On Saturday 03 February 2007 10:42 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> Steve,
>
> who the heck is sticking you with that needle and missing? This is an RN?
> I could get downright nasty over that if it happened on a regular basis.
>
> The strange thing about the toprol is I NEVER had high blood pressure. In
> fact I border on LOW blood pressure. Generally speaking my bp runs around
> 115/70 something. First thing in the morning it's like 105/mid 60's. And
> this guy wanted me on beta blockers?
>
> That was the start of my questioning of these guys.
>
> What is a plavix treatment?

That was a typo - it should PlaqueX. You should be able to google that one
and have it work.

> What state are you in Steve?

Utah.

Steve

> Rgrds
> Tom
>
> steve <dudescholar3@...> wrote:
> One comment on Toprol (beta blocker). A while back, I came across
> an article review on blood pressure lowering medications and how they
> affect all cause mortality. One would think that it would decrease
> mortality. The results were mixed. Some drugs only worked to decrease
> mortality when combined with other drugs. What stood out in the article was
> that Toprol decreased mortality in a very statistically significant way
> below that of a normal healthy population. In other words, people with
> cardiovascular problems who took toprol lived longer than people without
> cardiovascular problems. The average dosage of toprol was 200 mg/day. There
> is no way I could take 200 mg/day without my heart slooooooooowing way
> down. I manage my toprol intake depending on the level of stress in my life
> (and my blood pressure varies by the seasons) so that I keep a blood
> pressure of 115/75. That averages out to 75 mg/day of toprol xl for me. Ace
> inhibitors were additive in that when taken with a beta blocker, they
> improved mortality rates. I also take a small dosage of an ace inhibitor.
>
> Plavix caused lots bruising for me and I took it about a year. I now take
> 325 mg/day of asprin, a solution that has almost the same effect as plavix
> without the side effects or cost.
>
> I have 4 medicated stents placed after a heart attack. I went ahead and had
> chelation therapy, the 30 sessions, and am now taking about 1 a month
> maintenence and have had a total of 37. I also had 25 sessions of plavix
> therapy. I didn't notice anything from either EDTA or Plavix since I don't
> have angina but I figured it in as preventative insurance. What I don't
> like is when it takes them 2-3 times to get a vein or the needle pulls out
> slightly during the session and the EDTA goes in outside of the vein - boy
> is that painful.
>
> Steve
>
> On Saturday 03 February 2007 7:45 pm, Mr Tudo wrote:
> > When I was diagnosed as needing open heart surgery and having vascular
> > problems ( 100% totally blocked femoral in right leg, 90% blocked common
> > illiac in left ), the cardiologist packed a little brown paper bag for me
> > . In it was samples of Toprol beta blockers, plavix, lipitor and
> > prescriptions for all of them.
> >
> > I passed on the beta blockers and plavix. I took the lipitor for a couple
> > of months and then stopped it as I was having muscle pains.
> >
> > I take 80mg of asprin a day and several suppliments per my Wife and
> > chelation Doc.
> >
> > That is it.
> >
> > Rgrds
> > Tom
> > Port Charlotte Fla
> >
> >
> >
> > Fran <sos.owner@...> wrote:
> > Jon wrote:
> > Supplements: including Niacin 100mg 3 X daily plus another 100mg
> > included in some Cardio concoctions I take. In the last couple of
> > days I've had increased arrythmia and dizzyness. I also am supposed to
> > wear a .4mg/hr nitro patch.
> >
> > Am I getting a nitro/niacin overdose? It lets up when I skip the
> > niacin. I guess I need a prescription adjustment.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Hi Jon,
> >
> > This from MedlinePlus: Niacin
> >
> > Nitrates (e.g., nitroglycerin and isosorbide)—Niacin may increase the
> > effects of these medications or may have increased side effects when
> > these drugs are given together.
> >
> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202404.html
> >
> > Is the 'Cardio concoctions' prescription or OTC?
> >
> > I'm very leary of taking anything that contains numerous ingredients.
> > If you experience adverse effects, it's difficult to determine the cause.
> >
> > Make a list of all your supplements and prescriptions, including the
> > dosage. Search (Google or Yahoo) one of the scripts against the others
> > and with the OTC's. I had to do this with my mother-in-law last
> > summer. She took one OTC that contained 30 different ingredients.
> > Three were in direct conflict with her BP meds. She was a mess. I (and
> > her Dr) thought she had lupus. Actually, she did, but it was 'drug'
> > induced. Once we got rid of the offenders, the rash (all over her
> > body) cleared.
> >
> > Fran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be nice to the people on the way up....cause you'll meet the same people
> > on the way down. Ralph Kramden
> >
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