When I plot revenge against someone or something that wrongs me, I
allow that person to consume my thoughts.
In effect,I make that person my defacto "Higher Power".
As the origional string to this topic said "Only strive to get even
with somwone whom has shown you a kindness".
To all others I try to practice the Serenity Prayer & The Lords
Prayer.
As I have often heard in meetings by many wise people, \that when
wronged, Pray for that person, until the urge for retibution goes
away.
Jim C.

"The only people you should ever want to get 'even' with are those who have
helped you."
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He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
pass himself; for every man has need to be forgiven.
- Thomas Fuller

Contemplating revenge is allowing someone who has harmed you continue
to do so. Jim C.

Hi;

Here in the midwest we say "No good deed goes unpunished"<G>

Gary

Hey, folks! I ain't goin' away, or anything like that! I'll just not
be posting, quite as often!!! I love Y'all, too much, to leave!!!
Heck! I tried that, already! It just didn't work!!! LOL!!!

Oh! BTW!! Here's what's been going on, with us, around "Cowtown", the
last couple of days!!!

http://webpages.charter.net/drthumbtack/newscast11.html

Open the page, and follow the instructions!!! You have to watch most
of the newscast, to see all the footage, they shot, of our "Family",
at the Waffle-House, on Monday night!!! Unfortunately, I cannot cut
out the commercials!!!They show our grandson, "Scooter", near the
beginning of the newscast, and, later, near the middle, they do
a "Feature" on Grannyvada's workplace! That's her, cookin' th' grits,
and "Scooter" & Whitly, in th' booth! The truckdriver and his wife
used to live, in our front bedroom!!!

Sorry, but I gotta go!

"Doc"

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

--- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "ANIL HARIPERSAD"
<anilhar@s...> wrote:
> Hi there Doc.
>
> You will be missed! Sometimes I feel the same way, and I just read
the
> postings without replying. And then something strikes and no matter
how
> busy I am, I just reply. Even if it means to leave my work for half
an
> hour- you know I'm not a typist! When you feel like hopping in,
just do,
> and I sure all here love you just as much as when you did post.
>
> There will always be that special bond, I feel it through my bones.
> When I hug members, they know that IS love. And I feel the same way
with
> this group. I'm ever so grateful I joined, although, don't ask me
where
> I picked this group up. In fact, at first I thought it was for women
> only! And remember the time when I WAS mistaken for a woman!
>
> You will be in my prayers, Doc, and I agree that it is the most
> powerful medium to successful living. I truly believe now that GOD
made
> ALL possible. My faith in GOD is forever growing, and I cannot
thank HIM
> more.
>
> You will be in my thoughts, Doc. And all of you too.
>
> Love
> Anil
>
>
>
> >>> drthumbtack@n... 2003/02/26 01:04:55 AM >>>
> Howdy, Y'all!
>
>
> I want all Y'all to know, that I do REALLY love Y'all, more than I
> can express, in written words, but, I am going to have to cut back,
> on the amout of time, that I spend, online, which means, that I
will
> be posting a LOT less, than My usual infrequent messages! I regret
> this, but, for a time, it will be necessary, due to time
constraints
> and health problems! Right now, though, with the stress of trying
to
> get a new business off the ground, in addition to the normally high
> stress level, that I live with, it's just too much for me! I do,
and
> will continue to, read the posts, each day, and, our prayers will
be
> with all Y'all!!! Just want Y'all to know, that this cutback is
> forced on me, by my present circumstances, which I am trying to
turn
> around! I ask that Y'all do remember us, in your prayers, for I
feel,
> that prayer is the strongest force, in the Universe, and, we most
> certainly need all the help we can get!!! I'll be posting this, in
> all my clubs, so that folks won't get the idea, that I am ignoring
> them, for that is NOT the case!!! I love Y'all too much, to ignore
> your messages! It's just that right now, I cannot respond! I do
hope,
> that everyone understands, and doesn't get angry or hurt, by my
> seeming inattention! It's not the way it seems!
>
> Much LOVE and ((((( HUGS! ))))),
> to all my Recovery brothers and sisters!
>
> Danny "Doc" F. - Living, today, and loving life! (Thanks, God!)
>
>
>
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I like this .  "The only people you should ever want to get 'even' with are
those who have
helped you."
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Hi there Doc.

You will be missed! Sometimes I feel the same way, and I just read the
postings without replying. And then something strikes and no matter how
busy I am, I just reply. Even if it means to leave my work for half an
hour- you know I'm not a typist! When you feel like hopping in, just do,
and I sure all here love you just as much as when you did post.

There will always be that special bond, I feel it through my bones.
When I hug members, they know that IS love. And I feel the same way with
this group. I'm ever so grateful I joined, although, don't ask me where
I picked this group up. In fact, at first I thought it was for women
only! And remember the time when I WAS mistaken for a woman!

You will be in my prayers, Doc, and I agree that it is the most
powerful medium to successful living. I truly believe now that GOD made
ALL possible. My faith in GOD is forever growing, and I cannot thank HIM
more.

You will be in my thoughts, Doc. And all of you too.

Love
Anil



>>> drthumbtack@... 2003/02/26 01:04:55 AM >>>
Howdy, Y'all!


I want all Y'all to know, that I do REALLY love Y'all, more than I
can express, in written words, but, I am going to have to cut back,
on the amout of time, that I spend, online, which means, that I will
be posting a LOT less, than My usual infrequent messages! I regret
this, but, for a time, it will be necessary, due to time constraints
and health problems! Right now, though, with the stress of trying to
get a new business off the ground, in addition to the normally high
stress level, that I live with, it's just too much for me! I do, and
will continue to, read the posts, each day, and, our prayers will be
with all Y'all!!! Just want Y'all to know, that this cutback is
forced on me, by my present circumstances, which I am trying to turn
around! I ask that Y'all do remember us, in your prayers, for I feel,
that prayer is the strongest force, in the Universe, and, we most
certainly need all the help we can get!!! I'll be posting this, in
all my clubs, so that folks won't get the idea, that I am ignoring
them, for that is NOT the case!!! I love Y'all too much, to ignore
your messages! It's just that right now, I cannot respond! I do hope,
that everyone understands, and doesn't get angry or hurt, by my
seeming inattention! It's not the way it seems!

Much LOVE and ((((( HUGS! ))))),
to all my Recovery brothers and sisters!

Danny "Doc" F. - Living, today, and loving life! (Thanks, God!)



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Howdy, Y'all!


I want all Y'all to know, that I do REALLY love Y'all, more than I
can express, in written words, but, I am going to have to cut back,
on the amout of time, that I spend, online, which means, that I will
be posting a LOT less, than My usual infrequent messages! I regret
this, but, for a time, it will be necessary, due to time constraints
and health problems! Right now, though, with the stress of trying to
get a new business off the ground, in addition to the normally high
stress level, that I live with, it's just too much for me! I do, and
will continue to, read the posts, each day, and, our prayers will be
with all Y'all!!! Just want Y'all to know, that this cutback is
forced on me, by my present circumstances, which I am trying to turn
around! I ask that Y'all do remember us, in your prayers, for I feel,
that prayer is the strongest force, in the Universe, and, we most
certainly need all the help we can get!!! I'll be posting this, in
all my clubs, so that folks won't get the idea, that I am ignoring
them, for that is NOT the case!!! I love Y'all too much, to ignore
your messages! It's just that right now, I cannot respond! I do hope,
that everyone understands, and doesn't get angry or hurt, by my
seeming inattention! It's not the way it seems!

Much LOVE and ((((( HUGS! ))))),
to all my Recovery brothers and sisters!

Danny "Doc" F. - Living, today, and loving life! (Thanks, God!)

Thanks, Jim.

I too had an uphill climb with surrendering. I just thought that I
could go back to the social drinking. Now I have my two feet firmly
planted here in Alcoholics Anonymous. I never want to go back there.
Makes me wonder, with all that pain and suffering, how could I ever go
back there. As you mentioned that each one of us has a tailor made
bottom. I am so grateful that mine was not as bad as some members. And I
am constantly reminded by the word "YET".

Talking of gratefulness, I mentioned to a member yesterday that prayer
is always answered. An example like, when you get up in the morning with
a pain in your leg, don't think that your last nights prayer was not
answered. Your prayer was answered, and made your pain a little more
acceptable. Imagine you got up and found that your leg was paralyzed! BE
GRATEFUL.

Love
Anil



>>> jimnctltx@... 2003/02/25 01:30:43 AM >>>
Until I reached my bottom, surrendering to my addiction was
impossible.

Until I surrenderd, acceptance of the 1st Step could not happen.

Until I worked the 1st step, recovery was not something I really
wanted. Yes I had long known that I had a problem, I just didn't want
to stop. Oh Yeah, I told those around me what they wanted to hear. I
went to treatment,prison, jail, meetings & all the other things, but
I just wasn't willing to stop.No matter the cost of continuing. Even
after I wanted to stop, I just didn't want to bad enough to do what
had to be done."SURRENDER!!!!!"

My bottom came 7 years into a 35 year prison sentence.It was not my
1st trip.

We all have our bottoms, custom tailored to each of us. As we stumble
about through our disaters others say "if that is not a bottom what
is?"

Even the mixing up of the shot of dope that killed my wife was not my
bottom.

The outsiders don't & can't fathom why so many of us go on to the
bitter end. We Know.

As we attend our meetings we are ever reminded.

Of the truth to "CUNNING, BAFFLING POWERFUL!!"

Jim C. a GRATEFUL RECOVERING ADDICT< (JUST FOR TODAY)


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God bless you Jim.  My bottom was pretty ugly....but, that's what it
took for me to surrender, so, I thank God and thank you for the
reminder.

Hugs
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--- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "Jim C. <jimnctltx@y...>"
<jimnctltx@y...> wrote:
> Until I reached my bottom, surrendering to my addiction was
> impossible.
>
> Until I surrenderd, acceptance of the 1st Step could not happen.
>
> Until I worked the 1st step, recovery was not something I really
> wanted. Yes I had long known that I had a problem, I just didn't
want
> to stop. Oh Yeah, I told those around me what they wanted to hear.
I
> went to treatment,prison, jail, meetings & all the other things,
but
> I just wasn't willing to stop.No matter the cost of continuing.
Even
> after I wanted to stop, I just didn't want to bad enough to do
what
> had to be done."SURRENDER!!!!!"
>
> My bottom came 7 years into a 35 year prison sentence.It was not
my
> 1st trip.
>
> We all have our bottoms, custom tailored to each of us. As we
stumble
> about through our disaters others say "if that is not a bottom
what
> is?"
>
> Even the mixing up of the shot of dope that killed my wife was not
my
> bottom.
>
> The outsiders don't & can't fathom why so many of us go on to the
> bitter end. We Know.
>
> As we attend our meetings we are ever reminded.
>
> Of the truth to "CUNNING, BAFFLING POWERFUL!!"
>
> Jim C. a GRATEFUL RECOVERING ADDICT< (JUST FOR TODAY)

Until I reached my bottom, surrendering to my addiction was
impossible.

Until I surrenderd, acceptance of the 1st Step could not happen.

Until I worked the 1st step, recovery was not something I really
wanted. Yes I had long known that I had a problem, I just didn't want
to stop. Oh Yeah, I told those around me what they wanted to hear. I
went to treatment,prison, jail, meetings & all the other things, but
I just wasn't willing to stop.No matter the cost of continuing. Even
after I wanted to stop, I just didn't want to bad enough to do what
had to be done."SURRENDER!!!!!"

My bottom came 7 years into a 35 year prison sentence.It was not my
1st trip.

We all have our bottoms, custom tailored to each of us. As we stumble
about through our disaters others say "if that is not a bottom what
is?"

Even the mixing up of the shot of dope that killed my wife was not my
bottom.

The outsiders don't & can't fathom why so many of us go on to the
bitter end. We Know.

As we attend our meetings we are ever reminded.

Of the truth to "CUNNING, BAFFLING POWERFUL!!"

Jim C. a GRATEFUL RECOVERING ADDICT< (JUST FOR TODAY)

Thanks Jim- kind of gives a different perspective on life.  Makes me stop and
think, and wonder just how many disastrous days have been a blessing I just
didn't recognize.  Hugs, Pat
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From: "Jim C. "
2. The Gift
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:22:29 -0000
From: "Jim C. "
Subject: Re: Hey!!

--- There comes a time in all our drinking careers we have the door
to sobriety opened to us. Whether or not we go through is up to us.
It helps so much to have someone who has gone before to take our hand.

You have been given a great gift, that is the chance to point the way
to Greg. Savor it & learn from it.
Jim



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 01:26:36 -0000
From: "Jim C. "
Subject: The Gift

This has been a week of serenity wrecking events. My composure has
been tested to the limits, or so I thought.

It started with a friend trashing a computer I had loaned her.

Then my favorite waitress advised me she was going to have a career
change. Not that many cuties flirt with me any more so I found that
upsetting,to say the least.

I blew out a tire in the rain in the middle of nowhere only to find
Nisson lied about there being a jack on top of the spare.

A friend in the program happened by & gave me a ride to the house to
find a jack, he also taught me I was still capable of fear, I pray I
never have to ride with him again.

Taking off,with the spare on I realized my glasses where misiing.
Turned around & returned to the scene of the flat & found them, ran
over.

Someone used my yard as a drive but bogged down & broke my water
pipe. Had to dig & dig to find the leak, again in the mud.

As I sat in my porch swing playing with Susie the lap cat, drinking a
good cup of coffee & waiting for the glue to dry I realized that this
is the first time in 20 years that the anniversary of my wife's death
has passed without me going into deep depression, & winding up
getting real crazy.

I feel now all the disaters this week might have been "Gifts from
God" meant to keep my mind off of it. Jim C



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Kathy, I was just talking to a fellow mate yesterday about the very same
thing with one of the guys I carry to meetings. He is still consuming
alcohol AND denying it! And the other mate of mine said that it's time
he "woke up and realised that we're spending our valuable time with him"
and I said to my mate (who is one year sober) that I came in and spent 8
or 9 months in the fellowship still consuming. Looking back I know that
I wasn't honest enough because I had the idea that I could go back to my
early days when I had a liquor cabinet, had a couple of drinks and
called it quits. I had this "obsession" that I could go back to social
drinking. But, that all fell flat on my face after a while.

Then only did I realise that I AM AN ALCOHOLIC. When I admitted this
from my heart, I've never looked back. Members see me as an example in
AA. I set the pace with the members I join, especially the newer ones.
Some of them are attending the meetings in Area Assembly as "observers".
That is how passionate I am about Alcoholics Anonymous. I'm sure nobody
would have thought that I would have turned out the way I am today!
Especially with the way I carried on in those 8-9 months!

So I believe there will be a change, just give him time. In AA we
believe that things happen in GOD's time. HE has a plan

Just keep believing.

Anil


>>> itsmeekathy@... 2003/02/24 03:32:54 AM >>>
Thanks for the reminder Jim!  :)  It's been a rough couple days
because he decided to drink again....while he's living in a sober
house.  I'm very angry about that....but I'm not angry at him for
drinking.  Hell, been there done that!!  I was thinking today would
be the day he got caught....but I haven't heard anything so far.
Hopefully he'll pull himself up by the boot straps and give it
another try.

I hope things are looking up for you now Jim.
Hugs
Kathy



--- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "Jim C. <jimnctltx@y...>"
<jimnctltx@y...> wrote:
> --- There comes a time in all our drinking careers we have the
door
> to sobriety opened to us. Whether or not we go through is up to
us.
> It helps so much to have someone who has gone before to take our
hand.
>
> You have been given a great gift, that is the chance to point the
way
> to Greg. Savor it & learn from it.
> Jim


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Wow! Isn't life interesting.

Don't you feel wonderful looking back now.  With all those "things"
taking your mind of depression. At the time I'm sure you could have
killed somebody!

Therefore, I sometimes look at these "gifts" and say to myself that
"GOD had a purpose for that.". I may not know why HE has done that, but
I am trying not to loose faith in HIM. My faith recently is really
getting stronger and stronger. I suppose with time my faith will be
strengthened. After all, I only 21 months sober!

Regards,
Anil



>>> jimnctltx@... 2003/02/23 03:26:36 AM >>>
This has been a week of serenity wrecking events. My composure has
been tested to the limits, or so I thought.

It started with a friend trashing a computer I had loaned her.

Then my favorite waitress advised me she was going to have a career
change. Not that many cuties flirt with me any more so I found that
upsetting,to say the least.

I blew out a tire in the rain in the middle of nowhere only to find
Nisson lied about there being a jack on top of the spare.

A friend in the program happened by & gave me a ride to the house to
find a jack, he also taught me I was still capable of fear, I pray I
never have to ride with him again.

Taking off,with the spare on I realized my glasses where misiing.
Turned around & returned to the scene of the flat & found them, ran
over.

Someone used my yard as a drive but bogged down & broke my water
pipe. Had to dig & dig to find the leak, again in the mud.

As I sat in my porch swing playing with Susie the lap cat, drinking a
good cup of coffee & waiting for the glue to dry I realized that this
is the first time in 20 years that the anniversary of my wife's death
has passed without me going into deep depression, & winding up
getting real crazy.

I feel now all the disaters this week might have been "Gifts from
God" meant to keep my mind off of it. Jim C


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Jim, I think you said this very well. It could not be said any better.

Anil



>>> jimnctltx@... 2003/02/23 12:22:29 AM >>>
--- There comes a time in all our drinking careers we have the door
to sobriety opened to us. Whether or not we go through is up to us.
It helps so much to have someone who has gone before to take our hand.

You have been given a great gift, that is the chance to point the way
to Greg. Savor it & learn from it.
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Thanks for the reminder Jim!  :)  It's been a rough couple days
because he decided to drink again....while he's living in a sober
house.  I'm very angry about that....but I'm not angry at him for
drinking.  Hell, been there done that!!  I was thinking today would
be the day he got caught....but I haven't heard anything so far.
Hopefully he'll pull himself up by the boot straps and give it
another try.

I hope things are looking up for you now Jim.
Hugs
Kathy



--- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "Jim C. <jimnctltx@y...>"
<jimnctltx@y...> wrote:
> --- There comes a time in all our drinking careers we have the
door
> to sobriety opened to us. Whether or not we go through is up to
us.
> It helps so much to have someone who has gone before to take our
hand.
>
> You have been given a great gift, that is the chance to point the
way
> to Greg. Savor it & learn from it.
> Jim

--- "Jim C. <jimnctltx@...>"
<jimnctltx@...> wrote:
> This has been a week of serenity wrecking events. My
> composure has
> been tested to the limits, or so I thought.
>
> It started with a friend trashing a computer I had
> loaned her.
>
> Then my favorite waitress advised me she was going
> to have a career
> change. Not that many cuties flirt with me any more
> so I found that
> upsetting,to say the least.
>
> I blew out a tire in the rain in the middle of
> nowhere only to find
> Nisson lied about there being a jack on top of the
> spare.
>
> A friend in the program happened by & gave me a ride
> to the house to
> find a jack, he also taught me I was still capable
> of fear, I pray I
> never have to ride with him again.
>
> Taking off,with the spare on I realized my glasses
> where misiing.
> Turned around & returned to the scene of the flat &
> found them, ran
> over.
>
> Someone used my yard as a drive but bogged down &
> broke my water
> pipe. Had to dig & dig to find the leak, again in
> the mud.
>
> As I sat in my porch swing playing with Susie the
> lap cat, drinking a
> good cup of coffee & waiting for the glue to dry I
> realized that this
> is the first time in 20 years that the anniversary
> of my wife's death
> has passed without me going into deep depression, &
> winding up
> getting real crazy.
>
> I feel now all the disaters this week might have
> been "Gifts from
> God" meant to keep my mind off of it. Jim C
> Jim,  It sounds like you had pretty tough week.
Just think how far you have come.  If you werent sober
how do you think you would have handled the week.
Dennis
>


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This has been a week of serenity wrecking events. My composure has
been tested to the limits, or so I thought.

It started with a friend trashing a computer I had loaned her.

Then my favorite waitress advised me she was going to have a career
change. Not that many cuties flirt with me any more so I found that
upsetting,to say the least.

I blew out a tire in the rain in the middle of nowhere only to find
Nisson lied about there being a jack on top of the spare.

A friend in the program happened by & gave me a ride to the house to
find a jack, he also taught me I was still capable of fear, I pray I
never have to ride with him again.

Taking off,with the spare on I realized my glasses where misiing.
Turned around & returned to the scene of the flat & found them, ran
over.

Someone used my yard as a drive but bogged down & broke my water
pipe. Had to dig & dig to find the leak, again in the mud.

As I sat in my porch swing playing with Susie the lap cat, drinking a
good cup of coffee & waiting for the glue to dry I realized that this
is the first time in 20 years that the anniversary of my wife's death
has passed without me going into deep depression, & winding up
getting real crazy.

I feel now all the disaters this week might have been "Gifts from
God" meant to keep my mind off of it. Jim C

--- There comes a time in all our drinking careers we have the door
to sobriety opened to us. Whether or not we go through is up to us.
It helps so much to have someone who has gone before to take our hand.

You have been given a great gift, that is the chance to point the way
to Greg. Savor it & learn from it.
Jim

Good job Kathy,

you got to give it away to keep it...............


mj


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You know, Kathy, it's so amazing that the simple suggestions have so
much to offer. I'm just a few months sober and over the, I'd say, last
year my faith in GOD has really rocketted. I cannot imagine a few hours
without me thinking about or even talking to GOD. I'm now see the
benefits of praying, which I never did see. I did pray, but what was I
doing? Don't ask me! Right now, I still don't know my religion very well
- I have a lot to learn. But I pray spiritually until I learn my
religion, when I will pray religiously. And I am content with this, My
faith has grown to such an extent that I cannot explain this in words!

As for your brother-in-law, Greg, I will pray for him. I know it will
help.

Love
Anil



>>> itsmeekathy@... 2003/02/20 08:46:45 AM >>>
(((Anil))))  Thank you.  He is my brother in law...his name is
Greg.  Another thing about him....he has never believed in God.  He
has never known a God.  He is now desperatley seeking a higher
power.  I think he knows in his heart he needs that to stay sober.
I pray for God to help Greg find him.  What else can you do?  Last
week for the first time in his life he went to church.  That is a
miracle.  He asked God into his heart...but I'm not sure he trusts
that there really is a God.  I just keep telling him a God of your
understanding.

Thank you Anil...he needs the prayers.  We all do.
Hugs
Kathy


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(((Anil))))  Thank you.  He is my brother in law...his name is
Greg.  Another thing about him....he has never believed in God.  He
has never known a God.  He is now desperatley seeking a higher
power.  I think he knows in his heart he needs that to stay sober.
I pray for God to help Greg find him.  What else can you do?  Last
week for the first time in his life he went to church.  That is a
miracle.  He asked God into his heart...but I'm not sure he trusts
that there really is a God.  I just keep telling him a God of your
understanding.

Thank you Anil...he needs the prayers.  We all do.
Hugs
Kathy

Hi Kathy.

And all of you.

I have been praying for all those still suffering alcoholics, even in
the fellowship. Like I did when I walked in - I still drank for about
eight months before I sobered up. Today I'm ever so grateful, like you,
to be sober.

I will continue to pray for your brother. I normally take the persons
name if I know the name.

To all - take care.

Love
Anil



>>> itsmeekathy@... 2003/02/20 03:14:51 AM >>>
Hi everyone!!  Hope all is well with all of you!

Things have been really busy for me.  I think most of you know we
put my brother in law in treatment some time ago.  He came out and
drank and we drug him back up there for another week.  He came out
and has been living in a recovery house about 2 miles from where I
live.  I've been spending a LOT of time in meetings with him.  A
LOT!!  I'm not complaining because I know it is good for me.  I
usually do 2 a week...but 5 or 6 is more than I have time for.  I'm
not sure my family knows who I am anymore!  LOL!  But they are being
wonderful and supportive knowing how important it is to keep him
focused and on track.

He's doing great too.  I'm still praying for him several times a day
and just because....my fingers are crossed too.  This is an ugly
deceitful disease that wreaks havoc in our lives and the lives of
everyone around us, it's very painful to live and to watch.  I hate
this disease.

But, for today, I've never been so thankful to be sober ever.  I'm
thankful most of my amends have been made and EVERYONE has chosen to
forgive me.  I am a very lucky and grateful alcoholic.

Hugs to all
Kathy



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Hi everyone!!  Hope all is well with all of you!

Things have been really busy for me.  I think most of you know we
put my brother in law in treatment some time ago.  He came out and
drank and we drug him back up there for another week.  He came out
and has been living in a recovery house about 2 miles from where I
live.  I've been spending a LOT of time in meetings with him.  A
LOT!!  I'm not complaining because I know it is good for me.  I
usually do 2 a week...but 5 or 6 is more than I have time for.  I'm
not sure my family knows who I am anymore!  LOL!  But they are being
wonderful and supportive knowing how important it is to keep him
focused and on track.

He's doing great too.  I'm still praying for him several times a day
and just because....my fingers are crossed too.  This is an ugly
deceitful disease that wreaks havoc in our lives and the lives of
everyone around us, it's very painful to live and to watch.  I hate
this disease.

But, for today, I've never been so thankful to be sober ever.  I'm
thankful most of my amends have been made and EVERYONE has chosen to
forgive me.  I am a very lucky and grateful alcoholic.

Hugs to all
Kathy

Thanks, Kathy.

Will communicate later.

Love
Anil



>>> itsmeekathy@... 2003/02/08 12:01:06 AM >>>
Hi!!  You were missed!!  :)  I've been a little busy myself...I'm
hoping things are better next week.

I can't change your email address, yahoo wont let me...you have to
do that yourself.  Go to the website and click on Edit My Membership
in the upper right hand corner.  It should tell you how from there.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anewbeginning2/
Good luck!  :)
Hugs
Kathy


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Hi Michael;

I've flown for sky divers, but love to tell them their crazy.

Highest I ever did was in an old Twin Beech (C- 45 in military terminology)
13 folks a full load.  They wanted to do Angels twenty, but fully loaded the
airplane couldn't get that high.  At seventeen six it would just mush and
would lift no more..  Besides my oxygen was getting low.

So they did what was in those days a HALO from 17, 600.

Fun to watch from above.  Wanted to sort of follow them down, but feared I
might accidetally collapse a canopy with prop wash.

Funny, I've never worn a chute or made a jump.  Only had one close call
and that when I was seventeen

I'm a bit older than that now.(64)  Hadn't flown since I was 33, but decided
to try again.  Skills were rusty, but not forgotten.

Originally I had earned a multi engine land plane commercial.  I am unlikely
to get all that back.  However just a single engine private pilots lisence will
be OK.

Besides a guy 65, which I'll be in ten days, probably should no longer do
multi engine.  Too many things can happen faster than old reflexes.

However, I did do an Immleman in a Cessna 182 and thought the IP was
going to soil himself.  When he figured what I was doing, he was afraid to
touch the controls because a 182 cannot tolerate negative G's

So I guess I'll alter the old pilot's proverb a bit.

"You can always tell an old skydiver, but you can't tell him much."

Hey if I get my Multi back, lets kick the tires and light the fires, OK?

What a blast!

"There are old pilots and bold pilots, but few old, bold pilots"

Happy Sky Trails,   Gary

Hi Rhonda;

Reminds me of the first automated flight joke<G>

"Guy found his seat and got settled and buckled up.  Voice came on the
speakers.  Ithis is the first totally computerized flight.  There is no pilot or
crew.  Help yourself to the food and drinks after we reach cruising altitude.

Don't be nervous, we're on a beam and the flight computer is quadruply
redundant.  Nothing can go wrong, Nothing can go wrong, Nothing can go
wrong<G>"

Remember Leslie Nielsen and Kareem in Airplane?  Don't call me Shirley?

In reality no one the size of Kareem would fit in the cockpit, my god he's
seven feet four.  Cockpits were made for guys my size.  Five six.

For a hick from Iowa I've met quite a few famous people.

Shool hands and said a few words to Harry Truman, when I was ten
(1948)

I'll never forget him saying "Hello young man, I'm Harry Truman"  Like I
didn't know who was the Prresident..  He asked if I was going to vote
democrat.  I said Yes Mr President, but my father is a republican.

He replied, "Well maybe between you and I we can convert him, he looks
like a reasonable man"

You can't tell it from old films, but truman was charming in his way.  Or
maybe it was just my awe at coming F2F with the president, at age ten.

No it wasn't in some fancy place.  It was by the roadside on Highway #6 in
Des Moines.

In those days they published where the Pres was going.  Couple of dozen
of us had gathered to wave at him as he went bye, but he stopped.  Got out
of the Limo and talked with us.

Dubya could use a bit of Truman's guts.

By the time I was a bit over 25, Dad and Harry were both gone.

But I'll not forget that day by the roadside, when The President of The US,
kidded with a ten year old.

Love and hugs,  Gary

Yo Gary!
Finally..was worried. Closest airport to me is PDX Portland...but wanna know
something weird? You already landed there in my heart. Long ago. Flight
would be nice, but no matter what? You are a thought away.
Gary? You did not mention the cats...and you need to..I know you are like me
and I sense they are gone and damn we love what we love  say it! Or I will
scrape money for gas and come kick ass(we do get my drift???) Rhonda mad
would not be pretty, trust me.
Hugs and wish I were there my dear friend






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>Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:41:40 -0800
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