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Thanks, John.

I won't make next month, but will be
back in a few months. We are slowly moving from
MD to TN over several months.

Thanks for responding.
Janice



Quoting John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>:

>
>
>   Just show up with a dish (vegan or vegetarian) and two or three
> dollars (depending on whether you are a member) to help cover rental
> fees for the facilities and introduce yourself. Everyone will be glad
> to meet you. No need to make arrangements as to dishes; somehow it
> always works out.
>  Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to make it - volunteering
> for a public event with Remote Area Medical (founded and overseen by
> vegetarian and former nature TV personality Stan Brock) - but I look
> forward to meeting you next month.
>  Yours truly,
>  John Mayer
>
>  At 4:22 PM -0600 1/31/09, jchurch@... wrote: I will try
> to attend my first pot luck tmrw night.
>
> Do I need to let anyone know I may attend or
> just show up with a vegan dish?
> Thanks,
> Janice
>
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I will try to attend my first pot luck tmrw night.

Do I need to let anyone know I may attend or
just show up with a vegan dish?
Thanks,
Janice

Quoting Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com:

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> 6:00 pm - 8:00 pm
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I will try to attend my first pot luck tmrw night.

Do I need to let anyone know I may attend or
just show up with a vegan dish?
Thanks,
Janice

Quoting Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com:

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Hi Friends

We are starting a vegetarian dinner exchange club in northeast
Knoxville (north hills, 4th and gill area).  The idea is you make a
vegi meal one night during the week and deliver it to 4 families and
the other 4 nights you get a meal delivered to you!  it's fine if you
just want to try it out.  We are in the organizing stages and need a
few more families.  E-mail dariagere@...

John & others,

I agree with you on Vegan Outreach - think I have told you this before.   "They" frustrate me, too - because the benefits of a HEALTHY vegetarian/vegan diet are well established.   I believe that some of us may continue to have some health problems or even develop health problems because of eating the Standard American Diet for most of our lives before changing to a much more healthy way of eating - but this is the result of an unhealthy lifestyle for many years.   I also do NOT like that their pamphlets really push the "fake meats" because they are not "health food" but once again heavily processed food - usually.   But, they are appealing to the college masses, etc. and believe this is the way to help them transition.

I have leafleted for them in the past, and plan on distributing the hundreds of VO leaflets that I currently have - but am going to also distribute leaflets from other groups who are much more positive about veganism and the many great reasons for adopting a vegan diet & lifestyle (as much as possible in this cruel world).

GO VEGAN - HELP SAVE Animals, Humans, the Starving, & the Earth Every Day!

Your fiend  -  oops  -  friend!     Kathie

"My canine companions give me great joy & peace."  ME   Member of:  Untied Dyslexic Church of Dog

"I will go further and assert that nature without culture can often do more to deserve praise than culture without nature."  Cicero

"Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity."  George Bernard Shaw, preface to Killing for Sport

"If the structure of the human mind remains unchanged, we will always end up recreating the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction." Eckhart Tolle

Quote:  "These dairymen are organized.  They're adamant, they're militantŠThey're massing an enormous amount of money that they're going to put into political activities."  John Connally to President Nixon, The Watergate Tapes

www.tribeofheart.org      www.humanemyth.org      www.alv.org.au/index.php           www.madcowboy.com

www.abolitionistapproach.com       www.abolitionistanimalrights.blogspot.com/       www.rpaforall.org

www.peacefulprairie.org             www.friendsofanimals.org                          www.navs-online.org

www.drmcdougall.com                     www.vegsource.com/harris/                        www.pcrm.org

www.heartattackproof.com          www.overdosedamerica.com                        www.drgreger.org

PODCASTS/   www.veganfreakradio.com          www.compassionatecooks.com        www.animalvoices.ca

   RADIO/    http://veganworldradio.org/vegan_world_radio-archives.php            www.ktep.org/program_detail.sstg?id=103

ART/TEES:       www.snootyjewelry.com  www.artlifecafe.com      www.cafepress.com/bizarroanimals

From: John Mayer [mailto:mayer@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:04 AM
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com; jainway@...
Cc: Liev Aleo Black; Linda Capps; Sarah Doyi; Goldy; Kathie; P Adams; linda pod; David Schaefer; Clifford Terry; Vancar25@...; Vegan.Mania@...; laurabroderick@...; vivecapark@...; Guy Wilson
Subject: Re: Bruce's Observations

You have no need to apologize for your zeal. There is a broad spectrum of vegetarian attitudes, levels of commitment and philosophy. We didn't all arrive by the same route. Some were fortunate enough to be born into vegetarian or vegan families, others figured things out all on their own, with very little support from anyone else, as it sounds like you might have done. We're not all going to agree on every particular. I, for example, am frustrated to some degree by Vegan Outreach. That group has been astonishingly effective at spreading the word and it is widely admired among vegans, but, to my view, they surrender ground needlessly by saying, basically, that there are no health benefits to veganism and that we simply need to turn to veganism out of basic goodness. That may work for some, but most who try vegetarianism, according to studies, first consider it for health reasons. Health benefits from a vegan diet are well established, regardless of Matt Ball's views, and I fear harmful misimpressions are being spread far and wide along with their calls for embracing the better angels of our nature. But I still must give them credit for their hard work.

There are far too few of us - so far - for us to be tearing at one another, though there is a constant tendency for those who have seen the light to repudiate those who are less pure. I think we should embrace even those who have only begun to consider cutting back on meat, whatever is motivating them to do so. Some of us may not all agree with you on every point - my experience tells me that is almost guaranteed - but I, for one, admire your enthusiasm.

Yours truly,

John Mayer

PS  Unfortunately, I was not able to view your attachment. I'd never heard of an Adobe Proof Settings File before, and I thought I was prepared to open any image format. It wasn't a regular Photoshop file, it wasn't Acrobat, nor Illustrator nor InDesign. Even DeBabelizer couldn't crack it. Looks like it's some sort of color proofing file for Photoshop, but CS3 and CS4 said it wasn't compatible.

Might I suggest some more universal format such as Adobe Acrobat .pdf? Also, on a broader, not really related topic, all should bear in mind that not everyone uses the same OS and, also, many have not shelled out hundreds of dollars for Microsoft Office.

At 6:57 PM -0800 1/10/09, Guy Wilson wrote:

Don't worry.  Your heart is in the right place and that's wort everything.  I apologize for my stupid rant.

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Bruce Costain <jainway@...> wrote:

From: Bruce Costain <jainway@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@...>, vivecapark@...
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 6:32 PM

Dear Inspiring Colleagues,

Let me apologize to Viveca for the harsh tone of my email.  I reacted to quickly.  Although there are vegetarians here in Nashville I know of none.  I guess I rely, at this point, on the Vegetarian Society of East Tennessee to be my refuge, via your website and regular email notices.  Appreciation to Guy for outlining the complexity of the world in which we function while trying to avoid harming other creatures.  It is not possible to do.  That would be another reason why I receive comfort and inspiration from your vegetarian society and its activities. 

As an indication of how the Vegetarian Society of East Tennessee is an inspiration for me, please check out the attachment.  They will start to be put up this week.

Best wishes for 2009.  My membership renewal is in the mail.

Bruce




On 1/10/09 3:26 PM, "Guy Wilson" <tnvegan@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true.  Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information- based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!  

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@ mindspring. com>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.

I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.

Viveca
webmaster

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Costain <mailto:jainway@ comcast.net>  
To: Laura Broderick <mailto:laurabroderi ck@mindspring. com>  ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Vegetarian_ Society_of_ East_TN@yahoogro ups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN

.
 

 
 
   

 

 

                                                             

 

You have no need to apologize for your zeal. There is a broad spectrum of vegetarian attitudes, levels of commitment and philosophy. We didn't all arrive by the same route. Some were fortunate enough to be born into vegetarian or vegan families, others figured things out all on their own, with very little support from anyone else, as it sounds like you might have done. We're not all going to agree on every particular. I, for example, am frustrated to some degree by Vegan Outreach. That group has been astonishingly effective at spreading the word and it is widely admired among vegans, but, to my view, they surrender ground needlessly by saying, basically, that there are no health benefits to veganism and that we simply need to turn to veganism out of basic goodness. That may work for some, but most who try vegetarianism, according to studies, first consider it for health reasons. Health benefits from a vegan diet are well established, regardless of Matt Ball's views, and I fear harmful misimpressions are being spread far and wide along with their calls for embracing the better angels of our nature. But I still must give them credit for their hard work.

There are far too few of us - so far - for us to be tearing at one another, though there is a constant tendency for those who have seen the light to repudiate those who are less pure. I think we should embrace even those who have only begun to consider cutting back on meat, whatever is motivating them to do so. Some of us may not all agree with you on every point - my experience tells me that is almost guaranteed - but I, for one, admire your enthusiasm.

Yours truly,

John Mayer

PS  Unfortunately, I was not able to view your attachment. I'd never heard of an Adobe Proof Settings File before, and I thought I was prepared to open any image format. It wasn't a regular Photoshop file, it wasn't Acrobat, nor Illustrator nor InDesign. Even DeBabelizer couldn't crack it. Looks like it's some sort of color proofing file for Photoshop, but CS3 and CS4 said it wasn't compatible.

Might I suggest some more universal format such as Adobe Acrobat .pdf? Also, on a broader, not really related topic, all should bear in mind that not everyone uses the same OS and, also, many have not shelled out hundreds of dollars for Microsoft Office.


At 6:57 PM -0800 1/10/09, Guy Wilson wrote:

Don't worry.  Your heart is in the right place and that's wort everything.  I apologize for my stupid rant.

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Bruce Costain <jainway@...> wrote:

From: Bruce Costain <jainway@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@...>, vivecapark@...
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 6:32 PM
Dear Inspiring Colleagues,

Let me apologize to Viveca for the harsh tone of my email.  I reacted to quickly.  Although there are vegetarians here in Nashville I know of none.  I guess I rely, at this point, on the Vegetarian Society of East Tennessee to be my refuge, via your website and regular email notices.  Appreciation to Guy for outlining the complexity of the world in which we function while trying to avoid harming other creatures.  It is not possible to do.  That would be another reason why I receive comfort and inspiration from your vegetarian society and its activities.  
As an indication of how the Vegetarian Society of East Tennessee is an inspiration for me, please check out the attachment.  They will start to be put up this week.

Best wishes for 2009.  My membership renewal is in the mail.

Bruce




On 1/10/09 3:26 PM, "Guy Wilson" <tnvegan@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true.  Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information- based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!  

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@ mindspring. com>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.

I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.

Viveca
webmaster

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Costain <mailto:jainway@ comcast.net> <mailto:jainway@...>   
To: Laura Broderick <mailto:laurabroderi ck@mindspring. com> <mailto:laurabroderick@...>   ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Vegetarian_ Society_of_ East_TN@yahoogro ups.com> <mailto:Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN


.
 

 
 
    

                                                      

 
    

Well written, and interesting too, and I'm out of gas on this one.  I apologized to Bruce too.  Good point that my rant is full of assumptions some of which may be incorrect and I agree that any positive step is positive.  You pointed out statistics on slavery that are more troubling than I knew.  I have not sold too many folks on vegetarianism over the past 20 years, although I think I may have reduced consumption of meat a tiny bit distributing recipes and giving cooking demonstrations and providing vegetarian alternatives at a few events, but based on my miserable success story, I could not hope to affect the growth of human slavery as we globalize and export all undesirable manufacturing tasks to slaves in places free of pollution regulations.  Nevertheless, the product source really is something to consider as we consume consume consume, although it is frequently obfuscated.  I like to beat up Wal Mart because they import a large fraction of their inventory from companies using Chinese child labor, but that is probably unfair to pick on them too because many products from many retailers now come from those same sources.  I apologize to all, and especially to Wal Mart. 

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, John Mayer <johnfmayer@...> wrote:

From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th: Lightening Up
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com, "Liev Aleo Black" <liev.black@...>, "Linda Capps" <lcapps@...>, "Sarah Doyi" <hendrixmom1997@...>, "Goldy" <cindygoldenhair@...>, "Kathie" <vegananimal@...>, "P Adams" <happycat7@...>, "linda pod" <smores9999@...>, "David Schaefer" <po1ds@...>, "Clifford Terry" <ttjcterry@...>, Vancar25@..., Vegan.Mania@...
Cc: laurabroderick@..., vivecapark@..., "Guy Wilson" <tnvegan@...>
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:07 PM

Cannibalism is a good analogy for meat-eating. According to paleontologist Steven Jay Gould, early British explorers in Africa once captured a Hotentot woman (writing from memory here). Hotentot women have a distinctive racial feature: a significant amount of adipose tissue on the buttocks of the females (enough to set them apart, apparently, from merely obese women). Because this made their captive distinct from women they knew, and because the captive only spoke gibberish (that is, not English), they cooked and ate her as bush meat. (Atypically for me I haven't verified this incident; I only remember it from one of Gould's books.) Their criteria for meat was: not like us.

The Aztecs were less picky; they enjoyed the taste of human flesh. It was not, as is often assumed, merely a matter of religious ritual; they had written recipes on the cooking of such dishes as Human Flesh with Lima Beans. Of course, if we speak of superior and inferior proteins - plant proteins often pronounced inferior because animal proteins are more "available" - then human protein is the best of all and the easiest to digest. But readers of the China Study know that it is, in fact the availability of animal protein, that is, its similarity to our own, that makes it so dangerous to us.

I'm not sure how much of an impact it makes on animal agriculture to select vegetarian items from menus with meat in a restaurant that advertises "Vegetarian Entrées and Daily Carnivore Specials." I somehow doubt their meat orders are affected at all (until there are lots more of us). I would like to see us have as many events as possible at purely vegetarian restaurants. Happily, there is one in Knoxville now, The Glowing Body, with, reportedly, another on the way. And they need our business.

As to your comment "they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus," you don't know anything about what products I buy or how greedy I am. I haven't shopped at Walmart in years - I suspect that's true of many or most on this list, but I don't know, either - and am really not much of a consumer of manufactured products. And I don't see any reason we shouldn't "flare up" (your words) about restaurant menus; gradually changing those menus is a big part of the purpose of vegetarian organizations. And, to that extent, I think we've been successful.

Yes, slavery goes on; there are, in fact, more slaves in the world than ever before, maybe as many as 27,000,000, a disgrace to humanity. But I don't know what that has to do with vegetarianism. If someone comes here from Nashville to join us it would be because they feel the need to associate with people who have gained important insights into the critical place of our diet in a compassionate and sustainable world. The "unfortunate reality under [our] nose" is that meat production contributes more to global warming than does transportation in all its forms. We are rapidly moving toward a world where many of those "monkey-eating" children won't be able to survive at all. I think that's worth flaring up about.

Yours truly,

John Mayer

At 1:26 PM -0800 1/10/09, Guy Wilson wrote:

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true.  Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information- based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@ mindspring. com>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.

 

I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.

 

Viveca

webmaster

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Costain

To: Laura Broderick ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM

Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN

.

                                                            

Don't worry.  Your heart is in the right place and that's wort everything.  I apologize for my stupid rant.

--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Bruce Costain <jainway@...> wrote:

From: Bruce Costain <jainway@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@...>, vivecapark@...
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 6:32 PM

Dear Inspiring Colleagues,

Let me apologize to Viveca for the harsh tone of my email.  I reacted to quickly.  Although there are vegetarians here in Nashville I know of none.  I guess I rely, at this point, on the Vegetarian Society of East Tennessee to be my refuge, via your website and regular email notices.  Appreciation to Guy for outlining the complexity of the world in which we function while trying to avoid harming other creatures.  It is not possible to do.  That would be another reason why I receive comfort and inspiration from your vegetarian society and its activities.  

As an indication of how the Vegetarian Society of East Tennessee is an inspiration for me, please check out the attachment.  They will start to be put up this week.

Best wishes for 2009.  My membership renewal is in the mail.

Bruce




On 1/10/09 3:26 PM, "Guy Wilson" <tnvegan@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true.  Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information- based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!  

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@ mindspring. com>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.

I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.

Viveca
webmaster

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Costain <mailto:jainway@ comcast.net>  
To: Laura Broderick <mailto:laurabroderi ck@mindspring. com>  ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Vegetarian_ Society_of_ East_TN@yahoogro ups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN

.
 

 
 
    

 

Cannibalism is a good analogy for meat-eating. According to paleontologist Steven Jay Gould, early British explorers in Africa once captured a Hotentot woman (writing from memory here). Hotentot women have a distinctive racial feature: a significant amount of adipose tissue on the buttocks of the females (enough to set them apart, apparently, from merely obese women). Because this made their captive distinct from women they knew, and because the captive only spoke gibberish (that is, not English), they cooked and ate her as bush meat. (Atypically for me I haven't verified this incident; I only remember it from one of Gould's books.) Their criteria for meat was: not like us.

The Aztecs were less picky; they enjoyed the taste of human flesh. It was not, as is often assumed, merely a matter of religious ritual; they had written recipes on the cooking of such dishes as Human Flesh with Lima Beans. Of course, if we speak of superior and inferior proteins - plant proteins often pronounced inferior because animal proteins are more "available" - then human protein is the best of all and the easiest to digest. But readers of the China Study know that it is, in fact the availability of animal protein, that is, its similarity to our own, that makes it so dangerous to us.

I'm not sure how much of an impact it makes on animal agriculture to select vegetarian items from menus with meat in a restaurant that advertises "Vegetarian Entrées and Daily Carnivore Specials." I somehow doubt their meat orders are affected at all (until there are lots more of us). I would like to see us have as many events as possible at purely vegetarian restaurants. Happily, there is one in Knoxville now, The Glowing Body, with, reportedly, another on the way. And they need our business.

As to your comment "they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus," you don't know anything about what products I buy or how greedy I am. I haven't shopped at Walmart in years - I suspect that's true of many or most on this list, but I don't know, either - and am really not much of a consumer of manufactured products. And I don't see any reason we shouldn't "flare up" (your words) about restaurant menus; gradually changing those menus is a big part of the purpose of vegetarian organizations. And, to that extent, I think we've been successful.
Yes, slavery goes on; there are, in fact, more slaves in the world than ever before, maybe as many as 27,000,000, a disgrace to humanity. But I don't know what that has to do with vegetarianism. If someone comes here from Nashville to join us it would be because they feel the need to associate with people who have gained important insights into the critical place of our diet in a compassionate and sustainable world. The "unfortunate reality under [our] nose" is that meat production contributes more to global warming than does transportation in all its forms. We are rapidly moving toward a world where many of those "monkey-eating" children won't be able to survive at all. I think that's worth flaring up about.

Yours truly,

John Mayer


At 1:26 PM -0800 1/10/09, Guy Wilson wrote:

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true. Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information-based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@...> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@...>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM
Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.
 
I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.
 
Viveca
webmaster
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Costain <mailto:jainway@...>
To: Laura Broderick <mailto:laurabroderick@...>  ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN
.

                                                      

 
    

 

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true.  Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information-based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!  

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@...> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@...>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.

I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.

Viveca
webmaster

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Costain <mailto:jainway@...>  
To: Laura Broderick <mailto:laurabroderick@...>  ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN


.
 

 
 
    

Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response.  Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that?  Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary."  Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries."  Let's assume that's really true.  Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus.  We are a non-manufacturing information-based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress.  Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny!    Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose.  Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA?  As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life! 

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@...> wrote:

From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@...>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@...>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM

Sorry about that.  I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website.  It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social.  I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.

 

I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.

 

Viveca

webmaster

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Costain

To: Laura Broderick ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM

Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN

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----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Costain

To: Laura Broderick ; Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM

Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th

Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,

Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh?   I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't  understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.

Am I missing something here?

Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN

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We hope that you come to this month's VSET social.


Wednesday, Jan 14th at 6 pm

Barley's Taproom
Downtown Knoxville (Old City)
200 E. Jackson Ave.
Knoxville, TN 37915
(865) 521-0092

They have a small parking lot and some street parking.

If you can email back a RSVP, please do!



Their menu is below. They serve veg/vegan sandwiches, pizza with soy cheese (and choice of several veg toppings), spinach salad, black bean hummus and more.



Appetizers

CON QUESO

Topped with diced tomato and jalapeno with crisp tortilla chips.
 7.95

BLACK BEAN HUMMUS

A puree of black beans with spices, served with toasted pita points.
 5.95

MUCHOS NACHOS

Crisp corn chips smothered with homemade chili and cheddar cheese. Topped with jalapenos and served with a side of salsa.
 7.95

ONION RINGS

Extra thick and crispy, dipped in beer batter.
 5.95

MOZZARELLA STICKS

Served steaming hot with homemade pizza sauce.
 5.95

GARLIC CHEESE BREAD

Served with a side of homemade pizza sauce.
 4.95

BUFFALO FINGERS

With ranch dressing - order them rubbed, mild, or hot.
 7.95

CHILI CHEESE FRIES
3.95

CHIPS & SALSA

House made chips served with fresh salsa.
 2.95

SOUP OF THE MOMENT
 

cup
2.95

bowl
4.95

FIREHOUSE CHILI

Topped with cheddar cheese.
  

cup
2.95

bowl
4.95


Salads
Dressings: Classic Vinaigrette (House) - Hidden Valley Ranch - Balsamic Vinaigrette - Blue Cheese - Honey Mustard - Creamy Feta - Fat Free Raspberry Vinaigrette

HOUSE SALAD

Mixed greens with diced tomato, cucumbers and red onion.
 3.95

SPINACH SALAD

Mushrooms, tomatoes, olives, green peppers and onion.
 4.95

GRILLED CHICKEN SALAD

Mixed greens, tomato, red onions, feta cheese and black olives (best with our classic vinaigrette).
 7.95

TORTILLA CHICKEN SALAD

Crisp tortilla chips, shredded lettuce, cheddar cheese, sliced grilled chicken and diced tomato.
 7.95



Sandwiches
With choice of one side.
Sides: Fries - Tortilla Chips - Homestyle Chips - Onion Rings - Seasoned Rice - Cup-o- Day - Cup of Chili

BLACK ANGUS BURGER

(8 oz.) Topped with your choice of cheddar, Swiss or mozzarella on a toasted bun.
 6.95

SUNSPOT BURGER

Sunspot`s original homemade veggie burger topped with black bean hummus, lettuce, onion and tomato.
 6.95

JERK CHICKEN SANDWICH

(10 oz.) Breast of chicken, served within lettuce, tomato, onion on a toasted bun.
 7.95

GRILLED CHICKEN SANDWICH

(10 oz.) Lightly seasoned plain chicken breast, topped with lettuce, tomato and onion, served on a toasted bun.
 7.95

CAJUN CHICKEN SANDWICH

Same as above with an extra spicy kick.
 7.95

TOFU SANDWICH

With lettuce, tomato and onion on a toasted bun.
 7.95


Pub Dawgs
Served with Homestyle Chips.

PUB DAWG

Quarter pounder beer boiled brat, mustard, kraut, diced onion.
 5.95

BALL PARK DOG

All beef frank, homemade chili, cheddar cheese and red onion.
 5.95


Tortilla Wraps
Includes 1 side item.

SOUTHWEST CHICKEN WRAP

Grilled chicken, rice, black beans, tomato, lettuce, salsa and cheddar cheese.
 6.95

FIRECRACKER WRAP

Spicy fried chicken tender, rice, chunky blue cheese, lettuce, tomato & shredded carrots (available with Tofu).
 6.95

VEGGIE WRAP

Sauteed vegetable medley, glazed with teriyaki sauce, rice and mozzarella cheese.
 6.95


Pizzas
Each of our pizzas and calzones are made to order. When ordering, please allow 20 minutes.
*Gourmet toppings count as two toppings.
Pricing: Small...Medium...Large

BASIC CHEESE

Herbed tomato sauce, mozzarella cheese.
 5.95...10.95...12.95

BIG DADDY

Pepperoni, Italian sausage, ham and beef.
 11.95...14.95...17.95

BARLEY`S ALL AMERICAN

Pepperoni, Italian sausage, onions, mushrooms, green peppers.
 11.95...14.95...17.95

HAWAIIAN

Ham, Pineapple, Feta Cheese.
 8.95...12.95...15.95

CARIBEAN

Oil olive glaze with mozzarella, jerk chicken, spinach, artichoke hearts and onion (no sauce).
 11.95...14.95...17.95

FABIO ITALIAN SASUAGE

Tomato, mushroom, artichoke, black olives.
 10.95...14.95...17.95

VEGETARIAN

Spinach, mushroom, onion, broccoli and fresh tomatoes.
 11.95...14.95...17.95

GREEK

Spinach, onions, black olive, feta and sun dried tomatoes.
 11.95...14.95...17.95

WHITE PIE

No sauce, with ricotta cheese.
 6.95...9.95...13.00

PESTO

No sauce, with fresh pesto.
 9.95...12.95...15.95

SOY CHEESE

A lacto-alternative.
 6.45...9.45...12.95

TOPPINGS

Jalapenos - Garlic - Green Olives - Ham - Anchovies - Tofu - Pineapple - Pepperoni - Red Onions - Fresh Tomato - Spinach - Italian Sausage - Cheddar - Ground Beef - Bell Pepper - Mushrooms - Black Olives - Onion - Broccoli - Banana Peppers - Black Beans - Pesto* - Feta Cheese* - Sun-Dried Tomatoes* - Artichoke Hearts* - Roasted Red Peppers*
 .98...1.60...1.98

Calzones
Each of our pizzas and calzones are made to order. When ordering, please allow 20 minutes.
*Gourmet toppings count as 2 toppings.

INCLUDES ANY TWO ITEMS FROM THE TOPPINGS

Ricotta cheese, mozzarella and herb, wrapped in dough and baked golden brown, served with pizza sauce.
Extra toppings .95 each.
7.95
 

Lunch

PIZZA BY THE SLICE

Available daily til 4:00 p.m. Basic Cheese.
Additional toppings .60 each.
2.25
 
COMBO

Choice of soft drink and any two of the following: Side salad, one topping slice of pizza, or bowl of soup
 5.95


Beverages

CLASSIC COKE - DIET COKE - DR. PEPPER - BARQ`S ROOT BEER - MELLOW YELLO - MINUTEMAID LEMONADE - SPRITE - ICED TEA - COFFEE - HOT TEA
1.95


*Menu items and prices subject to change.