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lily-gannaway641@... wrote:
> yo these guys just fixed up my current house loan, consolidated    all the old
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>
>

Stress is not a disease to cure, it is not a condition to manage, and
it is not an ailment to fix with magical stress management techniques
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Stress is a build up of mental and physical tension in your body that
distracts your mental focus, drains your energy and impairs your immune
system - all reducing your work productivity.
Remove that tension - and the stress disappears.
http://stressgqj.blogspot.com/#

If you would, please remove me from the on call list till Tuesday the
23rd as the phones are screwed up around here.

Thanks!

Scott

irishtrish26 wrote:
> where are you ?it looks like this page needs a moderator ,or table
> leader as we used to say.in meetings .this group has run amouck .and
> sounds more like a cult than an aim group,
>
>
    Are you referring to the message titled: Life, the Universe and the
Destiny of Mankind?

S.

where are you ?it looks like this page needs a moderator ,or table
leader as we used to say.in meetings .this group has run amouck .and
sounds more like a cult than an aim group,

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hi all,most of you don't know me but maryann and some of you do
because i went to the meetings at aim at 13/kelly on tuesday night.
right now i want to talk to you all because you know what i'm going
through with panic attacks and depression and this is my first post to
this group. i'm a christian and is saved by jesus's blood but
sometimes i just can't take it at times,like now. this is just a brief
history of my life,ok. my depression i believe started in high
school,i had no social life because i stuttered and still do and i got
picked on and teased becaused of it. i had no confidence and very low
self esteem,but i'm getting better because of jesus. i also came home
to a dysfunctional family,i'm 43 now and still living at home. my
panic attacks started in the summer of 1997,my first sympton started
then and it all went downhill after that as the other symptons came on
me. i finally had to quit work in january of 1999 because of it and i
haven't been to work since,i just couldn't take it anymore. plus i've
got earworms,some song,melody or lyric gets stuck in my head and plays
over and over again without stopping. it started turning abusive in
1993 as i couldn't control it anymore and i still have these earworms
to this very day and i don't know what to do about it either. i'm on
medication to control my panic attacks and it's doing a good job
because i'm not housebound anymore,but i also need to be on medication
to control my depression. that's the biggest issue right now for me
because i don't feel like doing nothing. i started seeing a therapist
to talk about these issues of mine and after a few sessions she'll
send me to a psychiatrist to help me with my depression. i also want
to volunteer at my church so i can be out of the house and away from
my parents,especially my dad. also i need to be out of my parent's
home soon because they can't afford to live here anymore. i've got a
case worker at the michigan department of human services and i told
her about finding me a low rent place to live because i'm on a fixed
income per month,i'm on ssi now and she told me she can't because she
doesn't do that sort of stuff. is this true,i mean a case worker is
suspose to help people with this sort of stuff. can i get a new case
worker and report her to a superviser because i get the feeling she
doesn't want to help me with nothing. the reason i'm writing to you
all is because right now i don't have a support group to to now. i
used to have one and i really don't want to get into it because it's a
long story to sort out and all you people know what i'm going through.
also maryann invited me to the aim christmas party and i might
go,thanks maryann. i just wanted to get this off my chest because it's
been bothering me a lot not talking to someone about this. that's all
for now and thanks for listening to me. merry christmas and keep the
faith in jesus.

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hi all,most of you don't know me but maryann and some of you do
because i went to the meetings at aim at 13/kelly on tuesday night.
right now i want to talk to you all because you know what i'm going
through with panic attacks and depression and this is my first post to
this group. i'm a christian and is saved by jesus's blood but
sometimes i just can't take it at times,like now. this is just a brief
history of my life,ok. my depression i believe started in high
school,i had no social life because i stuttered and still do and i got
picked on and teased becaused of it. i had no confidence and very low
self esteem,but i'm getting better because of jesus. i also came home
to a dysfunctional family,i'm 43 now and still living at home. my
panic attacks started in the summer of 1997,my first sympton started
then and it all went downhill after that as the other symptons came on
me. i finally had to quit work in january of 1999 because of it and i
haven't been to work since,i just couldn't take it anymore. plus i've
got earworms,some song,melody or lyric gets stuck in my head and plays
over and over again without stopping. it started turning abusive in
1993 as i couldn't control it anymore and i still have these earworms
to this very day and i don't know what to do about it either. i'm on
medication to control my panic attacks and it's doing a good job
because i'm not housebound anymore,but i also need to be on medication
to control my depression. that's the biggest issue right now for me
because i don't feel like doing nothing. i started seeing a therapist
to talk about these issues of mine and after a few sessions she'll
send me to a psychiatrist to help me with my depression. i also want
to volunteer at my church so i can be out of the house and away from
my parents,especially my dad. also i need to be out of my parent's
home soon because they can't afford to live here anymore. i've got a
case worker at the michigan department of human services and i told
her about finding me a low rent place to live because i'm on a fixed
income per month,i'm on ssi now and she told me she can't because she
doesn't do that sort of stuff. is this true,i mean a case worker is
suspose to help people with this sort of stuff. can i get a new case
worker and report her to a superviser because i get the feeling she
doesn't want to help me with nothing. the reason i'm writing to you
all is because right now i don't have a support group to to now. i
used to have one and i really don't want to get into it because it's a
long story to sort out and all you people know what i'm going through.
also maryann invited me to the aim christmas party and i might
go,thanks maryann. i just wanted to get this off my chest because it's
been bothering me a lot not talking to someone about this. that's all
for now and thanks for listening to me. merry christmas and keep the
faith in jesus.

People commonly handle phobias in one of three ways. First, they
completely avoid dealing with it because they believe it would be too
painful to handle. Second, they try to "live with it" because they
don't know how or where to seek help for the fear...or they can't
afford it, or feel too embarrassed. Finally, some people do seek
professional help, usually therapy, to help eliminate their phobia.
Traditional therapy may work in some cases, however, it usually takes
a long time, months or even years, and can be quite expensive.
An additional problem is that some therapists will prescribe drugs
such as tranquilizers or antidepressants to deal with the phobia.
However, the drugs will only cover up the symptoms of a phobia - they
don't address the cause. Furthermore, these drugs can have side
effects that are worse than the phobia itself. Taking drugs to help a
phobia would be like trying to fix a leak in a pipe by putting your
finger on the leak. It can stop the leak for a while, but it is not a
good solution long-term.
If you have enough patience, you could stay there long enough that
there may not even seem to be a leak. But the moment you take your
finger off, the leak comes back. The smart thing to do is call a
plumber and have him repair or replace the pipe that is the source of
the leak.
Some therapists also use exposure or desensitization therapy, in
which they try to help you relax and then expose you - either
gradually or all at once - to the stimulus that creates fear. This
process, to me, seems violent, and while it may help you to cope with
the fear, it does not actually eliminate the source of the fear -
which is the energetic blockage. And in some cases this process can
create additional trauma for the client.
http://phobiapjvl.blogspot.com/#

MAG:

    I am planning on bringing the web server down sometime tomorrow.
This is to change the computer's power supply fan, if not the power
supply itself, which is failing.

Scott

"

Dear Seagull,
I am sorry to hear of you unfortunate events circling you right now but
please be assured you are not alone. This group is made up of many
unique talents in helping those in need. In your situation where I too
have been and visit there is no single answer to your questions. I am a
medicated bipolar person who also suffers from anxiety, panic attacks,
and at one time horrible agoraphobia.
The agoraphobia for me was horrible in the sense that I could not so
much as leave my recliner without feeling safe. I lost many friends
because they simply did not understand or maybe were afraid to
understand how a person who is outgoing, active at work, and on the go
all the time was suddenly constrained to a recliner in her living room.
Things are different where I live and I did commit myself to a psyche
ward (I was not suicidal or homicidal because I was in desperate need
of help for the sake of my children. I could not longer see the look in
their eyes when they saw me experience a panic attack (which I truly
did believe would kill me sooner or later), and then see me break down
in tears. Yes, in the beginning I was heavily medicated but today I am
happy to say I have decreased some of my medications which in turn took
much work on my part. I found AIM back in 2004 shortly after the
holidays and that is where changes began to occur. Leaving the house to
attend the first meeting was overwhelming, scary, and I was lucky to
have my husband drive me to and from for many weeks.
Family and school has kept me from attending the weekly meetings but
there are other means of support such as this for one, and I agree
positive affirmations worked for me and I continue them even today. I
can hear Mary Ann saying if you forget one day you must begin again and
keep them going for I think 30 days without missing a day. I can also
remember that in order to begin one must keep their affirmation short
like three or four words and grow after time. Might I suggest trying
this either for the first time or start using them again. Be positive
and firm when you decide which one to use. For as weak as I felt back
then I choose my affirmation as "I am strong" and changed them monthly
to work on the areas I felt were my weakest points.
Today I leave my house with confidence and am able to drive around town
without going into a complete frenzy just walking out the door. I know
you can do this as well you just need some help from us.
Blessings
Mary

Hello,

Well I am at my wits end,,,don't know what to do anymore, or where to turn. I rarely have days or weeks like this,,,but being this group helps with depression,,anxiety etc,,,I have them all and could use some help.

I know that I am alone way too much,,,friends have come and gone out of my life,,big time in the past few years. Have tried to make new friends and it is all turning up to be nothing but more distress for me,,as I am a very caring person,,will do anything within my limits and power to be a good friend. I have always been there for those that I have loved and befriended. Now my family all but one has turned against me, and even the one left can't be trusted,,,,the rest of my family does not want to have anything to do with me unless they have a problem or need me to loan them money or something. My so called friends well they are about in the same boat I am in......

I am not willing at this time to try antidepressants am very sensitive to meds,,,and do not want to deal with the added side affects that they cause...my counselor is just like the rest of them,,,as long as you are paying them they seem to care,,other then that if you don't make an appt not like they call to see how you are doing....so am not into going to a counselor right now, the last time I spoke to him, I said I was ready to commit myself to a mental place here, he said well if that is what you feel you need to do...then do it.  Have had my share and given enough of my money to them.

I realize that I am alone way too much, a night and daymare for anyone with anxiety/panic/PTSD etc,,,my hubby is suffering on the job with attitudes,,and with the pain he has to live with in his body,,,,and I know and have been told so many times that it is all in the way we think or react to situations around us,,,to think that it could be worse,,,no thanks I don't need to think of how it can be worse,,,we have lost loved ones this year to death,,,another that is dealing with cancer ,,,and I won't go into all the rest.....

I am thankful that I don't have to go out and work everyday as I know that finances are a major issue with so many. But the saying goes you can't buy happiness with money,,nor can you buy your health,,well I will add to that you can not buy your sanity either.

If anyone has been where I am,,,lonely,,,fed up etc,,please feel free to email me,,,I don't even want to call any of my "so called" friends here,,being when I do all they do is dump on me with their problems,,so I would rather go to a group like this,,,that has possibly been where I am,,,and not knowing where to turn to,,,

There are no support groups here in my area for anxiety etc,,,,,,so all I have at this point is groups online and God,,,,,

Thanks for letting me vent,,,if you don't want to bother the boards with this just email me personally,,,,,

Take Care and Hope Your day is blessed~

Seagull

<><

Hi,
Well I posted a msg here earlier,,,and did not copy it so now I
don't want to write it all over again but it never posted.

I am in need of some help,,,to put it quickly, I am alone too much
not good I know,,and suffering with anxiety, depression
etc,,,friends are lacking due to their own personal problems, that
they have told me all about of course. I have always been a sponge
and a good friend. But I am the one in need right now of some
guidance.

My counselor along with others I have gone to have not been much
help. The last time I spoke with him which was months ago,,told him
I was losing it and ready to commit myself,,,and the only way you
can get committed here is to say that you are thinking of taking
your own life,,which I wasn't going to go there with that on my
head. Anyway,,I take mild doeses of xanax, am very sensitive to
meds, have a long history of sensitivity, and do not want to start
<have tried a few> with bad reactions to antidepressants. I do not
need the added side affects of them,,,

I suffer from GAD/panic attacks/PTSD/and now the agoraphobia is
getting worse too.

Have tried to get in touch with new people here to start some form
of support or just friendships, and so far it is a very trying
situation. I did notice that you have a 12 step program Mary Ann
that you mention,,,and was wondering being I can't get together here
in Vegas for a group type setting if you could email it to me or
something.

I am desperate for some answers have read the books,,,have the
programs,,,have searched high and low for answers and help,,to no
avail...I am desperate for some advice. Finding it very hard to
believe that the "only" so called cure for this is meds,,,as I know
hundreds of people that are on meds for this and are in the same
boat I am,,,,,,,there has got to be an answer.

Please feel free to email me privately,,,or post to the group. This
time I will copy this post as I don't want to write it again.....

In Need~
God Bless~
Seagull
<><

Hi Chris,
Thank you so much for your warm welcome. I fully understand re: the control thing and the way you grew up. My story is a lot like yours, different of course in some ways like we all are. It takes a lot of courage at times to just put one foot in front of the other. If it were not for my belief and those that have stuck by me through all of this, I do know that it would of gotten far worse.

Life has a way of throwing curve balls at us, and I sometimes seek the solitude of my home which in many more ways then one has  become my prison. So much of this is the way we were raised,,,even tho dysfuntional is a common word nowadays, but when I was being raised guess I just thought all the chaos etc,,was normal. Looking back now and the trials I have been though in life, knowing that I am still around for some reason, gives me hope. It is surely a rollercoaster ride, but as you mentioned we have to have hope.

I am in contact with a woman that was on the Dr Phil show, and from what she has told me there is a new device out there that will truly be heaven sent for us that suffer with so much of this. I will keep you all updated,,,if it helps one person then it is all worth it.

Have a great day, and thanks again for sharing your thoughts with me. Appreciate it very much,,,
Winged Hugs~
Seagull
<><

--- In a-i-m@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Fragassi" <spektek@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lasvegascgull!
>
> I am also new to this site but have suffered with panic/anxiety attacks and some agoraphobia and everything that goes with it for most of my life. I could relate to a lot of what you describe, including the belief that I "had it all under control". I think a lot of the anxiety actually can be traced to a fear of loss of control. I grew up in an alcoholic home and because there was a lot of chaos in my life, I believed from a very young age that since chaos was frightening, my goal in life was to keep things in control and to prevent chaos. I am trying to "accept the things I cannot change" more and trying to realize that I can't control or prevent some things in my life. It's very hard sometimes. I have recently gone through some major life changes and am finding that I am battling more anxieties and phobias, including a fear of driving. I work at home now, which helps, but in some ways I think it reinforces the agoraphobia. It is depressing some days, when I feel like I'll never get over this, but I try to remember "There's no place like hope". I also have another saying that I remind myself of often: "Courage doesn't always roar...sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying 'I will try again tomorrow'." Good luck to you. I hope I hear more from you and how you're coping. It helps a lot to know that we're not alone. By the way, I share your phobia concerning dentists. It always causes me severe anxiety when I know I have to go for an appointment, even for a simple cleaning.
>
> Peace and serenity.
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lasvegascgull
> To: a-i-m@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:31 PM
> Subject: [a-i-m] New To Group~
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I joined this group today, found out about AIM via another group I belong to which sent a site on anxiety and just happened to click on AIM. Thanks to asking Mary Ann about whether they have any groups here in Las Vegas, I have now joined here and also met a fellow AIM member that does not live far from me. We were able to meet up yesterday at a park down the street from me.
>
> A bit about me,,,as I would be able to write a book like most of you that have this disorder. I went through some major issues in my life, and from what counselors etc have told me I did not learn coping skills. I always "believed" that I had it all in control,,,till the rug was pulled out from under me. Looking back now I realize that they are right. So with time and such with this disorder, I have been on the "brighter side" of it,,and the "darker side" too. I suffer from anxiety/panic attacks, PTSD, Agora and the beat goes on,,,,and depression of course is a part of all of it. I know there is no magic wand that can get rid of this, but would love to get rid of it or control it better. Looking back I believe I was "born and raised" to fall into this pattern,,,,if it is so easy to see it would seem to be easy to get rid of. But as I have found out it isn't.
>
> I also suffer from a major phobia with drs or medicines. That in itself is another story. Just for instance I need to get to the dentist for two crowns to be done,,,simple right,,well being I went through a heart test a few months ago at the ER,,,this should be a walk in the park,,,but I even wake up in the morning before opening my eyes and panic about going to the dentist and I have not even made the appt yet. I am really a "what if" person,,,,perfectionist,,,and it is taking it's toll on me.
>
> Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. It was such fun meeting another here in Vegas, and hopefully we can start a group here, knowing that there is not much help in this city is pretty sad when there are so many of us suffering.
>
> Hope everyone has a relaxing day,,,,
>
> Winged Hugs~
>
> Seagull
>
> <><
>

----- Original Message -----

From: lasvegascgull

To: a-i-m@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:31 PM

Subject: [a-i-m] New To Group~

Hello,

I joined this group today,  found out about AIM via another group I belong to which sent a site on anxiety and just happened to click on AIM. Thanks to asking Mary Ann about whether they have any groups here in Las Vegas, I have now joined here and also met a fellow AIM member that does not live far from me. We were able to meet up yesterday at a park down the street from me.

A bit about me,,,as I would be able to write a book like most of you that have this disorder. I went through some major issues in my life, and from what counselors etc have told me I did not learn coping skills. I always "believed" that I had it all in control,,,till the rug was pulled out from under me. Looking back now I realize that they are right. So with time and such with this disorder, I have been on the "brighter side" of it,,and the "darker side" too. I suffer from anxiety/panic attacks, PTSD, Agora and the beat goes on,,,,and depression of course is a part of all of it. I know there is no magic wand that can get rid of this, but would love to get rid of it or control it better. Looking back I believe I was "born and raised" to fall into this pattern,,,,if it is so easy to see it would seem to be easy to get rid of. But as I have found out it isn't.

I also suffer from a major phobia with drs or medicines. That in itself is another story. Just for instance I need to get to the dentist for two crowns to be done,,,simple right,,well being I went through a heart test a few months ago at the ER,,,this should be a walk in the park,,,but I even wake up in the morning before opening my eyes and panic about going to the dentist and I have not even made the appt yet. I am really a "what if" person,,,,perfectionist,,,and it is taking it's toll on me.

Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. It was such fun meeting another here in Vegas, and hopefully we can start a group here, knowing that there is not much help in this city is pretty sad when there are so many of us suffering.

Hope everyone has a relaxing day,,,,

Winged Hugs~

Seagull

<><

Hello,

I joined this group today,  found out about AIM via another group I belong to which sent a site on anxiety and just happened to click on AIM. Thanks to asking Mary Ann about whether they have any groups here in Las Vegas, I have now joined here and also met a fellow AIM member that does not live far from me. We were able to meet up yesterday at a park down the street from me.

A bit about me,,,as I would be able to write a book like most of you that have this disorder. I went through some major issues in my life, and from what counselors etc have told me I did not learn coping skills. I always "believed" that I had it all in control,,,till the rug was pulled out from under me. Looking back now I realize that they are right. So with time and such with this disorder, I have been on the "brighter side" of it,,and the "darker side" too. I suffer from anxiety/panic attacks, PTSD, Agora and the beat goes on,,,,and depression of course is a part of all of it. I know there is no magic wand that can get rid of this, but would love to get rid of it or control it better. Looking back I believe I was "born and raised" to fall into this pattern,,,,if it is so easy to see it would seem to be easy to get rid of. But as I have found out it isn't.

I also suffer from a major phobia with drs or medicines. That in itself is another story. Just for instance I need to get to the dentist for two crowns to be done,,,simple right,,well being I went through a heart test a few months ago at the ER,,,this should be a walk in the park,,,but I even wake up in the morning before opening my eyes and panic about going to the dentist and I have not even made the appt yet. I am really a "what if" person,,,,perfectionist,,,and it is taking it's toll on me.

Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. It was such fun meeting another here in Vegas, and hopefully we can start a group here, knowing that there is not much help in this city is pretty sad when there are so many of us suffering.

Hope everyone has a relaxing day,,,,

Winged Hugs~

Seagull

<><

Thank you for the information. I have learned something. Also,
Lenard Nemoy, of Star Trek fame is also Jewish. (It doesn't matter to
me, he is a good actor and I grew up with Jewish neighbors - Good
people) Anyway the Vulcan salute comes from Jewish priests. Anyway,
also interesting is that Jesus was Jewish (some people may not know this).

I also have problems eating outside the home. Don't know why, but I
do. To aid in getting over this I eat a small amount each time I'm
out. Also as time and reoccurrences happen, I eat a little bit more.

Exercise, such as walking does help with the anxiety. We know that
when we get anxious we get a flight or fight feeling. Both require some
movement. Walking is such action but we are neither fleeing the
situation nor are we fighting. The good part is that our adenilan is
not escalating to increase either feeling and it is a neutral response.
However some action is being taken and that helps burn off the excess
energy.

That is what you should do - Take one day at a time. It may be
necessary to even take one moment at a time. Either way, it is OK.

Going out to get dinner. That's normal around here though not the
best. Our pets think we are the greatest hunters! Not only do we go
out and get food, but also bring it back cooked! :-)

Humor as I see it is the 13th tool of AIM.

And no offense here speaking of your religion. I look at it as I
learned something and I thank you.

Scott

hmsherm63 wrote:
> Scott, thanks for the encouragement.
>
> In a matter of 3 weeks, we have 3 of the 5 major holidays. First is
> Rosh Hashanah. this is the day, God created Man. It is the day that
> He actually comes down to us. Much like a King that stays in the
> castle all year except now the King rides through the towns and
> fields to meet his subjects. It is also on this day that the book of
> life is open. Over the next ten days, it is decided who will live
> and who will die in the comming year. God takes a much closer look
> at us. And we are too. this leads to the holiest of holy days.
>
> Yom Kippur. The day of atonement. This is the day we fast for 25
> hours (no food, water, etc.) We spend the day praying for
> forgiveness for our numerout sins. Such as thinking that we are
> screwups and why in the heck did He put me here. God has no faults,
> it is us that fails to see our purpose or that we do not meet our own
> expectations. We should not meet our expectations, we should be
> striving to meet His. It is on this day that the Book of Life is
> sealed and our fate for the year is decided. Again who will live and
> who will die, how much money we will make etc.
>
> Tomorrow night at Sundown is the festival of Succot. This is a 9 day
> festival to commemorate the Exodous from Egypt. We build temporary
> stuctures called Succah in which we 'live'. Actually, we only have
> to have one meal in the Succah on the first night. But the more
> things we can do in the Succah, the better. So, I spent the week
> putting up this structure. With my son's help and my wife's negative
> comments, it got done. No, we did not live in huts in the dessert,
> but we were protected by God's cloud. This is one of the 3
> pilgramages that God commands Jews to make to The Temple each year.
> At the end of Succot, is the holiday of Simchas Torah. A simcha is a
> celebration or a good event. Your birthday (anyone's for that
> matter) is a simcha. And Torah is the first 5 books of the bible
> (Old Testament to non-Jews. To Jews there is no Old as there is no
> New. The New T is about the life and resurrection of the Messiah,
> which, ask any Jewish person, has not come yet.) Anyway, I digress.
> On Simchas Torah, we end reading the last portion of the Torah,
> covering the death of Moses and right away begin the book of Genesis
> with the creation of the world.
>
> There is a lot of prep for these holidays. there is the spiritual,
> mental, emotional, and physical. The is a lot of planning for the
> different celebratory meals. Then there are all the meals out at
> other people's houses. Compared to my sins, eating at other people's
> houses would seem trivial. But this is one of my most anxious
> times. So, I get caught between a rock and a hard place. do I do
> all the cooking and attempt or follow the restrictions at home, or go
> to other's houses for the meals. My family is less than supportive
> about following the guidelines. My wife is of the thought that a
> meal out is one less that we have to cook.
>
> This morning I woke up with my fist anxiety/panic attack in over a
> year. A level seven. I got out of bed and took Joe (our dog; he is
> awesome) for a walk to walk away from the feelings. Funny, no matter
> where i walked those feelings kept right up with me. It is like
> stepping in dog poop and not being able to get it off. (I know i may
> not be telling you anyting new here but...)
>
> As it turned out, the walk did help, I was feeling better as the day
> went on. I am doing by best to take these days one at a time. it is
> too much to take them all at once (although with restrictions of not
> being able to use electricity or cook on some days, planning ahead is
> necessary). I try do my best to put myself in God's hands. I know
> He is there reaching for me and offering His support, but i am so
> blind at times and so lost that I miss.
>
> Sorry this was so long. And I really hope I did not offend anyone by
> speaking on the practices of my faith.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> By the way, I read the handout and the jokes are great, I got alot of
> groans from the people I shared the jokes with.
>
> Harley

Thank you for the information.  I have learned something.  Also,
Lenard Nemoy, of Star Trek fame is also Jewish.  (It doesn't matter to
me, he is a good actor and I grew up with Jewish neighbors - Good
people)  Anyway the Vulcan salute comes from Jewish priests.  Anyway,
also interesting is that Jesus was Jewish (some people may not know this).

    I also have problems eating outside the home.  Don't know why, but I
do.  To aid in getting over this I eat a small amount each time I'm
out.  Also as time and reoccurrences happen, I eat a little bit more.

    Exercise, such as walking does help with the anxiety.  We know that
when we get anxious we get a flight or fight feeling.  Both require some
movement.  Walking is such action but we are neither fleeing the
situation nor are we fighting.  The good part is that our adenilan is
not escalating to increase either feeling and it is a neutral response.
However some action is being taken and that helps burn off the excess
energy.

    That is what you should do - Take one day at a time.  It may be
necessary to even take one moment at a time.  Either way, it is OK.

    Going out to get dinner.  That's normal around here though not the
best.  Our pets think we are the greatest hunters!  Not only do we go
out and get food, but also bring it back cooked!  :-)

    Humor as I see it is the 13th tool of AIM.

    And no offense here speaking of your religion.  I look at it as I
learned something and I thank you.

Scott



hmsherm63 wrote:
> Scott, thanks for the encouragement.
>
> In a matter of 3 weeks, we have 3 of the 5 major holidays.  First is
> Rosh Hashanah.  this is the day, God created Man.  It is the day that
> He actually comes down to us.  Much like a King that stays in the
> castle all year except now the King rides through the towns and
> fields to meet his subjects.  It is also on this day that the book of
> life is open.  Over the next ten days, it is decided who will live
> and who will die in the comming year.  God takes a much closer look
> at us.  And we are too.  this leads to the holiest of holy days.
>
>  Yom Kippur.  The day of atonement.  This is the day we fast for 25
> hours (no food, water, etc.)  We spend the day praying for
> forgiveness for our numerout sins.  Such as thinking that we are
> screwups and why in the heck did He put me here.  God has no faults,
> it is us that fails to see our purpose or that we do not meet our own
> expectations.  We should not meet our expectations, we should be
> striving to meet His.  It is on this day that the Book of Life is
> sealed and our fate for the year is decided.  Again who will live and
> who will die, how much money we will make etc.
>
> Tomorrow night at Sundown is the festival of Succot.  This is a 9 day
> festival to commemorate the Exodous from Egypt.  We build temporary
> stuctures called Succah in which we 'live'.  Actually, we only have
> to have one meal in the Succah on the first night.  But the more
> things we can do in the Succah, the better.  So, I spent the week
> putting up this structure.  With my son's help and my wife's negative
> comments, it got done.  No, we did not live in huts in the dessert,
> but we were protected by God's cloud.  This is one of the 3
> pilgramages that God commands Jews to make to The Temple each year.
> At the end of Succot, is the holiday of Simchas Torah.  A simcha is a
> celebration or a good event.  Your birthday (anyone's for that
> matter) is a simcha.  And Torah is the first 5 books of the bible
> (Old Testament to non-Jews.  To Jews there is no Old as there is no
> New.  The New T is about the life and resurrection of the Messiah,
> which, ask any Jewish person, has not come yet.)  Anyway, I digress.
> On Simchas Torah, we end reading the last portion of the Torah,
> covering the death of Moses and right away begin the book of Genesis
> with the creation of the world.
>
> There is a lot of prep for these holidays.  there is the spiritual,
> mental, emotional, and physical.  The is a lot of planning for the
> different celebratory meals.  Then there are all the meals out at
> other people's houses.  Compared to my sins, eating at other people's
> houses would seem trivial.  But this is one of my most anxious
> times.  So, I get caught between a rock and a hard place.  do I do
> all the cooking and attempt or follow the restrictions at home, or go
> to other's houses for the meals.  My family is less than supportive
> about following the guidelines.  My wife is of the thought that a
> meal out is one less that we have to cook.
>
> This morning I woke up with my fist anxiety/panic attack in over a
> year.  A level seven.  I got out of bed and took Joe (our dog; he is
> awesome) for a walk to walk away from the feelings.  Funny, no matter
> where i walked those feelings kept right up with me.  It is like
> stepping in dog poop and not being able to get it off. (I know i may
> not be telling you anyting new here but...)
>
> As it turned out, the walk did help, I was feeling better as the day
> went on.  I am doing by best to take these days one at a time.  it is
> too much to take them all at once (although with restrictions of not
> being able to use electricity or cook on some days, planning ahead is
> necessary).  I try do my best to put myself in God's hands.  I know
> He is there reaching for me and offering His support, but i am so
> blind at times and so lost that I miss.
>
> Sorry this was so long.  And I really hope I did not offend anyone by
> speaking on the practices of my faith.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> By the way, I read the handout and the jokes are great, I got alot of
> groans from the people I shared the jokes with.
>
> Harley

Scott, thanks for the encouragement.

In a matter of 3 weeks, we have 3 of the 5 major holidays.  First is
Rosh Hashanah.  this is the day, God created Man.  It is the day that
He actually comes down to us.  Much like a King that stays in the
castle all year except now the King rides through the towns and
fields to meet his subjects.  It is also on this day that the book of
life is open.  Over the next ten days, it is decided who will live
and who will die in the comming year.  God takes a much closer look
at us.  And we are too.  this leads to the holiest of holy days.

  Yom Kippur.  The day of atonement.  This is the day we fast for 25
hours (no food, water, etc.)  We spend the day praying for
forgiveness for our numerout sins.  Such as thinking that we are
screwups and why in the heck did He put me here.  God has no faults,
it is us that fails to see our purpose or that we do not meet our own
expectations.  We should not meet our expectations, we should be
striving to meet His.  It is on this day that the Book of Life is
sealed and our fate for the year is decided.  Again who will live and
who will die, how much money we will make etc.

Tomorrow night at Sundown is the festival of Succot.  This is a 9 day
festival to commemorate the Exodous from Egypt.  We build temporary
stuctures called Succah in which we 'live'.  Actually, we only have
to have one meal in the Succah on the first night.  But the more
things we can do in the Succah, the better.  So, I spent the week
putting up this structure.  With my son's help and my wife's negative
comments, it got done.  No, we did not live in huts in the dessert,
but we were protected by God's cloud.  This is one of the 3
pilgramages that God commands Jews to make to The Temple each year.
At the end of Succot, is the holiday of Simchas Torah.  A simcha is a
celebration or a good event.  Your birthday (anyone's for that
matter) is a simcha.  And Torah is the first 5 books of the bible
(Old Testament to non-Jews.  To Jews there is no Old as there is no
New.  The New T is about the life and resurrection of the Messiah,
which, ask any Jewish person, has not come yet.)  Anyway, I digress.
On Simchas Torah, we end reading the last portion of the Torah,
covering the death of Moses and right away begin the book of Genesis
with the creation of the world.

There is a lot of prep for these holidays.  there is the spiritual,
mental, emotional, and physical.  The is a lot of planning for the
different celebratory meals.  Then there are all the meals out at
other people's houses.  Compared to my sins, eating at other people's
houses would seem trivial.  But this is one of my most anxious
times.  So, I get caught between a rock and a hard place.  do I do
all the cooking and attempt or follow the restrictions at home, or go
to other's houses for the meals.  My family is less than supportive
about following the guidelines.  My wife is of the thought that a
meal out is one less that we have to cook.

This morning I woke up with my fist anxiety/panic attack in over a
year.  A level seven.  I got out of bed and took Joe (our dog; he is
awesome) for a walk to walk away from the feelings.  Funny, no matter
where i walked those feelings kept right up with me.  It is like
stepping in dog poop and not being able to get it off. (I know i may
not be telling you anyting new here but...)

As it turned out, the walk did help, I was feeling better as the day
went on.  I am doing by best to take these days one at a time.  it is
too much to take them all at once (although with restrictions of not
being able to use electricity or cook on some days, planning ahead is
necessary).  I try do my best to put myself in God's hands.  I know
He is there reaching for me and offering His support, but i am so
blind at times and so lost that I miss.

Sorry this was so long.  And I really hope I did not offend anyone by
speaking on the practices of my faith.

Have a great day!

By the way, I read the handout and the jokes are great, I got alot of
groans from the people I shared the jokes with.

Harley

--- In a-i-m@yahoogroups.com, scott <svetter@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
>   Being on the HelpLine helps not only the caller but yourself as
well.
> It does take a bit of a thick skin to be on the Help Line.
>
>    Do tell about the issues during the Jewish Holiday.  Just that
for me
> understanding the different religions helps me understand others
better.
>
>    It is pretty "wacked", but we all revel in the negative instead
of
> the positive.  After all why do we watch the news, talk shows,
listen to
> police and fire calls on the scanner, listen to and pass on
gossip.  The
> list goes on.  Yes, we do need to stop the negatives and unhealthy
> cycles that suck us in.  And we are going to be miserable about it.
It's
> an addiction and when you fight it you will not be happy about it.
But
> any recovery is going to involve pain and the more pain, the more
> apparent worth.
>
>
>
> hmsherm63 wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been unable to attend the meetings.
> >
> > Things are going ok.  I did sign up for taking calls at night
once a
> > month.
> >
> > I just want to say hello.  I hope everyone is doing well.  The
Jewish
> > High Holiday season in in full swing; these bring their own
issues
> > which I will skip for the time being.
> >
> > Things here are going ok.  As with everyone else, there are the
days
> > and weeks that I feel I will never ever get out of the funk and
it
> > becomes such a vicious circle.  But then there is this sick part
of me
> > that revels in the anger and hate that builds.  It is this self-
> > punishing process that I find this sick satisfaction in.
Satisfaction
> > is not the right word; perhaps pleasure.  Funny, part of me wants
to
> > stop the cycle from building, but the more i can be angry at
myself and
> > punish myself I get this rush of power.  Now how whacked is that?
> >
> > Har
> >
> >
>

Greetings!

   Being on the HelpLine helps not only the caller but yourself as well.
It does take a bit of a thick skin to be on the Help Line.

    Do tell about the issues during the Jewish Holiday.  Just that for me
understanding the different religions helps me understand others better.

    It is pretty "wacked", but we all revel in the negative instead of
the positive.  After all why do we watch the news, talk shows, listen to
police and fire calls on the scanner, listen to and pass on gossip.  The
list goes on.  Yes, we do need to stop the negatives and unhealthy
cycles that suck us in.  And we are going to be miserable about it. It's
an addiction and when you fight it you will not be happy about it.  But
any recovery is going to involve pain and the more pain, the more
apparent worth.



hmsherm63 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been unable to attend the meetings.
>
> Things are going ok.  I did sign up for taking calls at night once a
> month.
>
> I just want to say hello.  I hope everyone is doing well.  The Jewish
> High Holiday season in in full swing; these bring their own issues
> which I will skip for the time being.
>
> Things here are going ok.  As with everyone else, there are the days
> and weeks that I feel I will never ever get out of the funk and it
> becomes such a vicious circle.  But then there is this sick part of me
> that revels in the anger and hate that builds.  It is this self-
> punishing process that I find this sick satisfaction in.  Satisfaction
> is not the right word; perhaps pleasure.  Funny, part of me wants to
> stop the cycle from building, but the more i can be angry at myself and
> punish myself I get this rush of power.  Now how whacked is that?
>
> Har
>
>

Hi,

I have been unable to attend the meetings.

Things are going ok.  I did sign up for taking calls at night once a
month.

I just want to say hello.  I hope everyone is doing well.  The Jewish
High Holiday season in in full swing; these bring their own issues
which I will skip for the time being.

Things here are going ok.  As with everyone else, there are the days
and weeks that I feel I will never ever get out of the funk and it
becomes such a vicious circle.  But then there is this sick part of me
that revels in the anger and hate that builds.  It is this self-
punishing process that I find this sick satisfaction in.  Satisfaction
is not the right word; perhaps pleasure.  Funny, part of me wants to
stop the cycle from building, but the more i can be angry at myself and
punish myself I get this rush of power.  Now how whacked is that?

Har

Hi Scott,

Just wanted to see how you are doing.

Har

--- In a-i-m@yahoogroups.com, scott <svetter@...> wrote:
>
>    Well it's that time of year again where the spouse goes on her
> vacation.  In the past it's been one week.  This time it will be two
> weeks.  Each time I meet it with dread and bad anxiety.  Anyone feel
> like this?  Does your spouse leave to go out of state one week or
> perhaps two?  What do you do?
>

Yes,

I am sure I am feeding it, as dispite my attempt to shake out of it,
there is this pleasure in the pain.  I hold on to that anger and
dispite the pain and such there is some pleasure in knowing that I
think I am controlling it by hanging on to it.

Neither do I. Or I do and I just cant figure out or don't want to know
what it is.

As for anger, the only thing it seems to be doing now is alienating
myself from everyone and promoting the vortex that is sucking me inside
myself. What the heck is the point of that?

Neither do I. Or I do and I just cant figure out or don't want to know
what it is.

As for anger, the only thing it seems to be doing now is alienating
myself from everyone and promoting the vortex that is sucking me inside
myself.  What the heck is the point of that?