I didnt read all your post remarksman, i think debbie's ok from the
few posts i (and you) have read.

I found your post to be needlesly offensive, i think your being a
dick.

Only thing is i dont know what "promise keepers" are.... if they are
like feminist Klu Klux clan (what a stupid name for a suposedly
fearsome organisation that is, why not call emselves nigger bashers
or something? maybe it means something in latin perhaps) then maybe i
need to re-read it.

San.







--- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "remarksman" <remarksman@y...>
wrote:
> --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, "Debi" <fightingautism@y...>
> wrote:
> > I'm a men's advocate, too.
>
> bull
>
> > I advocate the rights of men to be men.
>
> shit
>
> > On of the best things to happen in a long time in my op was the
> > Promise Keeper's that told men to be men, and women were not
> > allowed. I think it was great.
>
> you mean those little boys who all fall together on their knees in
> football stadiums, begging forgiveness from their WOMEN?!
>
> heee-heeeee!
>
> v appropriate, as She has become their, uh, "god"
>
> the Bad Old Days are here again . . .
>
> and they call themselves Christians!!
>
> LOL!
>
> old habits are hard to break, most guys never got mommy and the
> goddess-grovelling outta their systems
>
>
>
> > My hubby has four brothers and I love
> > being around his family and appreciate their gender very much.
> >
> > However, stating that a man's part should be removed because of
> him
> > using it to violate a woman isn't cutting at a man; it's cutting
> at
> > his behavior.
>
>
> oh, yah, NOW i see!
>
> so mister bobbit is currently missing his "behavior," hmm?
>
> LOL!!
>
>
> > I for one *love* my man, and his parts, lol. He is the
> > first to state his agreement that similar actions should be done
> to
> > a man who would violate a disabled woman, but that also comes
from
> > having 3 daughters who he loves dearly and feels his masculine
> role
> > as their protector.
>
>
> then he serves vengeance, the matriarchal beast, and all the
> rationalizations in the world change nothing
>
> either god handles the vengeance, or Woman and her State do
>
> there's no in-between, and we see in america the results of the
> latter
>
>
>
> > Stating that some of the men in my life failing
> > to be fathers isn't a cut at men; it's a cut at the failures of
> > parenthood, which for their instance, was the masculine role. I
> > noted in my postings that it goes for both men and women, but in
> my
> > personal experiences, with the exception of my half-brother, the
> > parenting abandonment came from the fathers.
>
>
> hardly surprising given your stated ownership of children
>
>
> > That again isn't
> > downing a man, it's cutting the failure of the parenting that
> > happened to be a man.
>
> sure cupcake, just like your "cutting off the behavior" dodge!
>
> LOL!
>
>
> > And, I'm sure you would agree, your love for
> > your children and their need for you is the most important, not
> the
> > ex.
>
> no, i wouldn't agree
>
> trying to serve god is "the most important," and when i place my
> will ahead of that, i am lost and so is my country
>
>
> My friend with her son Andrew tried everything to get the father
> > to be a part of her son's life. He just didnt' want to. That
isn't
> > because he is a man (if you can call him that) but because he was
> a
> > bad parent. It would be the same if the roles were reversed.
> >
> > It's about the kids and the disabled, not the sexes.
>
>
> nupe, it's about the sexes, and always has been, purty much from
> Word go
>
> advocating blood-vengeance for the sake of "the kids" or "the
> disabled" is an attempt at inciting emotion, so that you, your
> hubby, and others like you can feel o.k. about usurping god's
> authority
>
> its been a v effective ploy for a v long time
>
> but time's about up
>
>
> > I agree that
> > the current societal trends are geared toward the demise of male
> > advocacy.
>
> in the west, there IS no "male advocacy" -- not in government, not
> in law, not in the denominations, not in the media, not nowhere
nohow
>
> that is V bad news not only for males, but for females too
>
> if women really loved their kids as much as they trumpet, they
> wouldn't constantly seek to empower themselves and disempower men
> and boys
>
>
> > I think it's a shame what our culture attempts to do to
> > men, but having penalties for behaviors and pointing bad
parenting
> > is not the problem. Rape isn't a man's behavior, it's a monster's
> > behavior.
> >
> > Debi
>
> oh yah, the man=monster agitprop yet again
>
> how very supremacist of you!
>
> abu ghirab, baby, abu ghirab
>
> howz that for "monsters"??
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In autismlist@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@s...> wrote:
> > > Remarksman (ray) and I are long time men's advocates. It's new
> to
> > most
> > > people and there's many misunderstandings when we advocate.
> > Remarksman
> > > and I are well accustomed to abuse from some quarters when we
> > advocate.
> > >
> > > Liz's response was over the top, but what's new? The original
> > posts on
> > > the tragedy of family breakups is shared by remarksman and I,
> but
> > few
> > > are aware that it is the moms doing 70% of the breakups and the
> > > crushing oppression father's suffer in divorce. I was one of
> them
> > that
> > > got hit the worse but the great majority of fathers in breakups
> > get hit
> > > pretty bad even if the mom is cooperative. I "stuck it out"
> like
> > many
> > > fathers do and we know that it is best to do, not only for the
> > kids,
> > > but for the dads. Hopefully some day the story of what us
> fathers
> > go
> > > through will be told and appreciated. Mrs Doubtfire comes to
> mind
> > but
> > > the culture is not geared to take seriously the plight of men
and
> > > fathers. I've stated here many times what I think is causing
> this
> > > neglect. It's totally political and goes to an imbalance of
> > advocacy
> > > between the sexes.
> > >
> > > We've been over this ground many times on the list and don't
> really
> > > need to go there too much.
> > >
> > > Tom