Hello forum,
For those of you who don't know me, I too spent a large amount of $$$ & time trying to learn something in Southern Ohio, & then figure out how I could try to do sound therapy on my own. My opinion from calculating number of students + equipment sold, etc, was that Sound Wealth was just that for Edwards: as in 10's of millions of $$$ by 2003-03. The factor is at least 4 * by now.

The posts that I've just read are more of the basic S.O.P. that I observed in my brief Ohio encounters. Many errors / ommissions in software and database, with some that may have been deliberate. Printed info was full of intentional misinformation to "catch the thieves", which of course I'm one of the prime examples if you believe the incredible BS and libel!

I've searched public info and believe that I have found 100% of the sources where BioAcoustics "IP" was taken from: books, private courses, USPA lectures and patents to name a few of the sources. This is of course My Opinion, but it's backed up by many thousands of pages of Facts. The info is so voluminous that I have difficulty in trying to maintain it.

One trivial example is Edwards' 'Frequency Equivalent (tm)': if you search only the U.S. patent database, you will find over 1000 patents that use the standard term Equivalent Frequency = = the original term that was taken and altered slightly and claimed as "Owned IP". Pretty neat isn't it - take some tech, rename and/or alter it slightly and it's your proprietary stuff. Well, IMHO it is STUFF all right!

In about 1997, Edwards gave an interview where she quoted that in would cost at least $60,000 to set up a sound therapy practice (her tech of course). By 2002 I estimated that it would have been more than twice that figure!! I do not know what a likely estimate would be today --> and you still have many, many problems to try to overcome. No student or individual practitioner I ever heard of made back their investment using only BioAcoustics tech al la Edwards! Oh, I'm sorry: that's Research Associate not practitioner.

Doing 'good' voice recordings was not something that wasn't taught / properly investigated / or even worried about in S. Ohio! And yes, taking two or more recordings from the same person closely spaced will definitely give you different answers, if you only look at the highlights. SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER? In part it's the environment & stray emf's (geopathic stresses), it's also equipment that hasn't been calibrated, using a set of calculation parameters that hasn't been fully researched or documented, and getting the client to talk about and feel their body issue(s)!

There are things that you can most definitely observe from multiple voice prints, e.g. graphic patterns & harmonics --> that's another long story.

I'm just starting to get familiar with Biosonic software, so I can't compare it with anything else, yet. I have compared several different programs, and pretty much concluded that there isn't one absolute best - you'll have to pardon me Marysol, since again I don't have enough info about Biosonic to include it in my statement & still looking for your FFT.

The field of sound therapy -or- frequency therapy -or- bioenergetics doesn't appear to me to be all inclusive. It certainly could & should be part of an overall protocol for any given health issue - you just have to use common sense and the best of the health strategies you can find (not an easy task).

Truth isn't a rant -and- it's not diatribe; it just is! The truth will come out one of these days, and it won't be pretty!!!

Cheers,
Bill Meyer

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:24:24 +0100
>From: "Marysol Gonzalez Sterling" <biosonica@retemail.es>
>Subject: [TRUTHsound] Re: [biosonic] Re: nanoVoice
>To: <biosonic@yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: <truTHsound@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Toby, I am sorry about this, and all that you have spent and gone
> through. yes SHE has taken for a ride too many of you, and on
> purpose has left everyone confussed, so they still need her. We are
> all resposible if we did not do the research and distinguish whom to
> trust. And if we keep maintaining the idea that more expensive is
> better.... Maybe it is one of the reasons that the Biosonic has been
> so slow in sales, it is really affordable and as much self taught as
> possible. Because I am not in favor of masters and persons teaching
> us, we need to give the power back to anyone that follows our
> footsteps and definetly I am aware to give the tools to my students
> for them to decide on their own, not follow blindly what I say....
> This is very important, because it fits in the new world,,, SHE and
> all her ways are the ugly, bad things of the old world we want to
> forget about really soon.
> Love and truth for 2009
> MarySOL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Toby Montry
> To: bio sonic
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:34 AM
> Subject: RE: [biosonic] Re: nanoVoice
>
> Hello,
> I have read the rants. I bought the N-voice for 400 bucks! Big
> mistake, over priced. When she gave away nano voice free I was
> pissed off. I paid 400 bucks and she gives it away free!!!! What
> the F###!! I complained about that and was told n-voice has more
> pages of information. Hmmm 400 bucks worth?
> I took the basic beginners class for a week in Ohio. When the
> week was over, I didn't know how to do anything and had bought a
> lot of the software and tone boxes. Maybe I spent 5,000 bucks
> total (including motel, car, air flight, food.)
> After several months of not being able to figure it out on my
> own, I flew a teacher to the country I am living in for a week of
> private teaching at great expense. That was helpful but still
> difficult. I felt the teacher was holding back information and
> had a lot of ``I don't know `` answers. Some software is
> incomplete or not working well it seems. I really wanted to
> believe in it and her research but it does seem like just a money
> thing. Once they have your bucks, your on your own, it seems they
> really don't care. I have been insulted and treated with
> disrespect on more then one occasion.
> I have some friends in the ``club`` that have been helpful in
> teaching me more but they seem to ignore the software problems
> etc.
> Several of the software I bought seems to be the same
> information with a different look.
> The inconsistency of a vocal print I don't understand. I can
> take a VP and have a reading of cancer or something and 2 minutes
> later take another VP and I don't have it and then do it again
> and a total different result. Is it a mood thing? ha ha I
> would think to be accurate, it somehow needs to be consistent at
> least for a period of time. If you play an A note, it is
> consistent always but a VP, is your voice ever the same from
> minute to minute?
> Maybe totally ALL my investment would be about 8 or 9 grand.
> I wonder what else I could have done with that money. Well, live
> and learn. I don't mind the investment if it is worth it. If the
> week class was designed and taught so that EVERY student leaves
> with a good working knowledge to do it well and be able to help
> humanity with it and the software was flawless, and it all
> actually works, then money spent well. The class I had, was a lot
> of wasted time on stories, equipment failure, loooong breaks and
> not taught at a beginner level which we were all at. If I want
> to take the class again in Ohio, just the class alone is another
> 1,500 bucks. On line class do over was 500 I was told. How many
> times do I have to pay to learn it all? I was told we were
> expected to know it before we begin classes!
> There is a free class once a week but unfortunately it is 3 am
> monday morning in my county. (I got to work on mondays, saturday 3
> am would be ok) If I want to watch the recorded class on my time
> frame, 40 bucks an hour and they say it is poor quality and so
> on and so on....... over all I give it a grade of C.
> I believe biosonic is A+ (because I believe in Jef`s
> research on the different companies) and the teaching system is
> superior but I just don't have the funds yet to do it. :(
> Toby
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> To: biosonic@yahoogroups.com
> From: spsens@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:18:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [biosonic] Re: nanoVoice
>
> Here's my take...
> NanoVoice is a "light" version of nVoice. I attended a metaphysic
> conference in Columbus, Ohio in the fall of last year where she
> was speaking. She really is the worlds greatest manipulator and
> makes a great pitch! Her spin was that the nanoVoice program that
> she was going to give us all a FREE copy of an application that
> costs several hundred dollars. Of course I snagged one and
> couldn't wait to install it. I loaded it up at Denny's restaurant
> on the way home from the conference and it took 1 recording to see
> that the program was for sh!^&%$@&t. The distribution of notes was
> so far off from the range that the frequencies should fall in,
> that it was a joke. I compared the same recording to Sound
> Assistant (fft), Biotuner, Biosonic and Voice2Voice which all gave
> their own interpretation, but the overall mapping of notes
> was consistent and accurate.
> The mapping of frequencies was bad enough, but the fact that she
> tried telling us that is WAS the $300 or $400 program was
> deceiving and manipulative. She really does talk a good game, but
> after talking to several insider people who have had direct
> contact and have worked with her, I had to much behind the scenes
> knowledge to even sit through the whole lecture. What is cool
> though...is when she brings out the "black boxes" with the
> pre-programmed back frequencies. The people who had back injuries
> had relief from their pain but those who had surgery on their
> backs didn't have relief. Some times it's the message, not the
> messenger that has value. But at the same time, I haven't suffered
> any of the painful legal battles that other members of the sound
> community have. My advice is to see who encourages learning for a
> higher purpose other then self promotion and who
> also doesn't claim any advances that one "discovers" as the
> parent organiz ations IP. When I first met her, the story was that
> there was enough sick people to go around, but after hearing all
> of the horror stories, it was all lip service. Does anyone really
> want to spend their hard earned bucks on an organization like
> this? I bought into the chromatic home study back in 2000. $1,200
> bucks down the drain with nothing but an impossible to use manual
> and no support or follow through with course assignments.
> But...all of the questions that I came up with, I was able to
> research on my own so that when a truly godsend of a teacher
> came along, I was able to make use and apply that knowledge that
> she instilled me with. One of the biggest nuggets, was to
> research, ask the right questions and have integrity. Plus, a real
> teacher encourages the student to study with many teachers because
> they do not want to LIMIT they want us to LEARN and help
> others. THANKS LAUREN!
> Any way my rant is over...steer clear!
> Steve
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Beth Hughes wrote:
>
> Is it that bad? I just played with it a little bit. Sounds like
> a bad experience, though. So you went through the training
> there? How bad was it?
>
> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, n@bacoustic.com <n@bacoustic.com> wrote:
>
> From: n@bacoustic.com <n@bacoustic.com>
> Subject: [biosonic] Re: nanoVoice
> To: biosonic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:57 PM
>
> My opinion is thus;
> If I recall correctly, it had a Trojan virus in it that was
> not a false positive. You might want to use malwarebytes,
> Black Ice or another utility to check your system. I have
> purchased and used software from this group in the past and it
> was VERY disappointing. The database was incomplete. When I
> called in to the company, I was told they had no plans to
> finish the software by one of their employees. The training I
> received was nothing more or less than an absolute
> embarrassment. At one point, I asked for some examples of
> waveforms that should have been included, and the owner of the
> company who was doing the training was so unprepared, she
> could not even find the file. She seemed alot more concerned
> with advertising her other more expensive programs, than
> anything else.When I began to smell a rat, I spoke with
> several of their software users and found NONE with anything
> positive to say. More investigation showed law suits and
> claims that they owned publicly available information. To my
> way of thinking, THAT is rather dishonest. I hope no one was
> hurt by being given the wrong frequencies from databases. That
> could (through discovery) generate quite a class action suit.
> A deposition or three from past employees would probably
> reveal quite a bit.
>
> jokiejokester wrote:
>
> So I was playing around online and found this software
> program called
> nanVoice. It's free so I downloaded it. It seems pretty
> cool. Has
> anybody else tried it?
>
> www.nanovoice. org
>
> --
> With Honor
> Jef Harvey
> Managing Director
> Jeftech
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