Since a lot of spam in our group, I've activated the moderation.

Pascal RIVIERE

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I've construct the french section but for the moment the english
section is ridiculus empty :-(

Thank for your contributions.

Pascal RIVIERE

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Liliana,

you can visit the peruvian web-site of the "equipo para las terapias de arte',
which is is spanish.  http://terapiasdearte.perucultural.org.pe/index.htm
They propose many many publications and articles about music-therapy and therapy
by other means to download. Perhaps you will find something belonging to your
subject.
I am sure that you can contact directly the members of the "equipo" as well.
Their activity in Lima is very interesting, they work a lot with
migration-populations or with people in the "pueblos jovenes", outside of Lima.
Further, they seem to have contacts (I know that in 1998, they had, but I don't
know if they still work together) with hospitals or other institutions in the
andean region where their activity is particularly adapted to the people of
these regions (where tradition and actuality are very close together).


Katharina


clarte@... a écrit :

> liliana.quesado@...
>
> Hello!I'm sorry, i'm from Portugal, but my French it's not very good.
> i hope you speek english. i'm a music student and my last assigment
> in university, my thesis is about the folklore in musictherapy. thans
> for your help with this web page and if you could help me with
> another articles i would thank you. Liliana Quesado
>
>
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Liliana,

You can get the last book of France Schott-Billmann : "Le besoin de danser"
éditions Odile Jacob 2001. (135 French Francs in France) But it is writed in
french !

Give me your adress. I'll sent a few documents. (in french) We are working,
in musicthérapy, with the folklore rituals.

Willy Bakeroot
bakeroot@...


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>Objet : [aecoute] folklore in musictherapy
>Date : Mer 7 nov 2001 0:18
>

> liliana.quesado@...
>
> Hello!I'm sorry, i'm from Portugal, but my French it's not very good.
> i hope you speek english. i'm a music student and my last assigment
> in university, my thesis is about the folklore in musictherapy. thans
> for your help with this web page and if you could help me with
> another articles i would thank you. Liliana Quesado
>
>
>
>
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liliana.quesado@...

Hello!I'm sorry, i'm from Portugal, but my French it's not very good.
i hope you speek english. i'm a music student and my last assigment
in university, my thesis is about the folklore in musictherapy. thans
for your help with this web page and if you could help me with
another articles i would thank you. Liliana Quesado

Hello everyone. I am a teacher. I work with a lot of at risk kids and
classrooms with mainstreamed students. I have joined to engage in
dialogue about methods and tales of joy and tribulation-which we all
have. I look forward to discussions. Talk to you soon.

I am currently in production of a music documentary that deals with
Music
Healing and Music Therapy.  Because you have an interest in music I'd
like
for you to take the survey I have posted on my website
www.heartbeatofhealing.tv.

This documentary - HeartBeat of Healing - will be in production for
about one
year.  During that time I will be posting progress reports on the
website.
This week we visited with Mickey Hart, former drummer for Grateful
Dead and
Thomas Dolby, (She Blinded Me with Science).  These gentlemen talked
about
their experiences with music in a healing capacity.

I'm interested in your experiences with music and healing and would
love to
hear from you.  If you have any questions you can reach me through the
website.

Thanks

S. Cosper
Producer/Director
HeartBeat of Healing

Well, folks, after much annoyance on my part, I have succeeded in
redesigning and launching my web site.  Please go check it out and let me
know what you think.  I'm sure we'll have a few glitches to work out as yet,
but I'll work through them as they're discovered.  :)

http://janna.kensai.com

No updates this time around, but I'm hoping to add content over the next
little while.  If you have anything you'd like to contribute to various
sections, please let me know about them.

Thanks, all!

-Janna Hoskin, Web Master (site designer and maintainer) of
                    http://janna.kensai.com
                BMus (Composition), soon-to-be BA (Psychology)
                IBI (ABA) therapist to Ryan, age 4 (dx autism)
                sister to Michael, age 22 (possible Asperger's)

Music is the essence of life.
music IS because of Music.
music is but the feeble attempt of the composer to express the Music within
his soul.
-Janna Hoskin
** http://janna.kensai.com ** http://www.tec.ab.ca **





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What an amazing year it has been since I immersed myself in this
incredible field of healing with sound and music.  I am devoting my
full-time to spreading the word, and networking all over the world
with people interested in this powerful work.  Our website has been a
huge success, and I continue to add new information every week.

Due to the many requests, I have now formed the Healing Music
Association.  The Healing Music Association is an organization of
people who utilize sound and music in the healing arts.  The purpose
of this association is to promote education, scientific study, and a
sense of community for people to share their experiences and
knowledge about sound and music in healing.

If you are interested and want to know more about this new
association, please follow this link to our webpage:
www.healingmusic.org/Healing_Music_Assoc..htm

I want to personally thank each and everyone one of you who is
faithfully doing this healing work with yourself, your friends and
loved ones, and throughout the world.  I believe that we are
transforming the vibration of our world one tone at a time.

Blessings.
Om la la shanti,
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>
>Dear Music therapists
>
>     My name is Luis Kinugawa, music therapist and percussionist  in Sao
>Paulo (Brazil), and I develop a work called Biomusica that reaches the
>poor people, mental and physical diseases, schools, hospitals and
>cultural
>places.
>     I'm preparing to go to Europe and Africa in november to research and
>
>exchange experiences about  the music utilization for health, work and
>amusement.    I'd like to visit your institution for these purposes, if
>it is
>possible.
>
>My  home page is  www.biomusica.org
>
>    Thanks in advance
>
>     Luis Kinugawa

Okay, well, I didn't do a LOT of updates this time around, but I did fix a
couple of inaccuracies in data and I added a discussion area (the messages
don't get sent to you, you have to go and read them each day) and a page for
the IBC International (you have to look to find out what it is!).  I also
did a couple of other things that I wrote about at the top of the portal
page.  So go have a look and let me know what you think - there should be
more updates by the end of the summer; I'd like to have it mostly complete
(will it ever be complete?) by the time I start getting REALLY busy in
September.  :)

Remember, the address is http://janna.kensai.com - go look and have fun!

-Janna

Music is the essence of life.
music IS because of Music.
music is but the feeble attempt of the composer to express the Music within
his soul.
-Janna Hoskin
** http://janna.kensai.com ** http://www.tec.ab.ca ** http://dyc.webjump.com
**





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bonjour,
je suis à l arecherche de documents et de liens
sur le sujet musique et énergétique.
merci à tous ceux qui pourront m'indiquer les sites
intéréssants
les docs , les titres de livres etc...
d'avance merci à tous . philippe

Hi Mareta,

I'm afraid I know very little about undergraduate programs in music
therapy.  I graduated from the master's program at NYU.  When I did
my
internship, however, I met someone who was studying at Molloy in New
Jersey, and it sounded like they had a good solid program.  You may
want to contact the American Music Therapy Association with your
question.  If you don't have their contact information I'll be glad
to
give it to you.

I think an undergraduate program can give you good preparation, but
I'd also advise thinking of going for a master's down the road.  I
think it will give you a more solid credential.

I don't know if I can help with all of your questions, but please
don't hesitate to ask.  Maybe there are others on the list who will
know more about this?

Charles Gourgey

--- In aecoute@egroups.com, "Mareta Spencer" <mareta_meda@h...> wrote:
> I am planning on majoring in Music Therapy in college.  However,
the
junior
> college I am attending does not specifically have music therapy,
but
they do
> have music.  I would like to know what colleges have a good music
therapy
> program in the Eastern part of the United States.  I live in
georgia, I know
> that UGA has a great program, but I would like to go else where for
my
> degree.  Can you help me?
>
> Mareta Spencer
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Mareta Spencer [mailto:mareta_meda@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 4:37 PM
To: aecoute@egroups.com
Subject: [aecoute] good music therapy schools

I am planning on majoring in Music Therapy in college.  However, the junior
college I am attending does not specifically have music therapy, but they do
have music.  I would like to know what colleges have a good music therapy
program in the Eastern part of the United States.  I live in georgia, I know
that UGA has a great program, but I would like to go else where for my
degree.  Can you help me?

Mareta Spencer

I am planning on majoring in Music Therapy in college.  However, the junior
college I am attending does not specifically have music therapy, but they do
have music.  I would like to know what colleges have a good music therapy
program in the Eastern part of the United States.  I live in georgia, I know
that UGA has a great program, but I would like to go else where for my
degree.  Can you help me?

Mareta Spencer


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>Dear Janna,
>
>I was just surfing the web and I came across this group, and I wanted
>to respond to your question.  I am a Board Certified Music Therapist,
>although I do not work with autism (my specialty is hospice).  Still,
>I have a few suggestions for you.
>
>A couple of good books to read:
>
>J. Alvin and A. Warwick: Music Therapy for the Autistic Child (Oxford
>University Press)
>
>Edith Boxill: Music Therapy for the Developmentally Disabled (Pro-Ed,
>Austin, TX)
>
>Also, in my view the primary experts on music therapy and autism are
>the Nordoff-Robbins Center for Music Therapy in New York City,
>(212)995-5151.  I think they could be the best ones to consult with.
>
>I have also published an article entitled "Music Therapy in the
>Treatment of Social Isolation in Visually Impaired Children," which
>appeared in the journal RE:view for Winter 1998.  It mentions some
>exercises with music that would be appropriate for autistic children,
>and also contains more references you might find helpful.
>
>Please forgive me if the ground I have covered is already familiar to
>you.  I hope this helps,
>
>Charles Gourgey, Ph.D., MT-BC
>
>
>--- In aecoute@egroups.com, "Janna Hoskin" <karalianne@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I'm pretty new to the list... not sure how many people are
>actually
> > music therapists here, but I'm hoping to get some helpful feedback
> > anyway.  :)
> >
> > I work as an ABA (Applied Behavioral Analysis) therapist for a
>little
> > boy (almost 4) who has autism.  When I started working with him
>back
>in
> > August, he was effectively nonverbal and uncompliant to the therapy
> > (there are five of us working with him).  It was natural for me to
>just
> > start singing kids' songs to him, and his Mom is convinced that
>this
>is
> > part of why he is now almost functionally verbal (he'll request
>things
> > but is mostly echolalic and into verbal stims).  I go into their
>home
> > an extra hour each week to do half an hour of one-on-one singing and
> > music stimulation followed by half an hour of 'Kindermusik' (I'm not
> > really qualified to teach this, but that's the material I'm using to
> > guide the time).  The problem is that right before Christmas, Ryan
> > started to get tired of the one-on-one sessions.  They're on hold
>now
> > until I come up with something new and exciting.
> >
> > Goals include functional speech and socialization (that's why we
>have
> > the group time), and possibly even appropriate play with toys.
> >
> > I'm not a trained music therapist, though I'm going to go back to
> > school in a few years and get a degree in MT (at Capilano College in
> > Vancouver, British Columbia or Wilfrid Laurier in
>Kitchener-Waterloo
>in
> > Ontario - I'm Canadian).  My undergrad degree is in music
>composition.
> >
> > If anyone out there is a music therapist and has some ideas of
> > activities and songs I could use with Ryan, I'd greatly appreciate
>it.
> > Ryan's Mom isn't all that impressed with the music therapist we saw
> > here (once; she canceled two appointments at the last minute, which
> > meant that Ryan's days were all screwed up), so she's not wanting
>to
>go
> > back to her.
> >
> > I'd also appreciate any thoughts on good books I could read.  I
>want
>to
> > specialize in autistic kids, but anything would be wonderful - I'm a
> > voracious reader and I know that I'm going to have to adapt
>everything
> > I learn at school to work with 'my kids' - the few psych classes I
>took
> > in university, the profs didn't know much at all about autism; it's
> > like autism is maybe a chapter, if not simply a footnote, in most
> > people's training...
> >
> > Thanks for any and all help!
> >
> > -Janna, ABA therapist to Ryan, age 3
>

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- July 6-9 Traunwalchen Germany
changing with the times Music for children Orff Schulwerk symposium
2000
contact Carl-Orff-Volksschule@...
http://www.orff-symposion.de/index.html
http://orff.munich.netsurf.de/orff/html_e/carl_orff-stiftung.html

- October 20-22 Munchen Germany
The role of orffschulwerk in integrated and community education and
in music therapy
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Dear Janna,

I was just surfing the web and I came across this group, and I wanted
to respond to your question.  I am a Board Certified Music Therapist,
although I do not work with autism (my specialty is hospice).  Still,
I have a few suggestions for you.

A couple of good books to read:

J. Alvin and A. Warwick: Music Therapy for the Autistic Child (Oxford
University Press)

Edith Boxill: Music Therapy for the Developmentally Disabled (Pro-Ed,
Austin, TX)

Also, in my view the primary experts on music therapy and autism are
the Nordoff-Robbins Center for Music Therapy in New York City,
(212)995-5151.  I think they could be the best ones to consult with.

I have also published an article entitled "Music Therapy in the
Treatment of Social Isolation in Visually Impaired Children," which
appeared in the journal RE:view for Winter 1998.  It mentions some
exercises with music that would be appropriate for autistic children,
and also contains more references you might find helpful.

Please forgive me if the ground I have covered is already familiar to
you.  I hope this helps,

Charles Gourgey, Ph.D., MT-BC


--- In aecoute@egroups.com, "Janna Hoskin" <karalianne@e...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm pretty new to the list... not sure how many people are
actually
> music therapists here, but I'm hoping to get some helpful feedback
> anyway.  :)
>
> I work as an ABA (Applied Behavioral Analysis) therapist for a
little
> boy (almost 4) who has autism.  When I started working with him
back
in
> August, he was effectively nonverbal and uncompliant to the therapy
> (there are five of us working with him).  It was natural for me to
just
> start singing kids' songs to him, and his Mom is convinced that
this
is
> part of why he is now almost functionally verbal (he'll request
things
> but is mostly echolalic and into verbal stims).  I go into their
home
> an extra hour each week to do half an hour of one-on-one singing and
> music stimulation followed by half an hour of 'Kindermusik' (I'm not
> really qualified to teach this, but that's the material I'm using to
> guide the time).  The problem is that right before Christmas, Ryan
> started to get tired of the one-on-one sessions.  They're on hold
now
> until I come up with something new and exciting.
>
> Goals include functional speech and socialization (that's why we
have
> the group time), and possibly even appropriate play with toys.
>
> I'm not a trained music therapist, though I'm going to go back to
> school in a few years and get a degree in MT (at Capilano College in
> Vancouver, British Columbia or Wilfrid Laurier in
Kitchener-Waterloo
in
> Ontario - I'm Canadian).  My undergrad degree is in music
composition.
>
> If anyone out there is a music therapist and has some ideas of
> activities and songs I could use with Ryan, I'd greatly appreciate
it.
> Ryan's Mom isn't all that impressed with the music therapist we saw
> here (once; she canceled two appointments at the last minute, which
> meant that Ryan's days were all screwed up), so she's not wanting
to
go
> back to her.
>
> I'd also appreciate any thoughts on good books I could read.  I
want
to
> specialize in autistic kids, but anything would be wonderful - I'm a
> voracious reader and I know that I'm going to have to adapt
everything
> I learn at school to work with 'my kids' - the few psych classes I
took
> in university, the profs didn't know much at all about autism; it's
> like autism is maybe a chapter, if not simply a footnote, in most
> people's training...
>
> Thanks for any and all help!
>
> -Janna, ABA therapist to Ryan, age 3

Hi everyone!
I'm a new member and I want to say hello!
How are you?
I hope  I will get your messages.

friendly,
  Mihaela


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Dear friends,

I've forward that message.
A Korean student search help about music therapy.
It's not a aecoute's group member.
Send your messages to his e-mail address.

Pascal

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>Hello.
>My name is Koohan Yoo.
>I'm a medical student in Korea.
>Fourtunatly I found your site, so I send a letter.
>
>I and my friends have a project about music & memory.
>And I am interested in musictherapy.
>Most of all, the voice is very important.
>Baby voice, lady voice, mother voice...
>I want to know about relation between voice ,personality and memory.
>
>I believe you are a professional in this part.
>Also you help me...
>My e-mail is koo91@...
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Hello, everyone!

I'm about to create the Music Therapy section of my web site, and I would
appreciate your assistance in compiling a list of music therapy links.
Personal web sites would be great, as would reference sites etc.  A web
search can only produce so much information; doubtless you all have more
resources!  :)

I would also be interested to know what information you think should be
included in this section of my site.  Please feel free to email me privately
at karalianne@....

Thank you!

-Janna

Music is the essence of life.
music IS because of Music.
music is but the feeble attempt of the composer to express the Music within
his soul.
-Janna Hoskin
** http://www.tec.ab.ca/janna ** http://www.tec.ab.ca **
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Hi, I'd like to post an invite over to the new music therapy list on
egroups. It's mainly for students, but of course professionals are
welcome
to come and share their experience. So long as everyone keeps in mind
that
the new list is meant to be a forum for the students to ask questions,
send
gripes, and even just skip out on talking about music therapy once in a
while, we'll do fine.

The list name is mtstudents.

See you there!

-Janna Hoskin

Music is the essence of life.
music IS because of Music.
music is but the feeble attempt of the composer to express the Music
within
his soul.
-Janna Hoskin
** http://www.tec.ab.ca/janna ** http://www.tec.ab.ca **
http://dyc.webjump.com **