I'm sure it does. I know of one meeting where it was fairly prevalent. I avoided
that one just because I didn't like their sobriety. At most of the meetings I go
to it is not accepted.
At my current home group I know of several couples who have met at AA meetings
and got married. It is probably a thin gray line but I don't consider that 13th
stepping

--- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "angelique7@..." <angelique7@...> wrote:
>
>
> Guess that changes from meeting to meeting, from location to location.
> Can we at least agree on one thing now?
>
> From: anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of radaryuppy
> Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 4:50 AM
> To: anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [A New Beginning] Re: 'Kind regards'
>
>
> Prevalent - no. Happens - yes
>
> --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "angelique7@" <angelique7@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes as has been discussed.
> > It is prevalent no matter what the gender.
> >
> > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, radaryuppy <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes there are female 13th steppers of both preferences.
>
>
> --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, radaryuppy <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Prevalent - no. Happens - yes
> >
> > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "angelique7@" <angelique7@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes as has been discussed.
> > > It is prevalent no matter what the gender.
> > >
> > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, radaryuppy <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes there are female 13th steppers of both preferences.
> > > >
> > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "a2hearts" <oldcrowwoman2002@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not obvious for me. I am confused Who are the sickest people?
Maybe I misunderstood I thought you were referring to those who have mental
health issues?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have never heard of the 13th step. Thank you for explaining. I
myself had not experienced 13th steppers. I have been in WomenforSobriety for
years. I just joined Women's AA recently to enhance my sobriety. I am a lesbian,
From the beginning I committed myself to my sobriety and being clear about not
getting involve with another women in the group. There probably are 13th
steppers regarding women.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sorry that you had bad experiences with 13th steppers. And you
did rise above them and stayed with your sobriety. Says alot about yourself..
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "angelique7@" <angelique7@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry isn't it obvious?
> > > > > > I am saying that I have found some of the sickest people in my
entire life in the rooms. My mention of the newcomers being the ones they hurt
the most with regards to 13 Stepping and more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please do not ignore my positivity regarding other's I have met in
the rooms. Life-long friends.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~angelbrite~
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of a2hearts
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:51 AM
> > > > > > To: anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [A New Beginning] Re: 'Kind regards'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please clarify the statement stating the " the sickest people have a
narrow focus in such a narrower range and quite often they are _predators to the
newcomers. Lives can be devatated"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "a2hearts"
<oldcrowwoman2002@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please clarify the statement stating the " the sickest people have
a narrow focus in such a narrower range and quite often they are _predators to
the newcomers. Lives can be devatated"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "angelique7@" <angelique7@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes I think I have read this same statement from you before in
this group unless this is a delayed message.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I found the sickest of the sick people to congregate in the
rooms.
> > > > > > > > You have them outside of AA in the wider community of course but
they are far more focused in such a narrower range and quite often they are
predators to the newcomer. Lives can be devastated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I of course, have also found the best kind of people also to be
in the rooms of AA and NA. Some of the most genuine, kind and compassionate
people I have ever had the privilege to know.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People that even come out and say what they are really thinking
and want to say to someone without just making the implication.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~angelbrite~
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, radaryuppy <no_reply@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some people are sicker than others and in other ways than
addiction.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, "angelique7@"
<angelique7@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hun I apologise for taking so long to reply. I am only just
discovering that there are some posts that I haven't even read.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I assure you I am not angry, not in the slightest.I do feel
very passionate on the subject of 12 Step Programs though. It is not a good
recovery experience for everyone, no matter HOW BADLY you want it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you knew my experience in the rooms at the hands of 12
Step Predators you could say I have a right to be angry but I am not even angry
at them. I let that go a long time agon
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have attended meetings and even with my position now on
them I have good life-long friends from there.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ~angelbrite~
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In anewbeginning2@yahoogroups.com, purplejune
<no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I could not keep myself from responding to the anger that
I felt in some of the posts. My responses do come from love and a desire to
help. I can feel the pain, that hopeless hole with no outlet, the anger with no
clear target. For me, anger always felt like strength. But that's as far as I
could go then I was left with no answers! If I had met angelbrite in a meeting
I could invite her for coffee and keep the conversation going. I could
introduce her to others who feel the same, or steer her to Al Anon. Here, the
danger is that someone will just go away angry so I do try to be careful with my
words, but honest none the less.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is wonderful that we can disagree without anger
and name-calling. But it's also a little sad that the only way we can get anyone
to share is with a little controversy!
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