When buying olive oil you will want to obtain a high quality EXTRA
VIRGIN oil. The oil that comes from the first "pressing" of the olive,
is extracted without using heat (a cold press) or chemicals, and has
no "off" flavors is awarded "extra virgin" status. The less the olive
oil is handled, the closer to its natural state, the better the oil.
If the olive oil meets all the criteria, it can be designated as
"extra virgin".
    "Light" olive oil is a marketing concept and not a classification
of olive oil grades. It is completely unregulated by any certification
organizations and therefore has no real precedent to what its content
should be. Sometimes, the olive oil is cut with other vegetable oils.
  So when looking for olive oli look for " first cold pressed extra
virgin".
Olive oil can be used for gentle sauteing or as a dressing or dip but
you should not fry ot bake with it, the oil is not stable enough for that.
   For baking you can buy a tub of Palm shortening ( at the health food
store) or use butter or lard or any mixture of all 3. Lard at the
regular stores is hydrogenated, but you can usually buy (
house)rendered lard at the Asian supermarkets and often this stuff is
ok, unless they burn it..and your nose will tell you that ( yes, it
does come from factory pigs but it is not hydrogenated). It runs about
$1/lb. Sometime you can buy organic lard mail order but it seems to be
10-15$/ lb, out of my range...
Palm shortening is not the same as palm oil ( which is a red oil)and
you may be very comfortable baking with it as ir really resembles
crisco. I use half butter half palm shortening for pie crust. For
frying my favorite is ghee, which I have only been using a few
months..it's like cooking with butter only the solids have been
removed so it doesn't burn. I make my own ghee but you can  get it at
most markets in OKC- the asia marts have it, the gyro joints, and Buy
for less- any place with a middle easter slant will have ghee (
generally not Wal-Mart)..
Kathy gibb
OKC WAPF Chapter

-- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <shepdawgz@...> wrote:
>
> I have quit buying veg oil but was wondering what you all use in
> baking.  Sometimes I use coconut oil and like it, although my kids
> can "taste" something different.  I find the same thing with EVOO.  Is
> light olive oil an okay replacement in that situation?  Tell me about
> palm oil.  I've never used it and know nothing about it.
>
> BTW, I used CO to make a pie crust and thought it was to die for!  Way
> better than the "good" ones I used to make with Crisco (shudder).
>
> Thanks!
> Jamie
>
e oil used should be  {first cold pressed, virgin o

I have quit buying veg oil but was wondering what you all use in
baking.  Sometimes I use coconut oil and like it, although my kids
can "taste" something different.  I find the same thing with EVOO.  Is
light olive oil an okay replacement in that situation?  Tell me about
palm oil.  I've never used it and know nothing about it.

BTW, I used CO to make a pie crust and thought it was to die for!  Way
better than the "good" ones I used to make with Crisco (shudder).

Thanks!
Jamie

Well, I'm sort of new to simmering for a long time.  I've been using my
crockpot because I'm wary of leaving my stove on that long unattended.
However, I can tell you my experience with our electric smooth top.  I
was so excited when we moved here to see we had this because it is so
pretty and cleans up so well.  This was after having a gas stove that
was kind of a pain to keep clean.  Now I wish it were the other way
around.  I wish I had a gas stove.  You are right about the smooth top
cycling on and off during use, very frustrating.  Also, I am not
comfortable using a cast iron skillet on it.  I've read conflicting
things about that.  I already had to replace it once $$$.  I had
inadvertantly turned on the wrong burner under an empty tea kettle.  It
all melted to one piece, with the tea kettle taking a chunk of glass
with it when I finally got it up.  So, my vote would be for a gas stove
top.

HTH,
Jamie


--- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, "Guy Dickinson" <gdickinson@...>
wrote:
>
> Time to replace the kitchen range. Does anyone use a GAS or ELECTRIC
SMOOTHTOP kitchen range to simmer stocks for long periods? I simmer
beef stock for several days on our coiltop electric range and have had
no problems. Also does anyone use a cast iron skillet on their electric
smoothtop? One complaint on the electric smoothtop is the elements
shutting off and on during use.From what I have heard the CONVECTION
oven sounds like a good feature to have.
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---  I would worry more about buying  a good brand of CLO since so
many of them  have synthetic vitamin A and D added. Take CLO  mainly
for vit A and D, as you can get omega 3 oils from many other diet
sources like ground flaxseed  and oily fish such as salmon (wild
caught, not farmed)...of course the no-brainer way to balance the
ratio of omega6 to omega 3 is to simply stop eating vegetable oils
like corn, soybean, safflower,  canola and peanut..just take CLO and
use butter, coconut oil, virgin olive oil, fresh lard and palm oil
kathy


In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <shepdawgz@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Kathy, for sending the article about cod liver oil.  It is
> timely for me, as I am in the process of picking out something like
> that for my family.  I originally wanted fish oil but knew that CLO had
> additional benefits due to the vit. A & D.  However, I still want the
> levels of omega-3's for their benefits, like helping asthma, eczema,
> brain function, etc.  I know they'll be in there, too, but if I'm not
> sure about the levels of omega 3's vs. the vitamins.  If I want a
> certain level of omega 3's, will it be too much of the vitamins A & D?
> Sorry if this sounds convoluted - just trying to sort out what I need
> to get for my family and how much to give.
>
> Thanks!
> Jamie
>

Thank you, Kathy, for sending the article about cod liver oil.  It is
timely for me, as I am in the process of picking out something like
that for my family.  I originally wanted fish oil but knew that CLO had
additional benefits due to the vit. A & D.  However, I still want the
levels of omega-3's for their benefits, like helping asthma, eczema,
brain function, etc.  I know they'll be in there, too, but if I'm not
sure about the levels of omega 3's vs. the vitamins.  If I want a
certain level of omega 3's, will it be too much of the vitamins A & D?
Sorry if this sounds convoluted - just trying to sort out what I need
to get for my family and how much to give.

Thanks!
Jamie

> From: info@... <info@...>
> Subject: UPDATE ON COD LIVER OIL DECEMBER 2008
> To: hysenthlaydew@...
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 5:01 AM
> Dear Members,
>
> We are obliged to issue another official statement on cod
> liver oil after the November bulletin of the Vitamin D
> Council, which contains "an unprecedented warning about
> the ingestion of cod liver oil and resultant vitamin A
> toxicity."
>
> The warning accompanies a report on a review article
> co-authored by Dr. John Cannell, head of the Vitamin D
> Council, and fifteen other researchers, entitled "Cod
> Liver Oil, Vitamin A Toxicity, Frequent Respiratory
> Infections, and the Vitamin D Deficiency Epidemic" in
> the November issue of Annals of Otology, Rhinology and
> Laryngology.
>
> NO PROOF THAT VITAMIN A IS TOXIC
> Most of this paper is a review of studies showing the
> benefits of vitamin D in protecting against various
> illnesses, including respiratory infection. THIS PAPER DOES
> NOT PRESENT ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER INDICATING THAT COD
> LIVER OIL IS TOXIC, and, in fact, admits that vitamin A can
> significantly reduce the incidence of acute lower
> respiratory tract infections in Third World children.
>
> A portion of the review article is an attempt to explain
> why a 2004 study providing 600 to 700 IU of vitamin D and
> 3,500 IU of vitamin A in the form of cod liver oil and a
> multivitamin failed to meaningfully reduce upper respiratory
> tract infections when studies from the 1930s found that cod
> liver oil could reduce the incidence of these infections by
> 30 to 50 percent. The authors of the recent commentary
> suggested that the older studies were more effective because
> cod liver oil in the 1930s contained much more vitamin D.
> They suggested that modern cod liver oil is low in vitamin D
> because the deodorization process removes the vitamin while
> manufacturers fortify the oil with only a fraction of the
> original amount. As an example, they cited cod liver oil
> made by Nordic Naturals, advertised as containing only
> "naturally occurring vitamins A and D," which has
> only 3 to 60 IU of vitamin D per tablespoon but between 150
> and 12,000 times as much vitamin A.
>
> This conclusion is essentially the same as the conclusion
> reached by the Weston A. Price Foundation and the research
> of Chris Masterjohn; we have continually pointed out that
> vitamins A and D work together and that without vitamin D,
> vitamin A can be ineffective or even toxic. We do not
> recommend Nordic Naturals regular cod liver oil or any brand
> of cod liver oil that is low in vitamin D. But it is
> completely inappropriate to conclude from this 2004 study
> that cod liver oil is toxic because of its vitamin A
> content. Similar reviews could be put together showing the
> benefits of vitamin A and cod liver oil in numerous studies,
> including the studies from the 1930s. Obviously the
> solution is to use the type of cod liver oil that people
> took in the 1930s, which did not have most of the vitamin D
> removed by modern processing techniques.
>
> Our recommendations for cod liver oil brands can be found
> at
> westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/cod-liver-oil-menu.html
>
>
> VITAMIN A DOES NOT ANTAGONIZE VITAMIN D
> The Vitamin D Council report claims that the vitamin A in
> cod liver oil is excessive and antagonizes vitamin D by
> inhibiting the binding of its active form to DNA and thus
> preventing its ability to regulate the expression of vitamin
> D-responsive genes.
>
> Vitamins A and D are both precursors to active hormones
> that regulate the expression of genes. The body possesses
> certain enzymes that convert each of these in a two-step
> process to their active forms: vitamin A is converted to
> retinal and then to active retinoic acid while vitamin D is
> converted to calcidiol and then to active calcitriol. While
> directly consuming either retinoic acid or calcitriol would
> be unnatural, consuming vitamins A and D, together, as in
> cod liver oil, is perfectly natural. The enzymes involved
> in these conversions are responsible for producing
> incredibly powerful hormones and are therefore highly
> regulated.
>
> In order for vitamin D to activate the expression of its
> target genes, it must bind to the vitamin D receptor (VDR)
> and then combine with the retinoid X receptor (RXR), which
> is activated by a particular form of vitamin A called 9-cis
> retinoic acid. RESEARCHERS FROM SPAIN RECENTLY SHOWED THAT
> VITAMIN D CAN ONLY EFFECTIVELY ACTIVATE TARGET GENES WHEN
> ITS PARTNER RECEPTOR IS ACTIVATED BY VITAMIN A.
>
> In the ABSENCE OF VITAMIN A, molecules called
> "corepressors" bind to the VDR/RXR complex and
> PREVENT vitamin D from functioning.
>
> The molecular biology of 9-cis¬ retinoic acid, however, is
> extremely complex, and this has led to some confusion. The
> RXR and its activator 9-cis retinoic acid partner up not
> only with the vitamin D receptor, but also with the
> receptors for steroid hormones, thyroid hormone, and most
> other nuclear receptors. In fact, if enough 9-cis retinoic
> acid is present, RXRs will even partner up with themselves.
> Ordinarily, this versatile form of vitamin A is gradually
> derived in small amounts from the larger pool of all-trans
> retinoic acid as needed. When scientists add large amounts
> of 9-cis retinoic acid to isolated cells, then, it may cause
> effects that smaller amounts naturally produced in the cell
> would not cause.
>
> Researchers have shown, for example, that 9-cis retinoic
> acid interferes with the ability of vitamin D to stimulate
> the production of osteocalcin, a vitamin K-dependent protein
> involved in organizing the mineralized matrix of bone. This
> may have been because the excessive amount of 9-cis retinoic
> acid caused RXRs to pair up with themselves and thereby made
> these receptors unavailable to vitamin D. When scientists
> incubate cells with activated vitamin D and all-trans
> retinoic acid, ordinarily the source of 9¬-cis retinoic
> acid in the cell, the two hormones stimulate the production
> of osteocalcin with remarkable synergy.
>
> More information on the interactions between vitamins A and
> D can be found in these articles:
>
> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-k2.html
> http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamina-osteo.html
> http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html
>
> The Spanish research demonstrating the necessity of 9-cis¬
> retinoic acid for the functioning of the vitamin D receptor
> can be found here:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936639?
> http://mcb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/28/11/3817?
>
>
> PLANT FOODS ARE NOT A GOOD SOURCE OF VITAMIN A
> In the December Vitamin D Council newsletter, Dr. Cannell
> further claims that consuming preformed vitamin A is
> "unnatural" and that the body highly regulates the
> conversion of carotenoids found in vegetables to vitamin A
> as needed. However, the enzymes that convert carotenoids to
> vitamin A are less critically maintained because they are
> unneeded when preformed vitamin A is provided in the diet-as
> it usually is. They are therefore, like the enzymes that
> convert essential fatty acids in plant oils to their
> elongated and desaturated forms, subject to variations in
> genetics, circumstantial health, and dietary and
> environmental influences.
>
> Many factors can interfere with the conversion of
> carotenoids into vitamin A including thyroid problems, liver
> problems, diabetes and genetics. Babies and children convert
> carotenes very poorly if at all.
>
> The statement that preformed vitamin A is unnatural is
> ludicrous in the light of what we know about traditional
> diets. The chief source of calories in the traditional Inuit
> diet, for example, is seal oil, which Weston Price found to
> be higher in vitamin A than cod liver oil. Fish heads,
> extremely rich in vitamin A, are a staple in the Japanese
> diet. Many cultures consume liver, often in high amounts-yet
> the authors of the review paper imply that liver is toxic.
> Tell that to the Frenchman enjoying his foie gras, the
> Englishman consuming liver and onions, or the South Sea
> Islander who submits to great danger to obtain shark liver
> for men and women, in order to ensure healthy children. The
> truth is that pre-formed vitamin A is more plentiful in
> traditional foods than vitamin D, yet politically correct
> nutrition insists that we must obtain vitamin A through the
> laborious process of converting carotenes.
>
> More information on the conversion of carotenoids to
> vitamin A can be found in these articles:
> http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminasaga.html
> (see the section "Vitamin A Vagary").
>
http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamina-osteo.html#carotenesnotad
>
>
> COD LIVER OIL IN PREGNANCY
> The Annals paper does not cite any studies showing toxic
> effects from cod liver oil, but Dr. Cannell cites one study
> in his December newsletter associating intake of cod liver
> oil with hypertensive disorders during pregnancy. Users of
> cod liver oil in this study had about twice the intake of
> vitamins A and D as non-users and eight times the intake of
> long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. The study found the most
> robust association with long-chain omega-3 fatty acids,
> which were associated with lower risk between 0.1 and 0.9
> grams per day and higher risk above 0.9 grams per day. The
> authors suggested that the association with high blood
> pressure might be related to oxidative stress caused by a
> high intake of polyunsaturated fatty acids.
>
> The abstract of the study can be found here:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16487202?
>
> The new Annals article offers nothing new to incriminate
> cod liver oil. It provides a well-written argument that
> vitamin D intakes need to be higher and incriminates only
> highly processed modern cod liver oils that have inadequate
> amounts of this critical nutrient. We recommend only
> high-vitamin cod liver oils that provide abundant vitamins A
> and D without an excess of polyunsaturated fatty acids.
>
>
> THE COD LIVER OIL PUBLIC HEALTH INITIATIVE
> As we pointed out in our last update on cod liver oil,
> during the first half of the century, cod liver oil was the
> focus of a worldwide health initiative. Parents were urged
> to give cod liver oil to their children by doctors, by
> government officials, by teachers and principals in schools,
> and even by their ministers in churches. A large portion of
> adults in America born before the Second World War received
> cod liver oil as children and this practice contributed to a
> high level of health, intelligence and physical development
> in those lucky enough to receive it. In many European
> countries, children received a daily ration of cod liver
> oil, especially during the war years. In the UK, for
> example, the government issued cod liver oil to all growing
> children until the early 1950s.
>
> What has led to the demise of this obviously beneficial
> practice? Cod liver oil is a food; it can't be
> patented, it can't be created in a laboratory; it
> can't create millions for the drug companies. So
> interest in this wonderful superfood has naturally waned.
> But if you are basing your dietary habits on the principles
> of healthy nutritional diets, don't hesitate to include
> cod liver oil-our recommended brands of cod liver oil--as a
> healthy and natural food source of critical vitamins so
> lacking in modern diets.
>
> Sally Fallon, President
> The Weston A. Price Foundation
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Our postal address is
> PMB #106-380
> 4200 Wisconsin Avenue, NW
> Washington, District of Columbia 20016
> United States

I could attach the old producers list but none of the folks I
mentioned  here are on it. Bev, it sounds like you should be going out
to John Mcdaniels or to the Akins in Tecumseh!
E -maile me if you want directions
kathy gibb
OKC Chapter



--- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, "gibbkathy" <gibbkathy@...> wrote:
>
> There is a dairy in Blanchard, one in Tecumseh,John McDaniel in the SE
> part of OKC behind Draper lake, and Randy porter who has a pickup
> point in N Nichold Hills. There is also a farmer gearing up to sell
> raw in Inola and Wagon Creek Creamery has recently started  selling
> raw at their farm.. e-mail me privately if you want imformation on any
> of these folks..
> kathy( This is all cow milk, I have left goat out since the demand for
> it is so much smaller)
>
> -- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, <noahsmamma@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I'd be interested in this information as well since I am in the
> South Central portion of the state and have not been able to find
> anyone within driving distance.
> > Bev
> > mom to 2 Men & a Little Lady
> > Wife to Roy
> > Author of "His Father's Son"
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/140109886X/qid=1061475911/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2\
_2/103-0543483-0782232
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> >
> >   "We are lucky to have several excellent producers in the metro
> area" ????
> >
> >   Do tell???? I'd love a list of this plentiful bounty! I love
> George's milk, but it is a crazy long drive for a single mom!
> >
>

Nov. 27, 2008
Turkey soup in mind, she's the bone collector..

  My Thanksgiving dinners hold expectation and strategy, but no surprises:
  My mother-in-law always contributes a bowl of trail mix to the
coffee-table appetizers; my husband always insists on canned, jellied
cranberry sauce. And while the gravy is still hot in its china boat,
certain relatives testily revisit long-held and contrasting thoughts
on who killed JFK.
   Then there is the person on the edge of her seat plotting the
confiscation of the turkey carcass.

That would be me.
  Stuffing, sweet potatoes with marshmallows, country ham or Uncle Ed's
mincemeat pie mark the holiday for legions of Americans.
  For soup lovers, though, a turkey's skeleton is Thanksgiving's
coveted door prize. This has something to do with the fact that, even
though turkey is available year-round, most people don't roast whole
birds until the winter holidays.
   Making soup from the bones extends the feelings of celebration and
goodwill in many ways: In the week or month ahead, depending upon when
you choose to deal with the carcass, the house is perfumed as the
bones roast and the broth simmers. (This is the time to have an open
house if you are looking to sell your home.)
   The soupmaker gets to revel in the virtuous feeling that comes from
making something from what might have been thrown away, something
definitely better-tasting and nutritious than the canned stuff,and
when you add seasonal ingredients such as sage, winter squash and
wild rice, along with a bit of leftover turkey you can produce a meal
that many of us consider more tantalizing than the actual Thanksgiving
feast.
   But maybe even more important is that soup, which certainly is perfect
for a crowd, is also the consummate solitary self-indulgence. Making
and devouring it alone can be meditative and soothing, a fitting
follow-up to the preparation and consumption of a meal composed of
many elements - and a group of dear but clattering, chattering relatives.
   Turkey soup after Thanksgiving dinner is better than a spa
treatment, and I have mastered the capture of its essential component:
the bird's jarringly messy skeleton. If you, too, covet the carcass,
you will profit from my experience.
   Luckily, many people view these bones as icky - a bother, something
that signals labor, or a burden for those who have traveled to the
dinner from afar. Some even consider a desire for those bones as a
scary, slippery slope down to Martha Stewart-dom, but it is in the
soup lover's best interest to cultivate such viewpoints among others.
   These very same skeptics will want the carcass stripped of its
shards so that they may have a mini-feast the next day. And the
children may want to abscond with the wishbone, technically called the
furcula, which lies between all birds' necks and breasts. Feign
generosity and allow that. But be on your toes to hoard some of the
meat to use with the precious bones. Then move on to gaining
possession of the carcass in one of three ways: (1) Insist on cleaning
up after dinner; (2) Provide disinformation; or (3) Seize control of
the conversation.
   Offering to do the dishes is, obviously, not the most pleasant
option. But if you can manage to convince others that you really,
really want to do it alone, you and your turkey carcass are home free.
It can be disguised - in foil and a wig, perhaps - and refrigerated
behind a collection of mustards for several days. It may also be
frozen for several months.
    Lying about the value of a turkey carcass is useless. It is fairly
common knowledge that bones are the foundation of all cookery,
contributing flavor, nutrients and gelatin. Instead, when Aunt Fran,
who flew in from Detroit, eyeballs it, tell her that the
Transportation Security Administration has banned turkey carcasses
from luggage of any sort. (This, although untrue, is very believable;
turkey bones can be sharp as knives.)
   Finally, there's what I think of as the "Look! There's a bird!"
tactic. This involves changing the subject from the destiny of the
turkey carcass to one that ignites passion and diverts the assembled
family.
   I steer our Thanksgiving table conversation to conspiracies, the
35th president of the United States, and the grassy knoll.
   Works every time.

  By Joyce Gemperlein
  Philadelphia Inquirer
-------------------------------------


Tips for Making Perfect Soup/ Stock

Don't make broth from brined, marinated or smoked turkey - these added
flavors  will intensify and ruin the stock-making process.

> Remove as much meat as possible from the bones before beginning the
stock because the meat will become flavorless after long simmering.

> Break up the bones to allow the carcass to fit better into the pot.

> Start with cold water because hot water will cause the starches and
fats in meat and vegetables to expand and jell, retarding the flavor
extraction.

> Simmer stock. Boiling causes fat to emulsify and disperse, making
the stock greasy. Fat floating on top can be removed later after the
stock has chilled and a nice solid layer of fat sealing off the top of
the stock will extend it's life.

>Finished strained stock should be cooled as quickly as possible; many
folks will put the pot in an ice bath, but if the temperature outside
is below 45 just put the whole pot outside ( with a brick on the lid
to discourage unwelcome scavengers).

The standard formula for turkey broth:
one 16- to 20-pound turkey carcass,stripped of as much meat as
possible, 2 chopped onions, 3 chopped carrots, 3 chopped celery ribs
with leaves, one handfull fresh parsley sprigs ( 4 or 5, 3- 4 bay
leaves, 5 or 6 peppercorns, 1/2 cup vinegar (I prefer cider ),2 or 3
few cloves of garlic, any liquids from the turkey roasting pan ( not
the gravy, save that for leftovers) and enough water to cover the
turkey in its simmering pot.
  Put everything in the pot, bring to a boil, then turn down to a
simmer, cover and forget..I let mine go 2 days to extract as many
minerals and gelatin from the bones as possible but  6 hours will be
enough to give a tasty broth..when you think it's finished, strain,
cool and put in the fridge. Stock freezes beautifully, just remember
to leave some headroom for expansion, I like to use the 2-4 cup square
ziplock containers.


kathy gibb
OKC Chapter
--------------------------------------

Tyson Foods, the world's largest meat processor and the second largest
chicken producer in the U.S., has admitted that it injects its
chickens with antibiotics before they hatch and then labels them as
raised without antibiotics.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) has told Tyson to stop using
the antibiotic-free label, but the company has sued for the right to
keep using it.

Poultry farmers regularly treat chickens and other birds with
antibiotics. But scientists have become increasingly concerned that
the routine use of antibiotics in animal agriculture may accelerate
the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.


After Tyson began labeling its chicken antibiotic-free, the USDA
warned the company that such labels were not truthful, because Tyson
regularly treats its birds' feed with bacteria-killing ionophores.
Tyson argued that ionophores are antimicrobials rather than
antibiotics, and are not used on human patients. Tyson suggested a
compromise which was eventually accepted by the USDA -- they would use
a label reading "raised without antibiotics that impact antibiotic
resistance in humans."

Tyson's competitors: Perdue Farms Inc., Sanderson Farms Inc. and
Foster Farms sued, and in May 2008, a federal judge ruled in their
favor and told Tyson to stop using the label. Not long after, USDA
inspectors discovered that in addition to using ionophores, Tyson was
regularly injecting its chicken eggs with gentamicin, an antibiotic
that has been used for more than 30 years.

The agency told Tyson that based on the new discovery, it would no
longer consider the antibiotic-free label "truthful and accurate."
Tyson objected again, claiming that because the antibiotics are
injected before the chickens hatched, the birds can truthfully be said
to be "raised without antibiotics." Tyson has filed a lawsuit against
the USDA, claiming that the agency had improperly changed the
definition of "raised without antibiotics" to include the treatment of
eggs.

Sources:
Natural News November 9, 2008

There is a dairy in Blanchard, one in Tecumseh,John McDaniel in the SE
part of OKC behind Draper lake, and Randy porter who has a pickup
point in N Nichold Hills. There is also a farmer gearing up to sell
raw in Inola and Wagon Creek Creamery has recently started  selling
raw at their farm.. e-mail me privately if you want imformation on any
of these folks..
kathy( This is all cow milk, I have left goat out since the demand for
it is so much smaller)

-- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, <noahsmamma@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I'd be interested in this information as well since I am in the
South Central portion of the state and have not been able to find
anyone within driving distance.
> Bev
> mom to 2 Men & a Little Lady
> Wife to Roy
> Author of "His Father's Son"
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/140109886X/qid=1061475911/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2\
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>   "We are lucky to have several excellent producers in the metro
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>   Do tell???? I'd love a list of this plentiful bounty! I love
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"We are lucky to have several excellent producers in the metro area" ????

 

Do tell???? I'd love a list of this plentiful bounty! I love George's milk, but it is a crazy long drive for a single mom!

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: gibbkathy

To: WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:35 PM

Subject: [WAPFOKCentral] Re: Christian Milk

Just to clear things up, here are our state statues concerning raw
cow's milk..for those of you who have bought milk at John McDaniel's
farm,or run out to Georges homestead, this is the typical setup for
occasional sales. The local agent/
state inspector has a huge amount of discretion in this, but in the
long run our laws are really permissive as long as you buy at the
point of milking. Buying at the Farmer's market,the Auction in Inola,
Jenks or Drumright, the back door of the Health food store --- are all
illegal for now. When I was "running" milk a few years back our local
agents were very nice in their offer to jail me overnight for my
activities, but ,lucky for me, they choose otherwise; and they were
quite clear in their decision: occasional sales at the farm gate
permitted..
We are lucky to have several excellent producers in the metro
area, and I would like to tie some of them together in the next few
months to make getting fresh milk a little easier for our new moms and
older retired folks, and busy parents as I am very aware that a 2-3
hour car drive is a pain in the ass for a lot of people..
please e-mail me if you are interested in setting up a pickup point
kathy gibb
OKC WAPF Chapter leader

Summary:

Raw milk sales are legal on the farm. Farmers can make "incidental
sales of raw milk directly to consumers" without having to obtain a
permit. While state law does not specifically define what incidental
sales of raw cows milk are and leaves this determination to the
discretion of the state inspector, raw goat milk producers can sell up
to 100 gallons of goat milk per month without a permit. Farmers making
incidental sales of raw goat milk have the right to advertise.

Even though the incidental sales exception does not apply to raw
cheese, state law does not prohibit farmers from making cheese using
milk or cream produced on their farm.

Farmers making more than incidental sales of raw milk must have a raw
milk permit. This permit is only good for raw milk sales, not for any
other raw dairy products. Producers wanting to sell raw milk products
must obtain a manufacturing plant permit.

Oklahoma Statutes
TITLE 2 AGRICULTURE
CHAPTER 1 AGRICULTURAL CODE
ARTICLE 7. MILK AND DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK PRODUCTS PLANTS
D. OKLAHOMA MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS ACT

§ 2-7-406. Sale of Grade A milk and milk products.

A. Only Grade A pasteurized milk and milk products or Grade A raw milk
shall be sold to the final consumer; provided, however:

1. Only Grade A pasteurized milk shall be sold through restaurants,
soda fountains, grocery stores, or similar establishments, including
school lunch rooms

§ 2-7-414. Construction of Act.

A. The provisions of the Oklahoma Milk and Milk Products Act shall not
be construed to:

1. Include incidental sales of raw milk directly to consumers at the
farm where the milk is produced;

2. Preclude the advertising of the incidental sale of goat milk; and

3. Prohibit any farmer or producer from making cheese using milk or
cream produced on the farm of such farmer or producer.

B. For purposes of this section, incidental sales of goat milk are
those sales where the average monthly number of gallons sold does not
exceed one hundred (100).

§ 2-7-408. Permits

A. No person shall produce, haul, process, or distribute Grade A raw
milk for pasteurization or milk and milk products, or hold himself or
herself out as a milk producer, transporter, processor, or distributor
or represent a any farm, bulk milk hauler/sampler, milk tank truck
driver, milk transportation company, milk tank truck cleaning
facility, milk plant, receiving or transfer station, milk distribution
center, or milk or milk products as "Grade A" unless that person
possesses an appropriate and valid permit for the particular premises
or facilities concerned.

§ 2-7-403. Definitions.

11. "Milk plant" means any premises owned or operated by a "milk
processor" where milk or milk products are collected, manufactured,
processed, pasteurized, bottled, stored, or prepared for distribution
for commercial purposes including, but not limited to, a receiving or
transfer station

20. "Ungraded milk products" and "manufacture grade milk products"
include, but are not limited to, butter, cheese, dry milk, condensed
milk, filled or evaporated milk, frozen dairy dessert and mello-drink
products.

TITLE 2 AGRICULTURE
CHAPTER 1 AGRICULTURAL CODE
ARTICLE 7. MILK AND DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK PRODUCTS PLANTS
D. OKLAHOMA MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS ACT

§ 2-7-417. Permits required.

No person shall produce, haul, process or distribute ungraded raw milk
or milk products or hold himself out as an ungraded milk producer,
hauler, processor or distributor unless such person possesses an
appropriate and valid permit for the particular premises or facilities
concerned. The processing of permit applications and inspections shall
be similar to the Grade A permit process.

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Just to clear things up, here are our state statues concerning raw
cow's milk..for those of you who have bought milk at John McDaniel's
farm,or run out to Georges homestead, this is the typical setup for
occasional sales. The local agent/
state inspector has a huge amount of discretion in this, but in the
long run our laws are really permissive as long as you buy at the
point of milking. Buying at the Farmer's market,the Auction in Inola,
Jenks or Drumright, the back door of the Health food store --- are all
illegal for now. When I was "running" milk a few years back our local
agents were very nice in their offer to jail me overnight for my
activities, but ,lucky for me, they choose otherwise; and they were
quite clear in their decision: occasional sales at the farm gate
permitted..
      We are lucky to have several excellent producers in the metro
area, and I would like to tie some of them together in the next few
months to make getting fresh milk a little easier for our new moms and
older retired folks, and busy parents  as I am very aware that a 2-3
hour car drive is a pain in the ass for a lot of people..
  please e-mail me if you are interested in setting up a pickup point
kathy gibb
OKC WAPF Chapter leader

Summary:

Raw milk sales are legal on the farm. Farmers can make "incidental
sales of raw milk directly to consumers" without having to obtain a
permit. While state law does not specifically define what incidental
sales of raw cows milk are and leaves this determination to the
discretion of the state inspector, raw goat milk producers can sell up
to 100 gallons of goat milk per month without a permit. Farmers making
incidental sales of raw goat milk have the right to advertise.

Even though the incidental sales exception does not apply to raw
cheese, state law does not prohibit farmers from making cheese using
milk or cream produced on their farm.

Farmers making more than incidental sales of raw milk must have a raw
milk permit. This permit is only good for raw milk sales, not for any
other raw dairy products. Producers wanting to sell raw milk products
must obtain a manufacturing plant permit.

Oklahoma Statutes
TITLE 2 AGRICULTURE
CHAPTER 1 AGRICULTURAL CODE
ARTICLE 7. MILK AND DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK PRODUCTS PLANTS
D. OKLAHOMA MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS ACT

§ 2-7-406. Sale of Grade A milk and milk products.

A. Only Grade A pasteurized milk and milk products or Grade A raw milk
shall be sold to the final consumer; provided, however:

1. Only Grade A pasteurized milk shall be sold through restaurants,
soda fountains, grocery stores, or similar establishments, including
school lunch rooms

§ 2-7-414. Construction of Act.

A. The provisions of the Oklahoma Milk and Milk Products Act shall not
be construed to:

1. Include incidental sales of raw milk directly to consumers at the
farm where the milk is produced;

2. Preclude the advertising of the incidental sale of goat milk; and

3. Prohibit any farmer or producer from making cheese using milk or
cream produced on the farm of such farmer or producer.

B. For purposes of this section, incidental sales of goat milk are
those sales where the average monthly number of gallons sold does not
exceed one hundred (100).

§ 2-7-408. Permits

A. No person shall produce, haul, process, or distribute Grade A raw
milk for pasteurization or milk and milk products, or hold himself or
herself out as a milk producer, transporter, processor, or distributor
or represent a any farm, bulk milk hauler/sampler, milk tank truck
driver, milk transportation company, milk tank truck cleaning
facility, milk plant, receiving or transfer station, milk distribution
center, or milk or milk products as "Grade A" unless that person
possesses an appropriate and valid permit for the particular premises
or facilities concerned.

§ 2-7-403. Definitions.

11. "Milk plant" means any premises owned or operated by a "milk
processor" where milk or milk products are collected, manufactured,
processed, pasteurized, bottled, stored, or prepared for distribution
for commercial purposes including, but not limited to, a receiving or
transfer station

20. "Ungraded milk products" and "manufacture grade milk products"
include, but are not limited to, butter, cheese, dry milk, condensed
milk, filled or evaporated milk, frozen dairy dessert and mello-drink
products.

TITLE 2 AGRICULTURE
CHAPTER 1 AGRICULTURAL CODE
ARTICLE 7. MILK AND DAIRY PRODUCTS AND MILK PRODUCTS PLANTS
D. OKLAHOMA MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS ACT

§ 2-7-417. Permits required.

No person shall produce, haul, process or distribute ungraded raw milk
or milk products or hold himself out as an ungraded milk producer,
hauler, processor or distributor unless such person possesses an
appropriate and valid permit for the particular premises or facilities
concerned. The processing of permit applications and inspections shall
be similar to the Grade A permit process.

----- Original Message -----

From: Stephanie Nichols

To: WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [WAPFOKCentral] Re: Christian Milk

I wonder if anyone in Edmond would be interested in sharing the trips it takes to go get George's milk? If we took turns it wouldn't be such a long endeavor. Anyone interested?

 

Stephanie Nichols

Edmond, OK

 

 

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From: gibbkathy

To: WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:18 PM

Subject: [WAPFOKCentral] Re: Christian Milk

I spoke with George at length today and I am happy to report he has
changed his mind and will continue to sell milk at the Christian
Dairy in Kingfisher.

Kathy Gibb
OKC Chapter

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From: gibbkathy

To: WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:18 PM

Subject: [WAPFOKCentral] Re: Christian Milk

I spoke with George at length today and I am happy to report he has
changed his mind and will continue to sell milk at the Christian
Dairy in Kingfisher.

Kathy Gibb
OKC Chapter

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From: gibbkathy

To: WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:18 PM

Subject: [WAPFOKCentral] Re: Christian Milk

I spoke with George at length today and I am happy to report he has
changed his mind and will continue to sell milk at the Christian
Dairy in Kingfisher.

Kathy Gibb
OKC Chapter

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I spoke with George at length today and I am happy to report he has
changed his mind and  will continue to sell milk at the Christian
Dairy in Kingfisher.

Kathy Gibb
OKC Chapter

Kevyn I don't think you owe me an apology, but thank you none the less.
   In the last incident they had to hold production till test results
came in but that was a very short space of time;they were mainly
tested for E.coli O157:H7 as was Wagon Creek Creamery; both dairies
were clean- their milk was not contaminated.
  Grassfed cows have the wrong body ph to grow this strain of bacteria;
E. coli O157:H7 is found in the intestine,manure and wastewater runoff
of grain fed, confinement cows and factory farm operations. Salmonella
  on eggs is a similar story as the bacteria is rarely found on
pastured eggs but can be rampant in filthy,overcrowded chicken houses..
   But I feel everyone needs to stop talking about this particular
incident before this story gets out of hand and  blows up into a real
problem which could jeopardize George's business. The truth is this
child's illness is not the reason for their decision, they simply need
the milk for cheese..and knowing George, I would not be surprised if
they start selling RM at the dairy a few weeks down the road.
kathy


    1.
their cheese contracts

--- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, kevyn kennedy
<kevyn.kennedy@...> wrote:
>
> i don't know if i said this in my last post.  but, i do not think
the milk caused this child's illness, i did not mean to slander or
implicate the Christians, and i feel sympathy for them because they
have had to go through this before and it is very painful for them.  i
hope this does not cause the same kind of trouble they had before, the
incident you mentioned, where they had to stop their milk sales and
cheese production.
>
> when i said that other children were sick in the family and had
gotten sick as different times with no indication of salmonella - i
was trying to say that because of these facts i don't think the milk
(or any food) could have caused them all to get sick.
>
> again, please accept my apology and explanation.
>

i don't know if i said this in my last post.  but, i do not think the milk
caused this child's illness, i did not mean to slander or implicate the
Christians, and i feel sympathy for them because they have had to go through
this before and it is very painful for them.  i hope this does not cause the
same kind of trouble they had before, the incident you mentioned, where they had
to stop their milk sales and cheese production.

when i said that other children were sick in the family and had gotten sick as
different times with no indication of salmonella - i was trying to say that
because of these facts i don't think the milk (or any food) could have caused
them all to get sick.

again, please accept my apology and explanation.

kathy,

i am so sorry and apologize that i did not make myself clear in my post.  no, i
did not intend to suggest that this was the fault of the milk or the
Christian's.  i am concerned that as soon as someone gets sick they would
implicate the milk without any indication that the milk is the actual problem. 
this type of accusation has happened to the Christians before and i am sad about
this situation and the pain it caused the Christians.

in no way did i intend to suggest it was the milk.  i am so sad that i can no
longer get milk from them and that they have had to stop selling milk to people
that really need and want it.

i agree with you, wapf, sally fallon, etc about the advantages of raw milk and
the safety of it.

again, please accept my apology for not being clear enough in what i was trying
to say.

Kevyn I cannot believe you have posted this- if this was a true
salmonella outbreak caused by raw milk I promise you it would be all
over the local news and the health dept would be involved.. This
family bought milk along with many other people on that day and the
only person confirmed with salmonella is this child; if George's milk
had salmonella more then one person would have been involved as his
milk is collected in a bulk tank holding several hundred gallons. I
feel for this mother and family, but it is simply not fair to spread
this gossip about the Christians and I am very sad for George that you
have shared this with the list.

  Salmonella is usually passed through infected produce, factory raised
poultry and pasteurized milk. While it can be present in raw milk the
lacto bacilli tend to overwhelm it and clean milking practices are
your best guarantee of safety. George has run a Grade A dairy for over
30 years- he has a closed milking system with a refrigerated bulk tank
and his milk is routinely tested by the state.

  About 2 years ago an OKC child was sicken with e-Coli and all the
dairy producers at the OSU farmers market were tested by the Health
dept. All the dairies were clean, the contamination was from spinich.
GEORGE"S MILK WAS NOT TO BLAME! It is unfortunate that people lose all
sense of reason the minute raw milk is mentioned and figure that must
be the cause when people get sick.

   The Christians have a large commercial cheese account in the works
and they need their full milk production to meet this demand; this is
the real reason they are thinking about quitting raw milk sales.

   Sally Fallon compiled a list of U.S. government documented outbreaks
of food-borne illness from Pasteurized milk for Ted Elkins, Deputy
Director for Maryland's Office of Food Protection and Consumer Health
Services.

Here is that list:

1945—1,492 cases for the year in the US
1945—1 outbreak, 300 cases in Phoenix, Arizona.
1945—Several outbreaks, 468 cases of gastroenteritis, 9 deaths, in
Great Bend, Kansas
1976—Outbreak of Yersinia enterocolitica in 36 children, 16 of whom
had appendectomies, due to pasteurized chocolate milk
1978—1 outbreak, 68 cases in Arizona
1982—over 17,000 cases of Yersinia enterocolitica in Memphis, TN
1982—172 cases, with over 100 hospitalized from a three-Southern-state
area.
1983—1 outbreak, 49 cases of Listeriosis in Massachusetts
1984—August, 1 outbreak S. typhimurium, approximately 200 cases, at
one plant in Melrose Park, IL
1984—November, 1 outbreak S. typhimurium, at same plant in Melrose
Park, IL
1985—March, 1 outbreak, 16,284 confirmed cases, at same plant in
Melrose Park, IL
1985—197,000 cases of antimicrobial-resistant Salmonella infections
from one dairy in California
1985—1,500+ cases, Salmonella culture confirmed, in Northern Illinois
1987—Massive outbreak of over 16,000 culture-confirmed cases of
antimicrobial-resistant Salmonella typhimurium traced to pasteurized
milk in Georgia
1993—2 outbreaks statewide, 28 cases Salmonella infection
1994—3 outbreaks, 105 cases, E. Coli & Listeria in California
1993-1994—outbreak of Salmonella enteritidis in over 200 due to
pasteurized ice cream in Minnesota, South Dakota and Wisconsin
1995—1 outbreak, 3 cases in California
1995—outbreak of Yersinia enterocolitica in 10 children, 3
hospitalized due to post-pasteurization contamination
1996—2 outbreaks Campylobactor and Salmonella, 48 cases in California
1997—2 outbreaks, 28 cases Salmonella in California

According to the Weston Price Foundation:

     Pathogens Can Multiply in Pasteurized Milk and Other Foods but Not
in Raw Milk

     Campylobacter in chilled raw milk (4o C):
     Day 0 = 13,000,000/ml
     Day 9 = less than 10/ml (1)

     Campylobacter in body temperature raw milk (37o C):

     Bovine strains decreased by 100 cells/ml in 48 hrs
     Poultry strains decreased by 10,000 cells/ml in 48 hrs (2)

     Note that the protective components work more quickly to reduce
levels of pathogens in warm milk than in chilled milk.

     1. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 1982;44(5):1154-58
     2. Mikrobiyolji Bul,1987:21(3):200-5

And yet…

     Raw milk is often blamed for causing infection with Listeria
Monocytogenes, a deadly food pathogen that can cause severe illness
and fetal death, premature birth or neonatal illness and death.

Let's look at the facts:

     In a 2003 USDA/FDA report:

     Deli meats caused 515 times more illness from listeria than raw milk
     Pasteurized milk caused 29 times more illness from listeria than
raw milk

     On a PER-SERVING BASIS, deli meats were TEN times more likely to
cause illness than raw milk.

     FDA: "Raw milk is inherently dangerous and should not be consumed"

     Where are the FDA's charges that deli meats are "inherently
dangerous and should not be consumed? Where is the FDA's exhortation
to "everyone charged with protecting the publish health" to "prevent
the sale of deli meats to consumers"?

     In a response to a Freedom of Information request, the Centers for
Disease Control provided data on raw milk outbreaks 1993-2005—a
23-year period.



     Since 1999:

     40 million servings of Organic Pastures raw milk, not one reported
illness; in 1,300 tests, no human pathogens ever found in the milk, or
even in the manure on the farm.

     19 recalls of pasteurized milk products during the same period.

KATHY GIBB
OKC WESTON A PRICE FOUNDATION CHAPTER LEADER
http://www.realmilk.com/




--- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, "kevyn holdcraft"
<kevyn.kennedy@...> wrote:
>
> i don't know if you have heard or not, but george and lawanna are no
longer going to be
> selling their milk.  they will be using it for cheese only.
>
> the only details i know is that a milk customer with 7 children has
a child in the hospital with
> salmonella and called george to suggest that he have the dairy and
cows inspected.
> subsequently, several of her other children are now at home sick but
aren't in the hospital
> nor do they have salmonella (as far as i know) and they didn't get
sick at the same time.
>
> my friend told me that george is so worried that someone will get
ill that they just don't want
> to risk it anymore and will use their milk for cheese only.  i think
a similar situation happened
> a couple of years ago, and they just don't want to go through this
again.
>
> i feel sad that this has happened.
>

Re: Open Letter to Barack Obama--please circulate widely
Posted by: "safallon@..." safallon@...
Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:41 am (PST)

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA
From Sally Fallon Morell, President, the Weston A. Price Foundation
November 16, 2008
Dear Mr. Obama,
Congratulations on your recent victory in the American presidential
elections. As the president-elect, you have many issues to consider as
you prepare
to take office.
One issue I would urge you to focus on concerns a grave injustice taking
place in the prisons of your home state, namely, a prison diet that is
slowly
killing the inmates assigned to the Illinois Department of
Corrections. This is
a diet based largely on soy protein powder and soy flour. As you
stated on
last night's 60 Minutes Program, America does not condone torture. I
think you
would agree that what is happening in the Illinois prisons is a form of
torture.
Soy protein and soy flour are toxic, especially in large amounts. The US
Food and Drug Administration lists 288 studies on its database showing
the
toxicity of soy. Numerous studies show that soy consumption leads to
nutrient
deficiencies, digestive disorders, endocrine disruption and thyroid
problems.

Even the most ardent supporters of soy, such as Dr. Mark Messina, warn
against consuming more than about 20 grams of soy protein per day. But
the inmates
in Illinois are getting upwards of 100 grams per day—beef and chicken
by-product mixtures containing 60-70 percent soy, fake soy meats and
cheese, even
soy added to baked goods. The soy products are produced by Archer Daniel
Midlands, which contributed heavily to the campaign of Rod
Blagojevich. The
change from a diet based largely on beef to one based on soy happened
in 2003,
when Mr. Blagojevich began his first term as governor.
The national office of the Weston A. Price Foundation has heard from
dozens
of inmates begging for help. Almost all suffer from serious digestive
disorders, such as diarrhea or painful constipation, vomiting,
irritable bowel
syndrome and sharp pains in the digestive tract. One reason for these
problems
is the high oxalic acid content of soy—no food is higher in oxalic
acid than
soy protein isolate, which can contain up to 630 milligrams per
serving, at
least six times higher than the amount found in typical diets.
Oxalic acid is associated with kidney stones, but the sharp crystal
deposits can form in almost every tissue in the body--in the heart
where they can
stop electrical signals; in the bones where they can displace bone marrow
cells, leading to anemia or immune deficiency; in the brain where they
can impair
the transmission of signals; and in the skin where they can cause
fibromyalgia.
Other problems reported by the inmates include acne, hair loss,
depression,
lethargy, allergies, heart arrhythmias, passing out after soy
consumption,
frequent infections and constant feeling of cold. Many of these are
symptoms of
low thyroid function. The estrogen-like compounds in soy are known to
depress thyroid function.
When the prisoners seek medical treatment, they are told that soy does
not
cause the problems they are experiencing. Even those who vomit or pass
out
immediately after eating soy cannot get an order for a soy-free diet.
They are
told: "If the soy disagrees with you, don't eat it. Buy food from the
commissary." And since most of the inmates cannot afford to purchase
food from the
commissary, they are faced with a choice of serious health problems or
starvation. Several have had sections of their colons removed when a
simple return
to a nutritious, soy-free diet would have solved the problem. One
inmate who
passes out whenever he consumes soy was given a pacemaker.
Several inmates have filed lawsuits. One inmate has been subjected to
illegal and life-threatening retaliatory actions as a result of his
filing two
lawsuits claiming inadequate medical care. Pro bono legal help is
urgently
needed for these cases.
According to law, prisoners are entitled to "nutritionally adequate food"
(Ramos v Lamm, 639.2d 559, 1980). According to Illinois law,
"Infliction of
unnecessary suffering on prisoner by failure to treat his medical
needs is
inconsistent with contemporary standards of decency and violates the
Eighth
Amendment" (Key Note 7. Criminal Law 1213).
The justification for the switch from beef to soy is to save money. But
according to one court case, "A lack of financing is not a defense to
a failure
to satisfy minimum constitutional standards in prisons" (Duran v.
Anaya, 642,
Supp. 510 (DNM 1986), page 525, paragraph 6).
And it is not clear that the soy diet is saving the state of Illinois any
money, not when you consider the greatly increased medical costs that
have
ensued, and the risk to the state of costly lawsuits. The state of
Virginia
provides grass-fed beef to inmates at no cost to the state. Low-risk
prisoners
raise the beef at Sky Meadows State Park. The surplus is sold to the
Pennsylvania Department of Corrections, resulting in a net gain for
the prison budget.
All over the country prisons are instituting creative ways to save money
while teaching inmates new skills, including gardening, animal husbandry,
beekeeping, food processing, composting and recycling. Only the state
of Illinois
has chosen to poison its prisoners instead.
It is said that a nation is judged on the way it treats its prisoners.
The
American prison system is predicated on the premise that criminals can be
rehabilitated. To feed prisoners a diet that can permanently ruin
their health
robs them of any opportunity for rehabilitation, renders them unfit
for normal
life when they are released, and will impose an unnecessary burden on the
state's medical services. It constitutes a medical experiment and amounts
cruel and unusual punishment, which must be stopped.
Mr. Obama, you can stop this cruel soy-feeding experiment with one phone
call. I urge you to be that champion of fairness and justice that you
promised
during your campaign by making that call.
Sincerely yours,
Sally Fallon Morell, President
The Weston A. Price Foundation
CONTACT:
Kimberly Hartke, Media Relations, The Weston A. Price Foundation (703)
860-2711 or cell (703) 675-5557, _kimberly@..._
(mailto:kimberly@...) .
The Weston A. Price Foundation is a non-profit nutrition education
foundation dedicated to restoring nutrient-dense foods to the human
diet through
education, research and activism. The Foundation has spearheaded a
national
campaign to warn consumers about the dangers of modern soy foods.
Please visit
their website _www.westonaprice.org_ (http://www.westonaprice.org/) to
learn more
about the Foundation's Soy Alert! campaign.

i don't know if you have heard or not, but george and lawanna are no longer
going to be
selling their milk.  they will be using it for cheese only.

the only details i know is that a milk customer with 7 children has a child in
the hospital with
salmonella and called george to suggest that he have the dairy and cows
inspected.
subsequently, several of her other children are now at home sick but aren't in
the hospital
nor do they have salmonella (as far as i know) and they didn't get sick at the
same time.

my friend told me that george is so worried that someone will get ill that they
just don't want
to risk it anymore and will use their milk for cheese only.  i think a similar
situation happened
a couple of years ago, and they just don't want to go through this again.

i feel sad that this has happened.

Hi, I am also interested in obtaining kefir grains.  I'm in the OKC
area.  Thanks!

Jamie


--- In WAPFOKCentral@yahoogroups.com, "avon.grandma"
<krisncameron@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I am very excited to start getting raw milk again and
> making kefir!  Does anyone have any grains they can sell me?  And does
> anyone here make regular trips to a dairy to get raw milk?  Please
> email me at avon.grandma@...  Thanks!
>
> Kris
>

Hi everyone, I am very excited to start getting raw milk again and
making kefir!  Does anyone have any grains they can sell me?  And does
anyone here make regular trips to a dairy to get raw milk?  Please
email me at avon.grandma@....  Thanks!

Kris

Personal Liberties at Stake in Raw Milk Issue

Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:33 PM

By: Kimberly Hartke Article Font Size

Our constitutional right to liberty is systematically being attacked by
government agencies
flanked by anti-competitive forces in the food industry.

Nowhere is this more obvious than on the raw milk issue. California Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger recently vetoed SB201, a bill to preserve consumers' rights to
access farm
fresh milk while guaranteeing its safety.

The governor, who likely consumed raw dairy in his rise to stardom as a body
builder,
thwarted the freedoms of the over 40,000 raw milk devotees in his state. He
ignored the
will of the people in favor of the milk processors and the government regulators
bent on
crushing the raw dairy producers in their state — two of which are the most
successful in
the nation.

The California Department of Food and Agriculture, whose officials repeatedly
refused to
appear at hearings on the legislation, pushed The Terminator's pen on a bill
that received
populist support and nearly unanimous approval by both houses of the
legislature.

Similar backroom politics killed the Farm Fresh Milk Act in Maryland last year,
which would
have reinvigorated struggling small dairy farms by recognizing their right to
sell milk
direct to consumers at the farm gate. Hundreds of Maryland families participated
in
lobbying efforts in support of the bill, and yet it was killed in committee (by
a very close
vote) because of the bureaucrats' dire warnings of an imminent threat to public
health.

In Pennsylvania, an aggressive anti-raw milk stance has created a hostile
atmosphere for
over 100 family farms. Pennsylvania raw milk farms practice humane animal
husbandry
and consequently offer a superior product to thousands of consumers, many of
whom
consume raw milk for its healing qualities.

Bill Chirdon, the director of the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture's (PDA)
Bureau of
Food Safety and Laboratory Services, is spearheading a pathogen witch hunt that
appears
to be aimed at chilling consumer demand for raw dairy.

Through stepped up inspection schedules and a flurry of negative press releases
warning
of pathogens in raw milk in 2008, Chirdon has managed to damage farmer's
livelihoods,
thus raising the ire of consumers and farmers alike. Taking a guilty until
proven innocent
attitude toward one dairy farmer in a recent case, he even issued a press
release pinning
blame for several illnesses on the dairy, prior to the return of official test
results.

When the test results came back negative, he proceeded to withhold the release
of the
results to the media. At the same time, he disseminated another press release,
which
claimed a pathogen was found in an opened milk container from a sick household.

Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund board member, Ted Beals, M.D., a pathologist
and former laboratory chief says that the testing of an opened container,
especially from a
sick household, is an unacceptable test. An opened container may be
cross-contaminated,
and this is even more likely to happen in a home where there is illness.
Releasing these
unorthodox test results to the media totally eclipsed the PDA's subsequent
announcement
that the official test results for pathogens came back negative. The dairy had
been
exonerated, yet the public's perception remained that it was risky to buy raw
milk.

Consumer choice and the survival of family farms, particularly those who
practice
traditional and sustainable farming methods, are under siege by government
policies
informed by institutional bias against unprocessed milk.

Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation
www.westonaprice.org and
the nation's leading champion of raw dairy for its nutritional benefits,
www.realmilk.com
has a dire warning of her own. "The right to produce and consume raw dairy is
vital to the
health of the family farm and our citizens. The future of sustainable
agriculture and the
health of our nation depend on a new paradigm that respects the essential
liberties of
farmers and consumers."

Bureaucrats and Big Business with wanton disregard for our freedoms, may stir up
such
resistance that they end up stimulating demand for raw dairy, rather than
curbing sales.
Their campaign of oppression may be just what we need to bring that new paradigm
about.

Kimberly Hartke is a raw dairy consumer in Virginia. Virginia outlawed retail
and farm
sales of raw milk, so her family had to buy a share of a cow in order to have
access to farm
fresh milk. She is now the publicist for the Weston A. Price Foundation, which
suggests
raw dairy from pasture-raised cows can heal many health problems. Visit her
blog:
www.hartkeonline.blogspot.com.

This concerns anyone of us who let our kids have an occasional treat,
especially with Halloween coming up. I enclose the original letter I
received from The Center For Food Safety as it's pretty self
explanatory ..this particular letter targets Hersheys but the GM sugar
beet crop is industry wide. If you want to send a letter like the one
below go here

http://ga3.org/campaign/Hersheys

kathy gibb
________________________________
>
>
> Tell Hershey's to Kiss GM Sugar Goodbye!
>
> Dear Kathleen,
>
> Consumers in Brazil can now eat Hershey's Kisses(TM) without fear of
GM ingredients. Unfortunately, that is not the case for US consumers.
Several weeks ago, Hershey's in Brazil announced that it will not use
GM ingredients, including GM beet sugar, in the products it makes in
Brazil, but it remains silent about its plans in the US.
>
> US farmers planted GM sugar beet crops for the first time this year.
These Roundup Ready® GM sugar beets are genetically altered to resist
Monsanto's toxic weed killer, Roundup, and its active ingredient,
glyphosate. But here's the scary part:
>
> When the USDA first approved the planting of GM sugar beets, the EPA
also increased the maximum allowable residues of glyphosate on the
beet roots (from which sugar is extracted) by a staggering 5,000%!
This EPA policy change was made at the request of Monsanto, producer
of GM sugar beet seeds.
>
> What this means for consumers is that the more GM ingredients
permitted in our foods, the greater the likelihood that we are
ingesting more toxic chemicals. What's worse is that there will be no
way to know if we're eating GM beet sugar once it hits the market,
which could happen as early as next year, because GM ingredients are
NOT labeled.
>
> In 2001, Hershey's announced that it would not use GM beet sugar,
but the company has been noticeably silent on the issue ever since. A
double standard is not likely to prevail in the US, where members like
you have sent more than a hundred thousand letters to food companies
asking them to publicly refuse to use GM sugar in their products.
>
> Tell Hershey's to Kiss GM Sugar Goodbye! Write a letter to Hershey's
urging the company to publicly reject the use of GM sugar in its
chocolates and other sweets.
>
>
>
> Below is the sample letter, which i always tweek as it's really easy
when you have a script to work with. If you go to the site they have
this letter set up to go or edit.
>
>
> Dear Hershey's
>
> As someone who actively avoids buying genetically modified foods,
due to the threats they pose to human health, family farmers and the
environment, I know sugar has been one of the few, pure ingredients I
could count on to not be GM. Without labels on GM products, I have to
rely upon public company statements that they will avoid GM
ingredients in their products to inform the purchasing decisions I
make for myself and my family.
>
> As you know, Hershey's in Brazil recently announced that it will not
use GM ingredients, including GM beet sugar, in the products it makes
in Brazil, but the company remains silent about its plans in the US.
For US consumers this is a disappointing double standard, particularly
in light of the widespread consumer opposition to GM foods that exists
in this country as well.
>
> Several years ago, Hershey's told U.S. consumers it would not use
genetically modified sugar. But now that GM sugar beets are being
planted commercially in the US, you have made no such public assurances.
>
> Please afford US customers the same protections afforded to those in
Brazil, and pledge to avoid the use of GM beet sugar in your products.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Kathleen Gibb
>
>
>
> Campaign Expiration Date:
> December 2, 2008
>

This came thru from  another WAPF chapter leader, I thought some on
this list would find it of interest. Much is not new to me..oh yes, I
would never get a flu shot either!!
kathy gibb

You should be able to get the MP3 file here, it is  very big to mail
http://tinyurl.com/4vsmxk - click on "download the
podcast"immunologist whistleblower on vaccines - Bill & Melinda Gates
Founda

Posted by: "Suze Fisher" suzefisher@...   suzefisher

Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:31 am (PDT)

Alex Jones did an incredible 2-hour interview Friday of a woman who was a
high up immunologist with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and who
also worked for the gov't and big Pharma. Some of what she says about what
is really going on in big pharma and at this purported humanitarian
organization is stuff we already know to some extent, but some of it I
wasn't aware of and is very disturbing.

Both she and a statistician recently left the Gates Foundation because
they
couldn't morally stomach what they were doing.

The very first thing she says when the interview opens is that she is not
suicidal and has never been. This is due to the fact, I believe, that many
scientists in the biotech field are winding up dead and the official story
is that they are suicides. As I understand it, these are people who "know
too much". I assume her saying she's not suicidal at the outset of the
interview also has to do with the fact that many whistleblowers end up
"committing suicide", or so we're told.

The interview is in MP3 format and here's where you can get it:

Source 1: http://www.infowars.com/ (right column "Today on the Alex Jones
Show" - click on listen now. I think it's live streaming because it
doesn't
begin at the beginning. This may not be available for a long time if
it gets
bumped by a newer interview.)

Source 2: http://tinyurl.com/46ht89 (this is a seven part Google video. It
probably cuts out some parts because each part appears to be 10 mins long
and the interview was around two hours.)

Source 3: http://www.infowars.com/listen.html (subscribe to podcast and
download Friday's show. It will no longer be available after 7 or so
tonight
because it will be replaced with Sunday's podcast.)

Source 4: Email me for an MP3 of the entire Friday radio show. It's 4
hours
long. You can skip ahead to the interview which begins at the 70 minute
point in the broadcast.

Here are some of the things this whistleblower reveals:

1. They were growing animal fetuses and possibly chimera fetuses alive in
tanks of fluid in a lab in DC 15 years ago in order to harvest
maturing eggs
so that they could figure out how to grow humans in tanks, outside the
womb.
The friend of a friend who worked with the Chinese doctor doing this said
the fetuses were gulping fluid which freaked her out. Additionally,
and that
they also worked on Chinese human fetuses because in China they can get
abortions up until delivery (or thereabouts) and they harvested the eggs
from these fetuses in their research on how to grow humans outside the
womb.
It was not clear whether the Chinese doctors in China who were providing
these fetuses were actually *harvesting* them for this research or whether
these almost born fetuses were being aborted for other reasons. I don't
think she said they were keeping them alive like the animal fetuses -
although that part wasn't entirely clear to me. The friend of a friend got
so freaked out about this she quit and went into real estate.

2. Big pharma uses third world women and children as guinea pigs to test
vaccines and drugs. They also now use human guinea pigs in Poland and
Checkloslovakia. Some of these are vaccines that had only previously been
tested on *worms* for instance.

3. They've had a lot of bad reactions to the new HPV vaccine - Gardasil -
including seizures and death. This whistleblower, Cynthia (not her real
name) recalls the case of a 12-yr-old girl who died from some blood
abnormality from it for instance.

4. She has witnessed doctors falsifying data, such as eliminating a
laundry
list of reports of adverse events. The particular doc she was referring to
in one instance got promoted after this.

5. They buy off third world villages with booze and free clinics and
such in
order to get their guinea pigs. In one instance, she mentions an event for
local leaders where the booze tab was $12,000! Often the people being
vaccinated don't understand what it is all about. They don't do long-term
follow-ups to see if there are adverse reactions. They just "show" to the
FDA, this vaccine is working on Poland and such and such a place and get
much quicker approval.

6. There are weird proteins being used in the vaccines as growth
mediums or
something - I don't remember the exact reason they are in there. They
don't
really know how this might affect people getting the vaccines.

7. Vaccine manufacturers go to hospitals and get the foreskins of
circumcised babies to grow the viruses on that will be in the vaccine.

8. One of her main points is that they are doing all kinds of things
without
sufficient data or long term studies to know what the results will be,
ramming it through approval processes by testing on unknowing,
impoverished
third world villages, fudging the results, then brainwashing the US
population to think they need this new vaccine.

9. She said "I am an immunologist and I would never get a flu shot!" She
said they are useless, which many of us already know. But this is
something
you might want to pass on to friends and family members who are
brainwashed
by big Pharma and their doctors to think they need it.

10. They are replacing mercury in vaccines with *aluminum*.

These are only some of the points that stuck with me the most. There's
a lot
more ground that she covers. Please forward this to any list or person you
think should know what's really going on in Big Pharma and what is
probably
going on in other powerful purported humanitarian organizations such
as the
Gates Foundation.

I think this will be of particular interest to vaccine-related email
lists,
even dog and cat ones as some of the same manufacturers make both
human and
pet vaccines.

There was another interview on earlier last week with a Dartmouth
professor
about fluoride in drinking water and how it was originally used as a
way to
hide materials from the Manhattan Project and how it wasn't actually just
fluoride but a larger molecule with all sorts of potentially toxic
stuff in
it and they just called it "fluoride". According to this prof, it's also
been found that the damage from lead is much worse wherever the water is
fluoridated.

Suze Fisher

A RAW DEAL - A TALE OF TWO STATES - TWO FARMERS IN PA AND ONE IN CA
posted on tne WAPF chapter leader list today by Cathy Raymond

STRANGE! CA and PA flare up with raw milk outrages at the same time. This
happened once before. Coincidence?

In California - Mark McAfee's most recent hurdle, a raw cream recall.
http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=9801

In Pennsylvania - "Maverick Milker" Mark Nolt (no raw milk permit) had his
third raid by PDA spearheaded by Bill Chirdon. $20,000 in product was
taken.

Also, in Pennsylvania. Trent Hendricks, a large and permitted raw milk
producer in PA was ordered to today to suspend sales. Yesterday, PDA
claimed
customer(s) got a GI illness from Campylobacter. PDA took a sample. Trent
sent a split sample to his own lab. PDA asked for voluntary suspension.
Trent declined. PDA came today with an order for suspension of sales. No
lab results have come back to verify the PDA claim, yet they have
released a
damning press release. Trent is a golden boy of raw milk in the state,
with
a "nearly perfect track record" and "overly compliant" (his words) and a
model for raw milk production in PA. PDA would send other farmers to learn
from Trent.

Here's the press release
<http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/prnewswire/press_releases/national/Pe
nnsylvania/2008/09/12/DC33041>
http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/prnewswire/press_releases/national/Pen
nsylvania/2008/09/12/DC33041

Both Mark McAfee and Trent Hendricks are members of the Fund.

Please consider joining the FTCLDF and asking others to join or donate to
www.farmtoconsumer.org

Here's Bill Chirdon's contact information if you'd like to share your
thoughts with him. I'd love for his VM and inbox to be filled with our
comments on Monday morning.

Bill Chirdon

Director Food Safety and Laboratory Services

(717) 787 - 4315

wchirdon@...

Pass it on!

Cathy Raymond

Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund/Foundation

8116 Arlington Blvd., #263

Falls Church, VA 22042

703-208-FARM (3276)

www.farmtoconsumer.org

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