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Re: [Autismlist] expectations for persons with "low-functioning autism?"

I currently work with a girl who has autism and mental retardation, as well as some seizure activity.

While I do not doubt that she is smart, she does not have "superior intelligence," and she does not read or show any interest in using the computer. I do think that FC should be attempted in many cases, but such a blanket statement is ridiculous.

-Janna, who also worked with a boy who was a HFA and had mental retardation

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Arthur Golden <golden@...> wrote:
You are invited to go to:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/autismfc/message/1733

and read through message #1737 (including a message each from Char
Brandl and Tom Smith) and join in a public open discussion about the
question I posed of:

expectations for persons with "low-functioning autism?"

Please note that my 36 year-old son Ben, nonverbal with "low
functioning autism" facilitated his answer of:

"All LFAs without exception have superior intelligence and it
will be agreat tragedy if they are not allowed to show it
through full support FC."

Arthur Golden of Jerusalem Israel




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You are invited to go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/autismfc/message/1733 and read through message #1737 (including a message each from Char Brandl... 		Arthur Golden
arthur_golden
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
5:54 am

I currently work with a girl who has autism and mental retardation, as well as some seizure activity. While I do not doubt that she is smart, she does not have...
Janna Hoskin
janna_louise
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
6:21 am

Janna, Thank you for expressing your personal opinion, which I presume is largely based on your own experience and is in reply to the very limited information...
Arthur Golden
arthur_golden
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
8:10 am

Hi Janna, It's understandable you having these doubts but many of us who have FC'd our tails off in bygone times have no doubt that what Ben says here is on...
Tom Smith
qim
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
6:29 pm

Oh, this girl talks. She doesn't read (but loves to be read to and memorizes her favourite books). As I said, she has mental retardation. I didn't say she...
Janna Hoskin
janna_louise
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
6:34 pm

Alright I'm game.  How can you be smart and have mental retardation too? Tom ... From: Janna Hoskin <janna@...> Subject: Re: [Autismlist]...
Tom Smith
qim
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
7:52 pm

Hi Art, Ben,?Char, Tom, Janna First of all I certainly agree with Ben on the intelligence issue.?My own friends with autism have been quick to point that out....
tttime@...
arringt
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
9:47 pm

Mary Ann, This is an excellent theoretical proposal for what is happening with severe auties.  It conforms pretty well with what my auties said in the...
Tom Smith
qim
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
10:36 pm

Tom, Thanks!? Mary Ann? ... From: Tom Smith <qim@...> To: autismlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [Autismlist]...
tttime@...
arringt
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
11:19 pm

I was wondering the same thing.  Are we maybe dealing with a difference in terminology between Canada and the U.S.?  Or do you mean she tests in the retarded...
Char Brandl
Charbfc
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
10:37 pm

It could be either or both. The HFA boy I worked with had a "block" for some things. He was really smart in a lot of things, reading above his age level and...
Janna Hoskin
janna_louise
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
11:01 pm

Janna, Thanks for the excellent explanation.  I am thinking that both of these individuals sound like many of the people who have been able to use FC to...
Char Brandl
Charbfc
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
1:15 am

I don't think FC would actually work for L; as I said, I don't think we've come across her prime method of communication yet. I rather think it's beyond words,...
Janna Hoskin
janna_louise
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
1:26 am

This has happened to me with so many of the kids I've worked with, usually completely nonverbal.  They stare deeply into my eyes (so much for poor eye...
Char Brandl
Charbfc
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
2:22 pm

Aye; I've said it before, and I'll say it again: eye contact doesn't need to be "taught" or "forced" - just develop an actual relationship with a person, and...
Janna Hoskin
janna_louise
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
9:09 pm

Char, I am a little confused with your response to Janna. ? I showed you that the kids can receive information through non sensory channels.? I am not sure I...
tttime@...
arringt
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
11:17 pm

I meant to have people join in the public open discussion on the autismfc group, but instead I have started an interesting discussion here on the autistlist...
Arthur Golden
arthur_golden
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
4:08 am

The reason my message on autismfc didn't go to the full group is that I'm not a member. I'm not about to join a group just to post *one message*, but I felt...
Janna Hoskin
janna_louise
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
9:06 pm

Janna, How about this?  We like you and value your insights! Besides, the list is usually pretty quiet and you can always ignore the chatter that doesn't...
Char Brandl
Charbfc
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
9:35 pm

Janna, I often ask myself the same question, but I hope you will stay.?Everyone needs to keep an open mind?and respect the ideas and perspective of other...
tttime@...
arringt
Offline Send Email 		Nov 11, 2008
11:42 pm

I just sent this email to Janna Hoskin: Janna, I think it is very important that everyone who wishes to help persons with autism try to work together and help...
Arthur Golden
arthur_golden
Offline Send Email 		Nov 12, 2008
12:51 pm

Relax Janna, we all love you and have appreciated your work and participation here.  As for why you are here, you sense as we all do how loving and important...
Tom Smith
qim
Offline Send Email 		Nov 13, 2008
11:20 pm
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