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THE NEWER MEANER LIBERALISM.   Message List  
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In recent years, a new and nastier liberal has emerged--paranoid
and looking for enemies.

I have found this to be a tragic and growing truth. In the "new
liberalism" there is in fact no room for other points of view.

Over a # of years, I have had the very astonishing experience of
having been shut out by people I've known for 30 years over
differing political points of view.

<<<>>>you are not convinced about the Kyoto accord. You are
destroying the "planet".

<<<>>>you believe abortion is wrong.. YOU ARE THE ENEMY.

<<<>>>you believe in the second amendment. YOU ARE A DANGEROUS
REACTIONARY.

<<<>>>you believe that affirmative action is unjust. YOU ARE A
RACIST!


These are literal behaviors that I have encountered with incredible
frequency.

When people receive their "MARCHING ORDERS'' and shut out others
with varying points of view, in most circumstances they have swapped
thought for a cozy membership.

I've seen this in some conservatives but for the most part it is
not as severe or pervasive as it is in fact a methodology of
the "new liberalism" in general while it is an individual behavior
amongst some conservatives.

Freedom is put aside in such idealogue behaviors, and it is replaced
with comfortable compliance.. .to some one elses AUTHORITATIVE WORD.

The liberals of the 50s would cringe and ask such "LIBERALS" if they
were in fact trained by Joseph McCarthy.
IN THE ART OF REPUTATIONAL TERROR.

One party line
No room for divergence of opinion
Condemnation of other's loyalty on disagreement

tools of an effective fascist group manager.

I want to see people from all philosophical walks of life ask this
question of their groups philosophy and stand:

"Is this what I truly believe?"
"are there parts I agree with and parts I utterly reject?"
"If that is the case, why do I feel afraid to voice my view with
strong moral conviction"?
"Am I afraid of being utterly condemned and cast out?"
"Will my comrades do harm to my reputation if I disagree with parts
of the party line?"
"Might they do me some personal harm for being in disagreement?"

THE DEGREE TO WHICH ANY GROUP, POLITICAL PARTY OR RELIGIOUS
ORGANIZATION WOULD DO THESE THINGS IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY ARE
PRACTICING A CLEAR FORM OF GODLESS EVIL.

generally, regardless of the "group'' that we belong to we are ( TO
SOME DEGREE)afraid to ask these questions and those like them.

I like one of Jesus' most confrontational statements.

"Do that which is right!"

he asserted that those to whom he spoke each had a livin conscience,
and an OBLIGATION to seek out what was right through a careful
examination of their conscience.

Truly a radical thought, and a very fine and timeless one.

............
One of the greatest danger signs of any philosophy as I see it is
the
collective conviction that the group is "wise" .

when we proclaim ourselves or our group to be "wise" we have ceased
thinking and ceased to listen to our conscience.







Tue Jan 6, 2009 7:47 pm

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In recent years, a new and nastier liberal has emerged--paranoid and looking for enemies. I have found this to be a tragic and growing truth. In the "new ...
michaelpault
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Jan 6, 2009
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Thank God for a refreshing point of view! I think I will now name you officially as a friend! I have recently suffered at the hands of people who, though...
melinda burge
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Jan 7, 2009
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Hi Mel,   Nice to meet you and thanks for the vote of friendship! :)   Any one who values another for their total agreement is not a friend. They are a...
Michael traster
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Jan 7, 2009
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Thanks Mike, it is good to know that there are some thinking people out there. Slanderers will have their day..I don't need to do anything about it. Mel ... ...
melinda burge
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Jan 8, 2009
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True...   eeeeventually, they will stew in their own "scatta" which is Greek for "merdre" which is French for...well you know... ... From: melinda burge...
Michael traster
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Jan 8, 2009
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I need to work on my attitude though - probably a trip to Alanon would do me good. I keep wanting to rescue the world, just like Don Quixote..ah, another...
melinda burge
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Jan 9, 2009
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Hmmm.... I've noticed just the opposite. I feel exactly the same as you do but it is about the "new meaner conservatives". LOL... I guess it just depends on...
Kim Lohman
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Jan 10, 2009
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Ahhh Kim,   You are speaking of the Neo-robo cons... . They seem to keep close to their masters side and jump, sit, speak, growl, roll over on command..   As...
Michael traster
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Jan 10, 2009
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I never wanted to talk politics..I'm here for my recovery first! ... From: Michael traster <michaelpault@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER...
melinda burge
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Jan 11, 2009
1:27 pm

That's great! As you can see it only takes a few words to start a discussion. So join in whenever the words strike you. ~Alice ... to their masters side and...
teddybear1937
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Jan 11, 2009
1:36 pm

It's odd that people do not like to talk religion or politics ......... as when they do they reveal their basic views of ethics and morality ....... the most...
rrecroc@...
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Jan 11, 2009
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It is odd that people mind their manners. Thank goodness we live in a socially acceptable society. I believe that we exchange more than pleasantries and...
teddybear1937
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Jan 11, 2009
11:19 pm

very interesting thoughts Alice.. truly important insights. MikeT ... From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE NEWER MEANER...
Michael traster
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Jan 12, 2009
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Thanks Mike. Practice makes perfect...well, most of the time. ~Alice ... thoughts and ... same as ... one ... name ... political ... into ... friendship ... ...
teddybear1937
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Jan 12, 2009
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Thanks Mike. Practice makes perfect...well, most of the time. Isn't that the old saying. ~Alice ... thoughts and ... same as ... one ... name ... political ...
teddybear1937
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Jan 12, 2009
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And different people have different boundaries. What is it they say? The three taboo subjects are religion, politics and sex? Sorry to be so forthright but you...
melinda burge
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Jan 12, 2009
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I carry no cards so please do not assume that I am a member of any National Front of anything. I would say that most of us with faith in the Lord are trying...
teddybear1937
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Jan 12, 2009
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Hey Alice I wasn't arguing with YOU - had been called to justify myself to someone else. Sorry if I upset, no offence intended. ... From: teddybear1937...
melinda burge
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Jan 13, 2009
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Is that we can each choose what we want to speak about without being filtered by the other.   Ahhhh fresh air and freedom!    It is the history of the...
Michael traster
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Jan 11, 2009
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You are a legend Mike ... From: Michael traster <michaelpault@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP To:...
melinda burge
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Jan 12, 2009
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Mel,   thanks..   but I haven't read about me anywhere!? ;)   Mike ... From: melinda burge <zoedog66@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE...
Michael traster
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Jan 12, 2009
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Now Mike, I think I have seen your name or something about you come up a few times. Could that make you a "legend" or was that "ledger?" Ohhhh, I get so...
teddybear1937
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Jan 12, 2009
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I have been called many things...   a few were even printable! ... From: teddybear1937 <teddybear1937@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE...
Michael traster
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Jan 12, 2009
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Come to think of it...so have I. Interestingly enough I do not recall very many of them. I just remember them as "you have got to be kidding." Must be that...
teddybear1937
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Jan 12, 2009
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Ledger, legend..they're things you find an paper. Are you in the paper business Mike? ... From: Michael traster <michaelpault@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ]...
melinda burge
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Jan 13, 2009
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Hey Alice,   Yeah we got about 9 inches of snow accumation over the last 48 hours. They are saying there is some COLD air heading our way for a few days......
Michael traster
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Jan 12, 2009
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Mike, I really wouldn't mind a little snow and slush, but ice I can do without. We are expecting? for the temp to be around 10 by Friday night. A little...
teddybear1937
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Jan 12, 2009
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It is about 30 degrees celsius here:) I am wearing light cotton clothing! ... From: Michael traster <michaelpault@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY...
melinda burge
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Jan 13, 2009
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sadly, no paper or other fortune here. ... From: melinda burge <zoedog66@...> Subject: Re: [ACWDYG ] THE BEAUTY OF THE GROUP To:...
Michael traster
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