Now Mike, I think I have seen your name or something about you come up
a few times. Could that make you a "legend" or was that "ledger?"
Ohhhh, I get so confused sometimes. ~Alice


--- In achangewilldoyougood@yahoogroups.com, Michael traster
<michaelpault@...> wrote:
>
> Mel,
> �
> thanks..
> �
> but I haven't read about me anywhere!? ;)
> �
> Mike
>
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>
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@...> wrote:
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> From: melinda burge <zoedog66@...>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
> To: achangewilldoyougood@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:15 AM
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> You are a legend Mike
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP
> To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 1:04 AM
>
> Is that we can each choose what we want to speak about without being
filtered by the other.
> �
> Ahhhh fresh air and freedom!�
> �
> It is the history of the misuse of power by others upon us and by us
upon ourselves that puts one in a state of harm requiring recovery..
> �
> IN a very real way one can not separate the practical psychology of
such things from the Politics of them. Each is about the use and
misuse of power over one's self and others.
> �
> Mike T
>
> --- On Sun, 1/11/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au> wrote:
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> From: melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:52 AM
>
> I never wanted to talk politics..I' m here for my recovery first!
>
> --- On Sat, 10/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 2:52 PM
>
> Ahhh Kim,
> �
> You are speaking of the Neo-robo cons... . They seem to keep close
to their masters side and jump, sit, speak, growl, roll over on command..
> �
> As with the neo libs they are afraid to think their own thoughts and
keep principles clear and unadulterated.
> �
> Mike
>
> --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Kim Lohman <kimmilohman@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Kim Lohman <kimmilohman@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 4:21 PM
>
> Hmmm.... I've noticed just the opposite. I feel exactly the same as
> you do but it is about the "new meaner conservatives" . LOL... I
> guess it just depends on where you're coming from and the people you
> have in your life. I've gotten to the point where I just don't
> discuss politics with anyone anymore. Life's too short. That's one
> of the reasons I decided to join this group - I figured with a name
> like A Change Will Do You Good that maybe this would be a political
> free zone? Maybe not?
>
> Kim
>
> > Thanks Mike, it is good to know that there are some thinking people
> out there. Slanderers will have their day..I don't need to do
> anything about it. Mel
> >
> > --- On Thu, 8/1/09, Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Michael traster <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Thursday, 8 January, 2009, 3:16 AM
> >
> > Hi Mel,
> >
> > Nice to meet you and thanks for the vote of friendship! :)
> >
> > Any one who values another for their total agreement is not a
> friend. They are a shallow narcissist who uses others to buoey up
> their perversely brittle ego.
> >
> > No one's approval of you is in any way worth your well being, much
> less your life.
> >
> > Most of life is an "interview" during which we randomly bump into
> people. Many become aquaintances, only a rare few become friendship
> experiments. .. and from those.. .only a few become true friends.
> >
> > Be your own friend first and always. After all, YOU ARE SOMEONE ALL
> BY YOURSELF... ALWAYS WERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
> >
> > JUST IMAGINE MEL, THE AUTHOR OF THE ENTIRE CREATED UNIVERSE MADE
> YOU JUST AS YOU ARE.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au> wrote:
> >
> > From: melinda burge <zoedog66@yahoo. com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:39 PM
> >
> > Thank God for a refreshing point of view! I think I will now name
> you officially as a friend! I have recently suffered at the hands of
> people who, though ideologially similar to me, have persecuted me
> because I don't agree exactly with what they say. It has driven me
> nearly to the point of suicide, but then I think hah! I'll stick
> around just to keep them honest:) Grateful and sober today - Mel
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/1/09, michaelpault <michaelpault@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: michaelpault <michaelpault@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.
> > To: achangewilldoyougoo d@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 6:47 AM
> >
> > In recent years, a new and nastier liberal has emerged--paranoid
> > and looking for enemies.
> >
> > I have found this to be a tragic and growing truth. In the "new
> > liberalism" there is in fact no room for other points of view.
> >
> > Over a # of years, I have had the very astonishing experience of
> > having been shut out by people I've known for 30 years over
> > differing political points of view.
> >
> > <<<>>>you are not convinced about the Kyoto accord. You are
> > destroying the "planet".
> >
> > <<<>>>you believe abortion is wrong.. YOU ARE THE ENEMY.
> >
> > <<<>>>you believe in the second amendment. YOU ARE A DANGEROUS
> > REACTIONARY.
> >
> > <<<>>>you believe that affirmative action is unjust. YOU ARE A
> > RACIST!
> >
> > These are literal behaviors that I have encountered with incredible
> > frequency.
> >
> > When people receive their "MARCHING ORDERS'' and shut out others
> > with varying points of view, in most circumstances they have
> swapped
> > thought for a cozy membership.
> >
> > I've seen this in some conservatives but for the most part it is
> > not as severe or pervasive as it is in fact a methodology of
> > the "new liberalism" in general while it is an individual behavior
> > amongst some conservatives.
> >
> > Freedom is put aside in such idealogue behaviors, and it is
> replaced
> > with comfortable compliance.. .to some one elses AUTHORITATIVE WORD.
> >
> > The liberals of the 50s would cringe and ask such "LIBERALS" if
> they
> > were in fact trained by Joseph McCarthy.
> > IN THE ART OF REPUTATIONAL TERROR.
> >
> > One party line
> > No room for divergence of opinion
> > Condemnation of other's loyalty on disagreement
> >
> > tools of an effective fascist group manager.
> >
> > I want to see people from all philosophical walks of life ask this
> > question of their groups philosophy and stand:
> >
> > "Is this what I truly believe?"
> > "are there parts I agree with and parts I utterly reject?"
> > "If that is the case, why do I feel afraid to voice my view with
> > strong moral conviction"?
> > "Am I afraid of being utterly condemned and cast out?"
> > "Will my comrades do harm to my reputation if I disagree with parts
> > of the party line?"
> > "Might they do me some personal harm for being in disagreement? "
> >
> > THE DEGREE TO WHICH ANY GROUP, POLITICAL PARTY OR RELIGIOUS
> > ORGANIZATION WOULD DO THESE THINGS IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY ARE
> > PRACTICING A CLEAR FORM OF GODLESS EVIL.
> >
> > generally, regardless of the "group'' that we belong to we are ( TO
> > SOME DEGREE)afraid to ask these questions and those like them.
> >
> > I like one of Jesus' most confrontational statements.
> >
> > "Do that which is right!"
> >
> > he asserted that those to whom he spoke each had a livin
> conscience,
> > and an OBLIGATION to seek out what was right through a careful
> > examination of their conscience.
> >
> > Truly a radical thought, and a very fine and timeless one.
> >
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> > One of the greatest danger signs of any philosophy as I see it is
> > the
> > collective conviction that the group is "wise" .
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> > when we proclaim ourselves or our group to be "wise" we have ceased
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