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--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Tink" <tink_lecuyer@v...> wrote:
> Hi ... getting back to this a bit late. Took a bit to think on &
absorb
> ;o)
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> Subject: [Autismlist] Regarding keith Chandler and Mental Realism
>
>
> Hi Tink,
> I wrote this a few years ago when I first read it. I guess I
am as long
> winded and rambling as he is.
> One thing I would ad, is that my perception of telepathy has
evolved a
> little further since I wrote this
> to include the possibility of a third personality being formed
when two
> souls or energies are joined together. As I've said many times,
when I feel
> I am joining or receiving, it is as if it is a shared writing.
>
> *** Yes ... it is like becoming a different "consciousness" and
would have
> to agree that while felt as being formed into a "third" ... I'm
believing
> that this feeling State is really being connected with what I
would just
> call "God's" level. Maybe wrong .. but it's just my view.
> In the article by Keith Chandler, much of what he said, I do
agree
> with. Some nuances I'm not sure of. My terminology, however,
would be
> different. Where he uses scientific terms, I might use
metaphysical
> approximations.
> In regard to savant syndrome, I agree that it is possible
that they are
> tapping into the energy systems of others, (memory) and some may
also be in
> touch with a higher level of consciousness where all information is
> available. (Universal cognitive field) It is not beyond my belief
system
> that they access the spirit realm. Many students with severe
autism I feel
> are also intellectual and spiritual savants but because of their
significant
> language, movement, and sensory issues, the untrained eye does not
recognize
> them.
>
> **** Different soul levels for different work and purpose, yes.
>
> It seems that my students align with my energy field in a
way that
> allows them to feel comfort. It is a form of entrainment that
enables them
> to subdue their own chaotic flow and lower their vibration to a
level that
> balances their knowing to a point where they can access their non-
ending
> stream of consciousness in a more organized fashion. It allows
them to
> flow. During simple image sending, like I demonstrated on the
tape,
> (behavioral forms without content) Like Chandler, I feel that they
are
> accessing my knowledge base. (Memory) Often, I am purposefully
sending the
> word or image as a prompt just like any other prompt in the hopes
of
> eventually fading it. I sense that some, but not all, individuals
are
> capable of both processes.
> Coming from a higher level of consciousness where all
information is
> instantaneous and non-dependent on sensory channels seems to be
their
> reality. When I set a dominant rhythm, my students may easily
entrain to my
> frequency because they are not equipped with an ego centered
sensory
> dependent reality. (Biographical modes and representation) Union
is a more
> natural process for them. Patience, love, acceptance, respect of
competency
> creates an atmosphere of safety and calm. Quick pace of
instruction,
> stimulus response type that helps create flow. (Offer waves and
> electromagnetic waves) Blood flow to certain areas of the brain
might also
> be encourage by this process as opposed to one that involves
inactive
> listening that does not demand a response. During meditation,
years ago, I
> received the term reticular activating system. (Just thought I
would throw
> that in there. It is totally subjective and I don't know if
i I
> speculate they may have easier access to altered states as their
filtering
> devices, brain and sensory systems, are impaired. I sense that at
an early
> age a massive interruption in normal processing forced them back
into a
> dream like state.

i think they were created and evolved as are for good reason

The right brain is suddenly forced to try and take over
> left brain function resulting in the incredible gifts and deficits
we see.
> Abnormal head growth seen between age one and two may be signaling
this
> process. I also believe there is a difference between
individuals who
> may have exhibited normal sensory processing during infancy to
those who
> exhibit patterns from birth. Maybe the later never properly
pruned in the
> final stages of embryonic state. Since I am off topic, I would
also like
> to mention that maybe autism is more prevalent or at least
recognizable
> among males due to that fact that wom
> ***** oopsee ... there's a part missing here! "due to the fact
that wom
> .... " ?
>
> Most of us start life from ego sensory-based reality, and some
eventually
> strive for union or oneness with all there is. (Meditation) People
with
> autism and other significant sensory impairments seem to start
from the
> reality of oneness and strive for ego. I connect along the way,
as we
> assist each other in the process. They raise my understanding of
mystical
> states as I increase their understanding of the language structure
of an ego
> based sensory reality. Does it work? Is it useful? I don't know,
but I
> would like to think so.
>
> ***** Yeah .. i'm pretty sure that at least with Ben, he knows
exactly where
> that "center" is ... he can move in and out of what you're terming
the
> "mystical" state at will. He just prefers to spend a majority of
his time
> *in* that state. We compromise a lot for the sake of daily living
and its
> complexities. For the most part, I also believe that coming to
Earth in
> this form is purposeful. When you write about the "chaotic" flow,
I'm in
> agreement that for some it's chaotic. Some not. This is what Ben
does of
> late to help me know when he wants or needs me to be "higher"
or "lower" in
> energy tandem. For higher .. he'll push me to sit with legs
crossed, back
> straight, and arms extended up with palms flat and pressed
together -
> fingertips up. I'll work on breathing as was taught in the past
for
> meditation and in minutes [sometimes seconds ]I'll lose awareness
of body.
> If he needs "lower" ... then he will take my hands and show
me "push" hands
> apart and down on the ground. So, then he needs lots of touch and
> hand/over/hand doing. And we work a lot on the big green vinyl
medicine
> ball for body pressure. This is very newer work on his part -
mainly in
> past 3 months. So, as he matures in development all around, he is
getting
> better at directional for me! lol [ i sure need it!]
> I like to read Rupert Sheldrake every so often ... he's done a lot
of
> validation work regarding telepathy in general human populations
and other
> animals. Here is something written that really grooves right into
your
> theory on alignment! This will feel real good for you ... it's
*very*
> validating to your work!!!! :oD
>
> "Sheldrake often uses the analogy of a vibrating string: if you
put two
> pianos together and hit the C note on one piano, the same string
will start
> vibrating in the other piano. The two strings vibrating together
is called
> morphic resonance, the one string causing the other to vibrate is
analogous
> to formative causation (because the form or pattern of one string
is causing
> or evoking the same form or pattern in the other)."
> http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/books/kosmos/excerptA/part1.cfm
>

the string on piano B pulled the vibration from piano A -- and the
Player -- into the future with it

for company!

and all 3 lived happily ever after

**** I read this post very early Saturday morning and as the day got busy,
didn't have a chance to reflect on it with Ben. I was struck by the above
and found myself reflecting on "happily ever after" as only a product of
fairy tales. Thinking that until there is a place in the world for children
like my Ben and acceptance of him as he is ... then "happy endings" will
remain fairy tale fodder. He more than likely will not achieve speech and
has acknowledged this in some personal ways. He prefers to not incorporate
traditional "FC" into his structure. And that's okay. In some ways, it's
probably his failsafe for the future. Tom experienced this many times with
the men from QIM tunes work - some things, concepts, ideas, and people just
will *NOT* be validated. I don't know 100%. Even those who have spent a
great deal of time with Ben and are completely convinced of his "competence"
and/or "cognition" as well as his spiritual level ... waver in their own
doubts on occasion. He usually doesn't mind, but I worry about his future
too. Where will his place be? Who will have "room" in their dissonance for
him. No wonder he sits in his room, turns his back to the door, and slams
the door shut sometimes. He gets enormously frustrated, tho, with the
validation issue. We can run around squawking "we believe in *these*
children!" "We believe in FC!" "We believe in what 'they're' saying!" We
believe! But, then run around spouting stupid validation theories. Sorry -
am close to a rant. Let's leave it here:

So, as I'm thinking about fairy tales ... we pack ourselves up and go the
store. Ben loves the Save-A-Lot because there is a $1 video tape bin and
usually have the capacity to let him choose a couple. At check out .. he
flies over to the bin and starts rummaging through - tapes clacking and
clattering - flying all over. He comes up with a couple. One was a
Beatrix Potter tale of Tom Kitten and Jemima Puddle Duck. The other -
"March of the Wooden Soldiers" with Laurel and Hardy. I loved this one a
kid ... all the good scary stuff too. Bogey men! oooo. So, we get home and
before even coat and "shoes off!" ... he pulls it out of the bag and wants
in on now! lol He futzes with it a bit ... notes the MGM Lion ... and
looks at a few scenes. I leave him alone with it as he puts it on FF
searching for something. He comes to get me in a few minutes, takes my hand
.. freeze frame .. points onto the TV screen. All this to make a point.
LOL The words say:

"And they lived happily ever afterward. THE END."
This relates directly to this:

"the string on piano B pulled the vibration from piano A -- and the
Player -- into the future with it

for company!

and all 3 lived happily ever after"

> *** Now the other aspect that 'struck' me here was even though the
two
> strings are vibrating in harmony - the "C" note remains a "C"
note. So, it
> leaves open the interpretation of "two becoming three" ...

yah like the yin/yang symbol appears dual but is actually triune
(left sphere, right sphere, and bounded circumference extending into
the partitioning S-wave)

**** Yes .. the perception is that of "3" - but what "3" actually *is*
becomes the key question. Maybe infinity. "8" ...


>
> from link with:
> http://www.sheldrake.org/index.html
> Morphic Fields and Morphic Resonance
>
>
> As far as the ancient mind goes, I remember reading some of
Julian
> Jayne's work on the bicameral mind that made sense.

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"
(1976) is a slim and concise exploration of the evolution of egoic
structures from a collective matrix, towards what analytical
psychology calls the individuating self

jaynes is interested in the differences in quality of consciouness
in the paleolithic vs the neolithic, right down into the bronze age

it's been awhile since i read it, here's a nice summary from

http://www.accampbell.uklinux.net/essays/skeptic/jaynes.html

Jaynes's central idea is that our modern type of consciousness is a
recent development; indeed, that it began no more than 3,000 years
ago. In earlier times human mentality was characterized by auditory
and sometimes visual hallucinations, in which people heard the
voices of the gods speaking to them and telling them what to do.
Only when this process became internalized and recognized as coming
from within the percipients' own minds did truly modern
consciousness begin. The minds of 'preconscious' humans were split
in two (the 'bicameral mind'), probably as a result of a
dissociation between the left and right hemispheres of the brain.
Jaynes finds evidence of this in Homer's Iliad, in which the
characters continually receive orders and advice from various
deities.

[jeez, sounds a bit like tom smith in qim tunes . . . so many
deities, so little time!]

***** I can't remember who quoted in the Tunes "Do not deify us" ...
...

Hitherto Jaynes has been almost unique in suggesting that
consciousness might be a very recent development, but he is no
longer entirely isolated; others seem to be coming to similar
conclusions. One such is the psychologist Nicholas Humphrey,
although he approaches the subject from a different angle. In an
article entitled 'Cave Art, Autism, and the Evolution of the Human
Mind' (in the Journal of Consciousness Studies, 199, vol. 6, pp. 116-
143), Humphrey draws attention to the striking similarities in style
and technique that exist between the cave paintings of the Upper
Palaeolithic and the drawings of an autistic girl called Nadia. She
lacked language almost completely, yet starting in her third year
she produced a series of remarkable drawings, mainly of horses and
other animals, that were technically far superior to those of normal
children. The subjects are shown in motion, using perspective and
foreshortening, and often in three-quarter profile. Nadia was, of
course, quite untutored as an artist; as she grew older and began to
acquire some language the quantity and quality of her drawings fell
off to some extent although not completely. There have been other
autistic children who have shown unusual drawing ability, though
probably none has been as remarkable as Nadia. There are also cases
in which artists suffered brain damage leading to dementia yet their
art became freer and more original (see Mell JC, Howard SM, Miller
BL, Art and the brain: the influence of frontotemporal dementia on
an accomplished artist. Neurology 2003;60:1707-10).
There are numerous similarities both in content and in technique
between Nadia's drawings and those of the cave artists. Both, for
example, are mainly concerned with animals, which are depicted with
impressive naturalism and realism, generally in activity rather than
at rest. Both also show certain idiosyncrasies, such as a tendency
for figures to be drawn haphazardly on top of one another. Both,
again, show chimeras - features from different kinds of animals
combined into one figure. Humphrey concedes that these resemblances
may mean nothing, but what if they do mean something?

**** Yes. What if ...

Many people who have commented on Nadia's astonishing drawings have
concluded that there was a link between her artistic skill and her
inability to speak. Humphrey, too, favours this view, and he wonders
whether it tells us something about the mentality of the cave
painters. It is often assumed that the extraordinary skill evinced
by these unknown artists indicates that they had essentially modern
minds and full use of language; in other words, they were very
similar to ourselves. But the case of Nadia shows that this is not
necessarily true. If Nadia could draw in spite of lacking language,
so could they.

***** For the sake of Nadia and others, let's note that "language" is not
synonymous with "speech" and shouldn't be taken as such.

Perhaps, however, Nadia's case tells us something even more
surprising. It may mean that someone with a modern mind and full
linguistic ability cannot draw in this spontaneous way at all;
perhaps the possession of language is an actual barrier to that kind
of art. It is certainly a remarkable fact that there was a long time
gap between the cave paintings and the re-emergence of art in Egypt
and Mesopotamia, and moreover the art of these civilizations is
quite different from what preceded it. The new art is rigid, non-
naturalistic, lacking perspective. When naturalistic painting and
the use of perspective were rediscovered, in the Italian
Renaissance, these skills were no longer spontaneous but required
long training and practice for mastery. This suggests that the cave
artists were functioning in a different way from us today, and that
something happened between their time and our own. Was
this 'something' the development of modern language?


many quotes in qim tunes address the various elements involved in
human consciousness and its development, including what are termed
in the tunes "eminences," probably analogous to jung's archetypes or
plato's ideals

the text by Humphrey is apparently available online in pdf, i
haven't read it yet, but he's on the right track in connecting some
otties, at least, with the paleolithic "frame of mind"

a major advance in consciousness would slingshot off the primordial
condition, the fundament -- progress via regression (from which, u
gessed it, a third thing emerges, a synthesis of collectivity and
individuation, very hegelian-dialectish, which is one reason why
hegel is mentioned so prominently in the tunes i xpect)

jaynes and humphrey are helpful for our rationalistic age, but if i
wanted to know about the origins of consciousness, i'd ask a "retard"

:O)

***** "Jed's idiots" ;o)

Day after day, alone on the hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool.
And he never gives an answer .....

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

Well on his way, his head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices, talking perfectly loud.
But nobody ever hears him,
Or the sound he appears to make.
And he never seems to notice .....

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

And nobody seems to like him,
They can tell what he wants to do.
And he never shows his feelings,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.



Cuts to the core, don't it?

And when the morning of the warning's passed
the gassed and flaccid kids
are flung across the stars
The psychodramas and the traumas gone
the songs are left unsung
and hung upon the scars

And then along comes Mary!
And does she wanna see the stains
the dead remains of all the pains
she left the night before?

Or will their waking eyes reflect the lies and make them realize
their urgent cry for sight no more?

(T. Almer)

**** we are the sleepwalkers in a suspended dream. You won't hang up his
song on the scars.

*~* Ben