Hey Alice I wasn't arguing with YOU - had been called to justify myself to
someone else. Sorry if I upset, no offence intended.

--- On Tue, 13/1/09, teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@...> wrote:

From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@...>
Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
To: achangewilldoyougood@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 1:26 AM







I carry no cards so please do not assume that I am a member of any
National Front of anything. I would say that most of us with faith in
the Lord are trying to foster our spirituality on a daily basis. None
of my statements were meant to indicate that anyone turn over their
reins to anyone. If you perceived that may I let you know that you
are mistaken. When educating oneself on any subject, after
researching and the deep down thought processes we should be allowed
to change. With that being said I see no reason to argue about it. ~Alice

--- In achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com, melinda burge
<zoedog66@.. .> wrote:
>
> And different people have different boundaries. What is it they say?
The three taboo subjects are religion, politics and sex? Sorry to be
so forthright but you might be a card carrying member of the National
Front out for blood. Mind you, politics is always personal...my
spirituality is my agenda. I mean fostering it. I didn't do so well
during my drinking years focusing on what was important and I'm not
handing over the reins to anyone else to dictate to me what is
important. I'm flying blind just like everyone else and discovering by
trial and error the right way and the wrong way of doing things. Some
might argue that I should have done this ages ago, and they're free to
argue. Argue til they're blue in the face. That doesn't make them right.
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 3:44 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Mike. Practice makes perfect...well, most of the time. Isn't
> that the old saying. ~Alice
>
> --- In achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com, Michael traster
> <michaelpault@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > very interesting thoughts Alice.. truly important insights. MikeT
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 3:19 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It is odd that people mind their manners. Thank goodness we live in a
> > socially acceptable society. I believe that we exchange more than
> > pleasantries and especially as we become more acquainted with each
> > other. Oh, and I do want to know what others believe and I am also as
> > certain as I can be about my own beliefs. Also willing to "change"
> > should that become necessary. Makes life much more interesting,
> > wouldn't you say? ~Alice
> >
> > --- In achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com, <rrecroc@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > It's odd that people do not like to talk religion or politics
> > ......... as when they do they reveal their basic views of ethics and
> > morality ....... the most important things of life ........ apparently
> > we do not want to really know what others truly believe or we are
> > unsure of the solidarity of our own beliefs ...... we prefer instead
> > to exchange pleasant socially acceptable pleasantries which really
> > contain no content or meaning ....... go figure ......
> > > ---- teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...> wrote:
> > > > That's great! As you can see it only takes a few words to start a
> > > > discussion. So join in whenever the words strike you. ~Alice
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com, melinda burge
> > > > <zoedog66@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I never wanted to talk politics..I' m here for my recovery
first!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 2:52 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahhh Kim,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are speaking of the Neo-robo cons... . They seem to keep
close
> > > > to their masters side and jump, sit, speak, growl, roll over on
> > command..
> > > > >
> > > > > As with the neo libs they are afraid to think their own
> thoughts and
> > > > keep principles clear and unadulterated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Kim Lohman <kimmilohman@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Kim Lohman <kimmilohman@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 4:21 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmm.... I've noticed just the opposite. I feel exactly the
> same as
> > > > > you do but it is about the "new meaner conservatives" .
LOL... I
> > > > > guess it just depends on where you're coming from and the people
> > you
> > > > > have in your life. I've gotten to the point where I just don't
> > > > > discuss politics with anyone anymore. Life's too short. That's
> one
> > > > > of the reasons I decided to join this group - I figured with a
> name
> > > > > like A Change Will Do You Good that maybe this would be a
> political
> > > > > free zone? Maybe not?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kim
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Mike, it is good to know that there are some thinking
> > people
> > > > > out there. Slanderers will have their day..I don't need to do
> > > > > anything about it. Mel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > > > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 3:16 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mel,
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > Nice to meet you and thanks for the vote of friendship! :)
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > Any one who values another for their total agreement is not a
> > > > > friend. They are a shallow narcissist who uses others to
buoey up
> > > > > their perversely brittle ego.
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > No one's approval of you is in any way worth your well being,
> > much
> > > > > less your life.
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > Most of life is an "interview" during which we randomly bump
> into
> > > > > people. Many become aquaintances, only a rare few become
> friendship
> > > > > experiments. .. and from those.. .only a few become true
friends.
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > Be your own friend first and always. After all, YOU ARE
> > SOMEONE ALL
> > > > > BY YOURSELF... ALWAYS WERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > JUST IMAGINE MEL, THE AUTHOR OF THE ENTIRE CREATED UNIVERSE
> MADE
> > > > > YOU JUST AS YOU ARE.
> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > > > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:39 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank God for a refreshing point of view! I think I will now
> name
> > > > > you officially as a friend! I have recently suffered at the
> > hands of
> > > > > people who, though ideologially similar to me, have
persecuted me
> > > > > because I don't agree exactlyÃÆ'‚ with what they say.
It has
> > driven me
> > > > > nearly to the point of suicide, but then I think hah! I'll
stick
> > > > > around just to keep them honest:) Grateful and sober today - Mel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/1/09, michaelpault <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: michaelpault <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > > > > > Subject: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > > > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 6:47 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In recent years, a new and nastier liberal has
> emerged--paranoid
> > > > > > and looking for enemies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have found this to be a tragic and growing truth. In the
"new
> > > > > > liberalism" there is in fact no room for other points of view.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Over a # of years, I have had the very astonishing
> experience of
> > > > > > having been shut out by people I've known for 30 years over
> > > > > > differing political points of view.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<<>>>you are not convinced about the Kyoto accord. You are
> > > > > > destroying the "planet".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<<>>>you believe abortion is wrong.. YOU ARE THE ENEMY.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<<>>>you believe in the second amendment. YOU ARE A
DANGEROUS
> > > > > > REACTIONARY.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<<>>>you believe that affirmative action is unjust. YOU
ARE A
> > > > > > RACIST!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These are literal behaviors that I have encountered with
> > incredible
> > > > > > frequency.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When people receive their "MARCHING ORDERS'' and shut out
> others
> > > > > > with varying points of view, in most circumstances they have
> > > > > swapped
> > > > > > thought for a cozy membership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen this in some conservatives but for the most part
> it is
> > > > > > not as severe or pervasive as it is in fact a methodology of
> > > > > > the "new liberalism" in general while it is an individual
> > behavior
> > > > > > amongst some conservatives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Freedom is put aside in such idealogue behaviors, and it is
> > > > > replaced
> > > > > > with comfortable compliance.. .to some one elses AUTHORITATIVE
> > WORD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The liberals of the 50s would cringe and ask such
"LIBERALS" if
> > > > > they
> > > > > > were in fact trained by Joseph McCarthy.
> > > > > > IN THE ART OF REPUTATIONAL TERROR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One party line
> > > > > > No room for divergence of opinion
> > > > > > Condemnation of other's loyalty on disagreement
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tools of an effective fascist group manager.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to see people from all philosophical walks of life ask
> > this
> > > > > > question of their groups philosophy and stand:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Is this what I truly believe?"
> > > > > > "are there parts I agree with and parts I utterly reject?"
> > > > > > "If that is the case, why do I feel afraid to voice my view
> with
> > > > > > strong moral conviction"?
> > > > > > "Am I afraid of being utterly condemned and cast out?"
> > > > > > "Will my comrades do harm to my reputation if I disagree with
> > parts
> > > > > > of the party line?"
> > > > > > "Might they do me some personal harm for being in
> disagreement? "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THE DEGREE TO WHICH ANY GROUP, POLITICAL PARTY OR RELIGIOUS
> > > > > > ORGANIZATION WOULD DO THESE THINGS IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY
> > ARE
> > > > > > PRACTICING A CLEAR FORM OF GODLESS EVIL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > generally, regardless of the "group'' that we belong to we are
> > ( TO
> > > > > > SOME DEGREE)afraid to ask these questions and those like them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like one of Jesus' most confrontational statements.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Do that which is right!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > he asserted that those to whom he spoke each had a livin
> > > > > conscience,
> > > > > > and an OBLIGATION to seek out what was right through a
careful
> > > > > > examination of their conscience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truly a radical thought, and a very fine and timeless one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ............
> > > > > > One of the greatest danger signs of any philosophy as I see
> it is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > collective conviction that the group is "wise" .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when we proclaim ourselves or our group to be "wise" we have
> > ceased
> > > > > > thinking and ceased to listen to our conscience.
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