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#290 From: Pauline or Steve DeHaven <spdehaven@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 3:09 am
Subject: RE: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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Oh Dear! Where is the 'Love' (and respect) Guys!     
 


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From: johnfmayer@...
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine

 
Wendy,

Sorry you’re not comfortable hearing things that don’t support what you already believe, for whatever reasons. But anything I write about alternative medicine – in the sense of any medicine with no scientific foundation, not all remedies that don’t come from a drug store as I believe that some herbal remedies (which have NOTHING To do with homeopathy) are effective. And, yes, big pharm also knows that, which is why they employ ethnobotanists to investigate such plants. I presume, though, that once such plants undergo rigorous testing, reported in peer-reviewed journals, and drug companies produce drugs based upon them – with the advantage of consistent doses – and make them available through pharmacies, that you’d no longer be interested. After all, if it’s science-based medicine it must be bad. If nothing else, it makes all the wu quackery look bad by contrast and so must be resented for that reason alone.

The dangerous chemical you mention, interferon, is, in fact, manufactured within your own body – I know; sorry; scary – and those of nearly all vertebrates. It can help fight viruses, cancer and a host (no pun intended) of ills. But it was ungodly expensive till science figured out how to trick bacteria into making it. Now that it is cheap enough to be practical it is prescribed for even non-life threatening ailments. I suppose its very availability through pharmaceutical companies makes it suspect.

I’m not extremely prejudiced against non-western medicine; I’m extremely prejudiced against quackery. In fact, I believe interferon was discovered in the orient. The very lack of absolute conviction in real medicine that you complain of is what sets it apart from quack medicine and religion. After all, if you already know that all disease comes from issues with the joints in our bones, 95% of them from spinal misalignment (as chiropractic founder – and spiritualist – Palmer believed), then you don’t need to research pathogens, microbiology and so on. You just give the old back a twist. If that doesn’t work, come back next week and we’ll adjust you till it does work. Sooner or later, sure enough, most of your ills will go away. I have to admit, chiropractors have way better bedside manners than doctors, some of whom arrogantly think just applying science-based treatments should be all that’s expected. They could learn a lot from chiropractors on that score. But then, all con-men are likable; its’ an essential quality when you’re trying to make people believe in what you’re selling.

Where did you get the idea that alternative medicine (Big Placebo) doesn’t experiment on animals? They do, since they are constantly trying to APPEAR as though they have some foundation in science. Case in point: Experimenting on Rats for Magnet Therapy Of course, Big Placebo also actually kills animals to harvest their phony treatments like shark liver extracts and black bear bile, rhino horn, seal penises, etc. No, considering their many atrocities, I have NO respect for Oriental TM at all. I have respect for some people who fall prey to AM use; we all see through a glass darkly. But I have no respect for that particular aspect of their beliefs and practices. This is the 21st century; we all ought to have more sense by now.

I never use foul language or personal attacks in my comments (toward mere users, that is; I wouldn’t hesitate to attack [verbally, mind] such people as Drs. Mercola and Blaylock and others who exploit the gullible). I will not allow my observations (and I can back them all up with research data) to be censored. I’m sorry if facts offend you, but truth is more important than my popularity. Happily, I’ve never felt a great need to be popular. So just delete any email from me you suspect might have an evidence-based slant. Or, if you like, I’ll endeavor to scrub your address from my email client’s autofill function.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/30/09 3:46 PM, simkha@riseup.net wrote:
Liev,
I agree with you on all points.
And as an added bonus: allopathic medicine is
completely unable to cure my mother's hepatitis C,
which she received from a blood transfusion done in
the early 1980s. One thing western medicine is
great at is dealing with emergency traumas. However, the doctors who would have had her in line
to receive a new liver by this time had no clue how
to help her help herself; an acupuncturist and
strict diet regimen has allowed my mother to be at
least as healthy now as she was when she was first
diagnosed with hepatitis C; she is fairly active
and continues to work at her art. The only thing
western medicine could have offered her was
interferon, which is intravenous chemotherapy and
apparently so debilitating that people who have
used it to fix their hepatitis C would not go
through it again. Forget the fact that my mom,
uninsured, could not afford interferon. Forget the
fact that all the doctors could tell her was "I'm
not sure, I think X but we need to run tests A-z to
be more conclusive," forget the fact that Mom
didn't really want interferon -- she's too small
and the interferon (aka medicine, aka healing
modality) would have killed her. My mom had no
other options, and it turns out that not having the
option to receive western allopathic medicine has
actually not only prolonged her life, but her
quality of life.
John, I've asked you this before and I will ask you
again:
please do NOT send me emails in which you belittle
non-western medicine. I have worked with various
modalities myself and I have seen things work and
things not work (much like allopathic medicine,
except animals aren't being vivisected so some
mulitnational corporation can make huge profits out
of people's illnesses). But your extreme prejudice
against non-western medicine really irritates me. I know how you feel. Now please have some respect
for those of us who like acupuncture, reiki,
massage therapy, flower remedies, homeopathy, etc.
and don't send me any more emails about this topic.
Of course there are issues with practitioners of
certain traditional medicines using endangered and
other animal parts, much as big pharma goes down
into the rainforest and exploits people and plants
and makes attempts to patent plants like the Neem
tree (which has been used in India for thousands of
years) -- because even these corporations know that
plants do have healing powers.
Thank you.
Wendy
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM, John Mayer
<johnfmayer@comcast.net> wrote:
 Then please explain to me the difference between
using a homeopathic
“dilution” that has no effect on disease or the
horn of an endangered rhino
that has no effect on disease or an albino
child’s nose that has no effect
on disease.
I can't explain how homeopathy works. I also can't
explain how Vaporub
works. My understanding of it is, the little
pilluls they sell at the
health food store aren't intended to cure disease
but fix symptoms. So,
when I got the stuff that stops bronchial cough
when I was getting over the
swine flu, I didn't care that it didn't cure
disease. My body + a lot of
supplements and rest had already done that. The
cough was just a nuisance.
And it worked. I wouldn't call it a miracle cure.
I'd still have to take
it every several hours, like anything you'd find in
a pharmacy. But it
worked.
Except that in the last of those a human dies a
violent death as opposed to
the slow, lingering death many humans die as a
result of forgoing REAL
medicine for superstitious claptrap.
Again, you're thinking in false blacks and whites.
You are neglecting the
fact that we have agreed on that people die from
even properly prescribed
medications and surgical mishaps. And you're
assuming that people die from
what you say is useless water. if it's useless,
then that implies that it
has no effect. If it has no effect, it can't kill
people.
Any medicine that is actually shown to work will
work in the same fashion
as does does mainstream medicine and will, when
the evidence is in, become a
part of mainstream medicine.
You could say that about healthy eating/lifestyles.
So, then, eating meat
must be good for us. Because it's a mainstream
lifestyle. Or smoking.
Keep in mind, too, that it's allopathic medicine
that says eating
meat/drinking milk is good for you!
The silly wu nostrums that so many embrace after
reading a website or a
pamphlet they pick up in their health food store
(which is how Big Placebo
gets around the injunctions against making
unfounded medical claims right on
the bottle) are no alternative at all. They’re
just hucksterism on the
supply end and wide-eyed gullibility on the
demand end.
The wide-eyed gullible are the ones on my mother's
forum that go in for
hysterectomies because they have prolapsed uteri or
because they bleed too
much. They could just get a pessary or benefit
from acupuncture in the
first case or readjust their diets and chemical
exposures and have an
acupuncturist balance their hormones in the second
case, but no, they have
someone rip out an organ and then they have to be
on dangerous artificial
hormones for the rest of their lives. Wide-eyed
gullibility is EXACTLY how
I would describe people's zombic approach to
allopathic medicine. The same
industry that invents "disorders" when it discovers
chemical combinations
that do weird things to us (like "over-active
bladder syndrome" - describing
people who pee 8 times or more per day, which is
what one should be doing if
one is drinking enough water - when they found
chemicals that make a bladder
hold urine for long periods of time).
I’d say they have some benefit in allowing
Darwinism effect our highly
protected population (what with vaccines and
all), thus strengthening our
gene pool. But there are often children involved,
and they are helpless
victims.
Don't even get me started on vaccines!!!!
Liev
Yours truly,
John Mayer
On 11/30/09 11:24 AM, simkha@riseup.net wrote:
Thanks, Liev. Alternative medicine is
pharmacuetical medicine; real medicine is nature
at
its best and those who know how to work with
nature
to assist the body's natural healing.
This isn't alternative medicine.
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM, John
Mayer<johnfmayer@comcast.net>
<johnfmayer@comcast.net> wrote:
*"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing
some tiger bone, some
rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh,
yeah! And the nose of an albino
kid. Will there be a co-pay?”
**Kathie and I were discussing the fact that,
despicable as animal cruelty
is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done
to animals they haven’t
also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them
in factory farms and force
feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any
wonder I feel such contempt
for most so-called alternative medicines and
those who market them? Here’s
my Facebook posting:*
John
Mayer<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf>
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Latest in
Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy
or Reflexology and wu
“medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in
its hideous consequences.
Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking
the place of real, needed
medicine. And of course there are the species
endangered by quack use of
animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of
wu often ask, “Where’s the
harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous
head.
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magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's
albinos into hiding, fearful
of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous
dealers who can make up to
$75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.
Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to
skin, eyes and hair, says
she is only comfortable when at work or at home
with her husband and
children.
"Wherever I go people start talking about me,
saying that my legs and hands
can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36,
a mother of six. "This
kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out
alone."
Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in
Tanzania and 14 others have been
slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among
albinos in East Africa.
At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into
hiding since the killings
began, according to a report released this week
by the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies.
East Africa's latest albino murder happened in
Tanzania's Mwanza region in
late October, when albino hunters beheaded
10-year-old Gasper Elikana and
chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing
left Elikana's father, who
tried to defend his son, seriously injured.
Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs
only when both parents have
albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have
normal skin color.
African albinos endure insults, discrimination
and segregation throughout
their lives. They also have a high risk of
contracting skin cancer in a
region where many jobs are outdoors.
Owido, a high school teacher in the western
Kenyan town of Ahero, says she
was forced to transfer from a better teaching job
on the Kenya-Tanzania
border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino
girl she knew was murdered
and her body parts chopped off.
The surge in the use of albino body parts as good
luck charms is a result
of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch
doctors," the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies said.
The report says the market for albino parts
exists mainly in Tanzania,
where a complete set of body parts – including
all limbs, genitals, ears,
tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy
buyers use the parts as
talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.
"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate
vulnerabilities," said
International Federation for the Red Cross and
Crescent societies Secretary
General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be
addressed immediately at an
international level."
The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya,
Isaac Mwaura, called the
murders deplorable but said the killings have
given albinos a platform to
raise awareness.
Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region
were raised by single
mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers
believed their wives were having
affairs with white men.
"When I was born my father said his family tree
doesn't have such children
and left us," Mwaura said.
Some African communities believe that albinos are
harbingers of disaster,
while others mistakenly think albinos are
mentally retarded and discourage
their parents from taking them to school, saying
it's a waste of money, he
said.
Due to a lack of education, many albinos are
illiterate and are forced into
menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin
cancer, he said. Those who
manage to finish school face discrimination in
the work place and are never
considered for promotions.
"People are very blind to albinism but it is very
visible. Now that we have
this issue in Tanzania is when people have
started to talk about albinism,"
Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious
silence."
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\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
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#289 From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 1:41 am
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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If you think “addressing the symptoms” isn’t important I guess you’ve never suffered extreme pain. And mending the broken leg you speak of is treating an ailment symptomatically. So you (and those like you) only believe in REAL medicine when you have a REAL ailment; alternative medicine for all the rest. Fair enough, though I hate to see Big Placebo getting rich off the naive and science-challenged.

And I don’t consider any product a medicine if people die because they opted for quackery instead of real, mainstream medicine. Remember Laetrile? It had vast numbers of adherents who believed it was somehow to be preferred over standard medical treatments for cancer. Great numbers of them died, including Steve McQueen. It’s one form of quackery that has faded from the scene, though it wouldn’t surprise me to find some on this very list who still believe in it. For that matter, I don’t consider any product a medicine even if no one dies from its use, if there is no scientific evidence that it works, or even, usually, any logical theory as to why it should.

As to the “facts” you quote to back up your assertions, got any evidence? Beyond tracts published by those who sell the worthless “medicines,” that is. Show me evidence – real controlled study evidence, not the claims of your brother-in-law – and not only will I accept their worth, so will science, and that remedy will become part of main-stream medicine (and thus rejected by AM wu true believers). As for exercise, diet, and rest being important, yeah, so what? What bearing does that have on alternative medicine? If one rejects real medicine, why not reject the phony stuff, too? Just go to the doctor when you break your leg. I’ll even accept meditation; it doesn’t have to involve mysticism. As for prayer, well, you know the old saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to pray and watch him starve to death praying for a fish.

That’s all the time I have to argue with gate posts; I’ve got stuff to do. Take your worthless medicines all you wish. If I had any sense I’d start marketing some myself. Just don’t give them to your kids; they deserve a shot at growing out of superstition.

Yours truly,

John Mayer



On 11/30/09 4:39 PM, Mary Carpenter wrote:
 

Daniel- what a great reply to such a silly question. THANK YOU

 

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From: xpletivor@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:39:58 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine

 
Anyone that tells you that they know the absolute truths, is coming from a place of ego, not from a place of wisdom or true knowledge.
 
 
My thoughts, my opinions for myself;
 
I do not consider any product a medicine (alternative or otherwise), if another being had to die for me to get it. Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it? Are we, or are we not, all One?  (I suppose it`s a matter of one's world view)
 
I also do not consider putting manufactured chemicals (to include genetically altered viruses) into my body, which tend to have untold toxic side effects,  as medicine either. These man made substances are more often than not, stop gap measures that only address the symptoms of any problem, not the root of the problem. Further, poisoning oneself to kill off an infection or a tumor of some kind and hoping to survive the self induced poisoning, also seems backwards to me.  The leading cause of death in the US is going to the hospital (e.g. Modern Medicine). Look it up! There is a place for modern medicine, however. If you break your leg, or experience trauma in an accident, or any other worldly thing occurs, modern medicine is just the trick to stabilize your condition. Modern tools are also extremely helpful in diagnosing conditions. But don't be fooled, Doctors can not heal you. That's your job.
 
One's own body is the best healer. But it needs our positive support.   
 
Reducing toxins, a healthy fresh diet + clean water, regular elimination, physical exercise + proper rest, moral and stress reduced living, and prayer/meditation, supplemented with herbs and other things found naturally, have positive effects and results (documented or not). There are too many cases of Mystics whom live far longer and healthier lives, beyond the norms of the societies they live in, to ignore this evidence. To do so would be folly. To wait for some institution to properly document the exact nature or how these masters achieve their results might take life times... Can you wait that long?  
 
What needs to be stressed is; The universal law of "Cause and Effect";  Eating poorly, failing to be active, living a life full of stress, poisoning the body and mind with toxins, has the effect of causing one to suffer. Addressing these root causes, before any onset of dis-ease, is the best way to ensure a high quality healthy life.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: John Mayer
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine

 

Then please explain to me the difference between using a homeopathic “dilution” that has no effect on disease or the horn of an endangered rhino that has no effect on disease or an albino child’s nose that has no effect on disease. Except that in the last of those a human dies a violent death as opposed to the slow, lingering death many humans die as a result of forgoing REAL medicine for superstitious claptrap. Any medicine that is actually shown to work will work in the same fashion as does does mainstream medicine and will, when the evidence is in, become a part of mainstream medicine. The silly wu nostrums that so many embrace after reading a website or a pamphlet they pick up in their health food store (which is how Big Placebo gets around the injunctions against making unfounded medical claims right on the bottle) are no alternative at all. They’re just hucksterism on the supply end and wide-eyed gullibility on the demand end.

I’d say they have some benefit in allowing Darwinism effect our highly protected population (what with vaccines and all), thus strengthening our gene pool. But there are often children involved, and they are helpless victims.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/30/09 11:24 AM, simkha@riseup.net wrote:

Thanks, Liev.  Alternative medicine is
pharmacuetical medicine; real medicine is nature at
its best and those who know how to work with nature
to assist the body's natural healing.



 This isn't alternative medicine.
  
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM, John Mayer
<johnfmayer@comcast.net> wrote:

    
 *"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing
some tiger bone, some
rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh,
yeah! And the nose of an albino
kid. Will there be a co-pay?”

**Kathie and I were discussing the fact that,
despicable as animal cruelty
is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done
to animals they haven’t
also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them
in factory farms and force
feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any
wonder I feel such contempt
for most so-called alternative medicines and
those who market them? Here’s
my Facebook posting:*

John Mayer
<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf> The
Latest in
Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy
or Reflexology and wu
“medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in
its hideous consequences.
Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking
the place of real, needed
medicine. And of course there are the species
endangered by quack use of
animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of
wu often ask, “Where’s the
harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous
head.

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   NAIROBI, Kenya — The mistaken belief that
albino body parts have
magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's
albinos into hiding, fearful
of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous
dealers who can make up to
$75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.

Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to
skin, eyes and hair, says
she is only comfortable when at work or at home
with her husband and
children.

"Wherever I go people start talking about me,
saying that my legs and hands
can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36,
a mother of six. "This
kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out
alone."

Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in
Tanzania and 14 others have been
slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among
albinos in East Africa.

At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into
hiding since the killings
began, according to a report released this week
by the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies.

East Africa's latest albino murder happened in
Tanzania's Mwanza region in
late October, when albino hunters beheaded
10-year-old Gasper Elikana and
chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing
left Elikana's father, who
tried to defend his son, seriously injured.

Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs
only when both parents have
albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have
normal skin color.

African albinos endure insults, discrimination
and segregation throughout
their lives. They also have a high risk of
contracting skin cancer in a
region where many jobs are outdoors.

Owido, a high school teacher in the western
Kenyan town of Ahero, says she
was forced to transfer from a better teaching job
on the Kenya-Tanzania
border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino
girl she knew was murdered
and her body parts chopped off.

The surge in the use of albino body parts as good
luck charms is a result
of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch
doctors," the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies said.

The report says the market for albino parts
exists mainly in Tanzania,
where a complete set of body parts – including
all limbs, genitals, ears,
tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy
buyers use the parts as
talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.

"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate
vulnerabilities," said
International Federation for the Red Cross and
Crescent societies Secretary
General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be
addressed immediately at an
international level."

The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya,
Isaac Mwaura, called the
murders deplorable but said the killings have
given albinos a platform to
raise awareness.

Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region
were raised by single
mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers
believed their wives were having
affairs with white men.

"When I was born my father said his family tree
doesn't have such children
and left us," Mwaura said.

Some African communities believe that albinos are
harbingers of disaster,
while others mistakenly think albinos are
mentally retarded and discourage
their parents from taking them to school, saying
it's a waste of money, he
said.

Due to a lack of education, many albinos are
illiterate and are forced into
menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin
cancer, he said. Those who
manage to finish school face discrimination in
the work place and are never
considered for promotions.

"People are very blind to albinism but it is very
visible. Now that we have
this issue in Tanzania is when people have
started to talk about albinism,"
Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious
silence."

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She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
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#288 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 1:18 am
Subject: Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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Wendy,

Sorry you’re not comfortable hearing things that don’t support what you already believe, for whatever reasons. But anything I write about alternative medicine – in the sense of any medicine with no scientific foundation, not all remedies that don’t come from a drug store as I believe that some herbal remedies (which have NOTHING To do with homeopathy) are effective. And, yes, big pharm also knows that, which is why they employ ethnobotanists to investigate such plants. I presume, though, that once such plants undergo rigorous testing, reported in peer-reviewed journals, and drug companies produce drugs based upon them – with the advantage of consistent doses – and make them available through pharmacies, that you’d no longer be interested. After all, if it’s science-based medicine it must be bad. If nothing else, it makes all the wu quackery look bad by contrast and so must be resented for that reason alone.

The dangerous chemical you mention, interferon, is, in fact, manufactured within your own body – I know; sorry; scary – and those of nearly all vertebrates. It can help fight viruses, cancer and a host (no pun intended) of ills. But it was ungodly expensive till science figured out how to trick bacteria into making it. Now that it is cheap enough to be practical it is prescribed for even non-life threatening ailments. I suppose its very availability through pharmaceutical companies makes it suspect.

I’m not extremely prejudiced against non-western medicine; I’m extremely prejudiced against quackery. In fact, I believe interferon was discovered in the orient. The very lack of absolute conviction in real medicine that you complain of is what sets it apart from quack medicine and religion. After all, if you already know that all disease comes from issues with the joints in our bones, 95% of them from spinal misalignment (as chiropractic founder – and spiritualist – Palmer believed), then you don’t need to research pathogens, microbiology and so on. You just give the old back a twist. If that doesn’t work, come back next week and we’ll adjust you till it does work. Sooner or later, sure enough, most of your ills will go away. I have to admit, chiropractors have way better bedside manners than doctors, some of whom arrogantly think just applying science-based treatments should be all that’s expected. They could learn a lot from chiropractors on that score. But then, all con-men are likable; its’ an essential quality when you’re trying to make people believe in what you’re selling.

Where did you get the idea that alternative medicine (Big Placebo) doesn’t experiment on animals? They do, since they are constantly trying to APPEAR as though they have some foundation in science. Case in point: Experimenting on Rats for Magnet Therapy Of course, Big Placebo also actually kills animals to harvest their phony treatments like shark liver extracts and black bear bile, rhino horn, seal penises, etc. No, considering their many atrocities, I have NO respect for Oriental TM at all. I have respect for some people who fall prey to AM use; we all see through a glass darkly. But I have no respect for that particular aspect of their beliefs and practices. This is the 21st century; we all ought to have more sense by now.

I never use foul language or personal attacks in my comments (toward mere users, that is; I wouldn’t hesitate to attack [verbally, mind] such people as Drs. Mercola and Blaylock and others who exploit the gullible). I will not allow my observations (and I can back them all up with research data) to be censored. I’m sorry if facts offend you, but truth is more important than my popularity. Happily, I’ve never felt a great need to be popular. So just delete any email from me you suspect might have an evidence-based slant. Or, if you like, I’ll endeavor to scrub your address from my email client’s autofill function.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/30/09 3:46 PM, simkha@... wrote:
Liev,
I agree with you on all points.
And as an added bonus: allopathic medicine is
completely unable to cure my mother's hepatitis C,
which she received from a blood transfusion done in
the early 1980s. One thing western medicine is
great at is dealing with emergency traumas. However, the doctors who would have had her in line
to receive a new liver by this time had no clue how
to help her help herself; an acupuncturist and
strict diet regimen has allowed my mother to be at
least as healthy now as she was when she was first
diagnosed with hepatitis C; she is fairly active
and continues to work at her art. The only thing
western medicine could have offered her was
interferon, which is intravenous chemotherapy and
apparently so debilitating that people who have
used it to fix their hepatitis C would not go
through it again. Forget the fact that my mom,
uninsured, could not afford interferon. Forget the
fact that all the doctors could tell her was "I'm
not sure, I think X but we need to run tests A-z to
be more conclusive," forget the fact that Mom
didn't really want interferon -- she's too small
and the interferon (aka medicine, aka healing
modality) would have killed her. My mom had no
other options, and it turns out that not having the
option to receive western allopathic medicine has
actually not only prolonged her life, but her
quality of life.
John, I've asked you this before and I will ask you
again:
please do NOT send me emails in which you belittle
non-western medicine. I have worked with various
modalities myself and I have seen things work and
things not work (much like allopathic medicine,
except animals aren't being vivisected so some
mulitnational corporation can make huge profits out
of people's illnesses). But your extreme prejudice
against non-western medicine really irritates me. I know how you feel. Now please have some respect
for those of us who like acupuncture, reiki,
massage therapy, flower remedies, homeopathy, etc.
and don't send me any more emails about this topic.
Of course there are issues with practitioners of
certain traditional medicines using endangered and
other animal parts, much as big pharma goes down
into the rainforest and exploits people and plants
and makes attempts to patent plants like the Neem
tree (which has been used in India for thousands of
years) -- because even these corporations know that
plants do have healing powers.
Thank you.
Wendy
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM, John Mayer
<johnfmayer@...> wrote:
 Then please explain to me the difference between
using a homeopathic
“dilution” that has no effect on disease or the
horn of an endangered rhino
that has no effect on disease or an albino
child’s nose that has no effect
on disease.
I can't explain how homeopathy works. I also can't
explain how Vaporub
works. My understanding of it is, the little
pilluls they sell at the
health food store aren't intended to cure disease
but fix symptoms. So,
when I got the stuff that stops bronchial cough
when I was getting over the
swine flu, I didn't care that it didn't cure
disease. My body + a lot of
supplements and rest had already done that. The
cough was just a nuisance.
And it worked. I wouldn't call it a miracle cure.
I'd still have to take
it every several hours, like anything you'd find in
a pharmacy. But it
worked.
Except that in the last of those a human dies a
violent death as opposed to
the slow, lingering death many humans die as a
result of forgoing REAL
medicine for superstitious claptrap.
Again, you're thinking in false blacks and whites.
You are neglecting the
fact that we have agreed on that people die from
even properly prescribed
medications and surgical mishaps. And you're
assuming that people die from
what you say is useless water. if it's useless,
then that implies that it
has no effect. If it has no effect, it can't kill
people.
Any medicine that is actually shown to work will
work in the same fashion
as does does mainstream medicine and will, when
the evidence is in, become a
part of mainstream medicine.
You could say that about healthy eating/lifestyles.
So, then, eating meat
must be good for us. Because it's a mainstream
lifestyle. Or smoking.
Keep in mind, too, that it's allopathic medicine
that says eating
meat/drinking milk is good for you!
The silly wu nostrums that so many embrace after
reading a website or a
pamphlet they pick up in their health food store
(which is how Big Placebo
gets around the injunctions against making
unfounded medical claims right on
the bottle) are no alternative at all. They’re
just hucksterism on the
supply end and wide-eyed gullibility on the
demand end.
The wide-eyed gullible are the ones on my mother's
forum that go in for
hysterectomies because they have prolapsed uteri or
because they bleed too
much. They could just get a pessary or benefit
from acupuncture in the
first case or readjust their diets and chemical
exposures and have an
acupuncturist balance their hormones in the second
case, but no, they have
someone rip out an organ and then they have to be
on dangerous artificial
hormones for the rest of their lives. Wide-eyed
gullibility is EXACTLY how
I would describe people's zombic approach to
allopathic medicine. The same
industry that invents "disorders" when it discovers
chemical combinations
that do weird things to us (like "over-active
bladder syndrome" - describing
people who pee 8 times or more per day, which is
what one should be doing if
one is drinking enough water - when they found
chemicals that make a bladder
hold urine for long periods of time).
I’d say they have some benefit in allowing
Darwinism effect our highly
protected population (what with vaccines and
all), thus strengthening our
gene pool. But there are often children involved,
and they are helpless
victims.
Don't even get me started on vaccines!!!!
Liev
Yours truly,
John Mayer
On 11/30/09 11:24 AM, simkha@... wrote:
Thanks, Liev. Alternative medicine is
pharmacuetical medicine; real medicine is nature
at
its best and those who know how to work with
nature
to assist the body's natural healing.
This isn't alternative medicine.
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM, John
Mayer<johnfmayer@...>
<johnfmayer@...> wrote:
*"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing
some tiger bone, some
rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh,
yeah! And the nose of an albino
kid. Will there be a co-pay?”
**Kathie and I were discussing the fact that,
despicable as animal cruelty
is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done
to animals they haven’t
also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them
in factory farms and force
feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any
wonder I feel such contempt
for most so-called alternative medicines and
those who market them? Here’s
my Facebook posting:*
John
Mayer<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf>
<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf> The
Latest in
Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy
or Reflexology and wu
“medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in
its hideous consequences.
Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking
the place of real, needed
medicine. And of course there are the species
endangered by quack use of
animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of
wu often ask, “Where’s the
harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous
head.
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NAIROBI, Kenya — The mistaken belief that
albino body parts have
magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's
albinos into hiding, fearful
of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous
dealers who can make up to
$75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.
Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to
skin, eyes and hair, says
she is only comfortable when at work or at home
with her husband and
children.
"Wherever I go people start talking about me,
saying that my legs and hands
can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36,
a mother of six. "This
kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out
alone."
Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in
Tanzania and 14 others have been
slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among
albinos in East Africa.
At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into
hiding since the killings
began, according to a report released this week
by the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies.
East Africa's latest albino murder happened in
Tanzania's Mwanza region in
late October, when albino hunters beheaded
10-year-old Gasper Elikana and
chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing
left Elikana's father, who
tried to defend his son, seriously injured.
Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs
only when both parents have
albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have
normal skin color.
African albinos endure insults, discrimination
and segregation throughout
their lives. They also have a high risk of
contracting skin cancer in a
region where many jobs are outdoors.
Owido, a high school teacher in the western
Kenyan town of Ahero, says she
was forced to transfer from a better teaching job
on the Kenya-Tanzania
border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino
girl she knew was murdered
and her body parts chopped off.
The surge in the use of albino body parts as good
luck charms is a result
of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch
doctors," the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies said.
The report says the market for albino parts
exists mainly in Tanzania,
where a complete set of body parts – including
all limbs, genitals, ears,
tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy
buyers use the parts as
talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.
"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate
vulnerabilities," said
International Federation for the Red Cross and
Crescent societies Secretary
General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be
addressed immediately at an
international level."
The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya,
Isaac Mwaura, called the
murders deplorable but said the killings have
given albinos a platform to
raise awareness.
Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region
were raised by single
mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers
believed their wives were having
affairs with white men.
"When I was born my father said his family tree
doesn't have such children
and left us," Mwaura said.
Some African communities believe that albinos are
harbingers of disaster,
while others mistakenly think albinos are
mentally retarded and discourage
their parents from taking them to school, saying
it's a waste of money, he
said.
Due to a lack of education, many albinos are
illiterate and are forced into
menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin
cancer, he said. Those who
manage to finish school face discrimination in
the work place and are never
considered for promotions.
"People are very blind to albinism but it is very
visible. Now that we have
this issue in Tanzania is when people have
started to talk about albinism,"
Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious
silence."
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If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
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#287 From: Mary Carpenter <m_kaos@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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Daniel- what a great reply to such a silly question. THANK YOU

 



 



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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:39:58 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine

 
Anyone that tells you that they know the absolute truths, is coming from a place of ego, not from a place of wisdom or true knowledge.
 
 
My thoughts, my opinions for myself;
 
I do not consider any product a medicine (alternative or otherwise), if another being had to die for me to get it. Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it? Are we, or are we not, all One?  (I suppose it`s a matter of one's world view)
 
I also do not consider putting manufactured chemicals (to include genetically altered viruses) into my body, which tend to have untold toxic side effects,  as medicine either. These man made substances are more often than not, stop gap measures that only address the symptoms of any problem, not the root of the problem. Further, poisoning oneself to kill off an infection or a tumor of some kind and hoping to survive the self induced poisoning, also seems backwards to me.  The leading cause of death in the US is going to the hospital (e.g. Modern Medicine). Look it up! There is a place for modern medicine, however. If you break your leg, or experience trauma in an accident, or any other worldly thing occurs, modern medicine is just the trick to stabilize your condition. Modern tools are also extremely helpful in diagnosing conditions. But don't be fooled, Doctors can not heal you. That's your job.
 
One's own body is the best healer. But it needs our positive support.   
 
Reducing toxins, a healthy fresh diet + clean water, regular elimination, physical exercise + proper rest, moral and stress reduced living, and prayer/meditation, supplemented with herbs and other things found naturally, have positive effects and results (documented or not). There are too many cases of Mystics whom live far longer and healthier lives, beyond the norms of the societies they live in, to ignore this evidence. To do so would be folly. To wait for some institution to properly document the exact nature or how these masters achieve their results might take life times... Can you wait that long?  
 
What needs to be stressed is; The universal law of "Cause and Effect";  Eating poorly, failing to be active, living a life full of stress, poisoning the body and mind with toxins, has the effect of causing one to suffer. Addressing these root causes, before any onset of dis-ease, is the best way to ensure a high quality healthy life.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: John Mayer
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine

 

Then please explain to me the difference between using a homeopathic “dilution” that has no effect on disease or the horn of an endangered rhino that has no effect on disease or an albino child’s nose that has no effect on disease. Except that in the last of those a human dies a violent death as opposed to the slow, lingering death many humans die as a result of forgoing REAL medicine for superstitious claptrap. Any medicine that is actually shown to work will work in the same fashion as does does mainstream medicine and will, when the evidence is in, become a part of mainstream medicine. The silly wu nostrums that so many embrace after reading a website or a pamphlet they pick up in their health food store (which is how Big Placebo gets around the injunctions against making unfounded medical claims right on the bottle) are no alternative at all. They’re just hucksterism on the supply end and wide-eyed gullibility on the demand end.

I’d say they have some benefit in allowing Darwinism effect our highly protected population (what with vaccines and all), thus strengthening our gene pool. But there are often children involved, and they are helpless victims.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/30/09 11:24 AM, simkha@riseup.net wrote:

Thanks, Liev. Alternative medicine is
pharmacuetical medicine; real medicine is nature at
its best and those who know how to work with nature
to assist the body's natural healing.
This isn't alternative medicine.
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM, John Mayer
<johnfmayer@comcast.net> wrote:
 *"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing
some tiger bone, some
rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh,
yeah! And the nose of an albino
kid. Will there be a co-pay?”
**Kathie and I were discussing the fact that,
despicable as animal cruelty
is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done
to animals they haven’t
also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them
in factory farms and force
feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any
wonder I feel such contempt
for most so-called alternative medicines and
those who market them? Here’s
my Facebook posting:*
John Mayer
<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf> The
Latest in
Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy
or Reflexology and wu
“medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in
its hideous consequences.
Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking
the place of real, needed
medicine. And of course there are the species
endangered by quack use of
animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of
wu often ask, “Where’s the
harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous
head.
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NAIROBI, Kenya — The mistaken belief that
albino body parts have
magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's
albinos into hiding, fearful
of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous
dealers who can make up to
$75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.
Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to
skin, eyes and hair, says
she is only comfortable when at work or at home
with her husband and
children.
"Wherever I go people start talking about me,
saying that my legs and hands
can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36,
a mother of six. "This
kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out
alone."
Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in
Tanzania and 14 others have been
slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among
albinos in East Africa.
At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into
hiding since the killings
began, according to a report released this week
by the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies.
East Africa's latest albino murder happened in
Tanzania's Mwanza region in
late October, when albino hunters beheaded
10-year-old Gasper Elikana and
chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing
left Elikana's father, who
tried to defend his son, seriously injured.
Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs
only when both parents have
albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have
normal skin color.
African albinos endure insults, discrimination
and segregation throughout
their lives. They also have a high risk of
contracting skin cancer in a
region where many jobs are outdoors.
Owido, a high school teacher in the western
Kenyan town of Ahero, says she
was forced to transfer from a better teaching job
on the Kenya-Tanzania
border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino
girl she knew was murdered
and her body parts chopped off.
The surge in the use of albino body parts as good
luck charms is a result
of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch
doctors," the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies said.
The report says the market for albino parts
exists mainly in Tanzania,
where a complete set of body parts – including
all limbs, genitals, ears,
tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy
buyers use the parts as
talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.
"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate
vulnerabilities," said
International Federation for the Red Cross and
Crescent societies Secretary
General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be
addressed immediately at an
international level."
The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya,
Isaac Mwaura, called the
murders deplorable but said the killings have
given albinos a platform to
raise awareness.
Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region
were raised by single
mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers
believed their wives were having
affairs with white men.
"When I was born my father said his family tree
doesn't have such children
and left us," Mwaura said.
Some African communities believe that albinos are
harbingers of disaster,
while others mistakenly think albinos are
mentally retarded and discourage
their parents from taking them to school, saying
it's a waste of money, he
said.
Due to a lack of education, many albinos are
illiterate and are forced into
menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin
cancer, he said. Those who
manage to finish school face discrimination in
the work place and are never
considered for promotions.
"People are very blind to albinism but it is very
visible. Now that we have
this issue in Tanzania is when people have
started to talk about albinism,"
Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious
silence."
--
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Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including
an alpha female. The older dog is becoming
arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive
toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place.
Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of
God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over
a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence
and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I
realized they were gone I set out looking for
them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I
returned from one of those expeditions I
discovered they had returned and were harassing a
neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to
pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t
home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and
had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took
no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the
complainants). I had no trouble getting the two
dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the
goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and
more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity.
The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and
they, plainly, believed everything negative
they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically,
several years ago, I had two goats that were
harassed and, ultimately, at different times,
killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
lived in the very house where the belligerant
neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog
is now deceases.
\f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for
Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that,
in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of
them, very friendly, playful, energetic without
being hyper, good with kids, and highly
intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She
gets along fine with my male dogs and might get
along with females that are not aggressive. She
has only been around one cat, for a few days, and
was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
positively say she is good with cats on that
basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat
indoors but chase it if they should both be
outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is
in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for
her, please let me know. A friend took her for a
few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat
disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had
killed it and returned her. The cat was at his
house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing
to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will
make it to place her, if there is a reasonable
certainty she will, assuming my description of
her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there
(in response to a notice I posted in a
spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so
with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter
certificate in hand [the pups were too young to
fix], only to discover the caller was looking for
a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned
with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any
lengths in my power to find this fine,
intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some
servers and email clients are set to reject
letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to
you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a
web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that
I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra
is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been
trying to find a home for her for a long time.
The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and
agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their
animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}


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\f0\i0 \
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Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}





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#286 From: "Daniel" <xpletivor@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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Anyone that tells you that they know the absolute truths, is coming from a place of ego, not from a place of wisdom or true knowledge.
 
 
My thoughts, my opinions for myself;
 
I do not consider any product a medicine (alternative or otherwise), if another being had to die for me to get it. Kinda defeats the point, doesn't it? Are we, or are we not, all One?  (I suppose it`s a matter of one's world view)
 
I also do not consider putting manufactured chemicals (to include genetically altered viruses) into my body, which tend to have untold toxic side effects,  as medicine either. These man made substances are more often than not, stop gap measures that only address the symptoms of any problem, not the root of the problem. Further, poisoning oneself to kill off an infection or a tumor of some kind and hoping to survive the self induced poisoning, also seems backwards to me.  The leading cause of death in the US is going to the hospital (e.g. Modern Medicine). Look it up! There is a place for modern medicine, however. If you break your leg, or experience trauma in an accident, or any other worldly thing occurs, modern medicine is just the trick to stabilize your condition. Modern tools are also extremely helpful in diagnosing conditions. But don't be fooled, Doctors can not heal you. That's your job.
 
One's own body is the best healer. But it needs our positive support.   
 
Reducing toxins, a healthy fresh diet + clean water, regular elimination, physical exercise + proper rest, moral and stress reduced living, and prayer/meditation, supplemented with herbs and other things found naturally, have positive effects and results (documented or not). There are too many cases of Mystics whom live far longer and healthier lives, beyond the norms of the societies they live in, to ignore this evidence. To do so would be folly. To wait for some institution to properly document the exact nature or how these masters achieve their results might take life times... Can you wait that long?  
 
What needs to be stressed is; The universal law of "Cause and Effect";  Eating poorly, failing to be active, living a life full of stress, poisoning the body and mind with toxins, has the effect of causing one to suffer. Addressing these root causes, before any onset of dis-ease, is the best way to ensure a high quality healthy life.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: John Mayer
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine

 

Then please explain to me the difference between using a homeopathic “dilution” that has no effect on disease or the horn of an endangered rhino that has no effect on disease or an albino child’s nose that has no effect on disease. Except that in the last of those a human dies a violent death as opposed to the slow, lingering death many humans die as a result of forgoing REAL medicine for superstitious claptrap. Any medicine that is actually shown to work will work in the same fashion as does does mainstream medicine and will, when the evidence is in, become a part of mainstream medicine. The silly wu nostrums that so many embrace after reading a website or a pamphlet they pick up in their health food store (which is how Big Placebo gets around the injunctions against making unfounded medical claims right on the bottle) are no alternative at all. They’re just hucksterism on the supply end and wide-eyed gullibility on the demand end.

I’d say they have some benefit in allowing Darwinism effect our highly protected population (what with vaccines and all), thus strengthening our gene pool. But there are often children involved, and they are helpless victims.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/30/09 11:24 AM, simkha@riseup.net wrote:

Thanks, Liev. Alternative medicine is
pharmacuetical medicine; real medicine is nature at
its best and those who know how to work with nature
to assist the body's natural healing.
This isn't alternative medicine.
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM, John Mayer
<johnfmayer@comcast.net> wrote:
 *"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing
some tiger bone, some
rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh,
yeah! And the nose of an albino
kid. Will there be a co-pay?”
**Kathie and I were discussing the fact that,
despicable as animal cruelty
is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done
to animals they haven’t
also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them
in factory farms and force
feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any
wonder I feel such contempt
for most so-called alternative medicines and
those who market them? Here’s
my Facebook posting:*
John Mayer
<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf> The
Latest in
Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy
or Reflexology and wu
“medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in
its hideous consequences.
Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking
the place of real, needed
medicine. And of course there are the species
endangered by quack use of
animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of
wu often ask, “Where’s the
harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous
head.
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NAIROBI, Kenya — The mistaken belief that
albino body parts have
magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's
albinos into hiding, fearful
of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous
dealers who can make up to
$75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.
Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to
skin, eyes and hair, says
she is only comfortable when at work or at home
with her husband and
children.
"Wherever I go people start talking about me,
saying that my legs and hands
can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36,
a mother of six. "This
kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out
alone."
Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in
Tanzania and 14 others have been
slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among
albinos in East Africa.
At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into
hiding since the killings
began, according to a report released this week
by the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies.
East Africa's latest albino murder happened in
Tanzania's Mwanza region in
late October, when albino hunters beheaded
10-year-old Gasper Elikana and
chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing
left Elikana's father, who
tried to defend his son, seriously injured.
Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs
only when both parents have
albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have
normal skin color.
African albinos endure insults, discrimination
and segregation throughout
their lives. They also have a high risk of
contracting skin cancer in a
region where many jobs are outdoors.
Owido, a high school teacher in the western
Kenyan town of Ahero, says she
was forced to transfer from a better teaching job
on the Kenya-Tanzania
border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino
girl she knew was murdered
and her body parts chopped off.
The surge in the use of albino body parts as good
luck charms is a result
of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch
doctors," the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies said.
The report says the market for albino parts
exists mainly in Tanzania,
where a complete set of body parts – including
all limbs, genitals, ears,
tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy
buyers use the parts as
talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.
"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate
vulnerabilities," said
International Federation for the Red Cross and
Crescent societies Secretary
General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be
addressed immediately at an
international level."
The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya,
Isaac Mwaura, called the
murders deplorable but said the killings have
given albinos a platform to
raise awareness.
Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region
were raised by single
mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers
believed their wives were having
affairs with white men.
"When I was born my father said his family tree
doesn't have such children
and left us," Mwaura said.
Some African communities believe that albinos are
harbingers of disaster,
while others mistakenly think albinos are
mentally retarded and discourage
their parents from taking them to school, saying
it's a waste of money, he
said.
Due to a lack of education, many albinos are
illiterate and are forced into
menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin
cancer, he said. Those who
manage to finish school face discrimination in
the work place and are never
considered for promotions.
"People are very blind to albinism but it is very
visible. Now that we have
this issue in Tanzania is when people have
started to talk about albinism,"
Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious
silence."
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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in
placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I
originally took her in as a foster dog at the
urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her
owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however,
in getting me the vet papers that should have
helped in placing her. By the time I finally got
them I had returned to school and just let that
matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a
hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including
an alpha female. The older dog is becoming
arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive
toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place.
Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of
God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over
a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence
and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I
realized they were gone I set out looking for
them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I
returned from one of those expeditions I
discovered they had returned and were harassing a
neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to
pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t
home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and
had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took
no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the
complainants). I had no trouble getting the two
dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the
goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and
more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity.
The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and
they, plainly, believed everything negative
they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically,
several years ago, I had two goats that were
harassed and, ultimately, at different times,
killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
lived in the very house where the belligerant
neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog
is now deceases.
\f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for
Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that,
in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of
them, very friendly, playful, energetic without
being hyper, good with kids, and highly
intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She
gets along fine with my male dogs and might get
along with females that are not aggressive. She
has only been around one cat, for a few days, and
was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
positively say she is good with cats on that
basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat
indoors but chase it if they should both be
outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is
in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for
her, please let me know. A friend took her for a
few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat
disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had
killed it and returned her. The cat was at his
house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing
to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will
make it to place her, if there is a reasonable
certainty she will, assuming my description of
her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there
(in response to a notice I posted in a
spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so
with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter
certificate in hand [the pups were too young to
fix], only to discover the caller was looking for
a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned
with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any
lengths in my power to find this fine,
intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some
servers and email clients are set to reject
letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to
you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a
web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that
I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra
is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been
trying to find a home for her for a long time.
The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and
agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their
animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}


#285 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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Then please explain to me the difference between using a homeopathic “dilution” that has no effect on disease or the horn of an endangered rhino that has no effect on disease or an albino child’s nose that has no effect on disease. Except that in the last of those a human dies a violent death as opposed to the slow, lingering death many humans die as a result of forgoing REAL medicine for superstitious claptrap. Any medicine that is actually shown to work will work in the same fashion as does does mainstream medicine and will, when the evidence is in, become a part of mainstream medicine. The silly wu nostrums that so many embrace after reading a website or a pamphlet they pick up in their health food store (which is how Big Placebo gets around the injunctions against making unfounded medical claims right on the bottle) are no alternative at all. They’re just hucksterism on the supply end and wide-eyed gullibility on the demand end.

I’d say they have some benefit in allowing Darwinism effect our highly protected population (what with vaccines and all), thus strengthening our gene pool. But there are often children involved, and they are helpless victims.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/30/09 11:24 AM, simkha@... wrote:
Thanks, Liev. Alternative medicine is
pharmacuetical medicine; real medicine is nature at
its best and those who know how to work with nature
to assist the body's natural healing.
This isn't alternative medicine.
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM, John Mayer
<johnfmayer@...> wrote:
 *"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing
some tiger bone, some
rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh,
yeah! And the nose of an albino
kid. Will there be a co-pay?”
**Kathie and I were discussing the fact that,
despicable as animal cruelty
is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done
to animals they haven’t
also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them
in factory farms and force
feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any
wonder I feel such contempt
for most so-called alternative medicines and
those who market them? Here’s
my Facebook posting:*
John Mayer
<http://www.facebook.com/JohnFMayer?ref=nf> The
Latest in
Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy
or Reflexology and wu
“medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in
its hideous consequences.
Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking
the place of real, needed
medicine. And of course there are the species
endangered by quack use of
animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of
wu often ask, “Where’s the
harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous
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NAIROBI, Kenya — The mistaken belief that
albino body parts have
magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's
albinos into hiding, fearful
of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous
dealers who can make up to
$75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.
Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to
skin, eyes and hair, says
she is only comfortable when at work or at home
with her husband and
children.
"Wherever I go people start talking about me,
saying that my legs and hands
can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36,
a mother of six. "This
kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out
alone."
Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in
Tanzania and 14 others have been
slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among
albinos in East Africa.
At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into
hiding since the killings
began, according to a report released this week
by the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies.
East Africa's latest albino murder happened in
Tanzania's Mwanza region in
late October, when albino hunters beheaded
10-year-old Gasper Elikana and
chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing
left Elikana's father, who
tried to defend his son, seriously injured.
Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs
only when both parents have
albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have
normal skin color.
African albinos endure insults, discrimination
and segregation throughout
their lives. They also have a high risk of
contracting skin cancer in a
region where many jobs are outdoors.
Owido, a high school teacher in the western
Kenyan town of Ahero, says she
was forced to transfer from a better teaching job
on the Kenya-Tanzania
border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino
girl she knew was murdered
and her body parts chopped off.
The surge in the use of albino body parts as good
luck charms is a result
of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch
doctors," the International
Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent
societies said.
The report says the market for albino parts
exists mainly in Tanzania,
where a complete set of body parts – including
all limbs, genitals, ears,
tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy
buyers use the parts as
talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.
"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate
vulnerabilities," said
International Federation for the Red Cross and
Crescent societies Secretary
General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be
addressed immediately at an
international level."
The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya,
Isaac Mwaura, called the
murders deplorable but said the killings have
given albinos a platform to
raise awareness.
Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region
were raised by single
mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers
believed their wives were having
affairs with white men.
"When I was born my father said his family tree
doesn't have such children
and left us," Mwaura said.
Some African communities believe that albinos are
harbingers of disaster,
while others mistakenly think albinos are
mentally retarded and discourage
their parents from taking them to school, saying
it's a waste of money, he
said.
Due to a lack of education, many albinos are
illiterate and are forced into
menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin
cancer, he said. Those who
manage to finish school face discrimination in
the work place and are never
considered for promotions.
"People are very blind to albinism but it is very
visible. Now that we have
this issue in Tanzania is when people have
started to talk about albinism,"
Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious
silence."
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Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in
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\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including
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arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive
toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place.
Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of
God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over
a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence
and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I
realized they were gone I set out looking for
them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I
returned from one of those expeditions I
discovered they had returned and were harassing a
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home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and
had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took
no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the
complainants). I had no trouble getting the two
dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the
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The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and
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killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
lived in the very house where the belligerant
neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog
is now deceases.
\f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for
Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that,
in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of
them, very friendly, playful, energetic without
being hyper, good with kids, and highly
intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She
gets along fine with my male dogs and might get
along with females that are not aggressive. She
has only been around one cat, for a few days, and
was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
positively say she is good with cats on that
basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat
indoors but chase it if they should both be
outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is
in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for
her, please let me know. A friend took her for a
few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat
disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had
killed it and returned her. The cat was at his
house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing
to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will
make it to place her, if there is a reasonable
certainty she will, assuming my description of
her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there
(in response to a notice I posted in a
spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so
with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter
certificate in hand [the pups were too young to
fix], only to discover the caller was looking for
a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned
with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any
lengths in my power to find this fine,
intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some
servers and email clients are set to reject
letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to
you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a
web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that
I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra
is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been
trying to find a home for her for a long time.
The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and
agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their
animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
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\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#284 From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:10 am
Subject: Re: FW: DC 6-09 GAO Asked to Investigate Cruelty to Horses and Obama and Vilsack Asked to Push for Ban on Horse Slaughter
mayer@...
Send Email Send Email
 
Thanks, Cindy. Most of us don’t see it, but the animal enterprise
advocates, horse breeders of all sorts and the AVMA are burning up the
internet with angry bellows about the ways in which restrictions on
horse slaughter threaten profits (and, really, hurt the poor horsies
because now they have to be transported further in trucks wherein they
suffer terribly [Wait a minute; aren’t these the same trucks benignly
hauling cattle to their blissful final repose?], and to monstrous
facilities in Canada and Mexico where they kill them in mean ways [are
there no restrictions on the import of meat from countries where animals
are not slaughtered >ahem< humanely?]). There is constant pressure to
bring back horse slaughterhouses to the US to help the American horse
breeder compete with foreign breeders who endure no such odious
restrictions. Some bozo politico out in Strawberry Plains was wanting to
pass legislation to permit a horse slaughterhouse there. To bring JOBS!
Who could object to THAT? Apparently enough of his constituents were
opposed to blood money that he’s shut up about it, for now. I’m sure he
still discusses the matter with members of the groups mentioned above,
who, by now, will have contacted him with offers of immoral support.

It might have been Temple Grandin – love her or hate her; she is
autistic (I’m guessing, actually, she has the more recently identified
Asperger Syndrome) and probably doesn’t care what we think of her – who
observed that it is not possible to kill horses even as “humanely” as
cattle, as horses are of a different temperament and will not wait
placidly with their heads in the killing frame as cattle do. Sometimes
they pull away at just the wrong moment and the bolt goes through parts
of the skull that DON’T provide for a quick kill. A nasty business, best
not spoken of around the children; they’re too young to understand the
realities of the horse biz.

Among the other things that advocates of horse slaughter solemnly warn
of is the possibility that once “animal rights wackos” get horse
slaughterhouses shut down (I think there are none in the US presently),
they’ll go after regular slaughterhouses where pigs, cows, sheep,
poultry and, basically, anything they can make a hot-dog out of, die
pretty awful deaths, too. Speak up to protect our form of cruelty or
they may come to take away yours! If only it were so.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/29/09 8:41 PM, cindygoldenhair@... wrote:
> Another interesting thing to link to
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> > From    : Paul Miller[mailto:PMiller@...]
> Sent    : 6/15/2009 5:18:09 AM
> To      : PMiller@...
> Cc      :
> Subject : FW: DC 6-09 GAO Asked to Investigate Cruelty to Horses and Obama and
Vilsack Asked to Push for Ban on Horse Slaughter
>
>
>
>
>
> GAO
> Asked to Investigate Cruelty to Horses and Obama and Vilsack Asked to Push for
> Ban on Horse Slaughter
>
> Animals' Angels and Animal Law
> Coalition have requested that the Government Accountability Office investigate
> the failure of government agencies to enforce laws requiring humane treatment
> of horses during transport to slaughter and at the slaughter houses. Alarming
> cruelty and violations of the law have been found to have occurred at U.S.
> slaughter houses, refuting claims the slaughter of horses was humane in the
> U.S.
>
>
>
>
>    Irrefutable
>    evidence of brutality is already quite plentiful, unfortunately. We believe
>    the GAO's report will be the definitive wakeup call to the new USDA
Secretary
>    Tom Vilsack and the Obama administration to push for an immediate ban on
>    horse slaughter.
>
>
>
>
> Ithaca, New York (PRWEB) June 15, 2009 --
> The Animal Law Coalition and Animals Angels have asked the U.S. Government
> Accounting Office (GAO) to investigate gross violations of humane laws and
regulations
> of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) in connection with the commercial
> slaughter of horses.
>
> The request for a GAO investigation comes in the wake of a
> Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for documents which were
subsequently
> released by the USDA. Alarming cruelty and violations of regulations were
> documented in several hundred photos taken during 2005 at U.S.
> slaughterhouses by USDA investigators.
>
> Though horse slaughter ended in the U.S. in 2007, American horses are still
sold for
> slaughter in Mexico and Canada.
> Proponents of horse slaughter have insisted on the re-opening of horse
> slaughter plants, saying U.S.
> laws protect horses from cruelty unlike Mexico
> and Canada.
>
>
> However, documents and photos released by the USDA refute
> such claims. The FOIA shows horses bound for slaughter in the U.S. endured
> shockingly cruel treatment. Photographs documented horses with legs ripped
off,
> eyeballs hanging on their cheeks and other severe injuries.
>
> Earlier GAO documents raise additional disturbing humane
> issues. A 2004 GAO report found horses were slaughtered while conscious, which
> are considered significant violations of the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act.
>
> Sonja Meadows, Executive Director of Animals' Angels, a Maryland based animal
> welfare organization, said, "We are asking the GAO to thoroughly examine
> the ineffectiveness of laws in preventing documented cruelty and inhumane
> practices. It seems clear from the USDA FOIA, earlier GAO reports, ours and
> others' investigations, that horse slaughter is a predatory business whose
> economics require cruel and inhumane practices. It is definitely not, as horse
> slaughter advocates would have the public believe, a service motivated by
> altruistic concerns or humane practices."
>
> Horses are slaughtered for consumption overseas, primarily
> in parts of Europe and Asia. A USDA study
> shows that 92% of the American horses at slaughter are young, healthy and
> without behavioral problems, refuting claims that horse slaughter provides a
> service in disposing of horses that are old, lame, sick or crazy.
>
> Meadows said, "Irrefutable evidence of brutality is
> already quite plentiful, unfortunately. We believe the GAO's report will be
the
> definitive wakeup call to the new USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack and the Obama
> administration to push for an immediate ban on horse slaughter."
>
> The documents including photos released by the USDA can be
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\f1\i \cf0 I\'d5ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing
along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you\'d5ve
come through, and thanks for that.
\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no
longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend
on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however,
in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time
I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now
I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i  I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog
is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the
dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of
God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up
my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized
they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot.
When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and
were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my
property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury
and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5
owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under
control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been
nicer and more understanding) were swearing to shoot my dogs on sight at the
first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they,
plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed.
Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and,
ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the
owner of the dog is now deceases.
\f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of
the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very
friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly
intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs
and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been
around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be
fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve
known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A
friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat
disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her.
The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as
my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she
will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get
there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an
hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups
were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to
breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to
any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are
set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request.
I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in
future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to
find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill
shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#283 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:28 am
Subject: The Latest in Alternative Medicine
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"Yeah, I’m out of all my meds. I’ll be needing some tiger bone, some rhino horn, a couple of seal genitals... Oh, yeah! And the nose of an albino kid. Will there be a co-pay?”

Kathie and I were discussing the fact that, despicable as animal cruelty is, there’s probably nothing anyone has ever done to animals they haven’t also done to humans. Except, maybe, putting them in factory farms and force feeding them so their livers swell. Is it any wonder I feel such contempt for most so-called alternative medicines and those who market them? Here’s my Facebook posting: 



John Mayer The Latest in Alternative Medicine: no Sillier than Homeopathy or Reflexology and wu “medicine” ad infinitum, but more immediate in its hideous consequences. Usually children die more slowly due to AM taking the place of real, needed medicine. And of course there are the species endangered by quack use of animal parts... also ad infinitum. Defenders of wu often ask, “Where’s the harm?” Wherever quack medicine rears its venomous head.

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10,000 Albinos In Hiding After Killings In East Africa

TOM ODULA | 11/28/09 05:24 PM | AP

NAIROBI, Kenya — The mistaken belief that albino body parts have magical powers has driven thousands of Africa's albinos into hiding, fearful of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous dealers who can make up to $75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.

Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to skin, eyes and hair, says she is only comfortable when at work or at home with her husband and children.

"Wherever I go people start talking about me, saying that my legs and hands can fetch a fortune in Tanzania," said Owido, 36, a mother of six. "This kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out alone."

Since 2007, 44 albinos have been killed in Tanzania and 14 others have been slain in Burundi, sparking widespread fear among albinos in East Africa.

At least 10,000 have been displaced or gone into hiding since the killings began, according to a report released this week by the International Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent societies.

East Africa's latest albino murder happened in Tanzania's Mwanza region in late October, when albino hunters beheaded 10-year-old Gasper Elikana and chopped off his leg, the report said. The killing left Elikana's father, who tried to defend his son, seriously injured.

Albinism is a hereditary condition, but occurs only when both parents have albinism genes. All six of Owido's children have normal skin color.

African albinos endure insults, discrimination and segregation throughout their lives. They also have a high risk of contracting skin cancer in a region where many jobs are outdoors.

Owido, a high school teacher in the western Kenyan town of Ahero, says she was forced to transfer from a better teaching job on the Kenya-Tanzania border town of Isebania in 2008 after an albino girl she knew was murdered and her body parts chopped off.

The surge in the use of albino body parts as good luck charms is a result of "a kind of marketing exercise by witch doctors," the International Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent societies said.

The report says the market for albino parts exists mainly in Tanzania, where a complete set of body parts – including all limbs, genitals, ears, tongue and nose – can sell for $75,000. Wealthy buyers use the parts as talismans to bring them wealth and good fortune.

"Albinism is one of the most unfortunate vulnerabilities," said International Federation for the Red Cross and Crescent societies Secretary General Bekele Geleta. "And it needs to be addressed immediately at an international level."

The chairman of the Albino Association of Kenya, Isaac Mwaura, called the murders deplorable but said the killings have given albinos a platform to raise awareness.

Almost 90 percent of albinos living in the region were raised by single mothers, Mwaura said, because the fathers believed their wives were having affairs with white men.

"When I was born my father said his family tree doesn't have such children and left us," Mwaura said.

Some African communities believe that albinos are harbingers of disaster, while others mistakenly think albinos are mentally retarded and discourage their parents from taking them to school, saying it's a waste of money, he said.

Due to a lack of education, many albinos are illiterate and are forced into menial jobs, exposing them to the sun and skin cancer, he said. Those who manage to finish school face discrimination in the work place and are never considered for promotions.

"People are very blind to albinism but it is very visible. Now that we have this issue in Tanzania is when people have started to talk about albinism," Mwaura said. "Before there was a studious silence."

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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}
 

Perpetual Ignorance

If the teacher is a fool, then the
student becomes fooled and becomes
filled with foolishness. In this
manner, lies are passed from one
generation to the next and are
accepted as truths. Those who
question lies are ridiculed as
being foolhardy.

The November issue of Hoard's Dairyman
(The National Dairy Farm Magazine)
contains this (page 713) story:

DRINKING MILK IS A RAW DEAL
by Lorre Kolb

Within the article is this statement:

"...Enzymes and hormones in milk are
rapidly broken down by the digestive
system."

Knowing that not to be true, I contacted
the author and attempted to correct her
thinking. Her response to me:

"Oh, I didn't write that. I'm just a
communications specialist at the
University of Wisconsin."

She then told me that the unattributed
author was actually Professor Barbara
Hingham, a food expert.

I called Dr. Hingham and left a message
for her on Monday, November 23, 2009.
I then emailed the "expert."

bhingham@wisc.edu

I asked:

"Would you also conclude that these same
lactoferrins and immunoglobulins in human
breast milk are useless because they too
are broken down?"

Making things up as she went along, she
wrote back to me:

Human hormones work for humans, but animal
hormones do not work in humans.

My response to that:

"This is awful news for women who take
Premarin, a pill containing estrogen
collected from PREgnant MARe uriNe."

I then asked, "What happens when the
bovine protein and the human protein
are identical?"

I did not hear back from Dr. Hingham, so
I tried calling her again the following
day. This time, we connected. I again
asked, "What if the hormones are identical?"

She said that was not possible. I
explained that IGF-I is the same
in humans and cows and that IGF-I
has been identified as the KEY factor
in the growth or human breast cancer
and human prostate cancer.

She is a lovely but ignorant lady. Dr.
Hingham could not answer any of my
questions. She explained:

"I do not have a background or understanding
of the endocrinology involved in the
absorption of milk hormones."

It is an outrage that another individual
authored her incorrect conclusion, which
was read by tens of thousands of dairy
farmers who will now argue that "enzymes
and hormones in milk are rapidly broken
down."

They are not.

Milk buffers gastric pH so that milk
protein hormones survive.

Milk was designed to be a hormonal delivery
system.

Man's science has improved upon nature's
design by homogenizing cow's milk and
creating micronized liposomes (fat molecules)
which envelop and "protect" proteins from
rapid breakdown.

Barbara's contact information:

http://foodsci.wisc.edu/faculty/inghamb/

As for Hoard's Dairyman, they display a
lack of journalistic integrity by not
taking responsibility for the errors
they print. Hoard's continually ignores
my letters of correction, although they
happily deposit my subscription checks.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com


#282 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:16 am
Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: NOTMILK - Perpetual Ignorance]
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I love the way this guy writes. AND the fact that he actually knows a thing or two about his subject. Again, I think it a crying shame that our local vegetarian society does nothing to help inform our membership about nutrition, except for the few times that Kathie has managed to overcome our stubborn resisitance to any program that is not a coooking demonstration. JM

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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}
 

Perpetual Ignorance

If the teacher is a fool, then the
student becomes fooled and becomes
filled with foolishness. In this
manner, lies are passed from one
generation to the next and are
accepted as truths. Those who
question lies are ridiculed as
being foolhardy.

The November issue of Hoard's Dairyman
(The National Dairy Farm Magazine)
contains this (page 713) story:

DRINKING MILK IS A RAW DEAL
by Lorre Kolb

Within the article is this statement:

"...Enzymes and hormones in milk are
rapidly broken down by the digestive
system."

Knowing that not to be true, I contacted
the author and attempted to correct her
thinking. Her response to me:

"Oh, I didn't write that. I'm just a
communications specialist at the
University of Wisconsin."

She then told me that the unattributed
author was actually Professor Barbara
Hingham, a food expert.

I called Dr. Hingham and left a message
for her on Monday, November 23, 2009.
I then emailed the "expert."

bhingham@wisc.edu

I asked:

"Would you also conclude that these same
lactoferrins and immunoglobulins in human
breast milk are useless because they too
are broken down?"

Making things up as she went along, she
wrote back to me:

Human hormones work for humans, but animal
hormones do not work in humans.

My response to that:

"This is awful news for women who take
Premarin, a pill containing estrogen
collected from PREgnant MARe uriNe."

I then asked, "What happens when the
bovine protein and the human protein
are identical?"

I did not hear back from Dr. Hingham, so
I tried calling her again the following
day. This time, we connected. I again
asked, "What if the hormones are identical?"

She said that was not possible. I
explained that IGF-I is the same
in humans and cows and that IGF-I
has been identified as the KEY factor
in the growth or human breast cancer
and human prostate cancer.

She is a lovely but ignorant lady. Dr.
Hingham could not answer any of my
questions. She explained:

"I do not have a background or understanding
of the endocrinology involved in the
absorption of milk hormones."

It is an outrage that another individual
authored her incorrect conclusion, which
was read by tens of thousands of dairy
farmers who will now argue that "enzymes
and hormones in milk are rapidly broken
down."

They are not.

Milk buffers gastric pH so that milk
protein hormones survive.

Milk was designed to be a hormonal delivery
system.

Man's science has improved upon nature's
design by homogenizing cow's milk and
creating micronized liposomes (fat molecules)
which envelop and "protect" proteins from
rapid breakdown.

Barbara's contact information:

http://foodsci.wisc.edu/faculty/inghamb/

As for Hoard's Dairyman, they display a
lack of journalistic integrity by not
taking responsibility for the errors
they print. Hoard's continually ignores
my letters of correction, although they
happily deposit my subscription checks.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com


#281 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:53 am
Subject: Salon Goes to Bat for Foie Gras
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The “progressive” online publication Salon features a letter lamenting the cruel and unfair persecution the Humane Society of the US is visiting upon the country’s largest foie gras producer. Disgusting that an online publication that is supposed to campaign for greater rights and compassion would lend their sympathies to this form of animal cruelty. Feel free to add your comments. Here is what I posted.

Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:42 PM
Poor, poor animal abusers

Though attempting to simulate objectivity, Rogers' anguish over the threat to the foie gras industry, which he sees unfairly maligned as "French," and his indifference to animal suffering is obvious. "[O]ne of the [Humane Society's] newer strategies is to bombard farmers it doesn't like –- like foie gras producers -- with lawsuits, and deluge them with legal bills." It brought a tear to my eye to realize that honest, hard-working animal abusers are being thus victimized. I sense that Mr. Rogers himself may dread the possible scarcity of a favorite treat. Perhaps he will be heartened to hear of a new delicacy from the orient that combines cruelty and haute cuisine, fish fried and eaten alive. No doubt there will soon be world tours, rather like sex tours, where connoisseurs may enjoy the most depraved of delicacies free of interference from those overly squeamish or excessively compassionate concerns that, increasingly, hamper adventurous dining in our own country.

Elsewhere Salon reviews the movie and book _The Road_, wherein a human baby is roasted on a spit by cannibals. For those to whom considerations of suffering are a silly nuisance when they interfere with their self-indulgence, this tale of a grim apocalypse may seem a delightful fantasy of new culinary horizons.

—JOHN MAYER    READ JOHN MAYER'S OTHER LETTERS



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#280 From: jchurch@...
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:02 am
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] A Whole Book on Vaccinations, Free for the reading
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Thanks, John, well written book. I skimmed the whole thing!

In my childhood many of these diseases were common and children my age
were damaged by them.

Janice Church




Quoting John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>:

>
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=111940773&CRID=nullCRnull&OFFID=readingroom_\
20091117bb
>
>
>
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> \f1\i \cf0 I\'d5ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in
>  passing along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against
>  all odds, you\'d5ve come through, and thanks for that.
> \f0\i0 \
> \
> Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a
> dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog
> at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The
> owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers
> that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got
> them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I
> am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
> \
> Background:
> \f1\i  I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female.
> The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become
> aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the
> problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown
> oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link
> fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they
> were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on
> foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered
> they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that
> I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t
>  home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the
> sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners
>  were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs
> under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners
> couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to
>  shoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a
>  full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything
> negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years
> ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at
> different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
> lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live,
> though the owner of the dog is now deceases.
> \f0\i0 \
> \
> So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly,
> in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the
> youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being
> hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF
> tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along
> with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one
> cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
> positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for
> example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both
>  be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
> \
> If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me
>  know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but,
> when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had
> killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got
> home. \
> \
> She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long
> way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a
> reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves
>  accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I
> posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with
> puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups
> were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for
> a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the
> puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this
>  fine, intelligent dog a home. \
> \
> I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email
> clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send
>  it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for
> her. \
> \
> I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must
> place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster
> I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The
> economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some
> people continue to breed their animals...\
> \
> Yours truly,\
> John Mayer}
>
>
>



"If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
body will control your lifestyle...the choice is yours!"
           Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died

#279 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:38 pm
Subject: A Whole Book on Vaccinations, Free for the reading
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20091117bb



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\f1\i \cf0 I\'d5ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing
along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you\'d5ve
come through, and thanks for that.
\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no
longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend
on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however,
in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time
I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now
I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i  I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog
is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the
dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of
God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up
my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized
they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot.
When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and
were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my
property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury
and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5
owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under
control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been
nicer and more understanding) were swearing to shoot my dogs on sight at the
first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they,
plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed.
Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and,
ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the
owner of the dog is now deceases.
\f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of
the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very
friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly
intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs
and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been
around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be
fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve
known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A
friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat
disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her.
The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as
my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she
will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get
there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an
hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups
were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to
breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to
any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are
set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request.
I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in
future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to
find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill
shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#278 From: "kemilmeyer" <kmeyer1423@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:00 pm
Subject: New Vegan Meetup Group
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Calling all vegans - there is a new group on meetup.com that has been organized
specifically for Knoxville-area vegans. Our intention is meet once a month, at a
restaurant or for a potluck, get to know each other, and share ideas and
resources.

The group website is at:

http://www.meetup.com/knoxvegans/

Our next meeting is a holiday potluck scheduled for 6pm on Sunday, Dec. 20.

Kevin Meyer

#277 From: rachel s swinney <chawchaw40@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Isn't Glowing Bowl Veg. Restaurant?
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Please order by November 18th.

And Don't forget about
our Thanksgiving orders!

The Glowing Bowl is creating a unique Thanksgiving Glow To Go box! In addition, ALL of the items can be purchased in bulk individually online or by calling or coming by the Glowing Body. Orders for the Thanksgiving box and bulk orders need to be received by midnight November 18th for pickup on November 24. Thanksgiving is November 26!

You do not need to order the Glow To Go box in order to buy individual holiday items in bulk!

Our holiday menu is:

  • Roasted Winter Squash & Apple Soup – 32oz.
  • French Lentil Soup with Balsamic Roasted Root Vegetables – 32oz.
  • Cranberry Sauce with Candied Ginger, Orange Zest & Red Wine – 32oz.
  • Roasted Yam & Green Grape Salad with Toasted Almonds & Dried Cranberries – 32oz.
  • Green Beans with Roasted Fennel & Shallots – 32oz.
  • Corn Fritter Casserole – 9″ x 13″ pan or 8 servings
  • Holiday Wild Rice Salad – 32oz.
  • Butternut Squash & Cheddar Bread Pudding – 9″x13″ pan or 6 large servings
  • Portobello Caps filled with Greens, Feta & Dill – 6 large caps
  • Spinach & Red Quinoa Pilaf with Chickpeas, Cherries & Almonds – 32oz.
  • Spiced Pecans – 16oz.
  • Lemon Bars – 1 dozen bars

The addition of any of these beautifully prepared dishes to your holidays will bring a glow to your table! The Roasted Winter Squash and Apple Soup or the French Lentil with Balsamic Roasted Vegetable Soup would make a lovely first course and ANY of the entrees would make wonderful vegetarian Thanksgiving main dishes.

The Spiced Pecans are terrific with pre-dinner cocktails; better yet, champagne and our Lemon Bars would be a perfect addition to your holiday pies. With so many holiday parties and potlucks, consider taking one of our fabulous sides – Tasty Cranberry Sauce, Corn Fritter Casserole or the Glowing Bowl’s most popular dish, Roasted Yam & Green Grape Salad!

Be sure and get your order in! We’re ready to cook for you!

Peace!
Hollis and Mollie at the Glowing Bowl

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#276 From: rachel s swinney <chawchaw40@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Isn't Glowing Bowl Veg. Restaurant?
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for Thanksgiving you can order more a la carte and not spend near that price.--Rachel
 
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:25:23 -0500 John Mayer <johnfmayer@...> writes:
 

Glowing Body is no longer a restaurant. What you are describing is a caterer. At $125 an order it’ll be a while before I enjoy any of their “take-out.” So, yes, Veg-O-Rama is, indeed, the only vegetarian restaurant in town (though one can, of course, order vegetarian items in many meat-oriented restaurants).

Yours truly,
John Mayer
§


On 11/12/09 1:16 PM, rachel s swinney wrote:

 

yes, I have wondered the same thing...I keep hearing Veg-O-Rama is the only veggie restaurant in town, but not true. I have been to both Glowing Bowl and to Veg-O-Rama.  Like them both very much.  Unfortunately...Glowing Bowl no longer serves food in the restaurant area (maybe smoothies) but you can get their boxed food by order and pick up once a week.  I haven't done that yet, but plan to try it near Thanksgiving.--Rachel Swinney
 
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:36:17 -0600 (CST) grimacr@k12tn.net writes:
 

>I haven't been there yet, but thought that it was. So, I thought we had
two vegetarian restaurants in town. Good luck with the new vegan group!

Bob Grimac

 



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

 


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#275 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Isn't Glowing Bowl Veg. Restaurant?
countbezukhov
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Glowing Body is no longer a restaurant. What you are describing is a caterer. At $125 an order it’ll be a while before I enjoy any of their “take-out.” So, yes, Veg-O-Rama is, indeed, the only vegetarian restaurant in town (though one can, of course, order vegetarian items in many meat-oriented restaurants).

Yours truly,
John Mayer
§


On 11/12/09 1:16 PM, rachel s swinney wrote:
 

yes, I have wondered the same thing...I keep hearing Veg-O-Rama is the only veggie restaurant in town, but not true. I have been to both Glowing Bowl and to Veg-O-Rama.  Like them both very much.  Unfortunately...Glowing Bowl no longer serves food in the restaurant area (maybe smoothies) but you can get their boxed food by order and pick up once a week.  I haven't done that yet, but plan to try it near Thanksgiving.--Rachel Swinney
 
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:36:17 -0600 (CST) grimacr@k12tn.net writes:
 

>I haven't been there yet, but thought that it was. So, I thought we had
two vegetarian restaurants in town. Good luck with the new vegan group!

Bob Grimac

 



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#274 From: Diane Bird <dianekbird@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:27 pm
Subject: Isn't Glowing Bowl Veg. Restaurant
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Café closed October 5th. They still do catering and "Glow-to-Go" box that
you can order a week ahead. Café area has coffee and a cooler for drinks.
Too bad. I may try the Glow-to-Go for Thanksgiving too.

Diane Bird

#273 From: rachel s swinney <chawchaw40@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Isn't Glowing Bowl Veg. Restaurant?
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yes, I have wondered the same thing...I keep hearing Veg-O-Rama is the only veggie restaurant in town, but not true. I have been to both Glowing Bowl and to Veg-O-Rama.  Like them both very much.  Unfortunately...Glowing Bowl no longer serves food in the restaurant area (maybe smoothies) but you can get their boxed food by order and pick up once a week.  I haven't done that yet, but plan to try it near Thanksgiving.--Rachel Swinney
 
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:36:17 -0600 (CST) grimacr@... writes:
 

>I haven't been there yet, but thought that it was. So, I thought we had
two vegetarian restaurants in town. Good luck with the new vegan group!

Bob Grimac

 


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#272 From: grimacr@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:36 pm
Subject: Isn't Glowing Bowl Veg. Restaurant?
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>I haven't been there yet, but thought that it was. So, I thought we had
two vegetarian restaurants in town. Good luck with the new vegan group!

Bob Grimac

#271 From: Jade Lin <jlin01@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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Hi John,
Have you contacted the East TN Pit Bull Rescue group?  I found a pit bull mix running on the side of I-40 & they helped me find a great home for him.  I already have 2 dogs & the older one requires 4 feedings a day via stomach tube, plus lots of care, so I can't handle another one right now.  She can also be aggressive towards other dogs.  If you're busy, I can contact the rescue group for you & send the picture of Sierra and your description of disposition, age, etc.  They can post it on other rescue sites as well.  Also, you can take her to pet store dog adoption days.  Let me know if you want me to contact the pit bull rescue for you.
Jade  


From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 9:21:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch

Dear Jade,

I got her (as a foster) when she was just barely grown, so I’m guessing she’s around four now. Fully housebroken, knows a few tricks, etc. I think she’d be okay with a sick dog of either gender; her personality conflict with the older female arose from the older female feeling her alpha status was threatened (or just grumpiness from the pains of old age). But I know she does well with male dogs and kids. So, anyone you know that could provide a home, I’d be grateful.

I'll do anything I can to make it easier on anyone who wants her: help build a fence, donate blood (I’ve already done that and need a recipient, actually), etc. I can also show how to put up a great run line that one of my dogs begs to be put on, nothing at all like the “Dogs Deserve Better” chain setup.

Thanks very much for contacting me!

Yours truly,

John Mayer


Sierra

On 11/10/09 6:52 PM, Jade Lin wrote:
 
Hi John,
How old is she?  Can you send me a picture?  I doubt if I can adopt her right now due to caring for a sick older dog, but I would like to help you find a nice home for her. 
Jade

From: John Mayer <mayer@hiredhand. org>
To: Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:36:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch

 

On 11/10/09 3:14 PM, essene_pilgrim@ bellsouth. net wrote:

 

Is that 'high noon' or 'low noon'?   :)


.

I guess that remains to be seen. JM :-)

My New Signature-- I’ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you've come through, and thanks for that.
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants) . I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more
understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more
understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}


#270 From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: UT Presentation
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Does anyone have any details on the UT presentation? Cindy can’t make
it, and I feel woefully unprepared, prevented from fully researching the
issue because of circumstances partially explained in my signature (and
other matters). But I’m going to cram tonight. Still not nearly enough
data on why free range animal agriculture won’t solve all our
meat-related problems, so still looking for info on that issue (thanks
for your contributionS in the past, Kathie, and anyone else I’ve
forgotten for the moment).

But, more to the point, I know nothing about the event. I understood it
was to be on the 14th, but I see that is a Saturday. Also, I have no
idea where I’m supposed to be, other than that it has to do with UT, so
is probably somewhere on their vast, sprawling complex which has
replaced rich farmland.

Details, please, from whomever arranged this initially.

Yours truly,

John Mayer

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\f1\i \cf0 I\'d5ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing
along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you\'d5ve
come through, and thanks for that.
\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no
longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend
on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however,
in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time
I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now
I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i  I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog
is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the
dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of
God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up
my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized
they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot.
When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and
were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my
property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury
and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5
owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under
control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been
nicer and more understanding) were swearing to shoot my dogs on sight at the
first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they,
plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed.
Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and,
ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which
lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the
owner of the dog is now deceases.
\f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of
the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very
friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly
intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs
and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been
around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot
positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be
fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve
known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A
friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat
disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her.
The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as
my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she
will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get
there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an
hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups
were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to
breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to
any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are
set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request.
I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in
future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to
find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill
shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#269 From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:21 am
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
mayer@...
Send Email Send Email
 
Dear Jade,

I got her (as a foster) when she was just barely grown, so I’m guessing she’s around four now. Fully housebroken, knows a few tricks, etc. I think she’d be okay with a sick dog of either gender; her personality conflict with the older female arose from the older female feeling her alpha status was threatened (or just grumpiness from the pains of old age). But I know she does well with male dogs and kids. So, anyone you know that could provide a home, I’d be grateful.

I'll do anything I can to make it easier on anyone who wants her: help build a fence, donate blood (I’ve already done that and need a recipient, actually), etc. I can also show how to put up a great run line that one of my dogs begs to be put on, nothing at all like the “Dogs Deserve Better” chain setup.

Thanks very much for contacting me!

Yours truly,

John Mayer


Sierra

On 11/10/09 6:52 PM, Jade Lin wrote:
 
Hi John,
How old is she?  Can you send me a picture?  I doubt if I can adopt her right now due to caring for a sick older dog, but I would like to help you find a nice home for her. 
Jade

From: John Mayer <mayer@hiredhand.org>
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:36:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch

 

On 11/10/09 3:14 PM, essene_pilgrim@ bellsouth. net wrote:

 

Is that 'high noon' or 'low noon'?   :)


.

I guess that remains to be seen. JM :-)

My New Signature-- I’ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you've come through, and thanks for that.
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants) . I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more
understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}



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\f0\i0 \
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#268 From: Jade Lin <jlin01@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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Hi John,
How old is she?  Can you send me a picture?  I doubt if I can adopt her right now due to caring for a sick older dog, but I would like to help you find a nice home for her. 
Jade

From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:36:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch

 

On 11/10/09 3:14 PM, essene_pilgrim@ bellsouth. net wrote:

 

Is that 'high noon' or 'low noon'?   :)


.

I guess that remains to be seen. JM :-)

My New Signature-- I’ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you've come through, and thanks for that.
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants) . I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more
understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}


#267 From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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On 11/10/09 3:14 PM, essene_pilgrim@... wrote:
 

Is that 'high noon' or 'low noon'?   :)


.

I guess that remains to be seen. JM :-)

My New Signature-- I’ve turned to many of you on a number of occasions in passing along pleas for help for one dog or another. Often, against all odds, you've come through, and thanks for that.
\
Now I, myself, am in urgent need of assistance in placing Sierra, a dog I can no longer keep. I originally took her in as a foster dog at the urging of a friend on behalf of the dog and her owner. The owner was extremely dilatory, however, in getting me the vet papers that should have helped in placing her. By the time I finally got them I had returned to school and just let that matter slide. Now I am forced to take action in a hurry.\'ca \
\
Background:
\f1\i I already had three other dogs, including an alpha female. The older dog is becoming arthritic and cranky and has become aggressive toward Sierra, the dog I\'d5m seeking to place. Now the problem is compounded by an \'d2act of God.\'d3 A huge, full-grown oak tree toppled over a few nights ago, raising up my chain link fence and allowing two of my dogs to run free. When I realized they were gone I set out looking for them, alternatively by car and on foot. When I returned from one of those expeditions I discovered they had returned and were harassing a neighbor\'d5s goats that I\'d5d allowed him to pasture on my property. The neighbor wasn\'d5t home, but the neighbors beyond were in a fury and had called the sheriff\'d5s department (they took no action as the goats\'d5 owners were not the complainants). I had no trouble getting the two dogs under control, but the angry neighbors (the goats\'d5 owners couldn\'d5t have been nicer and more understanding) were swearing to s
hoot my dogs on sight at the first opportunity. The older one is a full-blooded bully breed, and they, plainly, believed everything negative they\'d5d heard about the breed. Ironically, several years ago, I had two goats that were harassed and, ultimately, at different times, killed by packs of domestic dogs, one of which lived in the very house where the belligerant neighbors now live, though the owner of the dog is now deceases. \f0\i0 \
\
So I very desperately need to find a home for Sierra, and quickly, in spite of the fact that, in many ways, she is my best dog, the youngest of them, very friendly, playful, energetic without being hyper, good with kids, and highly intelligent. She teachers HERSELF tricks. She gets along fine with my male dogs and might get along with females that are not aggressive. She has only been around one cat, for a few days, and was not aggressive toward it, but I cannot positively say she is good with cats on that basis. She might, for example, be fine with a cat indoors but chase it if they should both be outdoors (I\'d5ve known that to happen]. She is in good health.\
\
If you can help me provide a really good home for her, please let me know. A friend took her for a few days, the one with the cat, but, when his cat disappeared he began to speculate that Sierra had killed it and returned her. The cat was at his house when he got home. \
\
She is in Knoxville, Tennessee, but I am willing to drive a long way, as far as my clunker will make it to place her, if there is a reasonable certainty she will, assuming my description of her proves accurate, be adopted when I get there (in response to a notice I posted in a spay/neuter clinic, I once drove an hour or so with puppies from a rescue, spay/neuter certificate in hand [the pups were too young to fix], only to discover the caller was looking for a female to breed! Needless to say, I returned with all the puppies). I am willing to go to any lengths in my power to find this fine, intelligent dog a home. \
\
I had thought to include a photo, but, since some servers and email clients are set to reject letters with attachments I\'d5ll just send it to you on request. I\'d5m working on setting up a web page for her. \
\
I\'d5ll add information about the male dog, that I now also must place, in future mailings. Sierra is my first priority; as a foster I\'d5ve been trying to find a home for her for a long time. The economy has flooded all no-kill shelters and agencies. Yet some people continue to breed their animals...\
\
Yours truly,\
John Mayer}

#266 From: "essene_pilgrim@..." <essene_pilgrim@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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Is that 'high noon' or 'low noon'?   :)

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, jchurch@... <jchurch@...> wrote:

From: jchurch@... <jchurch@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:02 PM

 


Thanks, John.

I missed seeing the word "noon" because I was scanning for a number,
like 12 or 1200. Preconceptions are a powerful thing.

Janice

Quoting John Mayer <mayer@hiredhand. org>:

> Yes, indeed. I've bolded and increased the font size in my original
> message quoted in your query. Thanks for helping to emphasize that.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Mayer
>
>
> On 11/10/09 7:14 AM, jchurch@libertyston e.com wrote:
>>
>> Is there a particular time?
>>
>> Quoting John Mayer <mayer@hiredhand. org <mailto:mayer% 40hiredhand. org>>:
>>
>>> The brand new Vegan group is getting together this Saturday to meet one
>>> another and to enjoy the culinary creations of the chefs of Knoxville?s
>>> ONLY vegetarian restaurant. *Noon at *Veg-O-Rama*
>> *> <http://veg-o- rama.com/ <http://veg-o- rama.com/>>. Plenty of
>> free parking on the street and
>>> behind the restaurant.
>>>
>>> I intend to make it, so see you there.
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> John Mayer
>>>
>>>
>>> http://veg-o- rama.com/ <http://veg-o- rama.com/>
>>
>> "If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
>> body will control your lifestyle... the choice is yours!"
>> Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died
>>
>>

"If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
body will control your lifestyle... the choice is yours!"
Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died

#265 From: jchurch@...
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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Thanks, John.

I missed seeing the word "noon" because I was scanning for a number,
like 12 or 1200. Preconceptions are a powerful thing.

Janice



Quoting John Mayer <mayer@...>:

> Yes, indeed. I've bolded and increased the font size in my original
> message quoted in your query. Thanks for helping to emphasize that.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Mayer
>
>
> On 11/10/09 7:14 AM, jchurch@... wrote:
>>
>> Is there a particular time?
>>
>> Quoting John Mayer <mayer@... <mailto:mayer%40hiredhand.org>>:
>>
>>> The brand new Vegan group is getting together this Saturday to meet one
>>> another and to enjoy the culinary creations of the chefs of Knoxville?s
>>> ONLY vegetarian restaurant. *Noon at *Veg-O-Rama*
>> *> <http://veg-o-rama.com/ <http://veg-o-rama.com/>>. Plenty of
>> free parking on the street and
>>> behind the restaurant.
>>>
>>> I intend to make it, so see you there.
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> John Mayer
>>>
>>>
>>> http://veg-o-rama.com/ <http://veg-o-rama.com/>
>>
>> "If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
>> body will control your lifestyle...the choice is yours!"
>> Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died
>>
>>



"If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
body will control your lifestyle...the choice is yours!"
           Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died

#264 From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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Yes, indeed. I’ve bolded and increased the font size in my original message quoted in your query. Thanks for helping to emphasize that.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


On 11/10/09 7:14 AM, jchurch@... wrote:
 

Is there a particular time?

Quoting John Mayer <mayer@hiredhand.org>:

> The brand new Vegan group is getting together this Saturday to meet one
> another and to enjoy the culinary creations of the chefs of Knoxville?s
> ONLY vegetarian restaurant. Noon at *Veg-O-Rama*
> <http://veg-o-rama.com/>. Plenty of free parking on the street and
> behind the restaurant.
>
> I intend to make it, so see you there.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Mayer
>
>
> http://veg-o-rama.com/

"If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
body will control your lifestyle...the choice is yours!"
Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died



#263 From: jchurch@...
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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Is there a particular time?



Quoting John Mayer <mayer@...>:

> The brand new Vegan group is getting together this Saturday to meet one
> another and to enjoy the culinary creations of the chefs of Knoxville?s
> ONLY vegetarian restaurant. Noon at *Veg-O-Rama*
> <http://veg-o-rama.com/>. Plenty of free parking on the street and
> behind the restaurant.
>
> I intend to make it, so see you there.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Mayer
>
>
> http://veg-o-rama.com/



"If your lifestyle does not control your body, eventually your
body will control your lifestyle...the choice is yours!"
           Ern Baxter, Author, I Almost Died

#262 From: John Mayer <mayer@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:03 am
Subject: New Vegan Group Getting Together for Introductions and Lunch
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The brand new Vegan group is getting together this Saturday to meet one another and to enjoy the culinary creations of the chefs of Knoxville’s ONLY vegetarian restaurant. Noon at Veg-O-Rama. Plenty of free parking on the street and behind the restaurant.

I intend to make it, so see you there.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


http://veg-o-rama.com/   

#261 From: "Viveca Park" <vivecapark@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:30 pm
Subject: Website updates
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Hi!
 
I hope you are all doing well. 
 
I have made a couple updates to the website.  First of all, I added the information regarding nominations for the
Michelle Pfeffer Vegetarian Advocacy Award.
 
Secondly, I added some more vegetarian quotes.  Please feel free to send me any of your favorite vegetarian quotes, if you don't see them on the webpage already.
 
Third, I need to get information regarding the date of the Thanksgiving Feast and any information that needs to be on the website.  The time is approaching, quickly and people will be clicking on the website to get the details.
 
Also, I'll post the information about December's potluck speaker, etc., once I get it from Faye.
 
 
 
I have a raw food blog, if anyone wants to see how I'm doing with my raw, vegan lifestyle.  I'm also on Facebook, if you want to request to be my friend.  (got lots of pictures there)  You can follow me on Twitter, too.  Yes, I'm one of those internet junkies.  http://vivecasrawjourney.blogspot.com/
 
That is about all for now!  I would love to hear from you to see what you've been up to.  Can you believe that it has been almost 2 years since I moved away!!!
 
Blessings,
 
Viveca
 
Happiness is when what you think, what you say,
and what you do are in harmony. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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