fla on vacation or to get
away
>   from Ohio for a while, there's a great place to get chelation
done
>   in Punta Gorda. Dr James Coy is the fellow who owns the clinic
and
>   he posts here from time to time although the whole forum has
been
>   quiet for a few months ( everyone's gotten well?? ). HIs website
is
>   http://www.naturalsolutionsmd.net
>   >
>   > I believe my overall health has improved despite the
>   cardiologist stating the bypass surgery has been a failure. Says
>   there's abnormal blood flow in the same place that the bypass
was
>   done. I cannot tell you how pleased I was to hear that ( I'm
being
>   extremly sarcastic about being happy ). I've made some phone
calls
>   and even filled out some papers on that one.
>   >
>   > I just don't see it, feel it. I feel fine. I think to get away
>   from these guys is a good thing. At my age ( 52 ), you look hard
>   enough for something wrong and you're bound to find it. We're
not
>   kids anymore.
>   >
>   > How do you feel overall?
>   >
>   > Tom
>   >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: gravelygarage

To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:43 AM

Subject: [chelationtherapy] Re: Cardiologist and Chelation

Hmmm, so bone chilling freezing weather doesn't sound stimulating to
you? It's so cold out the dog says he'll learn to flush the toilet
instead of going out!

Your improvement is very encouraging. I could do almost a mile on
the tread mill but would get angina. I was getting angina
everyday. Muscle pain from the Lipitor, fatigue and depression were
major hurdles that I still fight but not nearly as often.

I haven't had a cigerette since May 26, 06. Everytime I wanted one I
just thought about how long the ambulance ride to the hospital was.
I've changed my diet considerably, do the treadmill 5 days a week
walking 2 minutes, running 2, and back and forth for about 18
minutes. I like the shadow boxing idea. I'm going to give that a
try.

I'll have to find the article on strength training again. I may have
printed it off. I can't remember where the study was conducted.

I'm 48 and when I told the cardiologist that I didn't feel $100,000
or even $10 better after the surgery he said it was surgery NOT the
fountain of youth. After I had the surgery and found out it's side
effects along with some of the medications side effects I got mad.
100% of bypass patients suffer some type of brain damage! 35% have
a lower IQ after bypass. I didn't have IQ to spare. Did anyone
mention that pre op? NO! I take one medication that one possible
side effect is Sudden Cardiac Death! That gives me peace of mind!

I have to agree that getting away from western medicine is the
safest route to go. I generally feel a lot better. I just started
taking most of the supplements about 10 days ago and I think the
Niacin is giving me some arrythmia problems. I also wear a nitro
patch 12 hours a day so I might be OD'n on nitro/niacin. I'm playing
around a little to see if I can solve the arrythmia issue. My new
doctor says that we'll get me weaned off of as many prescription
drugs as possible.

I hope that all the lifestyle changes, the chelation therapy, etc
let me feel like I don't have cardiac problems. It sounds like the
combination has worked a miracle for you.

Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> LOL, trade locations? Sorry Jon haha.
>
> I couldn't walk 1/10th mile without a lot of pain and much
further than that, I'd be leaning against my Wife, just standing
there.......in pain for a little while.
>
> By the 10-12th intravenous session I walked a mile. No speed
records broken but a mile nonetheless. I've since walked as many as
8 miles non stop. I believe it's been a combination of a changed
diet, the cigrarettes have now been gone for 2 years and 1 month,
the chelation, and steady walking and now I'm sort of shadow boxing
while on the treadmill. Man was sore after doing that the first
time! But every time I'm on the treadmill I do that at least part of
the time and I build up quite a sweat doing so.
>
> That article on strength training. Is that being reported by an
MD in Wellington Fla?
>
> If you come to the west coast of Fla on vacation or to get away
from Ohio for a while, there's a great place to get chelation done
in Punta Gorda. Dr James Coy is the fellow who owns the clinic and
he posts here from time to time although the whole forum has been
quiet for a few months ( everyone's gotten well?? ). HIs website is
http://www.naturalsolutionsmd.net
>
> I believe my overall health has improved despite the
cardiologist stating the bypass surgery has been a failure. Says
there's abnormal blood flow in the same place that the bypass was
done. I cannot tell you how pleased I was to hear that ( I'm being
extremly sarcastic about being happy ). I've made some phone calls
and even filled out some papers on that one.
>
> I just don't see it, feel it. I feel fine. I think to get away
from these guys is a good thing. At my age ( 52 ), you look hard
enough for something wrong and you're bound to find it. We're not
kids anymore.
>
> How do you feel overall?
>
> Tom
>

----- Original Message -----

From: gravelygarage

To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:43 AM

Subject: [chelationtherapy] Re: Cardiologist and Chelation

Hmmm, so bone chilling freezing weather doesn't sound stimulating to
you? It's so cold out the dog says he'll learn to flush the toilet
instead of going out!

Your improvement is very encouraging. I could do almost a mile on
the tread mill but would get angina. I was getting angina
everyday. Muscle pain from the Lipitor, fatigue and depression were
major hurdles that I still fight but not nearly as often.

I haven't had a cigerette since May 26, 06. Everytime I wanted one I
just thought about how long the ambulance ride to the hospital was.
I've changed my diet considerably, do the treadmill 5 days a week
walking 2 minutes, running 2, and back and forth for about 18
minutes. I like the shadow boxing idea. I'm going to give that a
try.

I'll have to find the article on strength training again. I may have
printed it off. I can't remember where the study was conducted.

I'm 48 and when I told the cardiologist that I didn't feel $100,000
or even $10 better after the surgery he said it was surgery NOT the
fountain of youth. After I had the surgery and found out it's side
effects along with some of the medications side effects I got mad.
100% of bypass patients suffer some type of brain damage! 35% have
a lower IQ after bypass. I didn't have IQ to spare. Did anyone
mention that pre op? NO! I take one medication that one possible
side effect is Sudden Cardiac Death! That gives me peace of mind!

I have to agree that getting away from western medicine is the
safest route to go. I generally feel a lot better. I just started
taking most of the supplements about 10 days ago and I think the
Niacin is giving me some arrythmia problems. I also wear a nitro
patch 12 hours a day so I might be OD'n on nitro/niacin. I'm playing
around a little to see if I can solve the arrythmia issue. My new
doctor says that we'll get me weaned off of as many prescription
drugs as possible.

I hope that all the lifestyle changes, the chelation therapy, etc
let me feel like I don't have cardiac problems. It sounds like the
combination has worked a miracle for you.

Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> LOL, trade locations? Sorry Jon haha.
>
> I couldn't walk 1/10th mile without a lot of pain and much
further than that, I'd be leaning against my Wife, just standing
there.......in pain for a little while.
>
> By the 10-12th intravenous session I walked a mile. No speed
records broken but a mile nonetheless. I've since walked as many as
8 miles non stop. I believe it's been a combination of a changed
diet, the cigrarettes have now been gone for 2 years and 1 month,
the chelation, and steady walking and now I'm sort of shadow boxing
while on the treadmill. Man was sore after doing that the first
time! But every time I'm on the treadmill I do that at least part of
the time and I build up quite a sweat doing so.
>
> That article on strength training. Is that being reported by an
MD in Wellington Fla?
>
> If you come to the west coast of Fla on vacation or to get away
from Ohio for a while, there's a great place to get chelation done
in Punta Gorda. Dr James Coy is the fellow who owns the clinic and
he posts here from time to time although the whole forum has been
quiet for a few months ( everyone's gotten well?? ). HIs website is
http://www.naturalsolutionsmd.net
>
> I believe my overall health has improved despite the
cardiologist stating the bypass surgery has been a failure. Says
there's abnormal blood flow in the same place that the bypass was
done. I cannot tell you how pleased I was to hear that ( I'm being
extremly sarcastic about being happy ). I've made some phone calls
and even filled out some papers on that one.
>
> I just don't see it, feel it. I feel fine. I think to get away
from these guys is a good thing. At my age ( 52 ), you look hard
enough for something wrong and you're bound to find it. We're not
kids anymore.
>
> How do you feel overall?
>
> Tom
>

Hmmm, so bone chilling freezing weather doesn't sound stimulating to
you?  It's so cold out the dog says he'll learn to flush the toilet
instead of going out!

Your improvement is very encouraging. I could do almost a mile on
the tread mill but would get angina.  I was getting angina
everyday.  Muscle pain from the Lipitor, fatigue and depression were
major hurdles that I still fight but not nearly as often.

I haven't had a cigerette since May 26, 06. Everytime I wanted one I
just thought about how long the ambulance ride to the hospital was.
I've changed my diet considerably, do the treadmill 5 days a week
walking 2 minutes, running 2, and back and forth for about 18
minutes.  I like the shadow boxing idea. I'm going to give that a
try.

I'll have to find the article on strength training again. I may have
printed it off.  I can't remember where the study was conducted.

I'm 48 and when I told the cardiologist that I didn't feel $100,000
or even $10 better after the surgery he said it was surgery NOT the
fountain of youth. After I had the surgery and found out it's side
effects along with some of the medications side effects I got mad.
100% of bypass patients suffer some type of brain damage!  35% have
a lower IQ after bypass.  I didn't have IQ to spare.  Did anyone
mention that pre op? NO! I take one medication that one possible
side effect is Sudden Cardiac Death! That gives me peace of mind!

I have to agree that getting away from western medicine is the
safest route to go. I generally feel a lot better.  I just started
taking most of the supplements about 10 days ago and I think the
Niacin is giving me some arrythmia problems.  I also wear a nitro
patch 12 hours a day so I might be OD'n on nitro/niacin. I'm playing
around a little to see if I can solve the arrythmia issue.  My new
doctor says that we'll get me weaned off of as many prescription
drugs as possible.

I hope that all the lifestyle changes, the chelation therapy, etc
let me feel like I don't have cardiac problems.  It sounds like the
combination has worked a miracle for you.

Jon


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> LOL, trade locations? Sorry Jon haha.
>
>   I couldn't walk 1/10th mile without a lot of pain and much
further than that, I'd be leaning against my Wife, just standing
there.......in pain for a little while.
>
>   By the 10-12th intravenous session I walked a mile. No speed
records broken but a mile nonetheless. I've since walked as many as
8 miles non stop. I believe it's been a combination of a changed
diet, the cigrarettes have now been gone for 2 years and 1 month,
the chelation, and steady walking and now I'm sort of shadow boxing
while on the treadmill. Man was sore after doing that the first
time! But every time I'm on the treadmill I do that at least part of
the time and I build up quite a sweat doing so.
>
>   That article on strength training. Is that being reported by an
MD in Wellington Fla?
>
>   If you come to the west coast of Fla on vacation or to get away
from Ohio for a while, there's a great place to get chelation done
in Punta Gorda. Dr James Coy is the fellow who owns the clinic and
he posts here from time to time although the whole forum has been
quiet for a few months ( everyone's gotten well?? ). HIs website is
http://www.naturalsolutionsmd.net
>
>   I believe my overall health has improved despite the
cardiologist stating the bypass surgery has been a failure. Says
there's abnormal blood flow in the same place that the bypass was
done. I cannot tell you how pleased I was to hear that ( I'm being
extremly sarcastic about being happy ). I've made some phone calls
and even filled out some papers on that one.
>
>   I just don't see it, feel it. I feel fine. I think to get away
from these guys is a good thing. At my age ( 52 ), you look hard
enough for something wrong and you're bound to find it. We're not
kids anymore.
>
>   How do you feel overall?
>
>   Tom
>

Tom,

I was in the Navy so I thought that I had my adventure behind me.
LOL. You know as hard as it has been on me it has been even more
difficult on my family. I couldn't imagine going through this alone.

If I understand you correctly, chelation has helped you? How long
did it take before you started noticing improvements? What type of
reaction did your cardiologist have when you told him you were going
thru celation treatments?

Thanks for the web addresses. I've read a few articles in the past
about the stem cell therapy. From what I have read it looks very
promising. I have a niece that does some kind of research related
to stem cells . The next time I see her I was going to ask her what
she knows about it. Of course, she has been talking way over my
head since she was 11 or 12.

They say that EF's above 50 are considered adequate with, I think,
ideal being 70%. I've read that chelation improves this as well as
supplements and in one article/study that I read they said that
strenght training (weight training) can improve EF by up to 14%.

The medicated stent is still in place but 'is not being used'.

I think that the best therapy would be to get away from this Ohio
winter. It is supposed to be 0 Sunday night with a high of 6 on
Monday. Would you consider trading locations??

Till Later,
Jon
Morrow, Oh

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
> Quite an adventure eh? I hope the chelation has positive effects
for you. I've had more than 50 sessions thus far, and I started
after having a single bypass, mammary to lad. I've had great success
with my walking distances.
>
> Have you looked into stem cell therapy? I'm looking at it as a
possible "in the future" kind of thing. There's a couple of websites
I can refer you to, http://www.theravitae.com and
http://www.vescell.com It appears that they are having some real
successes with this therapy. It's in Thailand.
>
> How low is an EF of 35 ? Above 55 is normal, right? Therefore 35
is not too too bad ??? Mine was 51. The medicated stent is still in
your artery??
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
> Port Charlotte, Fl
>

Tom,

I was in the Navy so I thought that I had my adventure behind me.
LOL.  You know as hard as it has been on me it has been even more
difficult on my family.  I couldn't imagine going through this alone.

If I understand you correctly, chelation has helped you?  How long
did it take before you started noticing improvements?  What type of
reaction did your cardiologist have when you told him you were going
thru celation treatments?

Thanks for the web addresses.  I've read a few articles in the past
about the stem cell therapy.  From what I have read it looks very
promising.  I have a niece that does some kind of research related
to stem cells . The next time I see her I was going to ask her what
she knows about it.  Of course, she has been talking way over my
head since she was 11 or 12.

They say that EF's above 50 are considered adequate with, I think,
ideal being 70%.  I've read that chelation improves this as well as
supplements and in one article/study that I read they said that
strenght training (weight training) can improve EF by up to 14%.

The medicated stent is still in place but 'is not being used'.

I think that the best therapy would be to get away from this Ohio
winter.  It is supposed to be 0 Sunday night with a high of 6 on
Monday.  Would you consider trading locations??

Till Later,
Jon
Morrow, Oh

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, Mr Tudo <mrtudo1955@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
>   Quite an adventure eh? I hope the chelation has positive effects
for you. I've had more than 50 sessions thus far, and I started
after having a single bypass, mammary to lad. I've had great success
with my walking distances.
>
>   Have you looked into stem cell therapy? I'm looking at it as a
possible "in the future" kind of thing. There's a couple of websites
I can refer you to, http://www.theravitae.com  and
http://www.vescell.com  It appears that they are having some real
successes with this therapy. It's in Thailand.
>
>   How low is an EF of 35 ? Above 55 is normal, right? Therefore 35
is not too too bad ??? Mine was 51. The medicated stent is still in
your artery??
>
>   Rgrds
>   Tom
>   Port Charlotte, Fl
>

Tom,

I answered you yesterday morning but my reply never showed up so if
two happen to appear that is why.

I had a heart attack May 26, 06 and got a medicated stent put in
that day and was told that I had blockages that were too severe to
be stented. About all I knew was that they told me that my EF < 20%
and that I needed bypass as soon as I could get off the Plavix they
had me on for the stent.

Before the surgery I asked my cardiologist about chelation and he
told me he didn't know much about it but that it was not proven to
be beneficial for cardiac problems.

I had a triple bypass on Sept 8 and had some 'electrical' problems
that kept me in the hospital for a few extra days. One of the
bypasses was around the stent. Within 6 weeks I was getting angina
again. They started talking about stenting the bypass!

I have learned that my EF is about 35%, my LV has some damage and is
dilated. I have arrythmia.

At my last cardio appointment I had an echo and was told the good
news was I wasn't getting worse and to learn to live with how I
felt. My cardiologist has told me that his education is with drugs,
angioplasty, etc. Not chelation, supplements, yoga, diet, etc.

Since getting off of Lipitor and taking supplements I have felt much
better, have increased my speed and distance on the treadmill and
have a better attitude.

I take oral chelation daily and have had 2 IV chelation treatments
so far.

I'm just not sure what to tell the cardiologist (if anything) since
we have gone round and round regarding non prescription, non
invasive treatments.

I live outside of Cincinnati.

Thanks,
Jon

--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "mrtudo1955"
<mrtudo1955@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
> Welcome and hope you don't mind some questions. Why are you seeing
a
> cardiologist every 2 months? What's the situation with your heart
and
> vascular ?
>
> What state are you in?
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
>
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "gravelygarage"
> <gravelygarage@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello group,
> >
> > I am just beginning Chelation therapy to help with my heart
> condition
> > (s). My cardiologist doesn't think much of supplements let
alone
> > Chelation. My question is .... what should I tell him at my
next
> > appointment. My 'new' doctor has me on supplements and off of
> Lipitor
> > and coumadin. I still take some other prescription cardio meds.
I
> > feel better, much better as a matter of fact but at my last
cardio
> > appoint I asked about getting off of Lipitor and coumadin and
was
> told
> > no. Is it possible that my holistic doctor and cardiologist can
> work
> > together? Or is it usually a matter of one OR the other?
Another
> > question.....after chelation should I be seeing my cardiologist
> much
> > less frequently? Currently I see him every other month.
> >
> > Thanks for any input,
> > Jon
> >
>

Tom,

I answered you yesterday morning but my reply never showed up so if
two happen to appear that is why.

I had a heart attack May 26, 06 and got a medicated stent put in
that day and was told that I had blockages that were too severe to
be stented.  About all I knew was that they told me that my EF < 20%
and that I needed bypass as soon as I could get off the Plavix they
had me on for the stent.

Before the surgery I asked my cardiologist about chelation and he
told me he didn't know much about it but that it was not proven to
be beneficial for cardiac problems.

I had a triple bypass on Sept 8 and had some 'electrical' problems
that kept me in the hospital for a few extra days.  One of the
bypasses was around the stent. Within 6 weeks I was getting angina
again.  They started talking about stenting the bypass!

I have learned that my EF is about 35%, my LV has some damage and is
dilated.  I have arrythmia.

At my last cardio appointment I had an echo and was told the good
news was I wasn't getting worse and to learn to live with how I
felt. My cardiologist has told me that his education is with drugs,
angioplasty, etc.  Not chelation, supplements, yoga, diet, etc.

Since getting off of Lipitor and taking supplements I have felt much
better, have increased my speed and distance on the treadmill and
have a better attitude.

I take oral chelation daily and have had 2 IV chelation treatments
so far.

I'm just not sure what to tell the cardiologist (if anything) since
we have gone round and round regarding non prescription, non
invasive treatments.

I live outside of Cincinnati.

Thanks,
Jon



--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "mrtudo1955"
<mrtudo1955@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jon,
>
> Welcome and hope you don't mind some questions. Why are you seeing
a
> cardiologist every 2 months? What's the situation with your heart
and
> vascular ?
>
> What state are you in?
>
> Rgrds
> Tom
>
>
> --- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "gravelygarage"
> <gravelygarage@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello group,
> >
> > I am just beginning Chelation therapy to help with my heart
> condition
> > (s).  My cardiologist doesn't think much of supplements let
alone
> > Chelation.  My question is .... what should I tell him at my
next
> > appointment.  My 'new' doctor has me on supplements and off of
> Lipitor
> > and coumadin.  I still take some other prescription cardio meds.
I
> > feel better, much better as a matter of fact but at my last
cardio
> > appoint I asked about getting off of Lipitor and coumadin and
was
> told
> > no.  Is it possible that my holistic doctor and cardiologist can
> work
> > together?  Or is it usually a matter of one OR the other?
Another
> > question.....after chelation should I be seeing my cardiologist
> much
> > less frequently?  Currently I see him every other month.
> >
> > Thanks for any input,
> > Jon
> >
>

Hey Jon,

Welcome and hope you don't mind some questions. Why are you seeing a
cardiologist every 2 months? What's the situation with your heart and
vascular ?

What state are you in?

Rgrds
Tom


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, "gravelygarage"
<gravelygarage@...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>
> I am just beginning Chelation therapy to help with my heart
condition
> (s).  My cardiologist doesn't think much of supplements let alone
> Chelation.  My question is .... what should I tell him at my next
> appointment.  My 'new' doctor has me on supplements and off of
Lipitor
> and coumadin.  I still take some other prescription cardio meds. I
> feel better, much better as a matter of fact but at my last cardio
> appoint I asked about getting off of Lipitor and coumadin and was
told
> no.  Is it possible that my holistic doctor and cardiologist can
work
> together?  Or is it usually a matter of one OR the other?  Another
> question.....after chelation should I be seeing my cardiologist
much
> less frequently?  Currently I see him every other month.
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Jon
>

Hello group,

I am just beginning Chelation therapy to help with my heart condition
(s).  My cardiologist doesn't think much of supplements let alone
Chelation.  My question is .... what should I tell him at my next
appointment.  My 'new' doctor has me on supplements and off of Lipitor
and coumadin.  I still take some other prescription cardio meds. I
feel better, much better as a matter of fact but at my last cardio
appoint I asked about getting off of Lipitor and coumadin and was told
no.  Is it possible that my holistic doctor and cardiologist can work
together?  Or is it usually a matter of one OR the other?  Another
question.....after chelation should I be seeing my cardiologist much
less frequently?  Currently I see him every other month.

Thanks for any input,
Jon

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