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Re: study taking place at National Institutes of Health?

I never thought of the ethics before. Great point. Certainly it's the
patient that probably has to sign a waiver etc but why would anyone
opt in and take such a chance?

I wouldn't.

When is the testing supposed to wrap up and the results made public?
I thought this year was the year, no? Yes?

Tom


--- In chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com, coygators@... wrote:
>
> Steve,
> You are a wise consumer. It is not unethical for a patient
to make a choice to assist the scientific process. I just think it
is unethical for a physician to withhold a needed therapy.
> Also, it is probably a good idea for you to optimize your
blood's buffering capacity.
>
> jboy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dudescholar3@...
> To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] study taking place at National
Institutes of Health?
>
>
> coygators@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Goooooo oobagah Tom!!!
> >
> > CoEnzyme Q 10 up to 800 mgs. daily until your cardiologist tells
you
> > your ejection fraction is improving, then reduce the amount of it
toward
> > the more usual 100 to 200 mg. daily.
>
> I take the equivalent of 1100 mg/day and intend to continue
indefinitely - my
> ejection fraction is normal by-the-way.
>
> > I say stay away from the clinics that are involved with the NIH
> > chelation study. It is troubling.
> >
> > As you indicated, what about the idiots who may be
getting "placebo?"
> > It is unethical to play roulette with a patient you know that has
a
> > problem and play some game of withholding treatment from him or
not.
> > You go to a doctor to be helped.
>
> I don't think it is troubling to work with clinics that are
involved in the NIH
> study. The place I used in Utah is the only clinic in Utah that
offers
> chelation and I was asked if I wanted to be in the study. My reply
was "Not a
> chance!", I want to get the real deal. EDTA comes with a burning
pain - I think
> it's related to how acidic your blood is - and I can certainly tell
nowadays if
> I was getting the real deal or a placebo but I didn't want to play
that game.
> I've had 40+ session of EDTA to date (and 25 of PlaqueX) and try
for a monthly
> maintenance IV session of EDTA. Because my kidney function was very
good, I got
> a higher dosage of EDTA than average.
>
> --
>
> Steve - dudescholar3@...
>
> "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we
must still march
> on." --Stopford Brooke
>
>
>
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