I got an email in reguards to this and it was just someones thoughts about this (it was not negative).

 

To add to my creditability about knowning jack about dimentions and numbers here (I am not a burger flipper).

 

My reply was this...

 

Yea, I am not sure what to think here, I have thought about it off and on all day.

In my daily everyday life at work I work with a set of 12 inch digital calipers that measure to 4 decimals (.0000).

These days I run a centrifical break press most of the time (thus the standing in one place problem I have, and needing to do something about the varicocele issue).

My job titel these days is "precision sheet metal fabricatior". The tolerance on most parts all formed up (bent up) is .010 max. There is a company we do a lot of work for that has a tolerance on all their parts of .1mm / .0039 (about 4 thousandths of an inch). Anything out of tolerance is garbage/scrap pile now).. dont screw it up!. All stainless, carbon, and aluminum... all types of finishes as well.

I make parts for the little things in life all the way up to stuff for Honeywell, NASA, Military, etc. Sometimes we make one of them, sometimes we make 10,000 of them.

So... yes, I do understand the tiny things in life :D

I have been working in the metal fabrication buisness for most of my adult life to boot (working with measurements and such every single day for 18 years or so).

I am curious about the 3rd set of results. I have overlooked all the images here and it does not appear that she made any mistakes. There is no doubt about how much differnt I look down there though. I used to hang way low, so its a major change.

-Rabbit

 

 

From: Rabbit <rabbidrabbit15@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

Well... Ok, I got the information from the first ultrasound.

 

I have an ellipsoid volume calculator here  http://www.onlineconversion.com/object_volume_ellipsoid.htm

 

My results are not what I expected. My wife and I even talked about this as I was shocked by the results.

 

I have looked all of this over for errors many times until I was certian I did it all correctly (please correct me if I have my math/thinking all wrong.

 

In April 2006...

 

Left dims were 4.09, 3.07, 2.17, total volume was 14.267

 

Rigt dims were 4.65, 2.99, 1.99, total volume was 14.487

 

In May of 2011...

 

Left dims were 4.08, 2.92, 2.64, total volume was 16.468

 

Rigt dims were 4.00, 2.94, 2.43, total volume was 14.963

 

Unless the data from the old untrasound was crappy at best, my balls have not shrunk by looking at the records. Notice that some of the dims did change. It would appear that my balls had grown by the time the second ultrasound was done. That don't make a damn bit of sense to me.

 

I have a 3rd ultrasound I am working on getting and the results might be weird to.

 

I know my testicals have done some weird stuff through this entire ordeal. I noted the time they felt the smallest (4 months post vas). After the first reversal they grew a bit during month 1.5 - 2.5 or so. After that my testicals seemed to be up and down for the entire duration up to the re-do. If I had been asked, I would have said my testicals were defenatly smaller than pre vas most of the time.

 

My wife and I talked about these results. She obviously says/agrees that I am way way way shorter now (balls hanging wise)(left side is the very shorty).

 

Her guess was that my balls had shrunk for sure.

 

So, I dono what is up with these results here. Maybe I did not take as much damage in the shrinkage dept as I thought I did. This idea makes me feel a bit crazy as this does not add up to what I feel and can see (nor what my wife says/remembers). We both agree that my package is all rearranged for sure (my sack).

 

Maybe the ultrasound tech did not measure accurately the day of the first ultrasound or the second (where she put her points at)(the same person did both of them).

 

Maybe the third ultrasound will help explain some of my questions.

 

Any thoughts?

 

-Rabbit

 

From: Rabbit <rabbidrabbit15@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

I am going to have to go and get the actual disk from the first ultrasound. All I have is the paperwork.

 

I do have the disk from the second one now. I got into it this evening and it actually tells me the volume of each testical. It also tells me the dims in a more accurate manner. Instead of lets say 2.4 it might be 2.44... that stuff adds up when doing all the math on 3 dims.

 

My volume numbers are way differnt than what I posted earlier.

 

From 2011.

 

Left - 16.47

Right-14.96

 

Earlier I said...

Left  - 9.6

Right- 9.3

 

Big differance.

 

I have always wanted to get to the bottom of this and know the facts about myself.

 

I will get there.

 

-Rabbit

From: Rabbit <rabbidrabbit15@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

No wonder I was baffeled. I know they have shrunk, but the numbers were not making sense.

 

Thanks for the formulas.

 

Looks like I have some more math to do.

 

-Rabbit

From: "Anthony Ellis, M.D." <thetaorunner@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

In order to make a volumetric comparison, you have to use 3 measurements: length, width, and height and use the formula for volume of a ellipsoid object. You would also need to know the margin of error of the measurements to be completely accurate. The numbers you posted seem the same when taking in to account a 2mm margin of error.

 

 

For example I'll make up some typical numbers: length 4.5cm, width 2.5 cm and height 3.5 cm. You put this into an ellipsoid volume calculator and you get 20.6 cubic cm.

Now let's make up some "after shrinkage numbers" : 4.0, 2.0, and 3.0    You put this in the ellipsoid volume calculator and you get: 12.56 cubic cm.

Notice that loss of 0.5 cm in each direction gives you a greater than 35% volume loss.

 

In healthy European adult human males, average testicular volume is 18 cm³ per testis, with normal size ranging from 12 cm³ to 30 cm³.^[4] The average testicle size after puberty measures up to around 2 inches long, 0.8 inches in breadth, and 1.2 inches in height (5 x 2 x 3 cm). Measurement in the living adult is done in two basic ways:

• comparing the testicle with ellipsoids of known sizes (orchidometer).
• measuring the length, depth and width with a ruler, a pair of calipers or ultrasound imaging.

The volume is then calculated using the formula for the volume of an ellipsoid: 4/3 π × (length/2) × (width/2) × (depth/2).

 

A. Ellis MD

From: Rabbit <rabbidrabbit15@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

Ok, I have done the math.. that was really easy, lol.

 

I only have the disks for my 2006 and my 2010 ultrasounds. I do not have the one from 6 weeks ago yet.

 

I knew I had some shrinkage as I can feel it. I noticed some stuff in the dims dept when looking over all 3 ultrasounds about 5 weeks ago.

 

I have said that I did not shrink in the past, and now I know why I said that.

 

I came up with my dims by adding all three dims together and comparing. I assume this will work for referance/educational purposes.

 

I will just post my dims. They are in centimeters.

 

In April, 2006

Left     -  9.4

Right   -  9.7

Total # 19.1

 

In late May, 2011

Left      - 9.6

Right    - 9.3

Total # 18.9

 

My worst side is my left.

 

These results surprised me when I seen them compared. I plan to get the other CD and throw that out there to. My guess is that they grew since 2011, we'll see about that.

 

I think this type of damage varys man to man. I think it varys due to the degree of damage to the testi from back pressure, asa's, and I am certian there are other variables.

 

Anyone else wanna contribute their results to this survey?

 

-Rabbit   

From: Rabbit <rabbidrabbit15@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

On a better note here...

 

I will post a % not the dims.

 

I also have a 3rd ultrasound taken 6-7 months post re-do and a month into the embolization.

 

That one was done about 8-9 months after the previous one. 

 

I will throw them figures out there to.

 

-Rabbit

From: Rabbit <rabbidrabbit15@...>
To: "VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com" <VasectomyPain@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: [VasectomyPain] Balls have shrunk post vasectomy

 

Dr. Ellis and Everyone,

 

I didn't get a chance to reply to the post a while back about the shrinkage and the having ultrasounds to prove it. Like some of you all, I have them to. I plan to look into my results again and I will post the exact dims 5 years before vas, and 9months post R1. I have this shrinkage to, but I have never got an exact % put together because I have never took the time to. My guess would be that I have shrunk about 10-30%.

 

Lately when I speak of shrinkage with me it is about varicocele type shrinkage. They can do a number on some guys. Like 40%+ smaller, or more. Tortion is another thing that will cause this, and we all probably know it can lead to death of the testical via strangulation.

 

It is good to know your ASA count is below 20%. I was surprised to read that, but it is better than 20+. Had you ever checked them in the past?

 

I beleive in your theorys on this as it is much like my own.

 

-Rabbit