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RE: [bikingroseville] Hit by Car on Saturday -- My Thoughts in Retrospect

Hello Dick,
 
I'm sorry to hear of your injury.  I hope you recover quickly.  It'll be tough to ride with traffic for a while.  After being hit by a car once, I was always nervous being too close to cars for a long time.  Like that article I read in SABA, I don't think we should call bicycle collisions an "accident". 
 
As for the bike lane, I prefer the lane to be where it is at, especially when I am going straight.  I want them to see me coming so they they won't cut me off.  This way, I can make eye contact with the person turning right before proceeding to go in front of them.  That lady is definitely at fault.  As soon as she turned the corner, she should have taken noticed of you in the bike lane just as she would have noticed another car in front of her.  Sometimes, depending on the situation, I would scoot over to the right most part of the road after I crossed the intersection.  I know that most people who turned right has a tendency to move left to merge into traffic.  I don't want to scoot over too early in case of drivers who speed around corners really fast. 
 
Those right turn lanes are very tricky.  That's why I don't like where the bike trail pops out on N. Sunrise and East Roseville Pkwy.  To catch East Roseville Pkwy you need to ride part way on the side to get to the intersection.  Then you have to cross the fast moving right turn lane in order to get to the bike lane.  What I end up doing these days is to go around the hotel to an exit that dumps you out on Roseville Pkwy before the traffic light.  You can see further down the street vs standing at a blind corner.
 
Another dangerous situation is Pleasant Grove crossing over HWY 65.  If you follows the bike lane, it ends abruptly right where the right most lane turns into a turn lane for Hwy 65.  They need a transition bike lane that has a dotted line from the right side of the road toward the one that is going to continue straight.
 
I think more driver education is needed.  Many people thinks bicycles only belong on bike trails or sidewalks.  I think it should be included in driver's ed.
 
Jade

From: bikingroseville@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bikingroseville@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick Frantzreb
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:29 AM
To: bikingroseville@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bikingroseville] Hit by Car on Saturday -- My Thoughts in Retrospect

On Saturday, March 17, a little after noon, I was riding east on
Pleasant Grove. I had just crossed Foothills (heading toward
Washington St.) and was riding in the bike lane maybe 10 or 20 yards
past the intersection, when I was struck from behind by a car. I was
thrown in the air and broke the car's windshield, dented the hood and
landed in the street in front of the car. I quickly realized that I
didn't seem to have sustained any major injuries, so I got up, moved
to the side of the road and sat down on the grass. Paramedics showed
up quickly, took me to Sutter Roseville where I was x-rayed, observed
for about an hour, and then released because I was OK except for a
few scrapes and bruises. I'm still recovering from stiffness and
soreness, but bottom line is that I was very lucky.

As I've thought about this experience, I've come to question the
marking of bicycle lanes, and I'd like to know what the group thinks
about this issue. At the point where it intersects Foothills,
Pleasant Grove has 3 lanes going east, plus a bike lane and a merge
lane. As we all know, the bike lane runs between the #1 traffic lane
and the merge lane. The lady who hit me had made a right from
Foothills onto Pleasant Grove, and was thinking about merging into
traffic and looking over her left shoulder when she hit me (I was
squarely in the bike lane).

Although she was elderly, and although her movements and reactions
may have been slower than the average person's, it seems to me that
this was an inherently dangerous situation: the bike lane is right
in the middle of two lanes that drivers are going to move between,
and they have to look behind them to be sure it's safe to do so. To
me, this implies that they'll spend at least some time looking away
from where the bicyclist is supposed to be. Wouldn't it be much
better if the bike lane were against the curb, so that the bicyclist
would be out of the way of this merging activity?

I know that a bicyclist who catches a green light and is racing
through an intersection may prefer the straight path, and it all
looks so aesthetic as it is, but after my experience, it just doesn't
seem right any more. I was in the right, I was exactly where I was
supposed to be, but I'm still hurting right now. If I had done as I
sometimes do, and moved into the merge lane, out of the way of the
cars, I suppose I would have been in the wrong, if I had been hit --
though I now believe I would have reduced my chances of being hit by
making that switch to the merge lane.

At a minimum, I feel that all who ride the roads (especially kids and
other inexperienced cyclists) should be aware of this danger. I took
Bjorn's road safety class last November, and I'm just about sure this
issue wasn't addressed. But I'm thinking that it would be a good
thing if bike lane markings were changed. What do you folks think?

Dick Frantzreb



Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:39 am

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On Saturday, March 17, a little after noon, I was riding east on Pleasant Grove. I had just crossed Foothills (heading toward Washington St.) and was riding...
Dick Frantzreb
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Mar 19, 2007
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You are very lucky and I am glad you were able to walk away... I would agree that riding closer to the curb would be a safer option and one would avoid being...
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Mar 19, 2007
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I ride through that intersection every day during my daily commute. one thing I try to do with cars making the right turn is to make eye contact, whenever ...
pascal joly
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Mar 19, 2007
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Dick, first of all I am sorry to hear what happened. I hope you have a quick and speedy recovery. I know of one other person who had a similar accident. First...
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Mar 19, 2007
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Hello Dick, I'm sorry to hear of your injury. I hope you recover quickly. It'll be tough to ride with traffic for a while. After being hit by a car once, I ...
Jade
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Mar 20, 2007
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Thanks Dick for sharing your experience. An angel was protecting you! This issue of long right turn lanes has been bothering me for over 20 years. In the...
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Mar 20, 2007
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I've had some time to think about my "accident" last Saturday and visit the scene, and I now agree that the bike lanes all over town are where they should be:...
Dick Frantzreb
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Mar 23, 2007
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Dick, thanks for the pictures. And also thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion. The second picture shows where the car drivers can legally merge ...
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Mar 23, 2007
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I know that Roseville Park and Recreation sends out pamphlet sometimes. I wonder if it is possible to have them send out the Roseville bike map and along with...
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Mar 23, 2007
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Hi - Roseville has a new bike map that will be mailed out to all residents as an insert to the Parks and Recreation Summer Rec guide. This should go out within...
Dour, Mike
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Mar 23, 2007
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Perhaps the City could share a draft of these rights and responsibilities with the cycling public for input prior to City-wide distribution? Do the "rights"...
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Mar 24, 2007
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We have always had the "right" to phone our local police department, just like every other vehicle. It isn't fare to give special treatment to bicyclists who...
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I commute from Folsom on a fairly regular basis in the Spring and Summer, using some of the busiest surface streets in our area; Folsom/Auburn, Douglas,...
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