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Greg, does this mean , in your view , it would be appropriate for a heroine or cocaine addict ( Recovered ) to sponsor an alcoholic through the 12 step programme to recovery , even though the sponsor may not have a problem with alcohol ?
The answer to your first question is simply that the program was
founded by individuals who suffered primarily from alcoholism. You
don't think that drinking alcohol along with taking a sedative is
abuse?
My point is this; too much is made of the alcoholic vs druggie
debate. Both suffer from the same disease, in that they are both the
primary symptoms of a physical and spiritual malady, mental
obsession and physical allergy, a 'hopeless state of mind and body'.
I've had the exact same experience that you describe regarding
prescription drugs. However, when I smoked weed, I couldn't get
enough. Same with heroin. Same with crack. Same with nicotine. Same
with cocaine, and acid, and alcohol, etc, etc. Even though I knew
these substances were 'injurious' to me, I couldn't stop; I could no
longer differentiate the truth from the false. The Doctor's Opinion
speaks perfectly to the addict's malady. So, using your logic, am I
not an addict also? Am I not an alcoholic? Of course I am!
Your logic is flawed.
You cannot hide behind the traditions and what all these 'other
books' (1st page of the Big Book) say. There is NOTHING in the 1st
164 pages of the Big Book that a suffering addict cannot identify
with, that doesn't describe him, as long as he is open-minded,
ESPECIALLY to the solution. Because at the end of the day, THAT's
what really matters.
The Pioneers of Cocaine Anonymous understood this. The Pioneers of
Narcotics Anonymous didn't.
For the record, alcoholic is a mind and mood-altering substance,
just like the other aforementioned substances. The only difference
is that it's legal to purchase.
At the end of the day, it's a drug.
I know some 'high falutin' AA's struggle with that, but that doesn't
make it anyless truthful.
founded by individuals who suffered primarily from alcoholism. You
don't think that drinking alcohol along with taking a sedative is
abuse?
My point is this; too much is made of the alcoholic vs druggie
debate. Both suffer from the same disease, in that they are both the
primary symptoms of a physical and spiritual malady, mental
obsession and physical allergy, a 'hopeless state of mind and body'.
I've had the exact same experience that you describe regarding
prescription drugs. However, when I smoked weed, I couldn't get
enough. Same with heroin. Same with crack. Same with nicotine. Same
with cocaine, and acid, and alcohol, etc, etc. Even though I knew
these substances were 'injurious' to me, I couldn't stop; I could no
longer differentiate the truth from the false. The Doctor's Opinion
speaks perfectly to the addict's malady. So, using your logic, am I
not an addict also? Am I not an alcoholic? Of course I am!
Your logic is flawed.
You cannot hide behind the traditions and what all these 'other
books' (1st page of the Big Book) say. There is NOTHING in the 1st
164 pages of the Big Book that a suffering addict cannot identify
with, that doesn't describe him, as long as he is open-minded,
ESPECIALLY to the solution. Because at the end of the day, THAT's
what really matters.
The Pioneers of Cocaine Anonymous understood this. The Pioneers of
Narcotics Anonymous didn't.
For the record, alcoholic is a mind and mood-altering substance,
just like the other aforementioned substances. The only difference
is that it's legal to purchase.
At the end of the day, it's a drug.
I know some 'high falutin' AA's struggle with that, but that doesn't
make it anyless truthful.
Greg G. wrote (and partially quoted):
> <<The Big Book says that we are recovering from 'a seemingly
hopeless state of mind and body'. This, combined with the
information
> contained in the 'Doctor's Opinion', tells me that 'alcoholism'
and 'addiction' are one and the same.>>
>
> So why is it that they didn't call the book; "Anything Anonymous"?
>
> On pages 6 and 7 Bill wrote: "A doctor came with a heavy sedative.
Next day found me drinking both gin and sedative."
> Where does it say he abused them, or that he was addicted to them?
I'm a real alcoholic that abused prescription medications. NA 'told
me' (from info on their web site) that I'm not an addict. As the BB
says, I had a sufficient reason to quit taking those prescription
drugs (because I ran out and the doctor didn't prescribe me any
more). I was able to do that, but when the same doctor told me my
liver was trashed and that if I didn't stop drinking, I was going to
die. But I couldn't stop drinking. It took a power greater than
myself to restore me to sanity. 'Alcoholism' and 'addiction' are NOT
one and the same.
>
> ~ Rotax Steve
>
> "...today is the tomorrow I worried about yesterday."
>
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