What was Sharisa's "thing?" It sounds like it has to
be good.

BTW, my address (and the only thing that would appear
under 'from,' which is one reason why I switched
emailers) used to be acc01b@....

>Did you read Sharisa's thing today?
>She's soooooo autistic.  I love her
>and will email her even if she doesn't
>read my emails.


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Very transformational!  Kind of like your somewhat shamanistic
experience of the Wolf.  Your post was very good about how it feels to
have such an affinity with the wolf.  A long time ago, when beginning
exploration of things spiritual and metaphysical, I read a book by Jose
& Lena Stevens, called the Secrets of Shamanism.  It was very helpful in
understanding how our physical/spirit bodies align.  Michael Harner is
also a very good resource.  What you described (the sensation of
expanding into the wolf energy is a type of shapeshifting.)  The reading
was helpful for me as far as personal understanding and in the nursing
work I was doing at the time in Hospice.  I also love wolves and had two
amazing experiences with wolf encounters in real time !  If you find
yourself drawn to such things .... it may be a calling for you to study
more on these types of experiences.  I'm not sure  ;)   But, from what I
understand and read ... Shamans are called to be ...  But, I'm not one,
so I couldn't say 100%.
Anyway, your new 'handle' is great.  I'm fascinated by the yahoo name
there.  What does it mean?  Ecliptor Calrissian?
So, Happy New Year!  Let's hope this coming year is transformational in
the aspects of love, peace and spiritual unity!
Blessings,
Tink

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Clay [mailto:ecliptor_calrissian@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:23 AM
To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Digest Number 1293


What was Sharisa's "thing?" It sounds like it has to
be good.

*** I think he was referring to the post wherein Sharisa wrote that she
was thinking too much and turning to clay?  Not sure.

BTW, my address (and the only thing that would appear
under 'from,' which is one reason why I switched
emailers) used to be acc01b@....

>Did you read Sharisa's thing today?
>She's soooooo autistic.  I love her
>and will email her even if she doesn't
>read my emails.


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Uploading pictures and music sounds like a great idea.  Maybe I could
upload some of my own as well, if I ever figure out how!  I actually
wrote a song last night that has a few lines inspired by what I've read
here about your children and some of the other children with autism
talked about on this list...

I'll be waiting for you to contact me then on how we can set it up.
Thanks!

~Ana


--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, ilana sotomayor
<livingwithhfa@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Graceful Warrior <splashing_dolphin_@h...> wrote:
> What I gathered from what your daughter wrote is that she wants
> someone to help run the group... I actually didn't have too much
> difficulty in trying to understand what she was trying to say, for
> whatever reason... it's sort of like you can't look at the individual
words
> to understand it; you have to read the words and then let them go
and
> stay with their sense only... ok I realize that might not have made any
> sense but I really can't explain it any other way...
>
> If they want someone to run their group and no one else is doing it,
I'll
> do it.  Just tell me how...
>
> no one else is doing it, so wonderful you'll be it then, i would but i'm
too busy to take anything else on right now.  so i just can't and i have
kept my kids offline because of online fears, of course, but would like a
child/adult rated PG group the kids can go on mostly they like music and
ryming, and such.  but then they can't seem to interact much on a social
level, but at least in this way they can interact without getting
overwhelmed by peoples voices or presence.
>
> mostly i haven't seen much of autistic groups geared towards autistic
children posting (not that i searched much really) and i'm not sure how
it would work, as my son draws and paints, maybe upload his pictures
to share?  and music even if just sharing music, i think we can upload
that as well, i think. my son doesn't write as much as he draws or plays
music. i'm not sure.  i guess we can play it by ear.
>
> i'll try to figure out how to change the moderator and the details and
let you know and maybe we can have other autistic children join in.
>
> i like the logo splashing dolphin.  we also have cds with that our kids
listen to, whale's singing or whatever it is whales the whales are doing,
talking, comminicating singing, whatever it is, is rather moving really.
>
> i'll contact you offlist after i've figured it out.
>
> Thanks..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "livingwithhfa"
<livingwithhfa@y...>
> wrote:
> > hello, the one who wrote was my six year old daughter.  i'm not too
> > sure what she was trying to say.  her and my son and baby and my
> > neice are all autistic. my sister who has shut off for some months
> > now tried to start that group with them awhile back.  there was a
> > list of people they had wanted to invite.  but she has not been very
> > responsive of late.
> >
> > my daughter see things and has all sorts of imaginary friends, she
> > talks some but the others like (my son and neice) do not.  she
> > speaks for them, often. my nephew is also a speaker for the ones
> who
> > can't seem to.
> >
> > my son who is four is appearing to be reading the Torah.  my sister
> > has been as well although she's been in zombie mode for a bit.
> >
> > i'm not to sure why the kids ventured here. they have been surfing
> > the lists for some days now. i think they want someone to run that
> > group or something. to help them manage it or so.  i can't have
them
> > on their own, though,  my kids are only 6 and 4.  and you know
whats
> > being posted here just isn't appropriate for children, no matter how
> > clever they seem to be, they are still only children and i need to
> > supervise where they are going.
> >
> > and we have rape and swearing and lashing out here in this group
so
> > i can't really responsibly continue to let my children post. i have
> > another nephew who is just a bit older who is Aspergic.  perhaps i
> > can get someone here who knows what's going on with these kids-
> > moderate that group and do invites,  on the condition that most of
> > the ones wanting to communicate and reading posts are children.
can
> > an adult/children group exist and how do i begin? i'm not sure how
> > to do this. (keep in mind i'm a mom of three autistic who is also
> > cleaning, cooking, changing diapers and so on and may not have all
> > the time in the world to figure out what my kids are trying to do or
> > say. Sorry it just gets overwhelming.) and i'm just trying to help
> > my kids.  they just are in a place of their own and if i have to
> > give up they ever doing anything 'normal' well maybe this may
make
> > me understand them better.  i already know there is something else
> > going on with them that isn't really mainstream.
> >
> > BTW my sister has been a dog for years.  right now, she's a cat.
my
> > children also bark and meow and chirp.  so being a wolf isn't so
> > strange.
> >
> > but i can't continue to let them visit this list, as with all of
> > them total my kids and my sister and brother they "are only" one
> > eight year old and two six year olds and a four year old plus some
> > of the imaginary friends that i'm almost beginning to believe are
> > quite real but are also children i believe. so i'm actually feeling
> > resposible for the content in material that the imaginary kids could
> > also be reading And if that isn't crazy than i don't know what is.
> >
> > so i don't know where to start as i'm too busy anyway.  i've got
> > three kids all autistic (the youngest is 2 years old) so i can't
> > really be much help to them.  my sister was somewhat but she's in
La
> > La Land right about now, and i'm not sure when she snap back into
> > herself.  she's like on vacation somewhat. her body is here but her
> > mind seems to be elsewhere.
> >
> > i'm not sure the l/f in our family seem to be the thinkers or
> > knowers, and the h/f seem to be more like communicators.  the h/f
> > seem to get more confused and frustrated whilst the l/f seem to be
> > more grounded, unwavering, i'm not sure, just seems that way.
> >
> > they have their own way of communicating. that's for sure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur Golden" <golden@S...>
> > wrote:
> > > I responded to the previous post before I saw this one.  Your
> > syntax -
> > >  way of putting words together - is unusual.  Can you try to
> > clarify
> > > what you mean by "someone to help we cannot do so."
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "livingwithhfa"
> > > <livingwithhfa@y...> wrote:
> > > > autismspirituality@yahoogroups.com this is so correct lin
> > incorrect
> > > > beforenow on post previous.
> > > >
> > > > someone to help we cannot do so
>
>
>
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--- SHARISAJOY@... wrote:
> So, Tom, where is our exchange after I read your post that you
> sent to me before sending to everyone?

My back pain and gimpiness is making me one inefficient autism blogger
these days.  Can you imagine how difficult it is to go a half mile on a
rugged dirt path that's wet and slippery using crutches to simply go to
bed under a tree?  All I can say is thank God for crutches and trees.

My apologies for calling you simply "autistic".  Those of us who know
you, or any pidgeonholed individual, know that they are much more than
that.  They are magnificently human.  You are simply a person with
autism and I respect that.  Like I'm simply a person with cluelessness
and I hope others will respect that as well.

Folks, I still haven't read the past weeks posts but see light at the
end of the tunnel to do so...the library is now open.

Tom


> For the elucidation of other people on the list, this is the
> exchange:
> Dear list,
>
> Here's wishing you a very Happy New  Year.  You all deserve it.  This
> is
> my personal big year thanks to  those wonderful autistics.  I'm
> looking
> forward to it and still don't  have a clue as to what will happen.
>
> Things are in a tortured frenzy for  me here momentarily and I
> haven't
> had an opportunity to read the posts the  past few days except for a
> few.  Did you read Sharisa's thing  today?  She's soooooo autistic.
> I
> love her and will email her even  if she doesn't read my emails.
>
> Happy New  Year,
>
> Smitty
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------
> --- SHARISAJOY@... wrote:
> > Tom,
> > You are so  typical, it doesn't remotely surprise me that you are
> also
> > so
> > clueless!
>
> Did I do something wrong  dear?
>
> Tom
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> Smitty,
> Do you ever do anything right? And, PLEASE, don't call me  dear
> or any other cute terms of endearment.  And oh, just as  an aside,
> my autism doesn't define me, my humanity does, so please
> refrain from referring to me as "an autistic" as well and I  won't
> refer to you by any of the possible terms I might  choose.
> Giving you a few clues as a New Year's gift...
> Sharisa
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
>

Gareth,

This email of Arak's is not only stupid, but it demonstrates the
fascist attitude that has overtaken the West.  They haven't put all of
us in jail yet, but they would if they could if we were to start to
revolt.  Not likely I know.  All with the help their monied male
masters.  Is it any wonder that corporate execs pay has skyrocketed
astronomically in the thirty year era of rad feminism?  Not to mention
the safety of their cushy lives or thier potential harems.  I can't
realy blame them because they are only slaves too.

Great series of emails here from you.  I hate fawning therapeutic, but
I have noticed you being a whole lot more real.  It was worth the hits
we took in my book.  You have to fight them Gareth.  I fought back for
thirty years as they laughed and demeaned me then ganged up to get me
kicked out of my job, even when I was poor with two young children.
Then I watched my generation of men stuffed into jail for double the
amounts of time they used to be sentenced and for a doubling of the
laws aimed directly at errant male behavior.  They increasingly
supported sending us off to war while ripping our jobs off and getting
special male perks and flaunting the power of their sex to dionysian
levels.  They ripped our kids off and then plopped them in front of a
TV or at day care while chasing the perfect orgasm in serial
relationships.  Then they exercised their enormous power to suppress
anything good about their generation of men and accentuating the bad in
the media and public education.  My generation of men was utterly
buried and our youthful dreams and sacrifices demeaned or ignored.
It's a gloomy picture but it happenned and is all documented.  Anyone
taking an honest look at the history of this will do God a favor in His
original warnings about women.  The history of it goes way back but
it's just that the past twenty years that epically demonstrated their
excesses.  The Adam and Eve story has now been flushed out for modern
men to understand.

One last point, they did it all under the mantle of progressivism and
liberalism.  Let me assure you, both went the way of the dodo bird as
soon as they took power on the Left in '72.  They are fascists pure and
simple while the Right's fascist arm strengthenned even more.  The
Right feels so in control that they are now the only source of the
remnants of progressivism and liberalism.  A new era on the Left is
dawning and anti-feminism has to be at the center of it.  Masculism if
you will.  They can keep their jobs and even run things, but with new
masters.

It's late and I can't sleep.  Sciatica runnin all around my brain.

Tom

Fight them Gareth until you are wreathing in pain under a tree like me.


Tom

--- gareth <gtlee1000@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Gareth,

Arak here.

This is it.  I am now reporting you to Yahoo Abuse (seeing as you
may or may not have been kicked off AOL...and if you haven't I'll
make sure you are) and I'm also contacting the authorities about
libel charges against you.

Your ISP is next on my list of people to contact...you would be
rapist and murderer.

Your post about rape is just the kind of thing cops love to see and
I will be forwarding it and your subsequent posts to them.  You need
to be locked up.

Arak /|\

************

Hmm, so mistreess in shiny armour wants me to be stopped from
expressing myself on the internet, when ive already done it, but
failed to lick her pointy shoes after. May i *again* refer anybody
who is paying any attention to the SCUM manifesto, taught in *uni....
oh hell, ive said it all before, just read the damn thing fore you
throw stones. in the 80's, there was a word for people like you....
NIMBY's, thats "not in my back yard".

Just incase the authorities get hold of this, this is the *fourth*
time she has contacted me off list after i have specifically,
expressly, told her not too, (whats that feminist cry
about "ooooooooh, your crossing my boundaries, i cant get you locked
up for this?") hell, maybe i should get a restraining order or
something, stick a few socks down my vest and get a shave.

Grow up.

All the best,
Gareth.





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--- Cheryl Deyalsingh <cheryldeyalsingh@...> wrote:

> And btw I can't see how this has anything to do with feminism.......u
> both  are just trying to skirt the issue here.........

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.  It isn't even a feminist tactic though
it certainly functions that way.  It's a selfish kind of ignorance.

Feminist power is huge and it's maintained by a religious fervor masked
as secularism.  They like having it both ways.  Just look at the
history of feminism the past thirty years.  Only women could get away
with that kind of stupidity and hypocrisy, not to mention the cruelty
to their own men.

Tom




>From: suezee1962@...
>Reply-To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Re: Rape, Tom is my friend and he is trying
to help not cond...
>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:59:41 EST
>
>Power with Feminism???? give me a break....nothing about any of this
has to
>do with feminism . I was making a statement , standing up for myself
,whichever
>gender I may be has no bearings . And what makes you state that "the
>masculist  Gareth  has no power ". If it wasnt for the power of his
postings there
>would not be so much controversy  going on right now.
>        Who are you anyway, Gareth's lawyer?....you two definitely
belong
>together, that much I'll agree on.BTW  This is not the battle of the
sexes either.
>Whether or not gareth is male of female doesnt change the way I feel
about
>his statements.It was his statements that were abusive not mine.It was
only a
>reaction to the revulsion I feel for anyone who can think up the
thoughts he
>did. And where are you Tom? the moderator of this list  to straighten
things out
>when necessary...or are you enjoying this?
>



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--- Judith Lecuyer <tink_lecuyer@...> wrote:
> I would like to hear more on this subject, if we could.  Tom, when
> your
> work with the QIM Tunes guys ended, there was a ten-year time frame
> given that indicated some crucial events were to occur?  --- What was
> supposed to happen with the Tunes documents at this point in time?

The "Tunes" will reverberate through the centuries.  It's kind of like
the Wright Brothers.  They also reinforce the good work others have
done which will also get greater attention and serve as a foundation.
I've read lots of FC's and they are incredibly consistent.  These guys
are as close to the "Source" as any humans on the planet ever,
including Abram, Jesus, Moses or Buddha, but they did a darn good job,
all things considered and were sent, as were we all.  Art is right, we
have run into a multitude of Messiahs.  Facilitators just have the
privilege to allow them voice.  All humanity is changed as a
result...eventually.

> I've had many indicators recently that point to increased unrest and
> disruption within and around the Earth.  I think this is evidenced by
> the increasing earthquake activity and other things.  Art often
> speaks
> of being in the "end times" and I can't help but feel that this
> mother
> Earth is reflecting the discord.  Any thoughts on this?

It depends on how thing go.  The symptoms have escalated since about
1990.  It's a very spiritual time no matter one's optimism or gloom,
but both are valid since it is a critical time.  My reading of the
signs are actually hopeful.  I know many are ignorant of the fact, but
feminism is really the religion and power of the West.  Any paradigm
change will have to deal with that.  There are increasing numbers of
voices like mine and I see it's effects in pop culture already.  Others
are aware not only of the coming change, but are actively positioning
themselves for it.  I like the way it's happenning...peacefully and
rationally.  Men and women were never able to deal with these issues.
It was always God's Way or the Pagan Highway.  God is winning and will
win.

Tom

Char,

That's the spirit!!  Non facilitators, which are the majority here,
will yawn and go to sleep, but it's a huge issue for facilitators who
desparately need the language and ideas to communicate it better to the
yawners.  It's not only about spirituality either, it's about them
hearing the extraordinary gift their kids are and not just the burden.
Let the theologians deal with religion while we deal with the joy.

Tom

--- Charlene Brandl <cbrandl@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Yes, Yes, Yes!!!

Let's get back to interesting discussions like this one.  I can't
imagine
what I would do without the wonderful people on this list who believe
in me
and the kids I love.  I am surrounded by people who don't "get it" and
don't
really want to talk about my far-out theories of what might be going on
here
on earth.  Let's talk!

Char



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--- Graceful Warrior <splashing_dolphin_@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
ooookay... does anyone else find it really weird that I just wrote
about a
similar topic to what the people just before me did, even though I
hadn't
seen that yet until after I'd posted?  hmm...

You will get loads of "er-hmms" with autism, especially if you get
involved with FC.

Welcome to the list.  I'm the Nietzche like owner of the list.

Tom

Hey Art, they are too good to be the Messiah <smile>.  I think we are
talking God here amongst the autistics, or at least in a collective
sense vis a vis whatever the "Source" is.

Tom

--- Arthur Golden <golden@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Some quick thoughts on the message from Judy Lecuyer:

As I think I already mentioned on this group a few weeks ago, nearly
7 years ago, my son Ben stated that something "big" would happen in
the world on January 9, 2004.  Now it is only about 10 days away.

Five days ago, I ended the message to another Yahoo! group with the
following statement:

"I suggest you and others try to learn from these good situations and
work to apply them to the rest of the world, so we can have Tikkun
Olam (the perfection of the World) and the Messianic Age (where my
son Ben states that the Messiah is a person with autism - who else is
really good enough to be the Messiah?)."

Arthur Golden
Jerusalem Israel
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--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Judith Lecuyer"
<tink_lecuyer@e...> wrote:
> I would like to hear more on this subject, if we could.  Tom, when
your
> work with the QIM Tunes guys ended, there was a ten-year time frame
> given that indicated some crucial events were to occur?  --- What
was
> supposed to happen with the Tunes documents at this point in time?
>
> I've had many indicators recently that point to increased unrest and
> disruption within and around the Earth.  I think this is evidenced
by
> the increasing earthquake activity and other things.  Art often
speaks
> of being in the "end times" and I can't help but feel that this
mother
> Earth is reflecting the discord.  Any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks.
> Tink



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--- Arthur Golden <golden@...> wrote:

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Some quick thoughts on the message from Judy Lecuyer:

As I think I already mentioned on this group a few weeks ago, nearly
7 years ago, my son Ben stated that something "big" would happen in
the world on January 9, 2004.  Now it is only about 10 days away.

***************

Tom:  I remember when he first said that, amongst other things he said
at that time.  I was there in a sense since it was when we were first
getting to know eachother through email.  It's significant alright.
Let's share notes, or maybe we won't have to.

Tom

--- acc01b@... wrote:

---------------------------------
You know, Tom, I wish I could have your attitude. Very impressive.
(Heck, I wish we could bottle your attitude and mass-produce enough for
everyone.) Merry Christmas, if a little late.

Tom:  That was the best Merry Christmas this year.  Thanks.

Tom

--- acc01b@... wrote:

> For all the poverty that exists, the average quality of life is high.

In many ways it is, but there are troubling trends and extensive damage
to the quality of life when I was coming up in the Fifties.  Even as a
kid in the early Sixties I could see the growing amorality.  It was
like the society was sick and dangerous because of all it's
international power.  I see now that it was, but am more forgiving
because I also see better the looming dangers of the time.

The society simply got bent because of some vagaries in representative
government combined with the emergence of women into traditional male
activities, increasing "quality of life" if you will.  Penis envy and
structural problems is my diagnosis.  It was all unnatural and
motivated by power and greed.  The society was forgiving and inclusive
of women without all the political dramatics of chivalry and the damsel
but men could only deal with it through religion.  It's their way.  To
truely win, women would have to control religion.  They are almost
there and some have evidence that it's a done deal...in the West that
is.  A female controlled society is ultimately an eventual car wreck.
It's decision time.  How it's done is the only issue for "quality of
life".

OK, I'm tired now and can ignore the pain buzz.  I'm not getting much
sleep these days and have been noticing mental effects.  This is
therapeutic.  Goodnite all and thanks for the indulgence, that is if
you actually read my Nietzchen ramblings.

Tom

--- Charlene Brandl <cbrandl@...> wrote:

>  The
> themes of major changes and little time came up over and over again.


My FCing guys never suggested this directly but it was somehow implied
or interpreted that way by me as well.  The sense I got of it was that
our present orientation and ways of doing things won't cut it for the
challenges ahead.  It was the abortion issue and it's potential, either
directly or indirectly, to wipe certain groups of people off the Earth
with autistics at the top of the list that gave me a clue as to the
nature of the challenges.  They have a very special place in the
functioning of humanity and have for millenium.  Without them we are
dead in the water.  This may not be the only challenge that can bring
us all down, but it helps us understand that there are ethical
decisions looming that will require a new orientation.  That's my take
on the urgency issue.

Tom

--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@s...> wrote:
> Gareth,
>
> This email of Arak's is not only stupid, but it demonstrates the
> fascist attitude that has overtaken the West.  They haven't put all
of
> us in jail yet, but they would if they could if we were to start to
> revolt.  Not likely I know.

************
Its not likely, cause men dont get together like women do, women have
an in built advantage in ganging up.... thats how females naturally
pick on people in school, for example. Besides, we dont need to
revolt, we just need to say yes and no, and mean it. And from a
personal view, i need to *stop being so nice*. (to men and women,
both out of a fear of all sorts, and with women out of a misguided
belief that it will get them into bed. Money does that, and lies, and
fists. Well, fists keep them there, seemingly, fists and abuse.)
*************

   All with the help their monied male
> masters.  Is it any wonder that corporate execs pay has skyrocketed
> astronomically in the thirty year era of rad feminism?  Not to
mention
> the safety of their cushy lives or thier potential harems.  I can't
> realy blame them because they are only slaves too.
>
> Great series of emails here from you.  I hate fawning therapeutic,
but
> I have noticed you being a whole lot more real.

*********
Uhhu
*********

  It was worth the hits
> we took in my book.  You have to fight them Gareth.  I fought back
for
> thirty years as they laughed and demeaned me then ganged up to get
me
> kicked out of my job, even when I was poor with two young children.
> Then I watched my generation of men stuffed into jail for double the
> amounts of time they used to be sentenced and for a doubling of the
> laws aimed directly at errant male behavior.

***********
Like "deadbeat dads", not "deadbeat parents" not paying the child
support, but no punishment for public uteruses living off the state.
***********


   They increasingly
> supported sending us off to war while ripping our jobs off and
getting
> special male perks and flaunting the power of their sex to dionysian
> levels.

*************
Flaunting of their sex, yes. But you are wrong about them supporting
sending us off to war. They are hampering the war machine by getting
involved in it on every concievable level. No, war should be a man
thing, if it should be at all. i know, i know, chauvenistic and all
that, but it is true. Women are weak and suffer stress fractures, and
dracowits has had all urinals removed from one of your aircraft
carriers, incase serving women find them to be oppressive symbols of
male power. Now, im sorry; serving soldiers finding urinals
oppressive! what are they going to do when the bullets start flying?
get pregnant and go home? (yes)

But to my point; Feminism will put soldiers in more compromising
positions, being taught to think about the opponents feelings and all
and dissuading them from being so competetive from the day the poor
boys are born, and so on, but it wont try to start more wars, thats
not their thing.

Oh, and what special male perks have they taken?
************

   They ripped our kids off and then plopped them in front of a
> TV or at day care while chasing the perfect orgasm in serial
> relationships.

************

And then whinging when one of them beats them up, instead of staying
with a decent man in the first place.

*************


  Then they exercised their enormous power to suppress
> anything good about their generation of men and accentuating the
bad in
> the media and public education.

***************
Yes, i see that happening very much.
***************

   My generation of men was utterly
> buried and our youthful dreams and sacrifices demeaned or ignored.
> It's a gloomy picture but it happenned and is all documented.
Anyone
> taking an honest look at the history of this will do God a favor in
His
> original warnings about women.  The history of it goes way back but
> it's just that the past twenty years that epically demonstrated
their
> excesses.  The Adam and Eve story has now been flushed out for
modern
> men to understand.
>
> One last point, they did it all under the mantle of progressivism
and
> liberalism.  Let me assure you, both went the way of the dodo bird
as
> soon as they took power on the Left in '72.  They are fascists pure
and
> simple while the Right's fascist arm strengthenned even more.  The
> Right feels so in control that they are now the only source of the
> remnants of progressivism and liberalism.  A new era on the Left is
> dawning and anti-feminism has to be at the center of it.  Masculism
if
> you will.  They can keep their jobs and even run things, but with
new
> masters.
>
> It's late and I can't sleep.  Sciatica runnin all around my brain.

************
Whats Sciatica?
************

>
> Tom
>
> Fight them Gareth until you are wreathing in pain under a tree like
me.

**************
Um, oh yes, that famous rallying cry.........

Are you back under a tree now man?

Or, if you covered that in another of your posts, i havnt read it yet.

All the best,
Gareth.

--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Judith Lecuyer"
<tink_lecuyer@e...> wrote:
> Gareth, you are loved --- whole bunches.  Choose to shine your
light,
> which you do.  If you could see/feel your soul light the way I do,
the
> way Ben does ....  wish I could show a mirror of it to you; but ah
well
> ;)
> Be at peace.  Feel better today?
>
> Love,
> Tink & Ben


**********

Yeah, that'd be nice, mirror and all. Itd also be nice if women saw
it, and undressed in its manifested Glow :-).

In the mean time, ill just keep saying what i see.

Feeling better? yes, i guess. Often, i get things stuck in my head,
and have great difficulty seperating out that thought based upon
reality from the reality that bothers me, if you follow me.

Like a normal person, but it messes me up.

All the best chicken, P.S happy new year and all that, i got your
card but i was at my parents.......

HAPPY NEW YEAR! Tink and everybody.

Gareth.

Stupid is as Stupid does!

Wouldya like a box o' chocalates?

And Sciatica was that famous Prison in Newyork!

Zoot

--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "gareth" <gtlee1000@a...> wrote:
> --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@s...> wrote:
> > Gareth,
> >
> > This email of Arak's is not only stupid, but it demonstrates the
> > fascist attitude that has overtaken the West.  They haven't put
all
> of
> > us in jail yet, but they would if they could if we were to start
to
> > revolt.  Not likely I know.
>
> ************
> Its not likely, cause men dont get together like women do, women
have
> an in built advantage in ganging up.... thats how females
naturally
> pick on people in school, for example. Besides, we dont need to
> revolt, we just need to say yes and no, and mean it. And from a
> personal view, i need to *stop being so nice*. (to men and women,
> both out of a fear of all sorts, and with women out of a misguided
> belief that it will get them into bed. Money does that, and lies,
and
> fists. Well, fists keep them there, seemingly, fists and abuse.)
> *************
>
>   All with the help their monied male
> > masters.  Is it any wonder that corporate execs pay has
skyrocketed
> > astronomically in the thirty year era of rad feminism?  Not to
> mention
> > the safety of their cushy lives or thier potential harems.  I
can't
> > realy blame them because they are only slaves too.
> >
> > Great series of emails here from you.  I hate fawning
therapeutic,
> but
> > I have noticed you being a whole lot more real.
>
> *********
> Uhhu
> *********
>
>  It was worth the hits
> > we took in my book.  You have to fight them Gareth.  I fought
back
> for
> > thirty years as they laughed and demeaned me then ganged up to
get
> me
> > kicked out of my job, even when I was poor with two young
children.
> > Then I watched my generation of men stuffed into jail for double
the
> > amounts of time they used to be sentenced and for a doubling of
the
> > laws aimed directly at errant male behavior.
>
> ***********
> Like "deadbeat dads", not "deadbeat parents" not paying the child
> support, but no punishment for public uteruses living off the
state.
> ***********
>
>
>   They increasingly
> > supported sending us off to war while ripping our jobs off and
> getting
> > special male perks and flaunting the power of their sex to
dionysian
> > levels.
>
> *************
> Flaunting of their sex, yes. But you are wrong about them
supporting
> sending us off to war. They are hampering the war machine by
getting
> involved in it on every concievable level. No, war should be a man
> thing, if it should be at all. i know, i know, chauvenistic and
all
> that, but it is true. Women are weak and suffer stress fractures,
and
> dracowits has had all urinals removed from one of your aircraft
> carriers, incase serving women find them to be oppressive symbols
of
> male power. Now, im sorry; serving soldiers finding urinals
> oppressive! what are they going to do when the bullets start
flying?
> get pregnant and go home? (yes)
>
> But to my point; Feminism will put soldiers in more compromising
> positions, being taught to think about the opponents feelings and
all
> and dissuading them from being so competetive from the day the
poor
> boys are born, and so on, but it wont try to start more wars,
thats
> not their thing.
>
> Oh, and what special male perks have they taken?
> ************
>
>   They ripped our kids off and then plopped them in front of a
> > TV or at day care while chasing the perfect orgasm in serial
> > relationships.
>
> ************
>
> And then whinging when one of them beats them up, instead of
staying
> with a decent man in the first place.
>
> *************
>
>
>  Then they exercised their enormous power to suppress
> > anything good about their generation of men and accentuating the
> bad in
> > the media and public education.
>
> ***************
> Yes, i see that happening very much.
> ***************
>
>   My generation of men was utterly
> > buried and our youthful dreams and sacrifices demeaned or
ignored.
> > It's a gloomy picture but it happenned and is all documented.
> Anyone
> > taking an honest look at the history of this will do God a favor
in
> His
> > original warnings about women.  The history of it goes way back
but
> > it's just that the past twenty years that epically demonstrated
> their
> > excesses.  The Adam and Eve story has now been flushed out for
> modern
> > men to understand.
> >
> > One last point, they did it all under the mantle of
progressivism
> and
> > liberalism.  Let me assure you, both went the way of the dodo
bird
> as
> > soon as they took power on the Left in '72.  They are fascists
pure
> and
> > simple while the Right's fascist arm strengthenned even more.
The
> > Right feels so in control that they are now the only source of
the
> > remnants of progressivism and liberalism.  A new era on the Left
is
> > dawning and anti-feminism has to be at the center of it.
Masculism
> if
> > you will.  They can keep their jobs and even run things, but
with
> new
> > masters.
> >
> > It's late and I can't sleep.  Sciatica runnin all around my
brain.
>
> ************
> Whats Sciatica?
> ************
>
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Fight them Gareth until you are wreathing in pain under a tree
like
> me.
>
> **************
> Um, oh yes, that famous rallying cry.........
>
> Are you back under a tree now man?
>
> Or, if you covered that in another of your posts, i havnt read it
yet.
>
> All the best,
> Gareth.

Holy Crow!
Is Forrest amongst the trees??
Did you know your name backwards is:  "TO OZ!" ?
And you bring up an excellent point, Zoot.  And doesn't it go along with
"takes one to know one?"  Somethin' like that.

Welcome to the wild, wacky world of the newly and duly revised
autismlist.  The Blog.  Sounds like a sci-fi filum doesn't it?  :D
Your profile, is ... well ... astonishing.   I liked it!  :)
Where is ENLAND?   And you're only 193 years old?  Let's see ..... that
makes you 4 in tree years.  I think my kids would love you.

Oh ... I'm Tink and I've 3 young children.  All with varying abilities
and challenges.  Please stop by again  :)
Blessings and hoot man!

p.s. if the chocolate has caramel ... you're on!

-----Original Message-----
From: ZOOT ZOOT ZOOTIO [mailto:thezootbruno@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:17 PM
To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autismlist] Re: A typically stupid feminist viewpoint, just
recieved in my e-mail.


Stupid is as Stupid does!

Wouldya like a box o' chocalates?

And Sciatica was that famous Prison in Newyork!

Zoot

--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "gareth" <gtlee1000@a...> wrote:
> --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@s...> wrote:
> > Gareth,
> >
> > This email of Arak's is not only stupid, but it demonstrates the
> > fascist attitude that has overtaken the West.  They haven't put
all
> of
> > us in jail yet, but they would if they could if we were to start
to
> > revolt.  Not likely I know.
>
> ************
> Its not likely, cause men dont get together like women do, women
have
> an in built advantage in ganging up.... thats how females
naturally
> pick on people in school, for example. Besides, we dont need to
> revolt, we just need to say yes and no, and mean it. And from a
> personal view, i need to *stop being so nice*. (to men and women,
> both out of a fear of all sorts, and with women out of a misguided
> belief that it will get them into bed. Money does that, and lies,
and
> fists. Well, fists keep them there, seemingly, fists and abuse.)
> *************
>
>   All with the help their monied male
> > masters.  Is it any wonder that corporate execs pay has
skyrocketed
> > astronomically in the thirty year era of rad feminism?  Not to
> mention
> > the safety of their cushy lives or thier potential harems.  I
can't
> > realy blame them because they are only slaves too.
> >
> > Great series of emails here from you.  I hate fawning
therapeutic,
> but
> > I have noticed you being a whole lot more real.
>
> *********
> Uhhu
> *********
>
>  It was worth the hits
> > we took in my book.  You have to fight them Gareth.  I fought
back
> for
> > thirty years as they laughed and demeaned me then ganged up to
get
> me
> > kicked out of my job, even when I was poor with two young
children.
> > Then I watched my generation of men stuffed into jail for double
the
> > amounts of time they used to be sentenced and for a doubling of
the
> > laws aimed directly at errant male behavior.
>
> ***********
> Like "deadbeat dads", not "deadbeat parents" not paying the child
> support, but no punishment for public uteruses living off the
state.
> ***********
>
>
>   They increasingly
> > supported sending us off to war while ripping our jobs off and
> getting
> > special male perks and flaunting the power of their sex to
dionysian
> > levels.
>
> *************
> Flaunting of their sex, yes. But you are wrong about them
supporting
> sending us off to war. They are hampering the war machine by
getting
> involved in it on every concievable level. No, war should be a man
> thing, if it should be at all. i know, i know, chauvenistic and
all
> that, but it is true. Women are weak and suffer stress fractures,
and
> dracowits has had all urinals removed from one of your aircraft
> carriers, incase serving women find them to be oppressive symbols
of
> male power. Now, im sorry; serving soldiers finding urinals
> oppressive! what are they going to do when the bullets start
flying?
> get pregnant and go home? (yes)
>
> But to my point; Feminism will put soldiers in more compromising
> positions, being taught to think about the opponents feelings and
all
> and dissuading them from being so competetive from the day the
poor
> boys are born, and so on, but it wont try to start more wars,
thats
> not their thing.
>
> Oh, and what special male perks have they taken?
> ************
>
>   They ripped our kids off and then plopped them in front of a
> > TV or at day care while chasing the perfect orgasm in serial
> > relationships.
>
> ************
>
> And then whinging when one of them beats them up, instead of
staying
> with a decent man in the first place.
>
> *************
>
>
>  Then they exercised their enormous power to suppress
> > anything good about their generation of men and accentuating the
> bad in
> > the media and public education.
>
> ***************
> Yes, i see that happening very much.
> ***************
>
>   My generation of men was utterly
> > buried and our youthful dreams and sacrifices demeaned or
ignored.
> > It's a gloomy picture but it happenned and is all documented.
> Anyone
> > taking an honest look at the history of this will do God a favor
in
> His
> > original warnings about women.  The history of it goes way back
but
> > it's just that the past twenty years that epically demonstrated
> their
> > excesses.  The Adam and Eve story has now been flushed out for
> modern
> > men to understand.
> >
> > One last point, they did it all under the mantle of
progressivism
> and
> > liberalism.  Let me assure you, both went the way of the dodo
bird
> as
> > soon as they took power on the Left in '72.  They are fascists
pure
> and
> > simple while the Right's fascist arm strengthenned even more.
The
> > Right feels so in control that they are now the only source of
the
> > remnants of progressivism and liberalism.  A new era on the Left
is
> > dawning and anti-feminism has to be at the center of it.
Masculism
> if
> > you will.  They can keep their jobs and even run things, but
with
> new
> > masters.
> >
> > It's late and I can't sleep.  Sciatica runnin all around my
brain.
>
> ************
> Whats Sciatica?
> ************
>
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Fight them Gareth until you are wreathing in pain under a tree
like
> me.
>
> **************
> Um, oh yes, that famous rallying cry.........
>
> Are you back under a tree now man?
>
> Or, if you covered that in another of your posts, i havnt read it
yet.
>
> All the best,
> Gareth.




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I think this is the same person that pretended to be me.

Gareth.


--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Judith Lecuyer"
<tink_lecuyer@e...> wrote:
> Holy Crow!
> Is Forrest amongst the trees??
> Did you know your name backwards is:  "TO OZ!" ?
> And you bring up an excellent point, Zoot.  And doesn't it go along
with
> "takes one to know one?"  Somethin' like that.
>
> Welcome to the wild, wacky world of the newly and duly revised
> autismlist.  The Blog.  Sounds like a sci-fi filum doesn't it?  :D
> Your profile, is ... well ... astonishing.   I liked it!  :)
> Where is ENLAND?   And you're only 193 years old?  Let's see .....
that
> makes you 4 in tree years.  I think my kids would love you.
>
> Oh ... I'm Tink and I've 3 young children.  All with varying
abilities
> and challenges.  Please stop by again  :)
> Blessings and hoot man!
>
> p.s. if the chocolate has caramel ... you're on!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ZOOT ZOOT ZOOTIO [mailto:thezootbruno@h...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:17 PM
> To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Autismlist] Re: A typically stupid feminist viewpoint,
just
> recieved in my e-mail.
>
>
> Stupid is as Stupid does!
>
> Wouldya like a box o' chocalates?
>
> And Sciatica was that famous Prison in Newyork!
>
> Zoot
>
> --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "gareth" <gtlee1000@a...> wrote:
> > --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@s...> wrote:
> > > Gareth,
> > >
> > > This email of Arak's is not only stupid, but it demonstrates
the
> > > fascist attitude that has overtaken the West.  They haven't put
> all
> > of
> > > us in jail yet, but they would if they could if we were to start
> to
> > > revolt.  Not likely I know.
> >
> > ************
> > Its not likely, cause men dont get together like women do, women
> have
> > an in built advantage in ganging up.... thats how females
> naturally
> > pick on people in school, for example. Besides, we dont need to
> > revolt, we just need to say yes and no, and mean it. And from a
> > personal view, i need to *stop being so nice*. (to men and women,
> > both out of a fear of all sorts, and with women out of a
misguided
> > belief that it will get them into bed. Money does that, and lies,
> and
> > fists. Well, fists keep them there, seemingly, fists and abuse.)
> > *************
> >
> >   All with the help their monied male
> > > masters.  Is it any wonder that corporate execs pay has
> skyrocketed
> > > astronomically in the thirty year era of rad feminism?  Not to
> > mention
> > > the safety of their cushy lives or thier potential harems.  I
> can't
> > > realy blame them because they are only slaves too.
> > >
> > > Great series of emails here from you.  I hate fawning
> therapeutic,
> > but
> > > I have noticed you being a whole lot more real.
> >
> > *********
> > Uhhu
> > *********
> >
> >  It was worth the hits
> > > we took in my book.  You have to fight them Gareth.  I fought
> back
> > for
> > > thirty years as they laughed and demeaned me then ganged up to
> get
> > me
> > > kicked out of my job, even when I was poor with two young
> children.
> > > Then I watched my generation of men stuffed into jail for double
> the
> > > amounts of time they used to be sentenced and for a doubling of
> the
> > > laws aimed directly at errant male behavior.
> >
> > ***********
> > Like "deadbeat dads", not "deadbeat parents" not paying the child
> > support, but no punishment for public uteruses living off the
> state.
> > ***********
> >
> >
> >   They increasingly
> > > supported sending us off to war while ripping our jobs off and
> > getting
> > > special male perks and flaunting the power of their sex to
> dionysian
> > > levels.
> >
> > *************
> > Flaunting of their sex, yes. But you are wrong about them
> supporting
> > sending us off to war. They are hampering the war machine by
> getting
> > involved in it on every concievable level. No, war should be a man
> > thing, if it should be at all. i know, i know, chauvenistic and
> all
> > that, but it is true. Women are weak and suffer stress fractures,
> and
> > dracowits has had all urinals removed from one of your aircraft
> > carriers, incase serving women find them to be oppressive symbols
> of
> > male power. Now, im sorry; serving soldiers finding urinals
> > oppressive! what are they going to do when the bullets start
> flying?
> > get pregnant and go home? (yes)
> >
> > But to my point; Feminism will put soldiers in more compromising
> > positions, being taught to think about the opponents feelings and
> all
> > and dissuading them from being so competetive from the day the
> poor
> > boys are born, and so on, but it wont try to start more wars,
> thats
> > not their thing.
> >
> > Oh, and what special male perks have they taken?
> > ************
> >
> >   They ripped our kids off and then plopped them in front of a
> > > TV or at day care while chasing the perfect orgasm in serial
> > > relationships.
> >
> > ************
> >
> > And then whinging when one of them beats them up, instead of
> staying
> > with a decent man in the first place.
> >
> > *************
> >
> >
> >  Then they exercised their enormous power to suppress
> > > anything good about their generation of men and accentuating the
> > bad in
> > > the media and public education.
> >
> > ***************
> > Yes, i see that happening very much.
> > ***************
> >
> >   My generation of men was utterly
> > > buried and our youthful dreams and sacrifices demeaned or
> ignored.
> > > It's a gloomy picture but it happenned and is all documented.
> > Anyone
> > > taking an honest look at the history of this will do God a favor
> in
> > His
> > > original warnings about women.  The history of it goes way back
> but
> > > it's just that the past twenty years that epically demonstrated
> > their
> > > excesses.  The Adam and Eve story has now been flushed out for
> > modern
> > > men to understand.
> > >
> > > One last point, they did it all under the mantle of
> progressivism
> > and
> > > liberalism.  Let me assure you, both went the way of the dodo
> bird
> > as
> > > soon as they took power on the Left in '72.  They are fascists
> pure
> > and
> > > simple while the Right's fascist arm strengthenned even more.
> The
> > > Right feels so in control that they are now the only source of
> the
> > > remnants of progressivism and liberalism.  A new era on the Left
> is
> > > dawning and anti-feminism has to be at the center of it.
> Masculism
> > if
> > > you will.  They can keep their jobs and even run things, but
> with
> > new
> > > masters.
> > >
> > > It's late and I can't sleep.  Sciatica runnin all around my
> brain.
> >
> > ************
> > Whats Sciatica?
> > ************
> >
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Fight them Gareth until you are wreathing in pain under a tree
> like
> > me.
> >
> > **************
> > Um, oh yes, that famous rallying cry.........
> >
> > Are you back under a tree now man?
> >
> > Or, if you covered that in another of your posts, i havnt read it
> yet.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Gareth.
>
>
>
>
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Oh.  Why would you think that?

-----Original Message-----
From: gareth [mailto:gtlee1000@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:20 PM
To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autismlist] Re: A typically stupid feminist viewpoint, just
recieved in my e-mail.


I think this is the same person that pretended to be me.

Gareth.


--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Judith Lecuyer"
<tink_lecuyer@e...> wrote:
> Holy Crow!
> Is Forrest amongst the trees??
> Did you know your name backwards is:  "TO OZ!" ?
> And you bring up an excellent point, Zoot.  And doesn't it go along
with
> "takes one to know one?"  Somethin' like that.
>
> Welcome to the wild, wacky world of the newly and duly revised
> autismlist.  The Blog.  Sounds like a sci-fi filum doesn't it?  :D
> Your profile, is ... well ... astonishing.   I liked it!  :)
> Where is ENLAND?   And you're only 193 years old?  Let's see .....
that
> makes you 4 in tree years.  I think my kids would love you.
>
> Oh ... I'm Tink and I've 3 young children.  All with varying
abilities
> and challenges.  Please stop by again  :)
> Blessings and hoot man!
>
> p.s. if the chocolate has caramel ... you're on!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ZOOT ZOOT ZOOTIO [mailto:thezootbruno@h...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:17 PM
> To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Autismlist] Re: A typically stupid feminist viewpoint,
just
> recieved in my e-mail.
>
>
> Stupid is as Stupid does!
>
> Wouldya like a box o' chocalates?
>
> And Sciatica was that famous Prison in Newyork!
>
> Zoot
>
> --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "gareth" <gtlee1000@a...> wrote:
> > --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@s...> wrote:
> > > Gareth,
> > >
> > > This email of Arak's is not only stupid, but it demonstrates
the
> > > fascist attitude that has overtaken the West.  They haven't put
> all
> > of
> > > us in jail yet, but they would if they could if we were to start
> to
> > > revolt.  Not likely I know.
> >
> > ************
> > Its not likely, cause men dont get together like women do, women
> have
> > an in built advantage in ganging up.... thats how females
> naturally
> > pick on people in school, for example. Besides, we dont need to
> > revolt, we just need to say yes and no, and mean it. And from a
> > personal view, i need to *stop being so nice*. (to men and women,
> > both out of a fear of all sorts, and with women out of a
misguided
> > belief that it will get them into bed. Money does that, and lies,
> and
> > fists. Well, fists keep them there, seemingly, fists and abuse.)
> > *************
> >
> >   All with the help their monied male
> > > masters.  Is it any wonder that corporate execs pay has
> skyrocketed
> > > astronomically in the thirty year era of rad feminism?  Not to
> > mention
> > > the safety of their cushy lives or thier potential harems.  I
> can't
> > > realy blame them because they are only slaves too.
> > >
> > > Great series of emails here from you.  I hate fawning
> therapeutic,
> > but
> > > I have noticed you being a whole lot more real.
> >
> > *********
> > Uhhu
> > *********
> >
> >  It was worth the hits
> > > we took in my book.  You have to fight them Gareth.  I fought
> back
> > for
> > > thirty years as they laughed and demeaned me then ganged up to
> get
> > me
> > > kicked out of my job, even when I was poor with two young
> children.
> > > Then I watched my generation of men stuffed into jail for double
> the
> > > amounts of time they used to be sentenced and for a doubling of
> the
> > > laws aimed directly at errant male behavior.
> >
> > ***********
> > Like "deadbeat dads", not "deadbeat parents" not paying the child
> > support, but no punishment for public uteruses living off the
> state.
> > ***********
> >
> >
> >   They increasingly
> > > supported sending us off to war while ripping our jobs off and
> > getting
> > > special male perks and flaunting the power of their sex to
> dionysian
> > > levels.
> >
> > *************
> > Flaunting of their sex, yes. But you are wrong about them
> supporting
> > sending us off to war. They are hampering the war machine by
> getting
> > involved in it on every concievable level. No, war should be a man
> > thing, if it should be at all. i know, i know, chauvenistic and
> all
> > that, but it is true. Women are weak and suffer stress fractures,
> and
> > dracowits has had all urinals removed from one of your aircraft
> > carriers, incase serving women find them to be oppressive symbols
> of
> > male power. Now, im sorry; serving soldiers finding urinals
> > oppressive! what are they going to do when the bullets start
> flying?
> > get pregnant and go home? (yes)
> >
> > But to my point; Feminism will put soldiers in more compromising
> > positions, being taught to think about the opponents feelings and
> all
> > and dissuading them from being so competetive from the day the
> poor
> > boys are born, and so on, but it wont try to start more wars,
> thats
> > not their thing.
> >
> > Oh, and what special male perks have they taken?
> > ************
> >
> >   They ripped our kids off and then plopped them in front of a
> > > TV or at day care while chasing the perfect orgasm in serial
> > > relationships.
> >
> > ************
> >
> > And then whinging when one of them beats them up, instead of
> staying
> > with a decent man in the first place.
> >
> > *************
> >
> >
> >  Then they exercised their enormous power to suppress
> > > anything good about their generation of men and accentuating the
> > bad in
> > > the media and public education.
> >
> > ***************
> > Yes, i see that happening very much.
> > ***************
> >
> >   My generation of men was utterly
> > > buried and our youthful dreams and sacrifices demeaned or
> ignored.
> > > It's a gloomy picture but it happenned and is all documented.
> > Anyone
> > > taking an honest look at the history of this will do God a favor
> in
> > His
> > > original warnings about women.  The history of it goes way back
> but
> > > it's just that the past twenty years that epically demonstrated
> > their
> > > excesses.  The Adam and Eve story has now been flushed out for
> > modern
> > > men to understand.
> > >
> > > One last point, they did it all under the mantle of
> progressivism
> > and
> > > liberalism.  Let me assure you, both went the way of the dodo
> bird
> > as
> > > soon as they took power on the Left in '72.  They are fascists
> pure
> > and
> > > simple while the Right's fascist arm strengthenned even more.
> The
> > > Right feels so in control that they are now the only source of
> the
> > > remnants of progressivism and liberalism.  A new era on the Left
> is
> > > dawning and anti-feminism has to be at the center of it.
> Masculism
> > if
> > > you will.  They can keep their jobs and even run things, but
> with
> > new
> > > masters.
> > >
> > > It's late and I can't sleep.  Sciatica runnin all around my
> brain.
> >
> > ************
> > Whats Sciatica?
> > ************
> >
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Fight them Gareth until you are wreathing in pain under a tree
> like
> > me.
> >
> > **************
> > Um, oh yes, that famous rallying cry.........
> >
> > Are you back under a tree now man?
> >
> > Or, if you covered that in another of your posts, i havnt read it
> yet.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Gareth.
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith [mailto:qim@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:09 AM
To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Re: Autism & Eschatology
--- Arthur Golden <golden@...> wrote:
-
As I think I already mentioned on this group a few weeks ago, nearly
7 years ago, my son Ben stated that something "big" would happen in
the world on January 9, 2004.  Now it is only about 10 days away.
***************
Tom:  I remember when he first said that, amongst other things he said
at that time.  I was there in a sense since it was when we were first
getting to know eachother through email.  It's significant alright.
Let's share notes, or maybe we won't have to.

Tom

From Tink:
*****I would like to share some 'notes' if I may.  It's about a window
of events from 12/5/03 - 1/20/04 that came out of some work I was doing
with Ben on the board, and my other 2 children as well.  Originally, we
had come upon a date of 12/16/03 for a significant event.  However, I'm
not super at translating dates/numbers as they come distorted to me.
However, I did notice an increase in seismograph activity that started
12/15/03, actually with a significant earthquake out of Russia.  Around
this time, the kids were all spinning in sequences and doing a lot of
ball bouncing.  I've also noted from Ilana's post ... as well as other
group boards .. that many children and adults are feeling the effects of
increased geomagnetic and electromagnetic activity (anxiety,
nervousness, some increases in seizure activity, increased depression,
increased confusion, insomnia, ruminating on one's place in the
Universal structure, etc.)

Well, the series seemed to follow suit into California and then
reverberated across the world into Iran.  My 6 yo son seems to tune into
volcanic activity, so I've been watching this.  There is a large
volcanic plateau (sic?) on a Russian range which has become increasingly
active.  There have been other messages from Ben thru the board and via
his videos and music which seem to correspond.  I've needed some help in
translating some of his board work though, because it is somewhat
encoded (very much like the Tunes, Tom!)

There is ever so much more ... but I'm just not sure how much or what to
share here!
Then, all of this got me to thinking about how we must drop all of the
"ism" and "ist" language.  Such as feminist and masculist.  And attempt
to become more "one" ... unified.   We can play the blame game for
eternity and stay stuck where we're at.  Or we can work on looking at
"how" do we free ourselves as a people ... no longer enslaved by our
narrow minded isms.  I don't know.  I was reminded of some poetry by a
couple of outstanding individuals who happen to be autistic.  I would
like to include the links here, and ask those of you who have read
Jeffrey Powell to do so again .... and those who haven't to please do
so.  And then I would respectfully ask for some dialogue around their
poetic viewpoints and the relationship to our current them of Autism and
Eschatology.  I feel both of these poems reflect what may currently be
occurring with earth shifts and volcanoes, as well as the unity of man &
woman as true spirit.

Jeffrey Powell's "In Jupiter's Realm Waiting"
http://soeweb.syr.edu/thefci/6-4ric.htm#JUPITER'S    and

"Quiet By The Edge of Dreams"
http://soeweb.syr.edu/thefci/6-4ric.htm#QUIET

I thank you all kindly for the forum and the serious attention to this
issue.

Blessings,
Tink, Orion, Ben & Sarah

DEAR CARRIE,

  1) EXPLAIN TO HIM ON A SOUL LEVEL WHAT YOU EXPECT HIM TO DO AND WHY.  2)
OFFER A CONCRETE REWARD THAT IS MOST MEANINGFUL FOR HIM FOR PARTICIPATION IN A
RITUAL THAT YOU DEEM NECESSARY.  FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL,  IT WILL BE DIFFERENT.  3)
  BE CONSISTENT IN DETERMINING A FORMAT OR ROUTINE WHEN THIS EXPECTED BEHAVIOR
IS TO OCCUR.  4) BE TRUSTWORTHY IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION OF A REWARD.  IF THE
INTERVALS CHANGE, BE CAREFUL IN EXPLAINING THE CHANGES IN THE CONTRACT IF THEY
ARE TO OCCUR. 5) CAREFULLY SCRUTINIZE WHAT IS OCCURRING AND WHY.  BE CAREFUL
OF EVER UNDERMINING TRUST BY CHANGING THE VARIABLES.  VARIABLES CAN BE CHANGED
BUT ONLY UNDER CAREFUL EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY ARE BEING CHANGED AND WHAT THE
NEW EXPECTATIONS ARE.  autismlist@... HE NEEDS TO KNOW THE
GAME PLAN IN ADVANCE.  YOUR CHILD MUST KNOW THAT YOU ARE HERE TO ASSIST NOT TO
CONTROL.  HUMBLE YOURSELF AND HE  WILL DUALLY RESPOND.  SLOWLY CUT AWAY HIS
DIAPER OR PULL-UP RATHER THAN REMOVE IT ALL AT ONCE.   ALWAYS MOLD RATHER THAN
DEMAND.  GAINS ARE MADE IN INCHES NOT YARDS.  IF YOUR CHILD KNOWS YOU ARE ONE
WITH HIM, HE WILL BE MOVE IN TANDEM WITH YOU.  IF HE FEELS HE IS ON HIS OWN, HE
MAY FALL BACKWARD OUT OF ANXIETY AND FEAR.  WALK WITH YOUR CHILD.    DEMANDS
DO NOT WORK.  SERVE AS HIS BENEVOLENT ASSISTANT INSTEAD.  FOR TOGETHER, HE
WILL FEEL HE CAN DO ANYTHING.  ALONE HE IS OVERCOME BY FRENZY. THINK OF
YOURSELVES AS ONE ENTWINED ENERGY SIMILAR TO HOW YOU FELT WHEN YOU CARRIED HIM.

GOOD LUCK!

MARY ANN

Mary Ann, a public school teacher with decades of experience with
children with autism, has written an excellent explanation of how to
help Carrie's young child with autism, which should work at any age.
I hope Carrie will take it to heart and try to implement these
suggestions.

I believe that the educational philosophy contained in this
explanation is found in several other successful programs for persons
with autism, including the Boston Higashi School and the Pisgat
Yehuda program.  However, I think that such an educational philosophy
would conflict with a program designed by a behavioral psychologist.
Although Carrie has searched the internet for help with autism at
least over the past three months, I doubt that she found this
explanation so clearly stated now by Mary Ann.  If it can be found
elsewhere, I would like to know!

Art



--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, tttime@a... wrote:
DEAR CARRIE,

1) EXPLAIN TO HIM ON A SOUL LEVEL WHAT YOU EXPECT HIM TO DO AND WHY.

2) OFFER A CONCRETE REWARD THAT IS MOST MEANINGFUL FOR HIM FOR
PARTICIPATION IN A RITUAL THAT YOU DEEM NECESSARY.  FOR EACH
INDIVIDUAL,  IT WILL BE DIFFERENT.

3) BE CONSISTENT IN DETERMINING A FORMAT OR ROUTINE WHEN THIS
EXPECTED BEHAVIOR IS TO OCCUR.

4) BE TRUSTWORTHY IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION OF A REWARD. IF THE
INTERVALS CHANGE, BE CAREFUL IN EXPLAINING THE CHANGES IN THE
CONTRACT IF THEY ARE TO OCCUR.

5) CAREFULLY SCRUTINIZE WHAT IS OCCURRING AND WHY.  BE CAREFUL
OF EVER UNDERMINING TRUST BY CHANGING THE VARIABLES.  VARIABLES CAN
BE CHANGED BUT ONLY UNDER CAREFUL EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY ARE BEING
CHANGED AND WHAT THE NEW EXPECTATIONS ARE.  HE NEEDS TO KNOW THE
GAME PLAN IN ADVANCE.  YOUR CHILD MUST KNOW THAT YOU ARE HERE TO
ASSIST NOT TO CONTROL.  HUMBLE YOURSELF AND HE  WILL DUALLY RESPOND.
SLOWLY CUT AWAY HIS DIAPER OR PULL-UP RATHER THAN REMOVE IT ALL AT
ONCE.   ALWAYS MOLD RATHER THAN DEMAND.  GAINS ARE MADE IN INCHES NOT
YARDS.  IF YOUR CHILD KNOWS YOU ARE ONE WITH HIM, HE WILL BE MOVE IN
TANDEM WITH YOU.  IF HE FEELS HE IS ON HIS OWN, HE MAY FALL BACKWARD
OUT OF ANXIETY AND FEAR.  WALK WITH YOUR CHILD.    DEMANDS DO NOT
WORK.  SERVE AS HIS BENEVOLENT ASSISTANT INSTEAD.  FOR TOGETHER, HE
WILL FEEL HE CAN DO ANYTHING.  ALONE HE IS OVERCOME BY FRENZY. THINK
OF YOURSELVES AS ONE ENTWINED ENERGY SIMILAR TO HOW YOU FELT WHEN YOU
CARRIED HIM.

GOOD LUCK!

MARY ANN