It's time for people interested in presenting at the Winter Brain meeting to
contact us to propose talk and workshop topics.

We love to hear from first-timers. So if you have an interesting case or
technique or population to discuss, drop me a line.

If you've presented before, please contact me soon. I'm trying to get a
first draft of a schedule out in early August.

Keep in mind that this year, we'll be doing double track plenaries, so we
will be able to accept a wider diversity of topics ranging from mind
machines, consciousness, PSI, energy therapies.... and more. .

Winter Brain Meeting Feb 6-10, 2004 www.brainmeeting.com
Preconference workshops on Feb 4 and 5th
Joel and Judith Lubar
QEEG Course: Jay Gunkelman and Rich Soutar

and Feb 5th Neurofeedback Foundations Course.


Cordially,


Rob Kall Futurehealth, Inc.
211 N. Sycamore St. www.futurehealth.org
Newtown, PA 18940 215-504-1700, fax 215-860-5374

StoryCon Summit Meeting on the Art, Science and Application of Story;
September 26-29, 2003 www.storycon.org

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Today's Topics:

1. low inhibits for high frequency feedback (Kayle Sandberg-Lewis)
2. Re: low inhibits for high frequency feedback (SigOthmer@...)
3. Re: Sidman Avoidance Conditioning (SAC) (Hershel Toomim)

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From: "Kayle Sandberg-Lewis" <StressLess@...>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:33:33 -0700
Subject: [EEG Associates] low inhibits for high frequency feedback
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I've never come across this before and I just wanted to see what others have
experienced. I'm working with a 77 year old woman, "Bea", who has had
multiple TBI's over the years. Before we started working together, I
conferenced with her referring physician and she told me Bea becomes
distressed whenever anything emotionally loaded is brought up - she assumes
a fetal position and howls, often holding her head. This has happened,
according to the physician, during counseling and also during cranial-sacral
work. The physician expressed the belief that this was Bea's "shtick."

I started working with Bea last fall, but because of her frail condition and
debilitating asthma, she discontinued over the winter. Our first sessions
were seemingly fruitless and certainly fatiguing for both of us - she became
extremely emotional. During the winter, she worked with a homeopath and her
asthma is gone. (I know, that's a whole nother conversation.)

Now most of her complaints point to under arousal, so when we resumed, I
started at C3-Cz, 15-18 with a 4-7 inhibit. We hadn't gotten through the
first maze when she started crying, moaning, writhing and grabbing her head.
She continued after I turned off the feedback, taking a minute or so to
eventually calm down. We talked about her experience and she told me that it
was a lot like the two re-birthing series she had been through; that she was
sure the forceps were hurting her head. She was game for trying more,
although I wasn't sure I was - until I thought of inhibiting 2-7. She sat
through subsequent feedback without comment or commotion and at the end,
said that her head felt "calm" for the first time ever. We've had a few
sessions since then and I've gone as high as 17-20, but have continued with
the 2-7 inhibit. She says she becomes peaceful during the session.

I had never thought of abreactions happening at higher frequencies. Have I
had my head in the sand?

Spike


Kayle Sandberg-Lewis, LMT, MA
Behavioral Medicine Education
Stress Management
1433 S.E. Tolman Street
Portland, Oregon 97202
503.234.2733
Oregon LMT #6915



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From: SigOthmer@...
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:54:05 EDT
Subject: Re: [EEG Associates] low inhibits for high frequency feedback
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In a message dated 7/6/03 3:27:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
StressLess@... writes:

> I've never come across this before and I just wanted to see what others
> have experienced. I'm working with a 77 year old woman, "Bea", who has had
> multiple TBI's over the years. Before we started working together, I
conferenced
> with her referring physician and she told me Bea becomes distressed
whenever
> anything emotionally loaded is brought up - she assumes a fetal position
and
> howls, often holding her head. This has happened, according to the
physician,
> during counseling and also during cranial-sacral work. The physician
> expressed the belief that this was Bea's "shtick."

And what explanatory powers go along with the concept of "shtick" here, I
wonder? This seems to be just another way for the physician to say, "this is
not
my turf."



>
> Now most of her complaints point to under arousal, so when we resumed, I
> started at C3-Cz, 15-18 with a 4-7 inhibit. We hadn't gotten through the
first
> maze when she started crying, moaning, writhing and grabbing her head. She
> continued after I turned off the feedback, taking a minute or so to
eventually
> calm down. We talked about her experience and she told me that it was a
lot
> like the two re-birthing series she had been through; that she was sure
the
> forceps were hurting her head.

Two thoughts: This may be a case of over-arousal masquerading as
underarousal. Secondly, this response could be thought of as PTSD for
pre-verbal
experience. At CIC-2001 I talked about Grof's work with birth trauma. The
theory is
that birth trauma could serve as a body memory or template for the accretion
and
consolidation of subsequent traumas, thus forming a unitary memory that
embodies aspects of pre-verbal and pre-cognitive experience. It then appears
to the
person as if they are able to recall the actual birth experience, when in
fact
they are seeing it through the lens of subsequent traumas that have served
to
bring the original memory forward more or less intact.

> She was game for trying more, although I wasn't sure I was - until I
> thought of inhibiting 2-7. She sat through subsequent feedback without
comment or
> commotion and at the end, said that her head felt "calm" for the first
time
> ever. We've had a few sessions since then and I've gone as high as 17-20,
but
> have continued with the 2-7 inhibit. She says she becomes peaceful during
the
> session.
>
> I had never thought of abreactions happening at higher frequencies. Have I
> had my head in the sand?

PTSD events can occur without any apparent provocation at all. Any
neurofeedback with a sensitive brain such as this could be considered a
provocation. On
the other side, we have seen profound transformative experiences, which we
associate with alpha/theta states, also occur with the higher frequency
training.


Siegfried

>
> Spike
>


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erbal and pre-cognitive experience. It then appears to the person as if
they=
are able to recall the actual birth experience, when in fact they are
seein=
g it through the lens of subsequent traumas that have served to bring the
or=
iginal memory forward more or less intact.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT
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: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">She was game for trying more,
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lthough I wasn't sure I was - until I thought of inhibiting 2-7. She sat
thr=
ough subsequent feedback without comment or commotion and at the end, said
t=
hat her head felt "calm" for the first time ever. We've had a few sessions
s=
ince then and I've gone as high as 17-20, but have continued with the 2-7
in=
hibit. She says she becomes peaceful during the session. <BR>
<BR>
I had never thought of abreactions happening at higher frequencies. Have I
h=
ad my head in the sand? </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">PTSD events can occur
withou=
t any apparent provocation at all. Any neurofeedback with a sensitive
brain=20=
such as this could be considered a provocation. On the other side, we have
s=
een profound transformative experiences, which we associate with
alpha/theta=
states, also occur with the higher frequency training. <BR>
<BR>
Siegfried </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:
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Spike<BR>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:06:05 -0700
From: Hershel Toomim <hershel@...>
Organization: Biocomp Research Institute
To: associates@...
Subject: Re: [EEG Associates] Sidman Avoidance Conditioning (SAC)
Reply-To: associates@...

Amanda,
The discussion was centered about a blow on the head. Similar symptoms,
however, may possibly be acquired from psychological trauma. The
separation is unclear at present.

Hershel Toomim

Amanda S. Armstrong, PhD wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This topic was listed under the subject of under-recognized TBI. Is
> this how the condition is caused?
> By a blow to the head?
>
> Or is this a result of exposure to a traumatic scene? Could you
> explain further?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aloha,
> Amanda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SigOthmer@... <mailto:SigOthmer@...>
> To: associates@...
> <mailto:associates@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:17 PM
> Subject: [EEG Associates] Traumatic Brain Injury under-recognized
>
> Under the above topic, one of my favorite themes, George responded
> on another list as follows. I thought I would pass it on, and
> perhaps George will comment further:
>
> "Physicians have no slight idea of Sidman Avoidance Conditioning
> (SAC) which results in complex dysfunction often without there
> having been the slightest impairment of consciousness.
>
> "SAC requires that an event be surprising, no warning, vivid, a
> strongly
> unpleasant event, and either immobility or brief unconsciousness
> during or
> immediately after the event.
>
> "Oddly, perception of the color red will intensify the
> experience. Quirk and
> I believed this was due to the fact that in the whiplash movement
> the eye
> suddenly sees through the eyelid which is red, and that
> intensification of
> this natural red results in a more severe reaction. I have seen
> scores of
> young ladies being treated for Asperger's Syndrome or even autism or
> pathologically repressed personality who have a clear cut
> traumatic memory
> and as soon as Gerbode's TIR (Trauma Incidence Reduction), or
> hypnosis or Pavlovian methods are used to desensitize the trauma,
> normality is restored."
>
>




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