thanks for this very interesting reply.
But the problem remains in the yang layers, as the reverse order not only refers
to jueyin/shaoyin but also to shaoyang and yangming.
Most schools seem to have a consensus that the "right" order is tae yang, shao
yang, yang ming, but this other school says tae yang, yang ming, shao yang,
saying that the fromtier between yang and yin is shao yang.
Any suggestion?
regards

xuesheng1999 <nettlesbgood@...> wrote:
Oh yeah, about jueyin (not xueyin) and shaoyin being reversed - I was
taught both of these also and the explanation I recieved was that the
shang han lun places jueyin at the deepest, most severe position
because it has the most severe, dramatic symptoms - characterized by
various kinds of "conterflow" like cold extremities and vomiting of
roundworms. However, in ensuing centuries, vomiting of roundworms
became less prevalent and it was recognized that the kidney yin
deficient, heart fire characteristics of shaoyin disease was closer
to separation of yin and yang (which means death) so shaoyin disease
came to be seen as more severe and potentially fatal - so in this
case I think the classic is clear on one model and clinical
experience over centuries seemed to imply the other model.


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wrote:
> Hello, I have been learning acupuncture for several years in 2
different schools and I am surprised by a recurring difference in
their conception, which in my view is fundamental:
> 1/ according to some, the sequence of how the perverse energy
enters the body goes like this: tae yang/shao yang/yangming/tae
yin/xue yin/ shao yin
> 2/ according to others, the order is reversed in the last two
levels in yang and in yin and therefore goes like this: tae yang/yang
ming/shao yang/tae yin/shao yin/xue yin.
>
> I believe this fundamental difference has important implications
and I would welcome your comments to contribute putting an end to
this recurring bone of contention among various schools.
> Kind Regards
> Gerard
>
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