It is about 30 degrees celsius here:) I am wearing light cotton clothing!

--- On Tue, 13/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@...> wrote:

From: Michael traster <michaelpault@...>
Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
To: achangewilldoyougood@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 4:55 AM






Hey Alice,
 
Yeah we got about 9 inches of snow accumation over the last 48 hours. They are
saying there is some COLD air heading our way for a few days... Night temps...
in the minus 5 to minus 10 or so range... "normal" but cold around here.
 
I am looking forward to a bit less of the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRR
 
Mike

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:59 AM

Come to think of it...so have I. Interestingly enough I do not recall
very many of them. I just remember them as "you have got to be
kidding." Must be that memory thing again. Learned a lot of new words,
how bout you?

We are getting a cold blast of winter! About the time I get use to
bundling up we have to remove layers!

Alice

--- In achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com, Michael traster
<michaelpault@ ...> wrote:
>
> I have been called many things...
> �
> a few were even printable!
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@ ...>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
> To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:41 AM
>
>
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>
>
> Now Mike, I think I have seen your name or something about you come up
> a few times. Could that make you a "legend" or was that "ledger?"
> Ohhhh, I get so confused sometimes. ~Alice
>
> --- In achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com, Michael traster
> <michaelpault@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Mel,
> > �
> > thanks..
> > �
> > but I haven't read about me anywhere!? ;)
> > �
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: melinda burge <zoedog66@ .>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:15 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You are a legend Mike
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 1:04 AM
> >
> > Is that we can each choose what we want to speak about without being
> filtered by the other.
> > �
> > Ahhhh fresh air and freedom!�
> > �
> > It is the history of the misuse of power by others upon us and by us
> upon ourselves that puts one in a state of harm requiring recovery..
> > �
> > IN a very real way one can not separate the practical psychology of
> such things from the Politics of them. Each is about the use and
> misuse of power over one's self and others.
> > �
> > Mike T
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au> wrote:
> >
> > From: melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:52 AM
> >
> > I never wanted to talk politics..I' m here for my recovery first!
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 2:52 PM
> >
> > Ahhh Kim,
> > �
> > You are speaking of the Neo-robo cons... . They seem to keep close
> to their masters side and jump, sit, speak, growl, roll over on
command..
> > �
> > As with the neo libs they are afraid to think their own thoughts and
> keep principles clear and unadulterated.
> > �
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Kim Lohman <kimmilohman@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Kim Lohman <kimmilohman@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 4:21 PM
> >
> > Hmmm.... I've noticed just the opposite. I feel exactly the same as
> > you do but it is about the "new meaner conservatives" . LOL... I
> > guess it just depends on where you're coming from and the people you
> > have in your life. I've gotten to the point where I just don't
> > discuss politics with anyone anymore. Life's too short. That's one
> > of the reasons I decided to join this group - I figured with a name
> > like A Change Will Do You Good that maybe this would be a political
> > free zone? Maybe not?
> >
> > Kim
> >
> > > Thanks Mike, it is good to know that there are some thinking people
> > out there. Slanderers will have their day..I don't need to do
> > anything about it. Mel
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 3:16 AM
> > >
> > > Hi Mel,
> > >
> > > Nice to meet you and thanks for the vote of friendship! :)
> > >
> > > Any one who values another for their total agreement is not a
> > friend. They are a shallow narcissist who uses others to buoey up
> > their perversely brittle ego.
> > >
> > > No one's approval of you is in any way worth your well being, much
> > less your life.
> > >
> > > Most of life is an "interview" during which we randomly bump into
> > people. Many become aquaintances, only a rare few become friendship
> > experiments. .. and from those.. .only a few become true friends.
> > >
> > > Be your own friend first and always. After all, YOU ARE SOMEONE ALL
> > BY YOURSELF... ALWAYS WERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
> > >
> > > JUST IMAGINE MEL, THE AUTHOR OF THE ENTIRE CREATED UNIVERSE MADE
> > YOU JUST AS YOU ARE.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au>
> > > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:39 PM
> > >
> > > Thank God for a refreshing point of view! I think I will now name
> > you officially as a friend! I have recently suffered at the hands of
> > people who, though ideologially similar to me, have persecuted me
> > because I don't agree exactly with what they say. It has driven me
> > nearly to the point of suicide, but then I think hah! I'll stick
> > around just to keep them honest:) Grateful and sober today - Mel
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 7/1/09, michaelpault <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: michaelpault <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 6:47 AM
> > >
> > > In recent years, a new and nastier liberal has emerged--paranoid
> > > and looking for enemies.
> > >
> > > I have found this to be a tragic and growing truth. In the "new
> > > liberalism" there is in fact no room for other points of view.
> > >
> > > Over a # of years, I have had the very astonishing experience of
> > > having been shut out by people I've known for 30 years over
> > > differing political points of view.
> > >
> > > <<<>>>you are not convinced about the Kyoto accord. You are
> > > destroying the "planet".
> > >
> > > <<<>>>you believe abortion is wrong.. YOU ARE THE ENEMY.
> > >
> > > <<<>>>you believe in the second amendment. YOU ARE A DANGEROUS
> > > REACTIONARY.
> > >
> > > <<<>>>you believe that affirmative action is unjust. YOU ARE A
> > > RACIST!
> > >
> > > These are literal behaviors that I have encountered with incredible
> > > frequency.
> > >
> > > When people receive their "MARCHING ORDERS'' and shut out others
> > > with varying points of view, in most circumstances they have
> > swapped
> > > thought for a cozy membership.
> > >
> > > I've seen this in some conservatives but for the most part it is
> > > not as severe or pervasive as it is in fact a methodology of
> > > the "new liberalism" in general while it is an individual behavior
> > > amongst some conservatives.
> > >
> > > Freedom is put aside in such idealogue behaviors, and it is
> > replaced
> > > with comfortable compliance.. .to some one elses AUTHORITATIVE WORD.
> > >
> > > The liberals of the 50s would cringe and ask such "LIBERALS" if
> > they
> > > were in fact trained by Joseph McCarthy.
> > > IN THE ART OF REPUTATIONAL TERROR.
> > >
> > > One party line
> > > No room for divergence of opinion
> > > Condemnation of other's loyalty on disagreement
> > >
> > > tools of an effective fascist group manager.
> > >
> > > I want to see people from all philosophical walks of life ask this
> > > question of their groups philosophy and stand:
> > >
> > > "Is this what I truly believe?"
> > > "are there parts I agree with and parts I utterly reject?"
> > > "If that is the case, why do I feel afraid to voice my view with
> > > strong moral conviction"?
> > > "Am I afraid of being utterly condemned and cast out?"
> > > "Will my comrades do harm to my reputation if I disagree with parts
> > > of the party line?"
> > > "Might they do me some personal harm for being in disagreement? "
> > >
> > > THE DEGREE TO WHICH ANY GROUP, POLITICAL PARTY OR RELIGIOUS
> > > ORGANIZATION WOULD DO THESE THINGS IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY ARE
> > > PRACTICING A CLEAR FORM OF GODLESS EVIL.
> > >
> > > generally, regardless of the "group'' that we belong to we are ( TO
> > > SOME DEGREE)afraid to ask these questions and those like them.
> > >
> > > I like one of Jesus' most confrontational statements.
> > >
> > > "Do that which is right!"
> > >
> > > he asserted that those to whom he spoke each had a livin
> > conscience,
> > > and an OBLIGATION to seek out what was right through a careful
> > > examination of their conscience.
> > >
> > > Truly a radical thought, and a very fine and timeless one.
> > >
> > > ............
> > > One of the greatest danger signs of any philosophy as I see it is
> > > the
> > > collective conviction that the group is "wise" .
> > >
> > > when we proclaim ourselves or our group to be "wise" we have ceased
> > > thinking and ceased to listen to our conscience.
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