Toby, I am sorry about this, and all that you have spent and gone through. yes SHE has taken for a ride too many of you, and on purpose has left everyone confussed, so they still need her. We are all resposible if we did not do the research and distinguish whom to trust. And if we keep maintaining the idea that more expensive is better.... Maybe it is one of the reasons that the Biosonic has been so slow in sales, it is really affordable and as much self taught as possible. Because I am not in favor of masters and persons teaching us, we need to give the power back to anyone that follows our footsteps and definetly I am aware to give the tools to my students for them to decide on their own, not follow blindly what I say....
This is very important, because it fits in the new world,,, SHE and all her ways are the ugly, bad things of the old world we want to forget about really soon.
Hello, I have read the rants. I bought the N-voice for 400 bucks! Big mistake, over priced. When she gave away nano voice free I was pissed off. I paid 400 bucks and she gives it away free!!!! What the F###!! I complained about that and was told n-voice has more pages of information. Hmmm 400 bucks worth? I took the basic beginners class for a week in Ohio. When the week was over, I didn't know how to do anything and had bought a lot of the software and tone boxes. Maybe I spent 5,000 bucks total (including motel, car, air flight, food.) After several months of not being able to figure it out on my own, I flew a teacher to the country I am living in for a week of private teaching at great expense. That was helpful but still difficult. I felt the teacher was holding back information and had a lot of ``I don't know `` answers. Some software is incomplete or not working well it seems. I really wanted to believe in it and her research but it does seem like just a money thing. Once they have your bucks, your on your own, it seems they really don't care. I have been insulted and treated with disrespect on more then one occasion. I have some friends in the ``club`` that have been helpful in teaching me more but they seem to ignore the software problems etc. Several of the software I bought seems to be the same information with a different look. The inconsistency of a vocal print I don't understand. I can take a VP and have a reading of cancer or something and 2 minutes later take another VP and I don't have it and then do it again and a total different result. Is it a mood thing? ha ha I would think to be accurate, it somehow needs to be consistent at least for a period of time. If you play an A note, it is consistent always but a VP, is your voice ever the same from minute to minute? Maybe totally ALL my investment would be about 8 or 9 grand. I wonder what else I could have done with that money. Well, live and learn. I don't mind the investment if it is worth it. If the week class was designed and taught so that EVERY student leaves with a good working knowledge to do it well and be able to help humanity with it and the software was flawless, and it all actually works, then money spent well. The class I had, was a lot of wasted time on stories, equipment failure, loooong breaks and not taught at a beginner level which we were all at. If I want to take the class again in Ohio, just the class alone is another 1,500 bucks. On line class do over was 500 I was told. How many times do I have to pay to learn it all? I was told we were expected to know it before we begin classes! There is a free class once a week but unfortunately it is 3 am monday morning in my county. (I got to work on mondays, saturday 3 am would be ok) If I want to watch the recorded class on my time frame, 40 bucks an hour and they say it is poor quality and so on and so on....... over all I give it a grade of C. I believe biosonic is A+ (because I believe in Jef`s research on the different companies) and the teaching system is superior but I just don't have the funds yet to do it. :( Toby
To: biosonic@yahoogroups.com From: spsens@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:18:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [biosonic] Re: nanoVoice
Here's my take...
NanoVoice is a "light" version of nVoice. I attended a metaphysic conference in Columbus, Ohio in the fall of last year where she was speaking. She really is the worlds greatest manipulator and makes a great pitch! Her spin was that the nanoVoice program that she was going to give us all a FREE copy of an application that costs several hundred dollars. Of course I snagged one and couldn't wait to install it. I loaded it up at Denny's restaurant on the way home from the conference and it took 1 recording to see that the program was for sh!^&%$@&t. The distribution of notes was so far off from the range that the frequencies should fall in, that it was a joke. I compared the same recording to Sound Assistant (fft), Biotuner, Biosonic and Voice2Voice which all gave their own interpretation, but the overall mapping of notes was consistent and accurate.
The mapping of frequencies was bad enough, but the fact that she tried telling us that is WAS the $300 or $400 program was deceiving and manipulative. She really does talk a good game, but after talking to several insider people who have had direct contact and have worked with her, I had to much behind the scenes knowledge to even sit through the whole lecture. What is cool though...is when she brings out the "black boxes" with the pre-programmed back frequencies. The people who had back injuries had relief from their pain but those who had surgery on their backs didn't have relief. Some times it's the message, not the messenger that has value. But at the same time, I haven't suffered any of the painful legal battles that other members of the sound community have. My advice is to see who encourages learning for a higher purpose other then self promotion and who also doesn't claim any advances that one "discovers" as the parent organiz ations IP. When I first met her, the story was that there was enough sick people to go around, but after hearing all of the horror stories, it was all lip service. Does anyone really want to spend their hard earned bucks on an organization like this? I bought into the chromatic home study back in 2000. $1,200 bucks down the drain with nothing but an impossible to use manual and no support or follow through with course assignments. But...all of the questions that I came up with, I was able to research on my own so that when a truly godsend of a teacher came along, I was able to make use and apply that knowledge that she instilled me with. One of the biggest nuggets, was to research, ask the right questions and have integrity. Plus, a real teacher encourages the student to study with many teachers because they do not want to LIMIT they want us to LEARN and help others. THANKS LAUREN!
Any way my rant is over...steer clear!
Steve
On Jan 6, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Beth Hughes wrote:
Is it that bad? I just played with it a little bit. Sounds like a bad experience, though. So you went through the training there? How bad was it?
From: n@bacoustic.com <n@bacoustic.com> Subject: [biosonic] Re: nanoVoice To: biosonic@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:57 PM
My opinion is thus; If I recall correctly, it had a Trojan virus in it that was not a false positive. You might want to use malwarebytes, Black Ice or another utility to check your system. I have purchased and used software from this group in the past and it was VERY disappointing. The database was incomplete. When I called in to the company, I was told they had no plans to finish the software by one of their employees.The training I received was nothing more or less than an absolute embarrassment. At one point, I asked for some examples of waveforms that should have been included, and the owner of the company who was doing the training was so unprepared, she could not even find the file. She seemed alot more concerned with advertising her other more expensive programs, than anything else.When I began to smell a rat, I spoke with several of their software users and found NONE with anything positive to say. More investigation showed law suits and claims that they owned publicly available information. To my way of thinking, THAT is rather dishonest. I hope no one was hurt by being given the wrong frequencies from databases. That could (through discovery) generate quite a class action suit. A deposition or three from past employees would probably reveal quite a bit.
jokiejokester wrote:
So I was playing around online and found this software program called nanVoice. It's free so I downloaded it. It seems pretty cool. Has anybody else tried it?
So I was playing around online and found this software program called nanVoice. It's free so I downloaded it. It seems pretty cool. Has anybody else tried it? ...
My opinion is thus; If I recall correctly, it had a Trojan virus in it that was not a false positive. You might want to use malwarebytes, Black Ice or another ...
Is it that bad? I just played with it a little bit. Sounds like a bad experience, though. So you went through the training there? How bad was it? ... From:...
Hi Beth The programs I used were not the free one discussed here, (you would expect a paid version to be better than my experience) however, after several...
Here's my take... NanoVoice is a "light" version of nVoice. I attended a metaphysic conference in Columbus, Ohio in the fall of last year where she was ...
Steve Sens
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Jan 7, 2009 12:18 am
Hello, I have read the rants. I bought the N-voice for 400 bucks! Big mistake, over priced. When she gave away nano voice free I was pissed off. I paid 400...
Toby, I am sorry about this, and all that you have spent and gone through. yes SHE has taken for a ride too many of you, and on purpose has left everyone...
Hello Thank you for your kind words and wisdom and from the other people who replied. I wish I had this information a couple years ago. I did try and check on...
Really Toby, this was a sad story, you would have had the BiosonicPro and NS for that same prize... And you had everything to see what it did in the manuals of...
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