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Re: Jobs & AT Students

Dr. Alvarez and group:

This paragraph from your recent email is rather disturbing to me and I was
left with one important question in my mind - what exactly IS your job as an AT
educator if it is not to prepare students that are employable???? You seem
to contradict your first statement by stating later that "our job is to
prepare athletic trainers, plain and simple." Which is it?

As a long time practicing clinician in athletic trainer, a long-time
educator (albeit in the secondary school setting), and a long-time BOC examiner
I have grown increasingly concerned with the quality of students I am seeing who
are being allowed to take the BOC exam.

In a recent discussion with a program director her in SC I lamented the fact
that it seems like we are producing more and more prospective ATs who are
being taught to the test and have limited ability to think on their feet and
make appropriate decisions when they don't have cut and tried information about
the situation.

I hear a lot of explanations (excuses??) about why this is. The BOC argues
that its job is to provide an exam that measures a student's minimum
competencies and that it is the responsibility of the ATEPs to insure students
are well qualified. ATEP directors and instructors argue (as you have done in
your post) that it's not their job to produce employable ATCs, but rather just
to educate them. The profession argues that we should be accepted and employed
solely as athletic trainers in ANY professional setting we choose to become
involved in and then we wonder why other established or emerging allied
health care professions become annoyed with us.

To that degree, I agree wholeheartedly with your closing comment, "I
continue to be concerned at the voices calling for further adjustments to our
curriculum to reflect the number of graduates who find positions in the clinical
setting. Let's make sure we know why they are getting those positions before we
change our profession to something none of us recognize nor care about."

As I have very publicly noted in previous published writings, our profession
is becoming far to convoluted. A profession cannot establish a foothold
unless it stands still long enough for the public to recognize exactly what our
profession is.

To this end, and this is where I disagree most with your earlier statement,
I believe it is a PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of AT educators to use their
positions as educators AND mentors to students to TEACH them in a way that
reflects this important concept.

Respectfully,

Jim Berry, MEd, ATC, SCAT, NREMT
Director of Sports Medicine Services
Head Athletic Trainer
Myrtle Beach High School
3302 Robert M. Grissom Parkway
Myrtle Beach, SC 29577
843-445-2051 (Office)
843-445-2026 (Fax)
email: MBTrainer@...

To repeat what others have said,
requires education;
to challenge it, requires brains.

--Mary Pettibone Poole,
A Glass Eye at a Keyhole, 1938







Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:14 pm

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Great comment. In our program we are seeing an increase in the number of students wishing to use the ATEP as a route to PT school, and, with the increased...
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I think we all need to consider one thing here. Only 8-9% of all FT placements in athletic training are in the collegiate setting. Our job as educators is to...
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Jun 27, 2006
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I think we need to be very cautious with this logic. I believe it was Dr. Schrader who asked the question "are our graduates getting placement in...
Paul Alvarez
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Jun 30, 2006
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I shouldn't use the term "useless" because nothing we learn can be called useless information. I should have said relevent to what athletic trainers are using...
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Dr. Alvarez and group: This paragraph from your recent email is rather disturbing to me and I was left with one important question in my mind - what exactly IS...
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I believe I am correctly recalling reading that less than 50% of recent graduates are pursuing a career in Athletic Training after graduating from an ATEP. Our...
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Greetings, Forgive me for stepping on my soapbox but I have numerous educational and professional questions I feel face the profession. These are intended to ...
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Here's another thought, regarding athletic trainers doing research- in which athletic training positions can research be done? Consider this- who has the TIME,...
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Mary- I think you have a good point, however, if you are interested in doing research I'd suggest that you partner up with an ATC who is in the college setting...
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Every clinician, regardless of setting, should be a researcher. Advances in clinical practice are made through critically examining the research that has been...
Bonnie VanLunen
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Group: I would like to inquire how programs are planning to prepare their students for the new BOC examination format. In addition, what media based resources...
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Mary makes a good point regarding resources. I commend her for mentioning the "GOOD" research as many of us may produce but not produce well. We have research...
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Dear All, I usually sit back and watch the verbal "bantering", but this one is too good to pass up....so here are my two cents.... I feel that Mark Gibson's...
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I view it not so much that we need to throw out or replace the training in a "traditional" setting for another setting, but that we need to be sure that...
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Mr. Berry makes a good point, but I philosophically stand by my statement. As an educator, I am not here to respond to the latest market trends in the health...
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