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Hey, I'm right with you on Walmart. They are despicable in so
many ways that I think a thinking, feeling person has to take a stand
against them. Target may be bad, too, but they've not been found
guilty of so many different affronts against humanity, so I think
they're better. Whether they're ENOUGH better to actually justify
shopping there I can't be sure, but, as of now, if not, I don't
know any better. Anyhow, they're not getting rich off me, either. I
buy a few things there such as soy milk which is 60 ¢ less than the
usual price at the grocery store.
One of the few things we can do is buy local. There are more
farmer's markets, now (though nothing, yet, to compare to the one
the City of Knoxville is REQUIRED to maintain on Mkt. Square by
stipulations in the will of the Swans and some other family that left
it to the city under that condition. Nor like the Farmer's Mkt on
Washington Pike that Knox County seemed bound and determined to drive
under. Why would they do such a thing? Well, there's a strip mall
there, now. Including a Target. No doubt somebody profited handsomely,
but it doesn't seem to have been the people of Knox County. That
started out to be a great little farmer's market with lots of unique
- and LOCAL - vendors there. Whew! That was a close one!
Might I suggest that part of buying local is getting things
repaired when they break down. Instead of tossing your dryer when an
element goes out or a roller starts thumping, consider taking it to a
local appliance repair place. Some of them also sell pre-used
appliances they've reconditioned, if you can bear the thought of a
used appliance in your home; you might find it simpler just to trade
it in. Either way, the money goes to a local tradesman and stays in
the community. And you don't have to worry about it contaminating
your clothes with lead.
I don't know how to bring people around, but I HAVE seen people
change their mind. One here, one there; before you know it most of
your friends are vegetarian, too. I've found it helps to set a good
example, and, when someone comments on how healthy you are, say,
"Oh, yes, well... I'm a vegetarian." It is possible to get people
to consider it, even though in doing so they must repudiate the eating
habits of a lifetime and even, in a way, question their mother's
wisdom and goodness.
Don't despair yet. People's habits do change. Look at
breakfasts, once commonly ham and sausage and bacon and scrapple with
eggs and buttered toast. Now there is an entire aisle of breakfast
cereal in your grocery store, the result of lots of hard work and
evangelizing - and profit-making! - by vegetarians like Dr.
Kellogg.
~ John Mayer
At 7:24 PM -0800 1/10/09, Guy Wilson wrote:
Well written, and interesting too, and I'm out of gas on this one. I apologized to Bruce too. Good point that my rant is full of assumptions some of which may be incorrect and I agree that any positive step is positive. You pointed out statistics on slavery that are more troubling than I knew. I have not sold too many folks on vegetarianism over the past 20 years, although I think I may have reduced consumption of meat a tiny bit distributing recipes and giving cooking demonstrations and providing vegetarian alternatives at a few events, but based on my miserable success story, I could not hope to affect the growth of human slavery as we globalize and export all undesirable manufacturing tasks to slaves in places free of pollution regulations. Nevertheless, the product source really is something to consider as we consume consume consume, although it is frequently obfuscated. I like to beat up Wal Mart because they import a large fraction of their inventory from companies using Chinese child labor, but that is probably unfair to pick on them too because many products from many retailers now come from those same sources. I apologize to all, and especially to Wal Mart.
--- On Sat, 1/10/09, John Mayer <johnfmayer@...> wrote:
From: John Mayer <johnfmayer@...>
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th: Lightening Up
To: Vegetarian_Society_of_East_TN@yahoogroups.com, "Liev Aleo Black" <liev.black@...>, "Linda Capps" <lcapps@...>, "Sarah Doyi" <hendrixmom1997@...>, "Goldy" <cindygoldenhair@...>, "Kathie" <vegananimal@...>, "P Adams" <happycat7@...>, "linda pod" <smores9999@...>, "David Schaefer" <po1ds@...>, "Clifford Terry" <ttjcterry@...>, Vancar25@..., Vegan.Mania@...
Cc: laurabroderick@..., vivecapark@..., "Guy Wilson" <tnvegan@...>
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:07 PM
Cannibalism is a good analogy for meat-eating. According to paleontologist Steven Jay Gould, early British explorers in Africa once captured a Hotentot woman (writing from memory here). Hotentot women have a distinctive racial feature: a significant amount of adipose tissue on the buttocks of the females (enough to set them apart, apparently, from merely obese women). Because this made their captive distinct from women they knew, and because the captive only spoke gibberish (that is, not English), they cooked and ate her as bush meat. (Atypically for me I haven't verified this incident; I only remember it from one of Gould's books.) Their criteria for meat was: not like us.The Aztecs were less picky; they enjoyed the taste of human flesh. It was not, as is often assumed, merely a matter of religious ritual; they had written recipes on the cooking of such dishes as Human Flesh with Lima Beans. Of course, if we speak of superior and inferior proteins - plant proteins often pronounced inferior because animal proteins are more "available" - then human protein is the best of all and the easiest to digest. But readers of the China Study know that it is, in fact the availability of animal protein, that is, its similarity to our own, that makes it so dangerous to us.I'm not sure how much of an impact it makes on animal agriculture to select vegetarian items from menus with meat in a restaurant that advertises "Vegetarian Entrées and Daily Carnivore Specials." I somehow doubt their meat orders are affected at all (until there are lots more of us). I would like to see us have as many events as possible at purely vegetarian restaurants. Happily, there is one in Knoxville now, The Glowing Body, with, reportedly, another on the way. And they need our business.As to your comment "they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus," you don't know anything about what products I buy or how greedy I am. I haven't shopped at Walmart in years - I suspect that's true of many or most on this list, but I don't know, either - and am really not much of a consumer of manufactured products. And I don't see any reason we shouldn't "flare up" (your words) about restaurant menus; gradually changing those menus is a big part of the purpose of vegetarian organizations. And, to that extent, I think we've been successful.
Yes, slavery goes on; there are, in fact, more slaves in the world than ever before, maybe as many as 27,000,000, a disgrace to humanity. But I don't know what that has to do with vegetarianism. If someone comes here from Nashville to join us it would be because they feel the need to associate with people who have gained important insights into the critical place of our diet in a compassionate and sustainable world. The "unfortunate reality under [our] nose" is that meat production contributes more to global warming than does transportation in all its forms. We are rapidly moving toward a world where many of those "monkey-eating" children won't be able to survive at all. I think that's worth flaring up about.Yours truly,John MayerAt 1:26 PM -0800 1/10/09, Guy Wilson wrote:
Though Bruce has a point, I think you guys need to lighten up a little, especially on your vegetarian apologetics response. Who cares, and why are they spending energy on that? Twenty years ago vacations to Indonesia were popular from Europe and the US that included interviews with living admitted well-documented cannibals, who described the sweet taste of roasted, deep fried, or boiled human flesh that they had enjoyed routinely, all prior to the Indonesian government's purportedly effective suppression of cannibalism beyond the western mountains in the two decades preceding that. Especially popular was discussion through an interpreter with those old folks who had been fond of specialty foods like "pot-boiled thigh of missionary." Lets assume based on the Indonesian government's spun propaganda that Chrysler SUVs are NOT really made by cannibals today, because today Indonesian autoworkers "eat monkeys, not missionaries." Let's assume that's really true. Everyone still agrees that those same cannibals and their offspring are driving rare species of monkeys to extinction by eating them for their food as they busily make most of the products sold in Wal Mart and Target and elsewhere in the US that you consume greedily as you are busy flaring up about the vegetarian / nonvegetarian content of Knox restaurant menus. We are a non-manufacturing information- based economy embracing globalization that is maximizing permissible discharges while minimizing labor via postmodern pseudoslavery of children in developing nations. In parts of Asia in 2009, if you can catch an eight-year old monkey-eating child in a net, you can put her to work in a slave factory making products for US consumption. This is progress. Cannibalism is no longer embraced on paper by any government actively participating in globalization through the World Bank, but beyond that, the rules of consumption are still quite limited, and WE are responsible for our own consumption and the practices of supported cultures, but we are too focused on micro-issues like menus to see the global trends-- now THAT's funny! Don't take this observation too seriously; It is merely intended to point to unfortunate reality that is under your nose. Anyway, am I to assume people in Nashville drive all the way to Knoxiousville just to eat, or is it just to experience our "upwind valley effect" exhaust-fume and TVA-discharge induced high that we get from our extremely poor quality breathing air that is so advertised by EPA? As EPA says on their website, quality of air is quality of life!
--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Viveca Park <vivecapark@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
To: Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com, "Laura Broderick" <laurabroderick@ mindspring. com>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 10:54 PM
Sorry about that. I have to take the blame for posting the menu to the website. It was sent to me with information to post on the website for the dinner social. I wasn't thinking and posted the entire menu.
I have since modified it and (hopefully) removed all traces of meat products.
Viveca
webmaster
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Costain
To: Laura Broderick ; Vegetarian_Society_ of_East_TN@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [Vegetarian Society of East TN] Re: VSET Social on Wed. Jan 14th
Dear Colleagues in Non-harming and Health,
Please explain why a vegetarian society would list menu items that involve animal flesh? I can be flexible and understand folks having a social in a place that has both veg and non veg dishes but can't understand the advertisement of things that are counter to what a vegetarian society represents.
Am I missing something here?
Bruce Costain
Nashville, TN
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