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Re: [Autismlist] Fw: WAPADH Communication Training Workhops

Hi Mary Ann,

Everyone who have done FC extensively has an opinion on the nature of this "mystery" and some prefer not to worry about it but to just use FC to enhance the clients lives and improve their behaviors.   Not to mention that it is a treat for the facilitator!  But the fact is that to even acknowledge this "mystery" requires discovering it for yourself which means going thorugh the whole process of FCing.  There's definitely different stages in this process.  So if you tell someone what you think is happening, they new facilitator has to believe you.  They won't believe it until they sort it out for themselves.

We have discussed all this in detail here so the word is essentially out for those who want  to know more and they won't want to know more until they do it themselves.

As for the ethics, the main problem there is how the method is used functionally.  The official FC people feel they have themselves covered there by "Biklin's protocol" which I admit seems to have disappeared from the net or anyhere else.  Darlene has also stated recently that she would be happy to explain all this but know one asks her!  She is also mortified that the method is being abused in this way. 

I'd suggest writing Sharisa or Crossley and ask them what they are doing about it.  OK, Sharisa and I are great freinds so I will ask her and get back to you or maybe she will read this and respond...but she's kind of busy so I wouldn't plan on that.

Oh, I just remembered, Sharisa herself used the method this way but she went through the "Biklin protocol"

Tom

--- On Sat, 5/30/09, tttime@... <tttime@...> wrote:

From: tttime@... <tttime@...>
Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Fw: WAPADH Communication Training Workhops
To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:01 PM

Tom,
 
I don’t know Darlene, but if she truly aware of what I am aware of, than it is wrong not to share that information.  Although I agree with you, Char, Art, possibly Darlene and other well intentioned people on “many” aspects of FC or “agent dependent” (made up term by me) typing.  I strongly believe it is highly unethical not to share the possibility of influence, particularly in workshops with unsuspecting parents.
 
To my knowledge, most of you have done “agent dependent” typing. To fully understand something20outside of your sensory and conceptual reality, you must experience it. I have! I became adept at switching many kids from facilitation to selecting pictures or hitting the keys without support.  It was easy for me. What I soon found out is that more influence occurs during those transcriptions than when support is provided. (Just look at the intent look on most of the peoples faces sitting next to them. A few come to mind are proficient enough to look relaxed during the process. I understand that too because I could do it too with clients I knew well.) That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t incorporated as a strategy, just be honest about what you are doing and “why”. I certainly have tried to share it with the “current” and ever changing powers that be including those of you on his list over the years.  Yet, I still stand-alone! !
 
I know many people remain naïve.  Some however, I fear purposefully refuse to look at the truth, even allowing these types of communications to be allowed in a court of=0 Alaw.  To me, that is morally irreprehensible. This magnificent gift that many of us have been privileged to experience has turned into a “money making” distortion of truth.  Misrepresenting this method of communication to parents and the media without full disclosure its benefits and its limitations is wrong.  Speaking half-truths to make these experiences more palatable to the masses may keep funding going, but it has injured many autistic individuals and their caregivers.  
 
Nothing has moved forward because “noted” proponents keep walking the same path.  Detractors in response keep spouting the same rhetoric.  Neither side can get beyond the concept that the information is either coming from the person typing or the facilitator.  Neither scenario adequately explains the anomaly. It is time for the people to band together and lead and then the leaders may follow or disappear! These magnificent individuals deserve the same standards of science as anyone else. Scientists need to explore the difficult questions and=0 Aeliminate what is not valid and further explore what is.  Only by eliminating what doesn’t work will we be left with something valid to explore?
 
My imagination has been stretched to the maximum to try and comprehend what I have plainly experienced not something that is not there.  It has not blinded me to more realistic possibilities.  I have always explored practical explanations, particularly those related to subtle or even unconscious cuing.  The phenomenon remains unexplainable and under explored: particularly when trying to explain it using the limitations of our sensory-based reality.   Current brain imaging technology, I suggest might help unscramble some of the mystery.
 
I don’t believe it is typically what we perceive as telepathy.  These individuals are at the forefront of proving an evolving form of telepathy even exists.  But without honesty and further study it is difficult to come up with a term people can understand. I can only try to explain by saying it feels like a blending of consciousness where disconnected channels are suddenly all on the same wavelength.  It is a semi-conscious loving hypnotic connection where each individual blends with the other in a universal dance of subconscious thought.
 
In addition I can also send conscious messages through direct intention. (During this process, I do not believe these individuals randomly read my mind, rather they are participating in a form of direct communication when I “send” out a signal and they agree to answer.  Not much different from a telephone call.
 
One last time.  in my opinion, to knowingly, not speak information picked up through extreme sensitivities and/or nonsensory channels and the effect it can have on communications is UNCONSCIONABLE! !!!!!!!!!  I am willing to stand alone as long as it takes!

Thanks Tom for your offer to send people my way. I feel like I'm in the same band but interpreting the music differently. 

Take care,
Mary Ann
 
We are at the very beginning of time for the human race. It is not unreasonable that we grapple with problems. But there are tens of thousands of years in the future. Our responsibility is to do what we can, learn what we can, improve the solutions, and pass them on.
 
Richard Feynman




-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Smith <qim@...>
To: autismlist@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, 30 May 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Fw: WAPADH Communication Training Workhops



Hi Mary Ann,

Darlene is well aware of the same things you are but she just lays low on the stuff.  She uses FC well in her programs but does try to do the independent stuff with certain students.

You may very well be right about one thing and that is you may be better at teaching this stuff than she is.  I may be as well.  Char too.  It goes on and on.  Oh yeah, Art!  He even has a sophisticated team working with him and is way ahead of the curve on the spiritual stuff.  I encourage one and all to advertise about their FC services here.  I have no doubt it's the best thing for autistics since Kanner.

Do me a favor and start advertising your services here.  I've worked with you longer and more directly so I would prefer to refer folks to you.

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, tttime@... <tttime@...> wrote:

From: tttime@... <tttime@...>
Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Fw: WAPADH Communication Training Workhops
To: autismlist@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 3:02 PM

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Tom,

In my opinion, you still don't get it nor does Darlene Henson or apparently anyone else.  You are seeing or just "admitting" to a small portion of the phenomena.  If you don't believe me after all these years, why can't the myriad of so called independent typers need a partner in their close proximity? How many years must I watch this charade?  If someone is in the Milwaukee area, I will show you for free, but I will be totally honest!  I will show you as much about the process as I can, including the increase not decrease of influence that occurs  when the student is hitting the keys by himself. 

Sorry!  Just tired of banging my head against the wall! I have seen nothing move forward and it sickens me! Others  have ranted enough now it is my turn!

Mary Ann

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: [Autismlist] Fw: WAPADH Communication Training Workhops



I know Darlene and this workshop is the most effective thing you could do with your autistic chil d or client.  It beats every other treatment or communication form while helping make more productive other treatments and communicaitons you are now doing.  It's worth every penny even if you have to travel thousands of miles.

Tom

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Darlene Hanson <darlene@darlenehans on.com> wrote:

From: Darlene Hanson <darlene@darlenehans on.com>
Subject: WAPADH Communication Training Workhops
To: "Tom" <qim@...>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:43 AM

 


WAPADH Communication Services
 

 
 
 
Communication Training Workshops
June 30 - August205, 2009


Skill Building Series

There are two different series available. The Introductory Training is for those who are just beginning to change the way they communicate and want to learn how to provide support. We will instruct based on best practice. Participants will learn how to provide support, and fade support for more efficient communication. We will also cover how to develop your skills as a communication partner.

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For those who have been supporting others to communicate for some time we are offering the Intermediate Skill Building Training. In this series we will work toward gaining communication and physical independence. Participants will also learn to build their team and train new communication partners. Both series will present information and allow for time to work together on communication as you learn new information. So this training is both informationa l and hands-on!

Participants can register as a team with one communicator and one support person. We also would20like to make either series available to those who would like to attend without a communicator and observe the process of training. People do find this useful. Finally, if you would like to come as an "individual" however want to have someone to practice with let us know and a Communication Advocate would be available to work with you.

Who should come... speech and language specialists, teachers, parents, service providers, persons who don't speak...

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Tom, In my opinion, you still don't get it nor does Darlene Henson or apparently anyone else.  You are seeing or just "admitting" to a small portion of the...
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Hi Mary Ann, Darlene is well aware of the same things you are but she just lays low on the stuff. She uses FC well in her programs but does try to do the...
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Tom,   I don’t know Darlene, but if she truly aware of what I am aware of, than it is wrong not to share that information.  Although I agree with you,...
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OOPS!!! Paragraph 2 To my knowledge.................have "not" done agent....... Sorry!  A little omission like "not" can make a huge difference. I apologize ...
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OOOOOPS!!!! Paragraght 2 Line 1 To my knowledge, most of you have "not" done agent dependent typing. Sorry!!!!!!! ... OOOOOPS!!!! Paragraght 2 Line 1 To my...
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Hi Mary Ann, Everyone who have done FC extensively has an opinion on the nature of this "mystery" and some prefer not to worry about it but to just use FC to...
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I am reading the posts and (of course) giving this topic lots of thought.  I like what you have to say, Tom.  But I am confused on this:    "Darlene has...
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