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Hi Doc,
Good to hear from you, thank you posting your knowledge here. You said "With the history of surgically induced strokes not very favorable" you are referring to endarterectomy ? Would you please comment on what that history is, percentage wise or whatever is appropriate?
I had 2 ultrasounds on the carotids and in the 1st test, the result was 60-70% and the surgeon recommended surgery rather than suffer a potential TIA. He also wanted me to have a bypass of the right femoral, a stent in the left common illiac all done with the endarterectomy in the same week in the hospital. I think that was roughly Sept, 2005. My open heart surgery was done by the same fellow 6 months prior to that sept recommendation. When I called the cardiologist about this he seemed surprised when I told him of the recommendations saying " he said that?" ( referring to the surgeon ). When answered affirmatively he said "you can't
do that, even if you did need all that it would have to be done in stages". I went to this cardiologist about 8 months ago and he advised AGAINST anything done with the right femoral, then after the results of a new ultrasound said that there was no way I needed surgery on the right carotid as the blockage appeared to be 50-60% and when I tried to prod further asking if it was possible that 50-60 meant that I could be just a little over 60 and he answered "NO, it's appears closer to 50 ) ( ! ). Regarding the left illiac, he said that's strickly a lifestyle decision in that if it prevents me from going places, functioning, etc then I'd need to address it. Can you comment?
I am now about 2 months past when they wanted me to return for yet another ultrasound and I am afraid to do so.
My ability to walk and excercise in this same timeframe has GREATLY impoved and whereas I was struggling to walk a mile in 2 miles
an hour....I am now regularly walking on the electronic treadmill and it's showing almost 2 MPH nonstop at 3.2 MPH! I can probably walk somewhere between 5 and 10 miles nonstop in the 2.5MPH range. All this buy the way at an INCLINE on the treadmill AND recently in the last few months doing an upper body workout simultaneously while walking along. Now it's taken some real doing to get to this point and I'm convinced that it's a combination of factors as to why this has taken place which includes the chelation, diet change, no smoking now for 2.2 years, excercise.......
But still the fear of a stroke sometimes haunts me.
Tom
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coygators@... wrote:
EDTA chelation therapy and strokes: strokes are caused when tissue suddenly loses its blood supply and suffers or succumbs to oxygen deprivation. Causes are related to hemorrhages (ruptured blood vessels), blockage from a blood clot somewhere upstream, or blockage from a piece of plaque that broke off upstream and lodged in the way. Depending upon the size of the area damaged, the result will be any where from a small area of malfunction, to more widespread areas or even death. The length of time the area is blocked also is important for recovery or lack thereof.Treatment of strokes with chelation is shutting the barn door after a horse got out. It may improve chances of fewer and fewer horses getting out in the future, or it may entice a few horses to return with improved blood flow downstream. PREVENTION of strokes with EDTA chelation therapy is a horse of a different color, so to speak. It is understood that chelated patients get less strokes, or get strokes less often than non-chelated patients. Three dimensional plaque is rough surfaced and contributes to turbulence in the blood vessels which creates dynamics in blood flow that are conducive to clot formation. Reducing the roughness of the plaque reduces the turbulence and therefore reduces the formation of blood clots which lead to strokes.HOWEVER, THE BEST TREATMENT FOR STROKES ONE WEEK TO TWENTY YEARS AFTER THEY OCCUR IS HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY!!!!!There's a little more about this stroke thing, especially as it is related to carotid artery evaluation and surgery. If you have ever had a carotid angiogram, which surgeons use to determine candidates for endarterectomy (cleaning out the plaque in the artery), you may recall the reporting of plaque amounts: "less than 50%", or "50% to 70% blockage," or "70% to 90% blocked," or "95%," or even "100% blocked." Each of those very widespread guesses is used to categorize whether you are not a candidate for surgery, whether you are not YET a candidate for surgery, whether you are a candidate for urgent surgery, or whether you just better go home and wait for the other carotid artery to become 100% blocked. With the statistics of surgically induced strokes not very favorable, it makes an awful lot of sense to do chelation therapy instead of surgery in almost all cases. Again, the flow dynamics favors better plaque removal from larger arteries, and experience does show carotids clear faster than arteries to the heart or to the lower legs.Any questions?jboy
-----Original Message-----
From: mrtudo1955@yahoo.com
To: chelationtherapy@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [chelationtherapy] Stroke
Thanks Ted,Then your question is even more interesting to me now.I have a neighbor, not much older ( if at all ) than me ( I'm 52 ) who I saw sort of walking the other day, very slowly, arm seemed frozen by his side. I never knew his name, he lives with his Wife and kids about 4 houses down from us. I stopped and spoke with him and he showed me the scar from surgery on his BOTH carotids. He had a stroke. I referred him to Dr Coy in Punta Gorda. Told him of my progress in walking, etc etc etc.I wondered if chelation therapy could possibly benefit someone who has suffered a stroke.Tom
tedd <tguenzel@comcast.net> wrote:Blood-Brain Barrier
The blood-brain barrier (BBB) is the specialized system of capillary
endothelial cells that protects the brain from harmful substances in
the blood stream, while supplying the brain with the required
nutrients for proper function. Unlike peripheral capillaries that
allow relatively free exchange of substance across / between cells,
the BBB strictly limits transport into the brain through both physical
(tight junctions) and metabolic (enzymes) barriers. Thus the BBB is
often the rate-limiting factor in determining permeation of
therapeutic drugs into the brain. Additionally, BBB breakdown is
theorized to be a key component in central nervous system (CNS)
associated pathologies. BBB investigation is an ever growing and
dynamic field studied by pharmacologists, neuroscientists,
pathologists, physiologists, and clinical practitioners.
http://users.ahsc.arizona. edu/davis/ bbb.htm
Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same people on the way down. Ralph Kramden
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