http://www.vescell.com publishes some of their patients , some of whom you can request contact information and speak with them directly.

I will not allow these fuckers in the US to chop be open again. I will absolutely fly to LOS and give this a shot before ever stepping foot in a place like charlotte country medical centers cardiac care.......at least I won't do it voluntarily.

And yes I DID have a meeting with lawyers over what they failed to do there and yes the lawyers said I have a case. But for me to proceed I would have to endure more of the b/s that the establishment has to dish out and I'm not about to do that.

Plus, I've had such great results with Chelation Therapy , there's no reason to even consider it at this time ( stem cells ).

Now if that changes, I'm calling Cathay Pacific.

What surprises me, if that the stem cell treatment is available in Thailand but other than one fellow in northern Thailand, ( Chiang Mai ), I can't find chelation therapy. Why? ( I can't  find and answer to that question either )

Tom

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, coygators@... <coygators@...> wrote:

From: coygators@... <coygators@...>
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] New source of heart stem cells found: study
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 8:31 AM

Thank you, Steve.

I would like to see some science and follw-up and documentation.  Your report sounds promising, as does every other therapy before it is brought into the light of day.  The well-known story of chelation therapy in cardiovascular disease which started with promising research only to be suppressed, even now 50 long years later, by competing interests.

Right now "Stem Cells" has rock star status.  But what is it all about behind the cameras?

Dr. J


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve <dudescholar4@ basicmail. net>
To: chelationtherapy@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 2:47 am
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] New source of heart stem cells found: study

Stem cells are having positive results but the procedure is not
available in the USA except for a very few research studies, and then
one takes their chances because they might be in the placebo arm of the
study.

Nevertheless, outside the USA, stem cell procedures are available. I
know that they available in Turkey and Thailand and most likely India
and other countries. In Thailand, people are wheeled into the 5 star
hotel quality hospital and walk out under their own power after the
procedure and some recuperation. One pays 5-20 percent of the cost of
equivalent procedures when compared to the USA. It is always cheaper to
pay to fly to thailand and have work done than to get the same procured
done in the USA if one doesn't have insurance. If one has a 20% copay,
it can still be cheaper to fly to Thailand and pay the full cost oneself.

Steve

coygators@aol. com wrote:
>
>
> It is interesting to me that all the fuss about stem cells sounds a lot
> like the fuss about vaccinations. All hype and little substance, and
> that substance distorted beyond recognition.
>
> Heart muscle will generate if there is adequate blood supply and nothing
> around to poison the process. Chelation therapy, of course, provides
> help in both areas. First, it has multiple effects which improve
> circulation to the whole heart, not just sections; AND it removes
> poisons, like mercury, which is found at autopsy in people who had
> congestive heart failure or cardiomyopathy. With improved circulation
> and reduced poisons (and regular aerobic exercise) we get more heart
> muscle(s).
>
> Still, with all the marketing, the companies who dabble in these schemes
> might be worth investing in for the moment, though I wouldn't bet on it.
>
> Dr. J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mrtudo1955 <mrtudo1955@yahoo. com>
> To: chelationtherapy@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 1:26 am
> Subject: [chelationtherapy] New source of heart stem cells found: study
>
> New source of heart stem cells found: study
> Sun Jun 22, 1:13 PM ET
>
>
> PARIS (AFP) - Researchers in the United States have discovered a new
> group of stem cells that can give rise to heart muscle cells, known
> as cardiomyocytes, according to a study published Sunday.
>
> The stem cells are located in the outermost layer of the heart and
> could one day play a critical role in regenerating injured heart
> tissue, the researchers say.
>
> "In heart failure, you lose cardiomyocytes, so the only way to
> reverse heart failure is to make more of these cells," said William
> Pu, the study's lead researcher and a pediatric cardiologist at
> Children's Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts.
>
> The new findings come on the heels of two earlier breakthroughs.
>
> In 2006 scientists identified another cardiac stem cell -- marked by
> the expression of a gene called Nkx2-5 -- with the potential to
> become either heart muscle or cells lining blood vessels in the
> organ's left-sided chambers.
>
> Gene expression is the process by which information encoded in the
> DNA of a particular gene is transformed into a protein or RNA, which
> plays a key role in protein synthesis.
>
> In parallel, other US researchers discovered a related progenitor
> heart cell -- so-called because of its capacity to generate different
> types of tissue -- that produces the same cell types in the right-
> sided heart chambers.
>
> Pu's study, published online in the journal Nature, shows for the
> first time that new heart stem cells can also be derived from a third
> type of cardiac stell cell, located within the surface of the organ
> and identifiable through its expression of a gene called Wt1.
>
> The results were independently verified by another team of scientists
> at the University of California in San Diego, whose research was
> published in the same issue of Nature.
>
> Pu and colleagues showed that the cells from the heart's outer
> lining, called the epicardium, can not only metamorphose into
> cardiomyocytes but also into smooth muscle cells, endothelial cells,
> which line the interior of blood vessels, and fibroblasts, found in
> connective tissue.
>
> "If you are going to regenerate tissue, you need to regenerate the
> whole tissue, not just the cardiomyocytes, " Pu said in a statement.
>
> The discovery of the new stem cells was an accident. In order to
> study the role a different gene in the epicardium, the researchers
> labeled cells in live mouse embryos with red fluorescent protein.
>
> "Unexpectedly, we saw that these epicardial cells were becoming
> cardiomycytes -- it was a lucky observation, " said Pu.
>
> The next challenge, he added, is trying to figure out how a
> progenitor stem cell decides to become a certain type of functioning
> cell within the heart, and then how to develop methods to trick the
> stem cells into transforming into the desired tissue.
>
> "We still don't know how we can manipulate these progenitors, " he
> said.
>
> Link:
> http://news. yahoo.com/ s/afp/20080622/ ts_afp/healthdis easeheartstemcel l
> <http://news. yahoo.com/ s/afp/20080622/ ts_afp/healthdis easeheartstemcel l>
>
> And
>
> Comedian George Carlin dies of heart failure in Los Angeles at 71
>
> LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Comedian George Carlin, a counter-culture
> hero famed for his routines about drugs and dirty words, died of
> heart failure at a Los Angeles-area hospital on Sunday, a spokesman
> said. He was 71.
> Carlin, who had a history of heart problems, died at St. John's
> Health Center in Santa Monica about 6 p.m. PDT (9 p.m. EDT) after
> being admitted earlier in the afternoon for chest pains, spokesman
> Jeff Abraham told Reuters.
>
> Known for his edgy, provocative material, Carlin achieved status as
> an anti-Establishment icon in the 1970s with stand-up bits full of
> drug references and a routine about seven dirty words you could not
> say on television. A regulatory battle over a radio broadcast of
> his "Filthy Words" routine ultimately reached the U.S. Supreme Court.
>
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