Hi Karan,

Welcome to the group.

As Jerry said, the Kellogs stuff does contain malt extract which is "deemed" to
be gluten free but does contain traces. The same is true of Wlkers, I am afraid.
If you look at the ingredients, you will find that one of the ingredients (I
think it's the maltodextrin but I can't remember off the top of my head) has the
words from wehat in brackets after it. This means that the wheat has been washed
until, again, it is "deemed" to be gluten free but traces still remain.
This does happen to other people. I have two sons who cannot tolerate anything
with the slightest hint of gluten in. It MAY mean that you are supersensative
but this is not necessarily the case. It may be that you cannot tolerate these
two things but are still fine with other CODEX standard foods. Have you tried
any of the fresh breads yet? Most of these contain wheat starch. Check the
ingredients. If you cannot eat these then it probably means you are
supersensative and should avoid anything that has had gluten in it (even if it
states "suitable for Coeliacs" as the Kellogs and Walkers products do). If you
are fine with the bread then just avoid the things that make you ill!

Good luck and I hope this has helped.

Pippa.
  xxx

Message: 3
    Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:45:51 -0800 (PST)
    From: karan oberai <karanoberai@...>
Subject: Hi

Hi there ,
My Names Karan and I recently joined this group, I was
diagnosed as a coeliac a few months back , it was a
shock to me as no one in my family has ever had the
same probelm.Anyways I am recovering now and feeling
better as well.

I had a question and was wondering if other people
felt the same way , I have been eating some of walkers
crisps and they do mention there that it is safe for
coeliacs but I still get a reaction , has this
happened to other people as well.

The other thing was with kellogs crunchy nut I think
they have changed their recipe and it contains a mild
form of gluten.So beware of it.

Thanks
Karan

Thanks
Karan

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As far as I am aware the only restrictions on medications is for no
wheat derivatives in medication for 6 months and under age group.

  Wheat starch derivatives are used in childrens medications as is
e123 which's a banned azo colour in some countries incl the USA and
Canada, and these are approved by codex alimentarius in the Eu, so
here lies the answer I feel.

  I think a similar response would have occurred if the subject had
been marmite which's listed as glutenfree when it is far from it.
  Jerry


--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Jones" <mike@j...> wrote:
>
>
> OK, Maybe I should clarify a few points in that case.
>  I said "NONE of the over the counter OR prescription pain relief
(paracetomol or iboprofen) OR cough mixtures (and possibly countless
other things) are not safe for coeliacs. All contain Maltitol which
is made from wheat."
>
> I have only EVER talked about infant and childrens medication and
this information is true for them according to the manufacturers.
All the maltitol used in these drugs is made from wheat as is
something called Polysorbate 80. I am not talking about general
foods. Just the items I have mentioned. This is all I have ever
claimed.
>
> I hope that clears a few things up,
>
> Pippa.
>  xxx
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:34:37 -0000
>    From: "jax_jac2002" <jax_jac2002@y...>
> Subject: Re: A WARNING TO PARENTS
>
> Anna
>
> This is a message that Pippa posted.
>
>
> She wrote:
>
>  "NONE of the over the counter OR prescription pain relief
> (paracetomol or iboprofen) OR cough mixtures (and possibly
countless
> other things) are not safe for coeliacs. All contain Maltitol
which
> is made from wheat.
>
>
> She said said that Maltito is made from wheat!!!   Maltitol comes
> from other sources besides wheat.
>
> She said NONE of the over counter or prescription pain relief med
as
> safe which is not true.
>
>
>
> Nemo Jax
>
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OK, Maybe I should clarify a few points in that case.
  I said "NONE of the over the counter OR prescription pain relief (paracetomol
or iboprofen) OR cough mixtures (and possibly countless other things) are not
safe for coeliacs. All contain Maltitol which is made from wheat."

I have only EVER talked about infant and childrens medication and this
information is true for them according to the manufacturers. All the maltitol
used in these drugs is made from wheat as is something called Polysorbate 80. I
am not talking about general foods. Just the items I have mentioned. This is all
I have ever claimed.

I hope that clears a few things up,

Pippa.
  xxx

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Message: 13
    Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:34:37 -0000
    From: "jax_jac2002" <jax_jac2002@...>
Subject: Re: A WARNING TO PARENTS

Anna

This is a message that Pippa posted.


She wrote:

  "NONE of the over the counter OR prescription pain relief
(paracetomol or iboprofen) OR cough mixtures (and possibly countless
other things) are not safe for coeliacs. All contain Maltitol which
is made from wheat.


She said said that Maltito is made from wheat!!!   Maltitol comes
from other sources besides wheat.

She said NONE of the over counter or prescription pain relief med as
safe which is not true.



Nemo Jax

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Dear Nemo,

I am not "posting incorrect, inaccurate statements." I have contacted all the
manufacturers I say I have and this is their words and their advice. Your choice
if you follow it or not.

Pippa.
  xxx

Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:17:45 -0000
    From: "jax_jac2002" <jax_jac2002@...>
Subject: Re: A WARNING TO PARENTS


Anna


I have said nothing about people living their life however they
want.  I am perfectly aware that some people are very sensitive to
wheat, codex products, malt washes, etc and cannot eat them without
a reaction. That is acknowledged. This has got absolutely nothing at
all to do with that. Pippa is posting incorrect, inaccurate
statements.

Posting subjects with inflammatory heading and causing people
unnecessary alarm.



Nemo

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Hi everyone (especially Nemo Jax, Anna and Jerry!),

Thank you to everyone who has given me support over this issue. I really
appreciate it. Especially as this has been a fiery debate!

Can I first of all I say that I have nothing to do with this Manitol debate
so I have no idea how I have been dragged into that one! I have only stated
MALITOL so please leave me out of that one. Nemo Jax, you said that my
information was incorrect because of something I said about Manitol. Well, I
am afraid that your reading is incorrect as I have never said anything about
it!

Secondly, I am grateful to Anna and the others for sticking up for me. Yes,
I could have answered you but was away for the weekend. I only picked up
these messages this morning and then my e-mail went down so I couldn't post
a reply until now. Anna has a right to her say as well as you or I. She also
said everything that I was going to say anyway so there was no point me
posting the same stuff twice! - Anna, how do you know me so well?! ;-)

Thirdly, and most importantly, NONE of my information is incorrect or
misinformed. I have spoken to the maufacturers that I say I have (makers of
Calpol, nurofen, tixilyx etc) and my pharmacist has spoken to the over all
body in the lab who make the initial suspensions. I have been told my
information by these people and seeing as they make the stuff I trust they
know what they're putting in it! The lab (sorry, I didn't get a name) even
offered to make up a special suspension for my boys because there is nothing
they can take except panadol paracetomol! Would they have done this is the
manufacturers info was incorrect?!

I have written to the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory
Agency) and my MP, Theresa May, and am awaiting a replies from both. I have
also filled out a yellow card and left it with my pharmacist. I will let you
know any updates as I know.

Thanks again to everyone who supported me. I have really needed it this
week!

Pippa.
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The restaurant - IRU - not only understand g/f but are adding 5 g/f
dishes next year.

We'd a somewhat hillarious episode in Mallorca for a week.
In addition to gluten, my problems include sunlight, egg, seafood,
shellfish.
To cut a long story short, the owner of the restaurant ceremoniously
handed me an empty plate to play with.

(My wife really needs her annual week in the sun.)

The Ardlui Hotel on Loch Lomondside know what gluten free is about.
They've been catering for me at weekends for the last two years and now
Scott (the boss and chef) has given me some sauces away to try out
prior to him introducing them into the menu.

Whilst g/f is not indicated on the menu - yet - if you explain the
problem, they do understand.

Hi Karan,
you said:
  The other thing was with kellogs crunchy nut I think
they have changed their recipe and it contains a mild
form of gluten.So beware of it.

   Kelloggs crunchy nut has malt added so its had gluten added how
safe or how suitable food like this is for a coeliac is down to the
individual coeliac on how gluten free they want their diet to be.
  Kelloggs can not by law say their products are glutenfree because
they have added malt, but certain people still deem this suitable
for coeliacs for some reason.
  Jerry

--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, karan oberai <karanoberai@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hi there ,
> My Names Karan and I recently joined this group, I was
> diagnosed as a coeliac a few months back , it was a
> shock to me as no one in my family has ever had the
> same probelm.Anyways I am recovering now and feeling
> better as well.
>
> I had a question and was wondering if other people
> felt the same way , I have been eating some of walkers
> crisps and they do mention there that it is safe for
> coeliacs but I still get a reaction , has this
> happened to other people as well.
>
> The other thing was with kellogs crunchy nut I think
> they have changed their recipe and it contains a mild
> form of gluten.So beware of it.
>
> Thanks
> Karan
>
> Thanks
> Karan
>
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Hi there ,
My Names Karan and I recently joined this group, I was
diagnosed as a coeliac a few months back , it was a
shock to me as no one in my family has ever had the
same probelm.Anyways I am recovering now and feeling
better as well.

I had a question and was wondering if other people
felt the same way , I have been eating some of walkers
crisps and they do mention there that it is safe for
coeliacs but I still get a reaction , has this
happened to other people as well.

The other thing was with kellogs crunchy nut I think
they have changed their recipe and it contains a mild
form of gluten.So beware of it.

Thanks
Karan

Thanks
Karan

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On a BA flight from Gatwick in September I duly received my gluten
free meal.Unfortunately the caterer had included biscuits which were
clearly marked "contain wheat". Thankfully I made sure I read the
packet and was able to make the necessary noises back at the
ranch.However the point is that the caterers are not obviously clued
up enough and everyone needs to be careful even when you are told
something on a flight is gluten free, all is not always as it seems.

Tests has shown no damage as far as I know. However, I question the
logic in eating it...I mean if *some* get very ill from it then it could
possibly have a long term effect on people who doesn't feel anything?

I honestly don't know. Try to find research results about it on-line, I
know there are some but not where.

I do not know how I would have done if it was my kids being
glutenintolerant. But IF they would get it I would not give the things
with weath starch on a daily basis, I would keep it for special
occations. But that is just becaue I know how it effects me but I too
"cheat" at times :)

Anna

On sön, 2005-10-30 at 18:54 +0000, Viv wrote:
> Hi,
> As the mum of an eight year old with coeliac disease, who is quite
> sensitive, but not super-sensitive, can I ask opinion on whether
> there is really much difference?  What worries me is that just
> because Ruairi does not react to trace amounts of gluten, does it
> necessarily mean that there is no damage being done internally?
> Perhaps we should be trying for zero gluten anyway.
>
> Viv

Hi,
As the mum of an eight year old with coeliac disease, who is quite
sensitive, but not super-sensitive, can I ask opinion on whether
there is really much difference?  What worries me is that just
because Ruairi does not react to trace amounts of gluten, does it
necessarily mean that there is no damage being done internally?
Perhaps we should be trying for zero gluten anyway.

Viv

--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "jerry" <j8hrt@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, in my opinion Pippa made her post because Pippa had been told
> this information by a reliable source. You  have said that manitol
> can be made from wheat, we know that theres an exclusion to
> wheat starch so that manufacturers can switch sources without
having
> to switch labels.
>  All medications have side effects and maximum doses. As we can
not
> measure zero gluten how can we be so sure that wheat derivatives
are
> zero gluten and if so why do so many coeliacs have a bad reaction
to
> them.
>  I think that Pippa is being given a hard time for believing in
what
> she said sincerely, so I would like to see a little more respect
for
> Pippa and Anna please.As I feel that the manufacturer should be
> asked and then we will know for sure, also I want to know if e123
is
> added to some childrens medications, this I believe is very
> important and relevant to ALL parents, but these are just my
> personal views on this issue.
>  Thanks
>    Jerry
>
> --- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "jax_jac2002"
<jax_jac2002@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > -- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, Anna M <fiot@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes I know she said that and if you check out my reply you
will
> > see that
> > > I then said that there ARE medications that does not contain
any
> > of the
> > > two.
> > >
> > > And I am 100% sure that what Pippa meant was ALL of the ones
she
> > had
> > > found so far.
> > >
> > > So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything
really.
> > >
> > > Anna
> > >
> > > On lör, 2005-10-29 at 17:34 +0000, jax_jac2002 wrote:
> >
> > Anna  you wrote:
> >
> > "So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything
really"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Exactly!!! So why to you keep saying that she hasn't posted
> > misinformation when she has!!! You might have been 100% sure, I
> > certainly wasn't!!! When someone post's something that is
> incorrect,
> > surely someone should point it out!!  Otherwise other people
might
> > read and believe the wrong thing.  Why to you keep posting
> whenever
> > I respond.  I am sure that Pippa is perfectly capable of reply
if
> > she wanted to, I am sure that she doesn't need you  to post on
her
> > behalf.
> >
> > I noticed that she was also posting the same misinformation on
> > another celiac support group too.
> >
> > You are the one who keeps replying to my posts
> >
> > Nemo Jax
> >
>

Hi, in my opinion Pippa made her post because Pippa had been told
this information by a reliable source. You  have said that manitol
can be made from wheat, we know that theres an exclusion to
wheat starch so that manufacturers can switch sources without having
to switch labels.
  All medications have side effects and maximum doses. As we can not
measure zero gluten how can we be so sure that wheat derivatives are
zero gluten and if so why do so many coeliacs have a bad reaction to
them.
  I think that Pippa is being given a hard time for believing in what
she said sincerely, so I would like to see a little more respect for
Pippa and Anna please.As I feel that the manufacturer should be
asked and then we will know for sure, also I want to know if e123 is
added to some childrens medications, this I believe is very
important and relevant to ALL parents, but these are just my
personal views on this issue.
  Thanks
    Jerry

--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "jax_jac2002" <jax_jac2002@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> -- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, Anna M <fiot@t...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes I know she said that and if you check out my reply you will
> see that
> > I then said that there ARE medications that does not contain any
> of the
> > two.
> >
> > And I am 100% sure that what Pippa meant was ALL of the ones she
> had
> > found so far.
> >
> > So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything really.
> >
> > Anna
> >
> > On lör, 2005-10-29 at 17:34 +0000, jax_jac2002 wrote:
>
> Anna  you wrote:
>
> "So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything really"
>
>
>
>
> Exactly!!! So why to you keep saying that she hasn't posted
> misinformation when she has!!! You might have been 100% sure, I
> certainly wasn't!!! When someone post's something that is
incorrect,
> surely someone should point it out!!  Otherwise other people might
> read and believe the wrong thing.  Why to you keep posting
whenever
> I respond.  I am sure that Pippa is perfectly capable of reply if
> she wanted to, I am sure that she doesn't need you  to post on her
> behalf.
>
> I noticed that she was also posting the same misinformation on
> another celiac support group too.
>
> You are the one who keeps replying to my posts
>
> Nemo Jax
>

-- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, Anna M <fiot@t...> wrote:
>
> Yes I know she said that and if you check out my reply you will
see that
> I then said that there ARE medications that does not contain any
of the
> two.
>
> And I am 100% sure that what Pippa meant was ALL of the ones she
had
> found so far.
>
> So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything really.
>
> Anna
>
> On lör, 2005-10-29 at 17:34 +0000, jax_jac2002 wrote:

Anna  you wrote:

"So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything really"




Exactly!!! So why to you keep saying that she hasn't posted
misinformation when she has!!! You might have been 100% sure, I
certainly wasn't!!! When someone post's something that is incorrect,
surely someone should point it out!!  Otherwise other people might
read and believe the wrong thing.  Why to you keep posting whenever
I respond.  I am sure that Pippa is perfectly capable of reply if
she wanted to, I am sure that she doesn't need you  to post on her
behalf.

I noticed that she was also posting the same misinformation on
another celiac support group too.

You are the one who keeps replying to my posts

Nemo Jax

Hi
Do you know if these are gluten free? ( am thinking some of the added
stuff in them to keep them)

Thanks

I am so rude! Don't even introduce myself before I jump into the
discussions, sorry.

My name is Anna, I am 34 years old and live in Sweden with my two kids
3½ and & years old. I am a full time University student and will
eventually have a Bachelors degree in the sience of social work. Sounds
nice in English I have to say :)

I have been sick all my life and got the diagnose in 1998 which gave me
a new life I have to say. Non of the tests, blood or biopsy showed
positive results but my clever doctor told me to go on the diet for
minimum 6 months but preferrably a year. After three months I was
already feeling better. What a relief!

I don't find it very difficult to be gluten intolerant. I eat better
than I have ever done :) Ok, at times I get very annoyed when someone
eats a yummy pizza right in front of me but other than that I'm fine :)

I am very sensitive and can't eat the wheatstarch used in gf products, I
go for naturally gf which of course can make me sick too....had happened
with rice a few times and I guess it has been stored near wheat or
something. Oh well, it doesn't happen often.

Take care,Anna

Of course but if you already have osteoporosis then you'd have to take
extra calcium. There are ways to make the body take it up better. Can't
remember which vitamine that should be take at the same time to help
things up though.

Anna

On sön, 2005-10-30 at 10:11 +0000, jerry wrote:
> Hi, calcium is not easily absorbed into the body from lots of calcium
> supplements, because the calcium molecules in artificail calcium are
> much to large for the body to absorb so you have to get the expensive
> ones if you want them to be effective. This is why foods that
> are naturally rich in calcium are an essential part of our diet.
> Jerry

Hi, calcium is not easily absorbed into the body from lots of calcium
supplements, because the calcium molecules in artificail calcium are
much to large for the body to absorb so you have to get the expensive
ones if you want them to be effective. This is why foods that
are naturally rich in calcium are an essential part of our diet.
  Jerry

--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, Anna M <fiot@t...> wrote:
>
> Liz, you sould also get some kalcium tablets to take daily.
>
> Oh, I have to go and check my bone density!!!
>
> Take care Liz,
>
> Anna
>

Liz, you sould also get some kalcium tablets to take daily.

Oh, I have to go and check my bone density!!!

Take care Liz,

Anna

I forgot to say that on the supersensitive group we have pictures of
glutenfree food including bread made with quinoa flour, because we
are going to show just what can be done thats wheat and glutenfree
   Jerry

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/GlutenFreedom/lst


--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "jerry" <j8hrt@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello Liz,
>  I am sorry that you have osteoporosis, one good tip to avoid it
is
> to reduce our consumption of caffeine because ceffeine  destroys
the
> stored calcium in our bodies.
>  Quinoa is a miracle food for coeliacs because it contains calcium
> iron folic acid (which's vital to the absorption of iron) and
omega
> 3 fats.And our bodies convert all the food we eat into 23 vital
> amino acids and the only 8 that the body can not manufacture
itself
> are all in quinoa.
>  Quinoa is called a grain but really its the seeds of the
goosefoot
> plant and the seeds are about 2/3mm in diameter they are usually
a
> creamy colour or red. You cook quinoa just like you would rice and
> you can cook half rice and half quinoa.When you boil it these
little
> white curls come out of the seed pod when its cooked.
>  Health food shops and wholefood shops stock quinoa, it is
important
> to rinse thew quinoa thoroughly before cooking.
>  Good luck with your osteoporosis Liz,
>    Jerry
>
> --- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "labradoruk2000"
> <lizmdevlin@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I was at a small food fair on Teesside last Saturday and there
was
> a
> > bottle of beer for everyone to try by Hambleton Ales. Although I
> don't
> > normally drink beer shared it with my husband (non coeliac) who
> > thought it was palatable. I had asked if it could be mixed with
> > lemonade for a shandy but the chap said it was a sweet beer and
I
> just
> > tried it on its own.  In case anyone is interested  It is
> Hambleton
> > Gluten Free Beer 4% and costs 25.80 for 12 500ml bottles and the
> web
> > site is www.hambletonales.co.uk - but forgot to ask if there was
a
> > postage charge.       One of the companies was a new firm from
> > Aysgarth and decided to buy two very large muffins from them at
> £1.50
> > each one carrot cake and the other chocolate which were nice but
> they
> > were selling a larger cake which was priced at £10! which
needless
> to
> > say I didn't bother with.
> >
> >
> > On another note, I have been told I have osteoporosis in my mid
> lumbar
> > spine but luckily my hips are OK so will be starting on new
> medication
> > over the next couple of weeks.  Had taken some a few years ago
but
> > stopped it when my last densitometry scan showed a lot of
> improvement.
> > Reading about Quinoa - perhaps I should try that, what does it
> look
> > like?   Don't think I have seen it but must check out in a
Health
> Food
> > Store.  I have also been told to take Vitamin D.   Liz
> >
>

Hello Liz,
  I am sorry that you have osteoporosis, one good tip to avoid it is
to reduce our consumption of caffeine because ceffeine  destroys the
stored calcium in our bodies.
  Quinoa is a miracle food for coeliacs because it contains calcium
iron folic acid (which's vital to the absorption of iron) and omega
3 fats.And our bodies convert all the food we eat into 23 vital
amino acids and the only 8 that the body can not manufacture itself
are all in quinoa.
  Quinoa is called a grain but really its the seeds of the goosefoot
plant and the seeds are about 2/3mm in diameter they are usually a
creamy colour or red. You cook quinoa just like you would rice and
you can cook half rice and half quinoa.When you boil it these little
white curls come out of the seed pod when its cooked.
  Health food shops and wholefood shops stock quinoa, it is important
to rinse thew quinoa thoroughly before cooking.
  Good luck with your osteoporosis Liz,
    Jerry

--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "labradoruk2000"
<lizmdevlin@h...> wrote:
>
> I was at a small food fair on Teesside last Saturday and there was
a
> bottle of beer for everyone to try by Hambleton Ales. Although I
don't
> normally drink beer shared it with my husband (non coeliac) who
> thought it was palatable. I had asked if it could be mixed with
> lemonade for a shandy but the chap said it was a sweet beer and I
just
> tried it on its own.  In case anyone is interested  It is
Hambleton
> Gluten Free Beer 4% and costs 25.80 for 12 500ml bottles and the
web
> site is www.hambletonales.co.uk - but forgot to ask if there was a
> postage charge.       One of the companies was a new firm from
> Aysgarth and decided to buy two very large muffins from them at
£1.50
> each one carrot cake and the other chocolate which were nice but
they
> were selling a larger cake which was priced at £10! which needless
to
> say I didn't bother with.
>
>
> On another note, I have been told I have osteoporosis in my mid
lumbar
> spine but luckily my hips are OK so will be starting on new
medication
> over the next couple of weeks.  Had taken some a few years ago but
> stopped it when my last densitometry scan showed a lot of
improvement.
> Reading about Quinoa - perhaps I should try that, what does it
look
> like?   Don't think I have seen it but must check out in a Health
Food
> Store.  I have also been told to take Vitamin D.   Liz
>

And with a small child you wouldn't know which of the two it is anyway
so it would be better to avoid the stuff all together.

And that is why I too avoid ANYTHING that has wheat in it. I can't even
tolerate the codex safe wheatstarch for god's sake. And that is why
Pippa avoid it for her kids too.

Here is Sweden all products that may have alcohol in them contain some
kind of warning.

Anna

On lör, 2005-10-29 at 17:43 +0000, jax_jac2002 wrote:
> Apparently not
>
> Only items containing over a certain amount of the substances carry
> this warning as far as I know.  I was pointing this out because it
> is a possible reason for some people may have gut disturbances and
> think that they have been glutened when the problem could have been
> sugar alcohols from a non-wheat or wheat source.  Some people are
> sensitive to tiny amount and if you are a small child even meds that
> contain non-wheat products could cause a tummy upset.
>
> I would be interested to know if medications that contain sugar
> alcohols do contain this warning regardless of the source of the
> sugar alcohols and the amount contained in the product.
>
>
> Nemo Jax

Yes I know she said that and if you check out my reply you will see that
I then said that there ARE medications that does not contain any of the
two.

And I am 100% sure that what Pippa meant was ALL of the ones she had
found so far.

So please let's stop this it doesn't give anyone anything really.

Anna

On lör, 2005-10-29 at 17:34 +0000, jax_jac2002 wrote:
> Anna
>
> This is a message that Pippa posted.
>
>
> She wrote:
>
> "NONE of the over the counter OR prescription pain relief
> (paracetomol or iboprofen) OR cough mixtures (and possibly countless
> other things) are not safe for coeliacs. All contain Maltitol which
> is made from wheat.
>
>
> She said said that Maltito is made from wheat!!!   Maltitol comes
> from other sources besides wheat.
>
> She said NONE of the over counter or prescription pain relief med as
> safe which is not true.
>
>
>
> Nemo Jax

Apparently not

Only items containing over a certain amount of the substances carry
this warning as far as I know.  I was pointing this out because it
is a possible reason for some people may have gut disturbances and
think that they have been glutened when the problem could have been
sugar alcohols from a non-wheat or wheat source.  Some people are
sensitive to tiny amount and if you are a small child even meds that
contain non-wheat products could cause a tummy upset.

I would be interested to know if medications that contain sugar
alcohols do contain this warning regardless of the source of the
sugar alcohols and the amount contained in the product.


Nemo Jax
>
> Isn't that commonly known?
>
> All items containing any of these substances are marked with
warnings
> here in Sweden saying one should not eat too much of it because it
is
> laxative.
>
> Anna

Anna

This is a message that Pippa posted.


She wrote:

  "NONE of the over the counter OR prescription pain relief
(paracetomol or iboprofen) OR cough mixtures (and possibly countless
other things) are not safe for coeliacs. All contain Maltitol which
is made from wheat.


She said said that Maltito is made from wheat!!!   Maltitol comes
from other sources besides wheat.

She said NONE of the over counter or prescription pain relief med as
safe which is not true.



Nemo Jax


-- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, Anna M <fiot@t...> wrote:
>
> Here are a few facts. Medication CAN contain gkuten even when we
don't
> think it might. It is VERY important to ask, ask and ask again and
THEN
> read the label and be sure about what's in there.
>
> And no I don't find it in any way alarming to use capital letters.
Pippa
> WAS alarmed about this because she didn't know that those
medication
> could contain anything harmful.
>
> If it says the stuff is made from wheat it probaly IS so where is
the
> misinformation? Pippa did not say that all medication contain
wheat nor
> did say that the sustance in question is always made from wheat.
>
> It is just as with maltodextrin, most of it come from corn or
potatoe
> but SOME come from wheat.
>
> Anna
>

Isn't that commonly known?

All items containing any of these substances are marked with warnings
here in Sweden saying one should not eat too much of it because it is
laxative.

Anna

On lör, 2005-10-29 at 16:02 +0000, jax_jac2002 wrote:
> Sorbitols and other sugar alcohols can cause gut disturbance
> gastrointestinal problems, including diarrhoea, abdominal pain, and
> bloating.  Mantitol Manitol sorbitol are just a few. This can happen
> whether someone has coeliac or not and even if the sugar alcohols
> are derived from totally naturally gluten free foods like corn.
> That is why there was a petition in the US to change labelling on
> product containing these things because in young children even small
> amounts can cause this problem.
>
>
> http://www.cspinet.org/foodsafety/labeling_sorbitol.html
>
>

Well done Jerry, a group like that is certainly very welcome.


Nemo Jax



--- In UK-Coeliac@yahoogroups.com, "jerry" <j8hrt@y...> wrote:
>
> Here it is folks the supersensitive group for supersensitive
coeliacs
> this is for life beyond codex because codex gluten is still a toxin
to
> whether other coeliacs like it or not. so if you feel that you would
> benefit from joining us please do.
>  Thanks
>   Jerry
>  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GlutenFreedom/
>