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#1013 From: "arianadmont" <arianadmont@...>
Date: Sun Feb 1, 2009 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Odor in the morning or immediately after meals
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I have experienced this.
I think it happens if you ate something wrong a day before and your
system is already clogged.
My other bad experiences were drinking hot herbal teas - better if cold
(OK do drink it hot in the evening).
Sugar is a killer, of course. wheat is not good either. a bite of
orange could be OK, but would create noise in my stomach (can you
imaging having it in a cubicle, surrounded by lots of people!). a piece
of banana was OK, unless I was stressed.
Hard to say what is a perfect breakfast when your body is in the
congested mode. I tried to eat just a small carrot. sometimes it was
Ok, sometimes it was not. What about a serving of white rice (no salt,
no butter)?

#1012 From: "tweet342002" <wrightdr@...>
Date: Sun Feb 1, 2009 2:08 am
Subject: Odor in the morning or immediately after meals
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I hope everyone is doing well.

Question - Has anyone experienced an odor immediately after eating?
If so, does the odor eventually subside? Also, if this has happened
to you, what were you eating (food type, amount, temperature, etc.)
and how do you eat lunch at work without causing a disruption? Also,
is the odor worse in the morning when you arrive to work? If so, how
do you manage it? Do you have success with eating breakfast and
taking supplements as a part of your morning routine?

Over the years, I've greatly improved these "odor outbreaks" by diet
and daily exercise. However, every now and again, I get too busy to
be mindful of my routine. I'm looking for other ways of managing this
issue.

Thanks for any advice you have and if you have any questions for me,
feel free to ask.

Much love and many blessings to all of you,

Tweet

#1011 From: reb4p@...
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:24 pm
Subject: Fwd: FW: Thought for the day and rest of our live
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From: Elizabeth.Ewers@...
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Sent: 1/30/2009 9:15:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
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From: Garrison, Brenda (CVTC)
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:02 PM
To: Chelseabme2007@...; Camden, Nancy (CVTC); Fitzgerald, Janet (CVTC); Johnson, Yolonda (CVTC); Harris, Gloria (CVTC); Hill, Mary (CVTC); Hallstrom, Elaine (CVTC); Webb, Arthurmae (CVTC); Ragland, Gloria (CVTC); Robertson, Timothy (CVTC); Ewers, Elizabeth (CVTC); Burton, Elisa (Lee) (CVTC); Gunter, Amy (CVTC); Webster, Geraldine (CVTC); Mohr, Sonya (CVTC); Wrenn, Sandra (CVTC); Snead, Angela (CVTC); Hall, Stella (CVTC); Schmidt, Diane (CVTC)
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From: Wilma Rucker [mailto:wrucker@...]
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Subject: Fw: Thought for the day and rest of our live

 

 

 

There comes a point in your life when you realize
who matters,
who never did,
who won't anymore...
and who always will.
So, don't worry about people from your past,
there's a reason why they didn't make it to your future.
Give this heart
 to everyone you don't want to lose in 2009,
including me, if you care.
 Try to collect 12; it's not easy! 


'Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.'

 

 

 

 

 



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#1010 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Doctor's visit
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Try to remain strong at the appointment. Just say I would like this
test and are you willing to help me.

You have done your research now so it is your doctors turn. Either send
it in ahead or ask them to call you after they review the material.
Most likely they won't know about TMAU and will need time to read it.

Congradulations on getting to this point and let us know how it goes
and any advise you would give to someone.

Sharon+

--- In Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com, "reneeme41" <reneeme41@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am going to see the doctor on Monday I sent him a copy of the info
on
> your site but I want to know if there is anything else I can do or
say
> to the doctor that will make him look into my problem deeper.  In the
> past he only checked to see if I had a yeast infection.
>

#1009 From: "reneeme41" <reneeme41@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:53 pm
Subject: Doctor's visit
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Hi,

I am going to see the doctor on Monday I sent him a copy of the info on
your site but I want to know if there is anything else I can do or say
to the doctor that will make him look into my problem deeper.  In the
past he only checked to see if I had a yeast infection.

#1008 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
Date: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Thanks
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Thanks for that info, its true the wait is usually very long. The last time I was in contact with them there was a one year wait. Sharon the link didn't appear but its okay, I've been on the site and read all the guidelines and thats how I got their contact info./
Thanks,
Have a nice day.
Mercy.


#1007 From: <chanley13@...>
Date: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks Sharon
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They usually have a waiting list,I would be surprised if they can see you in
March but you can certainly try. When I called a couple of years ago,there was a
6 month wait. I ended up mailing my urine samples to Colorado.


---- sharnsk <sharnsk@...> wrote:
> Mercy,
>
> You will give it to them at your visit. Here is their link and look
> under TMAU diagnostic protocol.
>
> Sharon+
>
>
>
> --- In Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com, mercy kimani
> <kanyoni16@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sharon;
> > I didn't know monnell had put a hold on testing. I'll contact them
> again to see if I can get tested in March which is around the time
> I'll be visiting my family who live in the area. The one thing I
> really dread is going back to eating all those problem foods which
> I've avoided like the plague for months now.  Anyway; thats the
> stinky price I have to pay to find out once and for all.  
> > one more question; will they require me to send the samples
> beforehand? I know I can buy supplies and dry ice, etc; and the
> instructions on collecting are very clear; but I'm still so afraid of
> contaminating and causing false results.
> > I'll keep you posted.
> > Mercy.
> >
>
>

#1006 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:30 am
Subject: Re: Thanks Sharon
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Mercy,

You will give it to them at your visit. Here is their link and look
under TMAU diagnostic protocol.

Sharon+



--- In Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com, mercy kimani
<kanyoni16@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sharon;
> I didn't know monnell had put a hold on testing. I'll contact them
again to see if I can get tested in March which is around the time
I'll be visiting my family who live in the area. The one thing I
really dread is going back to eating all those problem foods which
I've avoided like the plague for months now.  Anyway; thats the
stinky price I have to pay to find out once and for all.  
> one more question; will they require me to send the samples
beforehand? I know I can buy supplies and dry ice, etc; and the
instructions on collecting are very clear; but I'm still so afraid of
contaminating and causing false results.
> I'll keep you posted.
> Mercy.
>

#1005 From: Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:25 am
Subject: Women's Conferences: normally every other Wednesday 8:30 pm EST., 1/28/2009, 8:00 pm
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#1004 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: Thanks Sharon
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Hi Sharon;
I didn't know monnell had put a hold on testing. I'll contact them again to see if I can get tested in March which is around the time I'll be visiting my family who live in the area. The one thing I really dread is going back to eating all those problem foods which I've avoided like the plague for months now.  Anyway; thats the stinky price I have to pay to find out once and for all.  
one more question; will they require me to send the samples beforehand? I know I can buy supplies and dry ice, etc; and the instructions on collecting are very clear; but I'm still so afraid of contaminating and causing false results.
I'll keep you posted.
Mercy.


#1003 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:13 pm
Subject: To anyone who thinks their computer has been hacked.
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Several of us have had our computers hacked and worse. I found these two free programs for a PC that seem to be helpful. Any  suggestions of things to do to prevent this please let us know.

Changing security settings is helpful but too complicated for me to explain. The hackings were not done at Yahoo, MSN or the new Body Odor site.

Free Windows® Defender by Microsoft for Windows XP.  Already included in the Vista versions. You may need to copy and paste this link as it is too long.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/defender/default.mspx

Free SPYBOT: the best according to PC World, PCMag
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/index.html


#1002 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: Thanks Bobbi
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Mercy,

Monell's testing, as well as Colorado's, was on hold. I am sure when
they finish the back log they will contact you. Just to be safe I
would contact them again.

You still do the collecting of the urine to give them. If you need
help with understanding that let me know.

You can also be seen in person at the Arkansas Children's Hospital
but need a doctors to refer you there.

Do you live in the US?

Sharon+

--- In Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com, mercy kimani
<kanyoni16@...> wrote:
>
> No; Monnell center totally stopped communicating with me; even
after I told them I could wait for as long as it would take. I've
read about places where you can send your urine sample in but I'm not
comfortable doing this as I may contaminate and cause a false
negative/positive. At monnell you have to go in in person. It would
be the cheapest option for me  not to mention, I have family in the
area that I can stay with. I will try and convince them again and see
what happens.
> Thanks,
> mercy
>

#1001 From: <chanley13@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks Bobbi
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Do you mean Monnell in Pensylvania? You don't have to go in person,you can if
you want but you have to make an appointment and you could be waiting a while.
You can mail them your urine sample if you choose.


---- mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...> wrote:
> No; Monnell center totally stopped communicating with me; even after I told
them I could wait for as long as it would take. I've read about places where you
can send your urine sample in but I'm not comfortable doing this as I may
contaminate and cause a false negative/positive. At monnell you have to go in in
person. It would be the cheapest option for me  not to mention, I have family
in the area that I can stay with. I will try and convince them again and see
what happens.
> Thanks,
> mercy
>
>
>

#1000 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:06 pm
Subject: The Sydney 'Sunday Telegraph' ran a story last week Mouthwash linked to cancer
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The Sydney 'Sunday Telegraph' ran a story this month that called for
the immediate removal of Alcohol-based mouthwash from supermarket
shelves.

Mouthwash linked to cancer
By Clair Weaver
January 11, 2009 12:00am

AUSTRALIA'S top-selling mouthwashes can cause oral cancer and should
be pulled from supermarket shelves immediately.

Leading independent experts have issued this strong warning after
investigating latest scientific evidence linking alcohol-containing
mouthwashes to the deadly disease.

Their review, published in the Dental Journal of Australia, concludes
there is now ``sufficient evidence'' that "alcohol-containing
mouthwashes contribute to the increased risk of development of oral
cancer''.

The ethanol in mouthwash is thought to allow cancer-causing
substances to permeate the lining of the mouth more easily and cause
harm.

Acetaldehyde, a toxic by-product of alcohol that may accumulate in
the oral cavity when swished around the mouth, is also believed to be
carcinogenic.

Listerine, the nation's biggest-selling mouthwash and a brand
endorsed by the Australian Dental Association (ADA), contains as much
as 26 per cent alcohol.

Mouthwash is one of the fastest-growing grocery products in
Australia, with the category now worth more than $75 million,
according to latest Nielsen market research.

Lead review author ProfessorMichael McCullough has told The Sunday
Telegraph alcohol-containing mouthwash should be reclassified as
prescription-only and carry written health warnings.

Prof McCullough, chair of the ADA's therapeutics committee and
associate professor of oral medicine at the University of Melbourne,
is calling on the ADA to urgently re-assess its seal of approval on
mouthwashes containing alcohol.

"We see people with oral cancer who have no other risk factors than
the use of alcohol-containing mouthwash, so what we've done in this
study is review all the evidence that's out there,'' he said.

"Since this article came out, further evidence has come out too. We
believe there should be warnings.

"If it was a facial cream that had the effect of reducing acne but
had a four- to five-fold increased risk of skin cancer, no one would
be recommending it.''

Oral cancer is a gruelling and mutilating disease that afflicts more
than 800 Australians each year and kills half of them within five
years of being diagnosed.

Smoking and alcohol consumption are well-established risk factors,
but alcohol-containing mouthwash use is more controversial.

Prof McCullough and co-author Dr Camile Farah, director of research
at the University of Queensland's School of Dentistry, recommended
mouthwash be restricted to ``short-term'' medical use or replaced by
alcohol-free versions.

"(We) further feel it is inadvisable for oral health-care
professionals to recommend the long-term use of alcohol-containing
mouthwashes,'' they concluded.

The review reported evidence from an international study of 3210
people which found daily mouthwash use was a "significant risk
factor'' for head and neck cancer, irrespective of whether users also
drank alcohol or smoked.

But the effects of mouthwash were worst in smokers, who had a nine-
fold increased risk of cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx and larynx.

Those who also drank alcohol had more than five times the risk - and
even those who neither drank nor smoked still ran a four- to five-
fold risk of contracting cancer.

A Brazilian study has also found regular mouthwash use is associated
with oral cancer regardless of alcohol or tobacco consumption.

"Mouthwash products are in contact with the oral mucosa as much as
alcoholic beverages, and may cause chemical aggression of the
cells,'' researchers from the University of Sao Paulo said.

They said the role of ethanol in causing DNA damage needed to be
explored further.

A review in the Journal of Occupational Medicine and Toxicology last
year said it would be "prudent, precautionary public-health policy to
generally refrain from using ethanol in (mouthwash) products''
because of  "doubts about the safety of alcohol-containing oral
products''.

Prof McCullough said the most popular mouthwashes contained higher
concentrations of alcohol than drinks such as wine or beer.

"If you have a glass of wine, you tend to swallow it,'' he said.

"With mouthwash, you have a higher level of alcohol and spend longer
swishing it around your mouth.

"The alcohol that is present in your mouth is turned into
acetaldehyde.''

Regular alcohol consumption was a cancer risk, Prof McCullough said,
but usually did not involve swishing it around the mouth.

Eating while drinking increased salivation, which lowered the risks,
he said.

"The most significant difference (between alcohol and alcohol-
containing mouthwash) is that one is for pleasure and the other is
being recommended as a health product.''

Cancer Council NSW chief executive Andrew Penman said the review
was "interesting'', but called for further research.

"I think it's quite a well-thought-out proposition, but it does
warrant further investigation,'' he said.

Copy and paste this whole link to reach original news article.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24896583-
5001021,00.html

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Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:56 pm
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#998 From: "DR. CHERYL L. FIELDS,MBA, PH.D (ABD)" <EMPORIA962000@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:17 am
Subject: Times May Be Hard.........but
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27 January 2009

Hey Team:

I do NOT care how rough things, get-----y'all have to stay positive.
Over 70,000 jobs were slashed on 26 January 2009

It is probably going to get worse before it gets better (just being
real here).  However the story below [suicide] is so very sad and I
hope no one on this e-mail list is even considering doing something
like this, team it AIN'T worth it!   Team it's going to rain in your
life, but trust me the sun really does come peeping through the
clouds and it gets better.  (Trust me, I have been there and done
that!)

Remember life can throw you some strange twists and turns, but it is
only TEMPORARY, it can not last forever.

You may not have any money today in your checking account, your house
is going into foreclosure, you just got laid off without notice from
your job, your car is being towed by the repo man/woman as you read
this e-mail, your income tax refund check has been withheld by the
IRS, your telephone/cellphone has been cut off, tomorrow your water
will be cut off,  the kids need new clothes, you have no medical
insurance (so that severe pain in your chest will just have to wait
another month or so), you have received notice that in four days your
gas/lights will be shut off, you just received a certified letter
stating your paycheck is going to be garnished this pay period (but
you just got laid off today!), your phone is ringing constantly as
the bill collectors call from 8am to 9pm EVERYDAY, you hate to go to
your mailbox because it is filled with past due bills (and you just
got laid off!), you are afraid to answer your front door it could be
the landlord with an eviction notice (again), you and the kids are
hungry there just is not enough food to go around (you have not had a
decent meal in months as you try to conserve energy, food resources,
and your budget), your spouse/significant other bolts out on you---
leaving even more unpaid bills, you try to apply for food
stamps/welfare and you do not qualify; there appears to be no HOPE
for you-----but even through all of this you all have to find
the "POSITIVE", side.

IF it helps sing the old gospel song (one of my late
Grandmother's/"Granny's favorites!), "I Won't Complain".

It helps me on my good and bad days.  I could have more (and who
doesn't want a 2009 customized Rolls Royce sitting in front of their
home?), but I also know I could be sleeping in my car or worse under
a bridge with just the clothes on my back, thus; I WON'T COMPLAIN,
about anything!

I am Blessed and Happy!

The key is staying happy with yourself.  I am content, happy, and
satisfied.  I am REAL with myself, nothing fake about me.  None of
that phony baloney mess.  The only thing about "faking it" is that at
the end of the day when you look in the mirror, you see yourself in
the real light anyway!  So why fake it.  Acknowledge your situation,
access your options, and take a positive stand to change your
situation.  Be proactive and encourage/empower yourself.  (Trust me
ain't no one going to send you a million dollars or a million dollars
will not fall out of the sky, team.)

Just think about other people and the terrible times they are
having.  You may not have what you want right now, but trust me it
could be a lot worse.

I can't imagine not having something to eat (although I may eat way
too much, but I am eating! lol!).  I can't imagine not being able to
turn on a light or watch cable TV, yeah simple basic stuff, but yet
some of us still complain.  Remember the song team "I Won't Complain,
remember each day how Blessed you are.  Print this out and place on
your forehead if you need to remind yourself.  (Well okay, maybe not
your forehead, but maybe on the ice box!)

Very Sincerely,
Respectfully,


Cheryl "StillStanding"  Fields, MBA, Ph.D. (ABD)
(425)-282-4738-Home/Voice-mail

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By THOMAS WATKINS, Associated Press Writer Thomas Watkins, Associated
Press Writer – 37 mins ago, 27 January 2009 {Yahoo! News}



LOS ANGELES – A man who fatally shot his wife, five young children
and himself Tuesday had earlier faxed a note to a TV station claiming
the couple had just been fired from their hospital jobs and together
planned the killings as a final escape for the whole family. "Why
leave the children to a stranger?" Ervin Lupoe wrote, according to
KABC-TV.

The station called police after receiving the fax, and a police
dispatch center also received a call from a man who stated, "'I just
returned home and my whole family's been shot."

Officers rushed to the home in Wilmington, a small community between
the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, about 8:30 a.m., apparently
within minutes of the killings. Officers could still smell the
gunshot residue in the air.

Although the fax asserted that Ana Lupoe planning the killings of the
whole family, police Lt. John Romero said Lupoe was the suspect. A
revolver was found next to his body.

Ana Lupoe's body was found in a downstairs bedroom with the bodies of
the couple's twin 2-year-old boys. The bodies of an 8-year-old girl,
twin 5-year-old girls were found alongside Lupoe's in an upstairs
bedroom.

It was the fifth mass death of a Southern California family by murder
or suicide in a year. Police urged those facing tough economic times
to get help rather than resort to violence

"Today our worst fear was realized," said Deputy Chief Kenneth
Garner. "It's just not a solution. There's just so many ways you find
alternatives to doing something so horrific and drastic as this."

Lupoe removed three of the children from school about a week and a
half ago, saying the family was moving to Kansas, the school
principal told KCAL-TV. Crescent Heights Elementary School Principal
Cherise Pounders-Caver said nothing seemed to be troubling Lupoe at
that time; she did not ask why the family was moving.

Kaiser Permanente Medical Center West Los Angeles released a
statement confirming both Lupoe and his wife worked there; both were
medical technicians.
"We are deeply saddened to hear of the deaths of the Lupoe family,"
it said in a statement.

In the letter he faxed to a TV station, Ervin Lupoe claimed he and
his wife both had been fired and that she suggested they kill
themselves and their children, too. Police described the fax but did
not release the details.

KABC reported that the man claimed in the fax that a medical center
administrator rebuffed them when they showed up to work, told them to
file a union grievance and said, "You should have blown your brains
out."

Lupoe wrote that they filed a grievance but nothing was done and two
days later they were fired, KABC said.

"They did nothing to the manager who started such and did not attempt
to assist us in the matter, knowing we have no job and five children
under 8 years old with no place to go. So here we are," the note said.

At the bottom of the note, Lupoe wrote, "Oh lord, my God, is there no
hope for a widow's son?"

The Kaiser Permanente statement made no comment on the claims in
Lupoe's fax.

"He was going through some critical situations at the job, that's
what he described in that two-page letter, ongoing problems at the
job, and that's what prompted him to take his own life and his
family's, from what was said in the fax letter," Garner said.

The two-story home, much larger than its one-story neighbors, sits in
front of a railroad track in Wilmington, a small community about 18
miles south of downtown. A children's playset stood in the backyard.

Retired truck driver Jaime Solache, who lives a few doors down, said
many of these newer, larger homes in the neighborhood had gone into
foreclosure. The Lupoe house, which has a sign hanging above the
driveway reading "The Lupoe's Pad," is about 6 years old, Solache
said.

News of the killings sent shivers through the community, and several
neighbors came to the yellow police tape to watch a steady procession
of officials enter and leave the home.

"This area right here is quiet, calm," said Armando Chacon, who lives
one block north. "People like to sit out at weekends and barbecue.
Other than this, no problems at all."

A community meeting was planned later Tuesday in a local church.

It was the fifth mass death of a Southern California family by murder
or suicide in a year.

On Dec. 24, a man dressed up as Santa Claus invaded a Christmas Eve
party at his ex-wife's parents' home in suburban Covina. His ex-wire
and eight of her relatives died from gunshots or in the house fire he
set. The man later killed himself.

In October, an unemployed financial manager despairing over extreme
money problems shot and killed his wife, three children, mother-in-
law and himself in their home in the Porter Ranch area of the San
Fernando Valley.

In June, five members of a Turkish-American family, clad in black,
were found dead in an upscale home in San Clemente. Investigators say
it was apparently a suicide pact but the reason is a mystery.

#997 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
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No; Monnell center totally stopped communicating with me; even after I told them I could wait for as long as it would take. I've read about places where you can send your urine sample in but I'm not comfortable doing this as I may contaminate and cause a false negative/positive. At monnell you have to go in in person. It would be the cheapest option for me  not to mention, I have family in the area that I can stay with. I will try and convince them again and see what happens.
Thanks,
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Yes - negative both times. However, 1. my personal symptoms were exactly like everyone here and 2. "I" concluded that the conditions relating to my results garnered a false negative. It's a hard thing to dispute.
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have you ever been tested for tmau


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Hi Bobbi;
I'm sorry for responding late to your post;
I think your theory switching to organic foods is right on track with what I've been thinking all along. I've never tried all organics cause I thought most was overpriced but prices are coming down with regular grocery stores carrying this items. I'll start to experiment with these foods; in the long run, I may save more in healthcare costs if the organics prove to be the ultimate healer I've been searching for. I was a real processed foods addict and there are times I feel like I could kill for dorritos. LOL. I loved milk and milk products too but I've had to stay away from this too. I've been doing this for about five months and my odor is almost non-existent.
I'll keep you posted.
Mercy.



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From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:27:35 AM
Subject: [Trimethylaminuria] Thanks Bobbi

Hi Bobbi;
I'm sorry for responding late to your post;
I think your theory switching to organic foods is right on track with what I've been thinking all along. I've never tried all organics cause I thought most was overpriced but prices are coming down with regular grocery stores carrying this items. I'll start to experiment with these foods; in the long run, I may save more in healthcare costs if the organics prove to be the ultimate healer I've been searching for. I was a real processed foods addict and there are times I feel like I could kill for dorritos. LOL. I loved milk and milk products too but I've had to stay away from this too. I've been doing this for about five months and my odor is almost non-existent.
I'll keep you posted.
Mercy.



#993 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:12 pm
Subject: Trimethylaminuria: A Noninfectious Cause of Vaginal Odor
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This article can be found in our file section but lately we have had
several requests for it. Woman want to copy this and bring it to
their MD.

So just to share this again here it is:

http://www.femalepatient.com/html/features/031_03_010.asp

Trimethylaminuria: A Noninfectious Cause of Vaginal Odor

S.C. Mitchell, DSc, FRCPath; R.L. Smith, DSc, (Hon)MRCP; J.R. Harris,
FRCP, FRCP(I)

The distinctive –fishy" vaginal odor—traditionally linked with a
number of infections of the lower genital tract—is emerging as a
disorder in its own right.



ABSTRACT

Two patients who were previously diagnosed with inherited (primary)
fish-odor syndrome (trimethylaminuria) were examined for the presence
of trimethylamine in their vaginal secretions. Their samples were
compared with those obtained from a healthy control group and a
cohort of patients with bacterial vaginosis (BV). As expected, those
with BV secreted larger amounts of trimethylamine than the control
group. However, the two patients with trimethylaminuria—although
presenting with no vaginal/cervical pathology—secreted trimethylamine
levels that were at least double those found in the patients with BV.
This suggests that trimethylaminuria may be an underlying but
unappreciated cause of vaginal malodor (especially fish-like odor) in
patients found to be infection-free.

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INTRODUCTION

Vaginal malodors are usually associated with infection. An odor
resembling decaying fish is almost diagnostic of BV—ie, anaerobic
vaginosis, nonspecific vaginitis, Gardnerella vaginalis vaginitis,
Haemophilus vaginalis vaginitis—one of the most common conditions
diagnosed in women attending genitourinary clinics in England and the
United States.1-5 Biochemical examination of vaginal-wash specimens
obtained from patients with BV have shown increased amounts of
acetate and succinate, together with occasional higher levels of
other short-chained organic acids such as propionate, butyrate,
isobutyrate, and isovalerate.5,6 The two alkyldiamines, putrescine
and cadaverine, have also been identified, as have elevated amounts
of the monoamine compounds methylamine, trimethylamine,
isobutylamine, phenylethylamine, tyramine, and histamine.7-9.

Many of these compounds (which are thought to arise from bacterial
metabolism) may contribute to vaginal malodor. However, it is the
amine components—particularly the volatile trimethylamine—that are
probably responsible for the distinctive fish-like aroma.9,10

One condition that is particularly associated with a fish-like odor
is trimethylaminuria. In its primary genetic form, trimethylaminuria
is caused by the failure of an isoform of the hepatic flavin-
containing monooxygenase enzyme 3 (FMO3) to oxidize trimethylamine,
provided via enterobacterial action on dietary precursors, into
nonodorous trimethylamine N-oxide.11 The resulting excess volatile
trimethylamine leaves the body via the sweat and urine, and affected
women often seek treatment for distressing vaginal malodors.12-14

Until recently, trimethylaminuria was thought to be a rare condition.
However, a clearer understanding of the problem (particularly at the
genomic level), plus the development of relatively simple diagnostic
procedures, has led to the identification of more cases.11,15,16 To
determine whether women with this condition may have problems with
vaginal malodor, the authors examined the trimethylamine levels in
normal vaginal secretions from two trimethylaminuria patients and
compared them with those found in a healthy control population and in
subjects with BV.

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METHODS

Subjects

Two patients who were previously diagnosed with primary
trimethylaminuria following extensive investigation—together with
their parents and siblings—volunteered for the study.13,17-19
Subjects for the comparison groups were selected from women attending
the Department of Genito-Urinary Medicine at Saint Maryês Hospital,
London, England. Women were excluded from the study if they were
younger than age 16 years, were menstruating or pregnant, were
receiving or had received antibiotics or topical vaginal treatments
within the previous month, or had a high risk of hepatitis B or human
immunodeficiency virus infection. All patients gave their informed
consent, and the local ethics committee approved the study.

Diagnosis

Trimethylaminuria.—The two female patients with trimethylaminuria
were referred via their physicians after presenting with a history of
body odor and urine smelling of rotting fish. Quantitative analysis
of their urine (0 to 24 hours) for trimethylamine and its N-oxide
showed that these subjects were relatively deficient in N-oxidation
capacity. A subsequent oral trimethylamine load test confirmed this N-
oxidation deficiency, and also indicated the heterozygous status of
their parents.18,19 Examination of nucleic acid samples taken from
the patients, their siblings, and their parents demonstrated the
presence of a point mutation within the chromosome region encoding
for FMO3, and this was associated with a dysfunctional enzyme. This
particular chromosome region has subsequently been shown to be highly
polymorphic.11,13,15

Bacterial Vaginosis.—Secretions were collected from the lateral
vaginal fornix with a cotton-wool-tipped swab to measure pH using
indicator paper. A positive amine-test result was recorded when a –
fishy" odor was released following addition of vaginal secretions to
a small volume of 20% aqueous potassium hydroxide. Specimens were
taken from the urethra and endocervix with plastic culture loops (10
mcL) for preparation of gram-stained smears and saline wet mounts
that were examined by oil-immersion and phase-contrast microscopy.
Additional aliquots of these secretions were transported to the
microbiology laboratory for subsequent culture for Neisseria
gonorrhoeae and yeasts, specifically Candida albicans. Chlamydial
infection was sought by a positive reaction with an enzyme-linked
immunosorbent assay (ELISA) for Chlamydia trachomatis antigen.
Cultures for herpes simplex virus and serologic tests for syphilis
were performed when clinically indicated. Bacterial vaginosis was
diagnosed in women meeting three of four criteria—ie, a thin,
homogenous vaginal discharge; vaginal pH > 4.5; a positive amine-test
result; and the presence of –clue cells" (squamous vaginal epithelia
covered with bacteria) on saline wet mount.

Trimethylamine Analysis

Secretions were collected from the lateral vaginal fornix using a
cotton-wool-tipped wooden swab that was then placed in an airtight,
screw-capped vial containing hydrochloric acid (0.5 mL). The vials
were immediately frozen at -20çC and transported to the laboratory
for subsequent analysis by head-space gas chromatography.20 All
analyses were undertaken in duplicate, with high-amine samples
diluted as appropriate.20

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RESULTS

As the amount of vaginal secretion initially collected onto the swab
and the amount of secretion subsequently extracted from the swab into
the hydrochloric acid solution undoubtedly varied from patient to
patient, quantitative analyses of these samples were not attempted.
However, the integrated peak areas provided an accurate measure of
trimethylamine presented to the analysis procedure, and thus served
as a semiquantitative guide (rank) for the relative amount of amine
initially present in the vaginal secretions (Table).

For the control (N = 39) and BV (N = 38) groups, no significant
statistical differences were found between the age of the patients
and the presence of trimethylamine in their vaginal secretions
(product moment correlation coefficient, Studentês t-test between
subgroups). Also, no statistically significant differences were
observed when groups of smokers (control N = 10, BV N = 24) versus
nonsmokers, or oral contraceptive users (control N = 9, BV N = 12)
versus nonusers were compared (x-squared test). There were more
patients in the BV group with higher trimethylamine levels (20 to 39
mcg) than would be expected when compared with healthy controls (P
< .01, x-squared test). The two patients with trimethylaminuria, who
were both nonsmokers and free from any vaginal/cervical pathology,
had trimethylamine levels that were very high (> 80 mcg)—ie, at least
100% greater than the patients with BV and 300% greater than controls
(Table).

Table not available online
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DISCUSSION

The observation that the group of patients diagnosed with BV had
higher levels of trimethylamine in their vaginal secretions than
would have been expected when compared with healthy subjects supports
the view that trimethylamine is a major contributor to the malodor
associated with this condition.9 This is not surprising, as a –fishy"
odor (especially in an alkaline environment) is almost diagnostic of
BV. That trimethylamine is generated by the vaginal microbial flora
is implied in the successful treatment of BV with metronidazole and
the subsequent loss of malodor. Indeed, studies have shown the
disappearance of short-chained organic acids following such
treatment, suggesting alterations in the vaginal microbial
ecosystem.5 It is also possible that oral metronidazole may decrease
the enterobacterial liberation of trimethylamine from dietary
precursors, thereby reducing gastrointestinal absorption and the
subsequent amount of amine available for secretion into the vagina.
This hypothesis appears to be contradicted by previous observations,
where no significant association was evident between the urinary
trimethylamine concentration and that in the vaginal discharge,9
although another published study intimates in its favor.21

Nevertheless, in the present investigation, the two patients with
trimethylaminuria exhibited levels of trimethylamine far greater than
those seen in the patients with BV—who also typically complain of a
fishy vaginal odor. The absence of vaginal/cervical pathology in
patients with trimethylaminuria precludes bacterial infection as a
cause, and implies that excessive amounts of trimethylamine must be
reaching the vaginal secretions from other sources. A single large
dose or a weekês course of oral metronidazole (or tinidazole), a
standard treatment for BV, may well be initially effective for
treating trimethylaminuria, decreasing the ability of the
gastrointestinal microbes to liberate trimethylamine from dietary
precursors and hence reducing trimethylamine uptake and circulatory
levels.16 However, with the cessation of medication and the
reestablishment of the gastrointestinal microorganisms, the vaginal
malodor will reappear.

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CONCLUSION

The possibility of trimethylaminuria as an underlying, but
unappreciated, cause in patients who present with fish-like vaginal
malodor should be considered —especially when no infectious cause can
be identified. Although the two patients reported here displayed the
primary genetic form of trimethylaminuria, thereby inheriting a
relatively inefficient flavin monooxygenase system, 11 the
consequences may be partially offset by decreasing the substrate load
that the enzyme has to process. Modification of the diet to decrease
trimethylamine intake has led to a reduction in odor problems, and
appears to be an appropriate step in the management of this
condition. 22-24

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ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

The authors would like to thank Dr R. Ayesh and staff in the Genito-
Urinary Clinic of Saint Maryês Hospital, London, England, for
assistance in the collection of clinical samples.

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S.C. Mitchell, Dsc, FRCPath, is a reader in drug metabolism, Faculty
of Medicine, Division of Biomedical Sciences. R.L. Smith, DSc, (Hon)
MRCP, is emeritus professor of pharmacology, Faculty of Life
Sciences, Division of Biomedical Sciences. Both are at the Imperial
College, Sir Alexander Fleming Building, South Kensington, London,
England. J.R. Harris, FRCP, FRCP(I), is consultant physician in
genitourinary/HIV medicine, Saint Mary's Hospital, Faculty of
Medicine, Imperial College, Paddington, London, England.


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#992 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
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Thanks for the suggestion; I'll make her work really hard for her money. I'll have to print this out and take it to her...........its really hard to pronounce LOL.
Mercy.


#991 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
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Hi Bobbi;
I'm sorry for responding late to your post;
I think your theory switching to organic foods is right on track with what I've been thinking all along. I've never tried all organics cause I thought most was overpriced but prices are coming down with regular grocery stores carrying this items. I'll start to experiment with these foods; in the long run, I may save more in healthcare costs if the organics prove to be the ultimate healer I've been searching for. I was a real processed foods addict and there are times I feel like I could kill for dorritos. LOL. I loved milk and milk products too but I've had to stay away from this too. I've been doing this for about five months and my odor is almost non-existent.
I'll keep you posted.
Mercy.


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#989 From: bobbi francis <annhenry99@...>
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Hey Mercy,
I just wantd to add a bit of "possibility". I remember when I first started with the low choline diet. I suffered these same symptoms. Then someone posted the need for additional Proteins. I planned to stay home for a few days thinking I'd experience a bout with the stinkies but I didn't. The first day I ate nothing but egg whites and chicken breast and green steam. (any green vegetable steamed well) try to stick with spinach or kale. After the first day. I slept better, but was a little concerned and still avoided leaving the house. The second day I remember headaches in the morning, but would go away as soon as I ate "well". I went out and did not notice any reactions. The third day was probably my best as I noticed that I had lost a few pounds and had more energy. I stayed on the high protein diet for a week or so. A few days into the second week, I sarted to smell meat or crap everywhere I went. I then started to supplement with nullo or activated charcoal which didn't help. A nutritionist then advised me to add soy, which made it even worse. That's when I discovered food combine chemistry. I had to be careful to watch what I eat "with" what I eat. Grains and glutens are not my friend. Meat alone makes me crazy but PROTEINS are a must.
 
If you can tolerate an all meat diet go for it for a day or two. Try to buy only free range not farm raised as those animals are fed grains.
 
Isn't it a shame that we have to hunt for quality food? Shoot! I'd kill for an Oreo!
Keep your head up.
P,S. While you're out there hunting don't forget to let us know "who" has the good meats.
 
Love Bobbi  
       

Let us put a Happy face on your living space today.

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Subject: [Trimethylaminuria] Re:NIH's Undiagnosed Diseases Program
To: Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 9:28 PM

Thanks Sharon I¢ll keep you posted.

The last three days have been especially bad and I'm trying to figure out what I ate or did differently. Sometimes even sleeping too much (over 8hrs) will bring on the symptoms. Eight hours is normal for most people and they¢d feel refreshed; for me it¢s the total opposite, I feel lousy when I get eight or more hours of uninterrupted sleep. I think my body has just adapted to the insomnia and treats sleep as an abnormality LOL......... .. I¢ve seen numerous doctors about this symptoms, one thought I was a hypochondriac, some thought I had sleep apnea which I was tested for. I think maybe it has to do with malabsorption of minerals and vitamins. Anyway, I have a great doctor and I¢m sure he¢ll work with me and help me get into the study by providing them with my medical records.

Take care,



#988 From: "marthaturner804" <marthaturner@...>
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Mercy, suggest or offer the following to your physicians as a possibility:

Dimethylglycine dehydrogenase

This gene encodes an enzyme involved in the catabolism of choline, catalyzing the oxidative demethylation of dimethylglycine to form sarcosine. The enzyme is found as a monomer in the mitochondrial matrix, and uses flavin adenine dinucleotide and folate as cofactors. Mutation in this gene causes dimethylglycine dehydrogenase deficiency, characterized by a fishlike body odor, chronic muscle fatigue, and elevated levels of the muscle form of creatine kinase in serum.

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> As for the chronic fatigue, I've not been tested for it. The problem is I've been seeing general practitioners who don't know how to diagnose or treat metabolic conditions. Also, I look very healthy and vibrant and all my tests come back negative so the doctors think I'm being a pain sometimes some tell me everyone experiences exhaustion every once in a while. One even suggested depression as a cause LOL. I'll see a specialist who was recommended by my colon therapist.
> Mercy.
>


#987 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:33 am
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As for the chronic fatigue, I've not been tested for it. The problem is I've been seeing general practitioners who don't know how to diagnose or treat metabolic conditions. Also, I look very healthy and vibrant and all my tests come back negative so the doctors think I'm being a pain sometimes some tell me everyone experiences exhaustion every once in a while. One even suggested depression as a cause LOL. I'll see a specialist who was recommended by my colon therapist.
Mercy.


#986 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
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Thanks Sharon I¢ll keep you posted.

The last three days have been especially bad and I'm trying to figure out what I ate or did differently. Sometimes even sleeping too much (over 8hrs) will bring on the symptoms. Eight hours is normal for most people and they¢d feel refreshed; for me it¢s the total opposite, I feel lousy when I get eight or more hours of uninterrupted sleep. I think my body has just adapted to the insomnia and treats sleep as an abnormality LOL........... I¢ve seen numerous doctors about this symptoms, one thought I was a hypochondriac, some thought I had sleep apnea which I was tested for. I think maybe it has to do with malabsorption of minerals and vitamins. Anyway, I have a great doctor and I¢m sure he¢ll work with me and help me get into the study by providing them with my medical records.

Take care,



#985 From: "sharnsk" <sharnsk@...>
Date: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:28 pm
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Mercy,

Have they ruled out Chronic fatigue syndrome? Adrenal fatigue seems
very similar. Interesting to read about the adrenal fatigue though.
Let us know how you make out and what you think is causing these
symptoms?

Sharon+

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> Thanks Sharon for this info. I've been dealing with some weird
health problems for years but all my blood work comes back negative
for thyroid, low blood sugar, syndrome X etc. My symptoms include
lightheadedness, nausea insomnia, lethargy, brain fog, headache,
muscle aches, and numerous digestive issues. I've completely changed
my diet (no processed foods, dairy or gluten) but some of the
symptoms still linger. My colon therapist took my case file to
doctors at Vanderbilt and they suspect I may have adrenal fatigue. My
next step is to see an endocrinologist who specializes in metabolic
disorders. This website you provided is very helpful and I'll make
good use of it.
>  
> Mercy.
>

#984 From: mercy kimani <kanyoni16@...>
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Thanks Sharon for this info. I've been dealing with some weird health problems for years but all my blood work comes back negative for thyroid, low blood sugar, syndrome X etc. My symptoms include lightheadedness, nausea insomnia, lethargy, brain fog, headache, muscle aches, and numerous digestive issues. I've completely changed my diet (no processed foods, dairy or gluten) but some of the symptoms still linger. My colon therapist took my case file to doctors at Vanderbilt and they suspect I may have adrenal fatigue. My next step is to see an endocrinologist who specializes in metabolic disorders. This website you provided is very helpful and I'll make good use of it.

 

Mercy.



#983 From: bobbi francis <annhenry99@...>
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HEY GIRL - HAPPY NEW YEAR! SORRY 22 DAYS LATE!
 
The biggest problem with any digestion or food related illness is that we will never know for sure "WHAT" it contains. Our FDA approves anything and everything. Our corporations will do anything to save a dime even at the expense of their consumers. The only way to ensure that we (PTMAU) do not suffer any repercussion from ingesting the wrong stuff is to COOK IT I very seldom eat anything that is not cooked. Fruit is probably the only food that I simply cannot tolerate heated.  Yes, I even run my Romain in the micro for a minute or two.
As for chocolate, I understand that processed chocolate has lecithin, but this kind of fat is usually used to enhance the texture of the mixture or make it smoother. This nutrient is also beneficial in helping to keep your colon as neat as possible. A necessary thing but, it is the choline of all choline - have you ever taken a lecithin supplement? Oh LORD - pure funk! If anyone is still not sure that you have an digestion related problem or not, take one on a day (make that a weekend) that you don't have anything to do and can afford to stay inside and cry because you will stink bad enough to go looking for a gun. (if you are already depressed don't try this stuff) You will only need one to confirm your beliefs and you will never use it again so try to ask a health food store to let you have ONE or buy the smallest quantity that you can afford to throw away.
 
Everything we do must be done on a principle of balance and harmony. A cup of hot chocolate is very helpful for depression but contains sugar and milk products. make sure to use a enzyme or only use it at bedtime 
 
You can have chocolate (dark only) because it doesn't have 'as' much sugar Try Hersey's dark. I buy the snack size and have only 'one' with my tea or coffee like a dessert.
 
I have also found a fudge bar is tolerable as well.
 
I have a hard time fitting VOO (virgin olive oil) in my budget for cooking so I only use whole butter as a oil. I never fry food so I only need it for salads. I've taken up using pan-drip instead since it is whole (even though it is meat drip) but it is very flavor-full and eliminates the need for oil. I love VOO for my skin and hair so I save mine for that.  
 
We can all simply try and see. "Sometimes" does not mean all the time. We have to be mindful of how much.
Love
Bobbi   
 
 
Let us put a Happy face on your living space today.

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, sharnsk <sharnsk@...> wrote:
From: sharnsk <sharnsk@...>
Subject: [Trimethylaminuria] Re: - HAVE YOU TRIED ALL OF THIS?
To: Trimethylaminuria@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 2:21 PM

Hi Bobbi,

It is strange how one food can bother one person and not another
person. Chocolate has lecithin, white, light and dark, and I can't
eat it. The strange thing is Cocoa Powder has no lecithin and I can
mix up that and have a little with no problem. They even sell organic
chocolate chips that are soy lecithin free if you read the label.

(Cocoa, dry powder, unsweetened, 1 tbsp has 0.6mg choline.)

Peas and beans I avoid totally and go for the highly colored ones
like squash, beets, sweet potatoes and a bit of spinich. The deeper
colors have the higher antioxidants.

I bet cut up squash, white rice and tomatoes would be good? I use
flax occ but try to get my omega 3 from olive oil instead. I wasn't
raised on olive oil and am trying to get use to it. Any suggestions
on olive oil?

--- In Trimethylaminuria@ yahoogroups. com, bobbi francis
<annhenry99@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hey Drew,
> I'm a Foodie so I am always looking for a way to eat the goodies.
Yes Dark chocolate has less milk and more cocoa. Try to buy the best
you can. Hershey is a good one but Dove is better. It is very bitter
but does not cause acne or make you stink. I also enjoy a hot cup of
cocoa before bedtime but must, must take an enzyme  with it. (beano
or equate brand multi-enzyme) .
> I always cook a bit pot of rice and store it in the fridge. I steam
green beans or green peas (frozen is less expensive and very fresh) I
steam them in the microwave for about 4-5 minutes and then add them
to my rice for a meal. Sometimes I add whole flax seeds and black
pepper. One of my faves is white rice with fresh sliced tomatoes and
flax. I use a few pats of whole butter and sea salt and pepper (yum!)
don't cook the tomatoes with the rice.
>  
> White rice seems to absorb the gases from beans and the combination
makes a whole protein. It seems that I also don't need to subside
these kinds of meals with supplements.
>  
> I'm get full and don't feel deprived. Try it!
>
> Let us put a Happy face on your living space today.
>
> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Denny Drew <valdendan@. ..> wrote:
>
> From: Denny Drew <valdendan@. ..>
> Subject: [Trimethylaminuria] Re: Anyone that can help - HAVE YOU
TRIED ALL OF THIS?
> To: low>Trimethylaminuria@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:02 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Hi Bobbi
>
> Are u saying that
> 1. Beans can be eaten, if u are cooking it up with rice?.
> 2. Chocolate can be eaten, but it has to be dark not light ?
>
> Would really like to know because i really miss eating the above
food.
> Thanku so much .
>
> -- In w>Trimethylaminuria @ yahoogroups. com, bobbi francis
> <annhenry99@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > THERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO TRY THAT DO HELP BUT NOTHING "YET" IS A
> PERMANENT CURE.
> > DID YOU TRY ALL OF THIS ?
> >  
> > BATH  TIME:
> > USE A CLOSER TO COLDER TEMP. (HOT WATER IS MOSTLY USED TO COOK
> THINGS)
> > MAKE SURE TO USE "NO" SOAP INITIALLY - ALWAYS USE A GOOD WASH
> CLOTH - NOT A BRUSH - NOT A LOOFAH.
> > SCRUB ALL AREAS WELL - TO REMOVE DEAD SKIN LAYERS. THEN USE A
> ANTIBACTERIAL CLEANSER ( I MAKE MY OWN= 1/2 ANY LIQUID
ANTIBACTERIAL
> WASH 1/2 EITHER "HYDRO-PEROX" OR "ALCOHOL" OR IODINE, NOT ALL
THREE )
> WASH EVERYTHING REALLY REALLY WELL, THEN RINSE AND REPEAT. SOME
> PEOPLE ACHIEVE GOOD RESULTS USING A DANDRUFF SHAMPOO TO BATHE WITH
> AND SOME DO NOT. IT IS ALL RELEVANT TO YOUR PRECURSOR.
> >  
> > AFTER YOU ARE GOOD AND CLEAN TURN OFF WATER BUT DO NOT DRY OFF.
> >  
> > IF YOU "SHAVED" SLATHER YOUR ENTIRE BODY WITH MILK OF MAGNESIUM
OR
> ANY STORE BRAND. IF YOU DID NOT SHAVE SLATHER YOURSELF WITH BAKING
> SODA. (GIRLS DO "NOT" USE THE BAKING SODA ON THE VAGINA. BUY
VAGISIL
> POWDER AND SPRINKLE INTO YOUR HANDS AND MASSAGE INTO THAT AREA.
THIS
> POWDER WILL HAVE A STRONG SMELL IF YOU USE TO MUCH. REMEMBER LESS
IS
> BETTER.)
> > AFTER YOU ARE ALL DONE WITH THAT, ONLY USE FRAGRANCE FREE LOTION
OR
> ALOE BODY OIL OR ANYTHING UNSCENTED.
> > IF YOU LIKE TO HAVE A NICE LITTLE SMELL USE A NICE SHAMPOO FOR
YOUR
> HAIR ONLY OR SPRAY A LOT OF YOUR SMELL ON BEFORE YOU BATHE. TRUST
ME
> YOU WILL STILL BE SMELLING IT.
> > USE GLADE AIR FRESHENER (LINEN SCENT) ON ALL FABRICS IN YOUR
HOME.
> ARM AND HAMMER OR TIDE FOR LAUNDRY. ANY VINEGAR BASED CLEANER ON
HARD
> SURFACES OR BLEACH.
> > KEEP HAND SANITIZER IN YOUR PURSE. WORKS AS A GREAT FRESHENER
WHEN
> YOU CAN'T WASH GOOD.
> >  
> > AS FOR EATING.
> > MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE COME FROM GASES PRODUCED OR NOT
> ABSORBED. SOME FROM THE OUTSIDES, SOME FROM THE INSIDES.
> >  
> > TO HELP THE INSIDES THE LOW CHOLINE DIET IS BEST IF YOU CAN
> MAINTAIN IT BUT IT CAN GET A LITTLE BORING AND SINCE CHOLINE IS A
> NECESSARY NUTRIENT - SOME MAY FEEL A LITTLE UNHEALTHY. THE EASIEST
> WAY TO REMEMBER OR MAINTAIN IT IS:"IF IT SMELLS STRONG OR MAKES YOU
> FART - IT WILL MAKE YOU STINK."
> > MAINTAIN GOOD FLORA - TAKE A DAILY PRO-BIOTIC
> > STAY HYDRATED - DRINK WATER OR TEAS- GREEN TEA WITH EVERY MEAL IS
> GREAT!
> > KEEP YOUR METABOLISM ACTIVE - A 10 MINUTE WORK-UP IN MORNINGS,
> STRETCH OR YOGA - TAKE DEEP BREATHS AND CHANT DEEPLY
> > FORCE AS MUCH AIR ROM YOUR THROAT AS YOU CAN.
> > WHITE FOODS ARE SAFER FOR US THAN BROWN FOOD. WHITE RICE IS A
> STAPLE. NOT AS HEALTHY AS BROWN BUT BROWN MAY HAVE GLUTEN.
> > AVOID! AVOID! AVOID! ALL GLUTEN, BEANS (UNLESS WITH WHITE RICE),
> YEAST, SOY AND SUGAR.
> > FRESH FRUIT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN STAND - FRUIT HAS LEAST AMOUNT OF
> CHOLINE BUT SUGAR CAN CAUSE SOME PROBLEMS AS WELL.
> > VINEGAR WATER, FOOD ENZYMES AND CHARCOAL ARE GREAT IF YOU CHEAT
> (LIKE ME)
> > MY DAILY SUPPLEMENTATION
> > 1-250MG MAGNESIUM - NATURAL REGULATOR FOR THE COLON
> > 1- 1000 VITA D
> > 1 - 500MG ZINC
> > 2 SOFT CHEW CALCIUM SUPPLEMENT. (HAS SUGAR AND SOY BUT TASTE GOOD
> AND SOMETIMES I DON'T FEEL LIKE A MEAL AND THIS WORKS AS A
> REPLACEMENT)
> > 2 PROBIOTICS (ANY KIND)
> >  
> > AFTERNOON SUPPLEMENT
> > 2 BINDING (FIBER RICH) LAXATIVES WITH LARGE GLASS OF WATER (USE
> EQUATE FIBER TABLET) WILL SOON TRY MIRA-LAX OR ENCLOSE.
> >  
> > THE FOODS YOU EAT AND HOW YOU FEEL ARE THE MAIN CULPRITS. TRY TO
BE
> HAPPY - DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY JUST MAKES THE SMELLS WORST.
> >  
> > IF YOU LIKE COFFEE - REMEMBER NOT TO DRINK IT WITH MILK OR SUGAR.
> > IF YOU LIKE CANDY - TRY TO USE DARK CHOCOLATE ONLY OR BRUSH YOUR
> TEETH TO RID YOUR CRAVINGS.
> > IF YOU DON'T HAVE FOODS THAT YOU CAN TOLERATE - KEEP RICE ON
HAND.
> IT IS VERY INEXPENSIVE AND YOU CAN EAT IT AT ANY MEAL.
> > MAKE SURE TO USE WHOLE FOODS ONLY. NOT PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED
> ANYTHING.
> > LOW CHOLINE DIETS ARE VERY LOW IN PROTEINS SO TRY ADD SOME ON A
> WEEKLY BASIS. TRY NUTS AND BEANS (ALWAYS WITH WHITE RICE).
> > LATELY IT APPEARS THAT FARMERS ARE FEEDING CHICKENS SOY BEANS.
TRY
> A WEEK WITHOUT ANY CHICKEN PRODUCTS AND LET US KNOW IF THIS HAS
> HELPED ANY. 
> >  
> >  
> > THIS IS A LOT, I KNOW, BUT AS MOST OF US HERE WILL ATTEST , IT IS
A
> LIFE THAT NEEDS ADJUSTING. WE DO ALL OF OUR ADJUSTING - 1 DAY AT A
> TIME.
> > SOME DAYS THEY WORK, SOME DAYS THEY DON'T BUT WE JUST KEEP ON
> ADJUSTING!     
> >  
> > REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL HERE AND ALL OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH
WHAT
> YOU ARE GOING THROUGH.
> >  
> > Also know that God will never leave you or forsake you.
> > May he also bless you and keep you well, for this I ask of Him in
> prayer.
> > Love,
> > Bobbi 
> >      
> > Put a Happy face on your living space today.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, intamissy23 <intamissy23@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: intamissy23 <intamissy23@ ...>
> > Subject: [Trimethylaminuria] Re: Anyone that can help
> > To: Trimethylaminuria@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:18 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm going through the same thing. I can't always smell it so I'm
> > constantly looking in the faces of others around me because thats
> the
> > only way I know I'm smelling sometimes. I experience the same
thing
> as
> > well as now my neighbor yells into my apartment door "I'm tired
of
> this
> > odor in front of my door. People in my building are constantly
> > complaining of an odor in the hallway, I've smelled the garbage
> like
> > odor.
> > I've tried staying away from the high choline foods but all it
> seems to
> > do is change the odor up but it doesn't go away. I'm seeing a
> therapist
> > because for whatever reason my doctor doesn't smell it but people
I
> > work around make comments that I need to wipe my a** and when I
go
> to
> > the store people don't stand next to me talk to me or even look
at
> me.
> > I'm thinking of going strict vegetarian but there are vegetables
> that
> > trigger real bad smells as well. I want to live my life but for
now
> I
> > have a problem with getting out the door I'm stuck in my skin
> because
> > now I'm not even safe in my home any more.
> > I've taking many test and everything comes back normal. I know
what
> > your going through so I'm hoping some good info comes back.
> >
> > --- In Trimethylaminuria@ yahoogroups. com, "brandijewel22"
> > <brandijewel22@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am 23 and been suffering from an odor that started at 18. All
> my
> > > health test have come back negative and kidneys and liver are
> good.
> > My
> > > body doesnt have a fishy odor but instad a sour and crappy
odor.
> I
> > > signed up because I feel the best help comes from those who
have
> done
> > > their own research. Over the years the odor gets worse fisrt I
> got it
> > > sometimes but now its constant and I have horrible breath no
> matter
> > how
> > > much I brush. Please give me advice on anything you know. I
just
> had
> > > twins and its embarrssing to take them to the doctor no one
wants
> to
> > > sit by you. Or get in line behind you at the grocery store. O r
> > please
> > > tell me doctors anything. I am always depressed and want to
stay
> home
> > > this is ruining my life!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
> > >
> >
>


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