I was just diagnosed with papillary thyroid cancer, I am facing surgery
in the next couple of weeks, it sounds like if the find the cancer on
the right lobe nodule (which the dr says high probability due to path
report on fine needle aspir) they will do a total thyroidectomy. Was
the recoup and surgery hard? Olga
Hi Lily,
I had a 1cm nodule on the right side of my thyroid and had to have a
total thyroidectomy. Once inside, they found that it was necessary
to take all my thyroid, parathyroids and several lymphnodes because
I had papillary carcinoma. I was almost 28 when they did my surgery
so I also was extremely worried about the scar. My surgeon placed
the scar on the "fold" which is very nice....even though you can see
it for now, it is in the perfect place to cover it up with a
beautiful necklace (when the sensitivity goes away of course). I
have a very large scar...it goes almost all the way across my throat
but is very light and has faded signifigantly in the last 2 years.
As someone who has been there, and even about the same age, I would
strongly encourage you to go through with the surgery...especially
if the scarring is your main concern. They make so many great creams
now (like Mederma) and there are so many trendy necklaces out there,
that you'll be able to hide the scar! Don't worry!
Misty
California
--- In ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com, "lilyvc" <lilyvc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed with a 1cm
thyroid
> nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound, TSH (.03), and
FreeT4
> (19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle aspiration biopsy,
which
> showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now recommending that I
> remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years old. I'm
feeling
> very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm seeking a second
opinion
> to see if there are any alternatives to surgery. Can people talk
> about their own experience with a lobectomy or thyroidectomy
though?
> I'm really worried about the scarring. I know they find a skin
> crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of creasing that
would
> hide a scar... does the incision have to be in the middle of your
> neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really appreciate your
> thoughts!
>
> - Lily
>
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>From: "ss_us_ad" <ss_us_ad@...>
>Reply-To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
>To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ThyroidDisease] scar from the surgery after 11 months
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:18:36 -0000
>
>Dear all,
>
>I had total thyroidectomy in Oct 2005 and my surgeon or none of my
>doctors told me that I should apply something on my scar so that it
>will look better.Going into the surgery they told me it will be as
>cosmetic as it can be I thought there won't be much of an issue and I
>was not aware of my skin properties as of now, since I did not have
>any scars from anything in the recent yrs.But to my surprise a few
>weeks after the surgery the scar has become like a very thick line
>right across my neck.My incision was also pretty big since I had a big
>tumor.I have read abt mederma in one of these mails is it any good?
>Can I use it after almost a year ? or is there anything else in the
>market which cane be of use to me? I have heard of people using
>vitamin e, will it do any good if I start using it now or is it too
>late? Your responses will be highly appreciated.
>Thanks
>sree
>
>
>
I had my surgery about 10years ago, I put nothing on my incession and you can
barely see my scar I would say it is a beautiful scar, when I first had the
surgery I was horrified at how high it was and ugly. Thank God I had a great
surgen.
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i had several tumors and agoiter that was choking me . it took nine hours for
my surgery and i have a stright line scar that is just wonderful. i think it all
depends on who your doctoer is. my daughtr has a friend that is sixteen and had
hers removed and she has a bad thick scar and hers was a partial removal. i
tlod her to get the patches that helps scaring and she uses them everyday. they
do work. hers has improved so much. good luck
Dawn Dingeldein <spiritsk@...> wrote: I used Vitamin E on mine
and it heled soften it alot.
My last surgery was in April so my scar is looking
good.
I am not too worried about how my scar looks,
Dawn
--- ss_us_ad <ss_us_ad@...> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I had total thyroidectomy in Oct 2005 and my surgeon
> or none of my
> doctors told me that I should apply something on my
> scar so that it
> will look better.Going into the surgery they told me
> it will be as
> cosmetic as it can be I thought there won't be much
> of an issue and I
> was not aware of my skin properties as of now, since
> I did not have
> any scars from anything in the recent yrs.But to my
> surprise a few
> weeks after the surgery the scar has become like a
> very thick line
> right across my neck.My incision was also pretty big
> since I had a big
> tumor.I have read abt mederma in one of these mails
> is it any good?
> Can I use it after almost a year ? or is there
> anything else in the
> market which cane be of use to me? I have heard of
> people using
> vitamin e, will it do any good if I start using it
> now or is it too
> late? Your responses will be highly appreciated.
> Thanks
> sree
>
>
>
>
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I used Vitamin E on mine and it heled soften it alot.
My last surgery was in April so my scar is looking
good.
I am not too worried about how my scar looks,
Dawn
--- ss_us_ad <ss_us_ad@...> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I had total thyroidectomy in Oct 2005 and my surgeon
> or none of my
> doctors told me that I should apply something on my
> scar so that it
> will look better.Going into the surgery they told me
> it will be as
> cosmetic as it can be I thought there won't be much
> of an issue and I
> was not aware of my skin properties as of now, since
> I did not have
> any scars from anything in the recent yrs.But to my
> surprise a few
> weeks after the surgery the scar has become like a
> very thick line
> right across my neck.My incision was also pretty big
> since I had a big
> tumor.I have read abt mederma in one of these mails
> is it any good?
> Can I use it after almost a year ? or is there
> anything else in the
> market which cane be of use to me? I have heard of
> people using
> vitamin e, will it do any good if I start using it
> now or is it too
> late? Your responses will be highly appreciated.
> Thanks
> sree
>
>
>
>
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Dear all,
I had total thyroidectomy in Oct 2005 and my surgeon or none of my
doctors told me that I should apply something on my scar so that it
will look better.Going into the surgery they told me it will be as
cosmetic as it can be I thought there won't be much of an issue and I
was not aware of my skin properties as of now, since I did not have
any scars from anything in the recent yrs.But to my surprise a few
weeks after the surgery the scar has become like a very thick line
right across my neck.My incision was also pretty big since I had a big
tumor.I have read abt mederma in one of these mails is it any good?
Can I use it after almost a year ? or is there anything else in the
market which cane be of use to me? I have heard of people using
vitamin e, will it do any good if I start using it now or is it too
late? Your responses will be highly appreciated.
Thanks
sree
I would ask my doctor about when you can start using the mederma. I
saw my surgeon one week after surgery and he told me that I could
start it. My incision was healed over very well though. I heal fast
so that is why I got to start it. I definitely would not do anything
without asking my doctor. I would not want to risk any infection or
complications. I think you are really going to be pleasantly
surprised about the scar. If you have a good surgeon, it is really
not bad. Mine is only two inches and really barely visible after
only four months. The first few days it was raised and red and quite
creepy looking but after that it turned pink and stayed that way for
a couple of months and now it is just a small white line. To tell
you the truth, after I had my surgery (which is often the case)lots
of folks told me that had had the same surgery and there was not one
of them that I had ever noticed their scar in casual conversation
until I knew they had the surgery and I was looking for it. Even
after telling you all this, I still say the scar was the least of my
worries. I felt so bad and now I feel so good!!!!!
I had my dh with me for a couple of days after my
surgeries. We have 2 girls so I needed help with
them. I was only in overnight and went home the day
after surgery. I was limited with what I could do.
My surgein put it to me this way when it came to
physical activity: do only what I can tolerate.
For me since I exercise all I did was walk at a normal
pace for a week.
I have not used mederma but am fine with the scar I
have. Within 2 weeks I was almost back to normal.
Dawn
--- Lily Chiu <lilychiu@...> wrote:
> Hi Dottie,
>
> I was looking up info on mederma, and wondering when
> you started using it on
> the scar. I've heard from others that you have to
> keep the area as sterile
> as possible for a couple weeks. Does that mean that
> you started using
> mederma after that? The doctors have told me I only
> have to stay at the
> hospital one night just in case there's bleeding,
> but after that I will be
> going home... Do you feel like it's important to
> have other people around
> once you're at home, or can you pretty much take
> care of yourself after
> leaving the hospital?
>
> Thanks again!
> - Lily
>
> On 9/8/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@...> wrote:
> >
> > I had gotten a lot of advice to not have surgery
> also, but I had no
> > choice,
> > I could no longer swallow solid foods. I did not
> have cancer. I had
> > Hashimotos and the surgery took all the scary
> symptoms away.
> >
> > As for going back to work on Monday, I kinda doubt
> that you will be able
> > to.
> > I had my surgery on Friday and I was only supposed
> to stay in the hospital
> >
> > overnight but they bruised my parathyroids when
> they took mine out
> > (remember
> > I had to have it all out and actually my doc said
> when they do a really
> > good
> > job and get it all, they sometimes bruise your
> parathyroid) so my calcium
> > levels dropped and as I live over an hour away
> from the hospital they kept
> >
> > me until Monday to monitor. My calcium went up as
> my parathyroids healed
> > and I have had no more problems. The three days in
> the hospital were so
> > boring because I actually felt better than I had
> in months. I think this
> > was due to breathing better and getting more
> oxygen in my body. I really
> > waited too long to have surgery as I dreaded it so
> bad. Looking back, I
> > was
> > silly because it really was not bad at all.
> >
> > I was never sore and the only problem I had with
> the incision was
> > incredible
> > itching while it was healing. I used mederma on
> the scar and it is not bad
> >
> > at all.
> >
> > Again, best of luck to you.
> >
> > >From: Dawn Dingeldein <spiritsk@...
> <spiritsk%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > >Reply-To:
>
ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com<ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
> <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
> > >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >
> > >I was sore after the surgery. I had trouble
> getting
> > >up from a laying position because you do use alot
> one
> > >muscles in your neck when you do try to get up. I
> > >only had an overnight stay in the hospital and
> went
> > >home the next day. I took prescription
> painkillers
> > >for a few days. As for getting back to normal it
> took
> > >me about a week or a little over that. Looking up
> and
> > >things like that was a minor and I just adjusted
> to
> > >how I did things. I have a child that is 9 yrs
> old so
> > >she did get to help me some.
> > >
> > >Your doctor may not let you go back to work so
> soon.
> > >I stay at home and I babysit for other families.
> I
> > >watched a 2 yr old 3 days after each surgery. I
> did
> > >adjust how I did things but it worked. I had to
> wait
> > >2 weeks to do such things as sing and play music.
> I
> > >play handbells and sing in a choir so I had to
> take a
> > >break from that. But now I am good as new. One
> thing
> > >I experience is that when it is chilly at night
> my
> > >neck will get stiff, like you have a charlie
> horse,
> > >but once I move my neck I am fine.
> > >
> > >Like I said I have learned to live with it. But
> since
> > >my thyroid does not work I have to take a thyroid
> > >hormone.
> > >
> > >One thing I found out when I was told I had ancer
> was
> > >that my surgeon said it is common to find cancer
> > >during surgery and that if you are to get cancer,
> > >thryoid cancer is the best one to get since it is
> > >usually slow moving.
> > >
> > >I was told by a friend I should not have surgery
> but I
> > >did my research and followed my heart. I felt
> surgery
> > >was best for me and good thing I did.
> > >
> > >Keep us informed on your decision and how you are
> > >doing. I know it is not easy and we have dealt
> with
> > >this een with 2 girls in our home.
> > >
> > >Dawn
> >
> > >--- Lily Chiu <lilychiu@...
> <lilychiu%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Dawn and Dottie for your responses. How
> did
> > > > you feel after the
> > > > surgery? I'd like to know what to expect...if
> > > > that's possible. I've been
> > > > told that I only need to stay in the hospital
> one
> > > > night. Does that mean
> > > > that I will be able to function pretty well
> after
> > > > that? I had been planning
> > > > on scheduling my surgery for a Thursday or
> Friday,
> > > > and then going back to
> > > > work on Monday. Is that a reasonable
> expectation?
> > > >
> > > > The doctor makes it seem like it's no big
> deal...but
> > > > then I've read stories
> >
> > > > that are really scary. On a different board,
> > > > everybody is telling me not to
> > > > even do the surgery.... but I would feel
> pretty
> > > > stupid if I actually had
> > > > cancer and chose to ignore it. . . at the same
> time,
> > > > I feel really
> > > > conflicted about the idea of getting half of
> my
> >
> > > > thyroid removed just to find
> > > > out it's benign. The nodule itself is not
> bothering
> > > > me at all...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/7/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@...
> <dottie_123%40hotmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I had my thyroid removed in May and the scar
> is
> > > > just a thin, white line
> > > > > now.
> > > > > Most people say they don't notice it, unless
> I
> > > > point it out. My surgery
>
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Hi Dottie,
I was looking up info on mederma, and wondering when you started using it on
the scar. I've heard from others that you have to keep the area as sterile
as possible for a couple weeks. Does that mean that you started using
mederma after that? The doctors have told me I only have to stay at the
hospital one night just in case there's bleeding, but after that I will be
going home... Do you feel like it's important to have other people around
once you're at home, or can you pretty much take care of yourself after
leaving the hospital?
Thanks again!
- Lily
On 9/8/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@...> wrote:
>
> I had gotten a lot of advice to not have surgery also, but I had no
> choice,
> I could no longer swallow solid foods. I did not have cancer. I had
> Hashimotos and the surgery took all the scary symptoms away.
>
> As for going back to work on Monday, I kinda doubt that you will be able
> to.
> I had my surgery on Friday and I was only supposed to stay in the hospital
>
> overnight but they bruised my parathyroids when they took mine out
> (remember
> I had to have it all out and actually my doc said when they do a really
> good
> job and get it all, they sometimes bruise your parathyroid) so my calcium
> levels dropped and as I live over an hour away from the hospital they kept
>
> me until Monday to monitor. My calcium went up as my parathyroids healed
> and I have had no more problems. The three days in the hospital were so
> boring because I actually felt better than I had in months. I think this
> was due to breathing better and getting more oxygen in my body. I really
> waited too long to have surgery as I dreaded it so bad. Looking back, I
> was
> silly because it really was not bad at all.
>
> I was never sore and the only problem I had with the incision was
> incredible
> itching while it was healing. I used mederma on the scar and it is not bad
>
> at all.
>
> Again, best of luck to you.
>
> >From: Dawn Dingeldein <spiritsk@... <spiritsk%40yahoo.com>>
>
> >Reply-To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com<ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> >To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
> >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >I was sore after the surgery. I had trouble getting
> >up from a laying position because you do use alot one
> >muscles in your neck when you do try to get up. I
> >only had an overnight stay in the hospital and went
> >home the next day. I took prescription painkillers
> >for a few days. As for getting back to normal it took
> >me about a week or a little over that. Looking up and
> >things like that was a minor and I just adjusted to
> >how I did things. I have a child that is 9 yrs old so
> >she did get to help me some.
> >
> >Your doctor may not let you go back to work so soon.
> >I stay at home and I babysit for other families. I
> >watched a 2 yr old 3 days after each surgery. I did
> >adjust how I did things but it worked. I had to wait
> >2 weeks to do such things as sing and play music. I
> >play handbells and sing in a choir so I had to take a
> >break from that. But now I am good as new. One thing
> >I experience is that when it is chilly at night my
> >neck will get stiff, like you have a charlie horse,
> >but once I move my neck I am fine.
> >
> >Like I said I have learned to live with it. But since
> >my thyroid does not work I have to take a thyroid
> >hormone.
> >
> >One thing I found out when I was told I had ancer was
> >that my surgeon said it is common to find cancer
> >during surgery and that if you are to get cancer,
> >thryoid cancer is the best one to get since it is
> >usually slow moving.
> >
> >I was told by a friend I should not have surgery but I
> >did my research and followed my heart. I felt surgery
> >was best for me and good thing I did.
> >
> >Keep us informed on your decision and how you are
> >doing. I know it is not easy and we have dealt with
> >this een with 2 girls in our home.
> >
> >Dawn
>
> >--- Lily Chiu <lilychiu@... <lilychiu%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Dawn and Dottie for your responses. How did
> > > you feel after the
> > > surgery? I'd like to know what to expect...if
> > > that's possible. I've been
> > > told that I only need to stay in the hospital one
> > > night. Does that mean
> > > that I will be able to function pretty well after
> > > that? I had been planning
> > > on scheduling my surgery for a Thursday or Friday,
> > > and then going back to
> > > work on Monday. Is that a reasonable expectation?
> > >
> > > The doctor makes it seem like it's no big deal...but
> > > then I've read stories
>
> > > that are really scary. On a different board,
> > > everybody is telling me not to
> > > even do the surgery.... but I would feel pretty
> > > stupid if I actually had
> > > cancer and chose to ignore it. . . at the same time,
> > > I feel really
> > > conflicted about the idea of getting half of my
>
> > > thyroid removed just to find
> > > out it's benign. The nodule itself is not bothering
> > > me at all...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/7/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@... <dottie_123%40hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I had my thyroid removed in May and the scar is
> > > just a thin, white line
> > > > now.
> > > > Most people say they don't notice it, unless I
> > > point it out. My surgery
> > > > was the easiest surgery I have ever had. I did not
> > > even have to take pain
> > > > pills after. The only complication I had was that
> > > my calcium dropped and I
> > > >
> > > > had to take some prescription vitamin d and
> > > calcium for a while, but that
> > > > rectified itself a couple of weeks after surgery.
> > > By the time I finally
> > > > got
> > > > mine out (1 1/2 c), my swallowing had become so
> > > difficult that I did not
> > > > care about the scar. I was just ready to be able
> > > to eat and breathe
> > > > normally.
> > > >
> > > > Best of luck to you!!!
> > > >
> > > > >From: "lilyvc" <lilyvc@... <lilyvc%40yahoo.com>
> > > <lilyvc%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > >Reply-To:
> > >
> >ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com<ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > > >Subject: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
> > > > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:48:29 -0000
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed
> > > with a 1cm thyroid
> > > > >nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound,
> > > TSH (.03), and FreeT4
> > > > >(19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle
> > > aspiration biopsy, which
> > > > >showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now
> > > recommending that I
> > > > >remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years
> > > old. I'm feeling
> > > > >very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm
> > > seeking a second opinion
> > > > >to see if there are any alternatives to surgery.
> > > Can people talk
> > > > >about their own experience with a lobectomy or
> > > thyroidectomy though?
> > > > >I'm really worried about the scarring. I know
> > > they find a skin
> > > > >crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of
> > > creasing that would
> > > > >hide a scar... does the incision have to be in
> > > the middle of your
>
> > > > >neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really
> > > appreciate your
> > > > >thoughts!
> > > > >
> > > > >- Lily
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >each day as if it were your last."
> >
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Hi Teresa, thanks for telling your story. I guess I am worried about people
not actually looking at me anymore, but just at my scar. I feel like I will
have to invest in a lot of turtlenecks and scarves or something. How long
did it take before the scar truly started to fade? My nodule is really
small, so I guess I'm not dealing with any consequences except for the fact
that it may be cancerous (20% chance). Anyway, thanks again...it really
helps to hear about other people's experiences!
On 9/7/06, Teresa <braves_fan1974@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there- My name is Teresa and I had to have half of my thyroid
> removed about 4 years ago. I was about 26 myself. I was just like
> you didn't really want to go through the surgery but I was diagnosed
> on Wed of one week with 3 large nodules on the left side. The doctor
> had me in surgery the following Monday morning. As far as my scar
> goes.. if you look hard enough.. you can see it because like you.. I
> don't have any wrinkles in there yet. At first, I was real
> embarrassed by the scar.. then it kinda started making me upset
> because when people would be talking to me especially when the
> bandages came off, they would be looking at my neck instead of
> looking at me. But I realized that they were just courious. It isn't
> something that you see everyday. The doctors let you know how big
> the scar is and yes, it is in the middle of your neck, but it really
> wasn't taht bad.. The first few days in the hospital was rough.. I
> mean with the pain but they gave me constant pain meds and a
> morphine pump to help. And it really does help. They may tell you
> that you might not be able to talk for a few days afterwards because
> they have to go right beside the vocal cords and sometimes it
> bruises them but I didn't have any problem. I was a little raspy in
> my throat when I talked but it was ok. You will also find that there
> will be some things you just can't driink because it burns. Believe
> it or not.. the only thing I could drink for several days was Choc.
> Milk. They have it at the nurses desk.. all you have to do is ask
> for it. Even though I only had half of mine removed, they eventually
> had to put me on meds because the other half just couldn't keep up
> enough. But, I have been doing alot better. It will take a while to
> get over it... I guess it took me about a year...to get adjusted to
> the meds and all. But, that nodule that you have will only get
> bigger and it will eventually have to be removed. Mine was so big
> when I finally went to the doctor because I thought I was having
> panic attacks.. My heart was pounding.. I was tired all the time...
> and it felt like I couldn't breathe sometimes. I found out that one
> of the nodules had gotten big enough that it was actually pushing on
> my trachea and cutting off my air. But, if you ever want to talk to
> me about it or have any questions... feel free to send me a email or
> pull me up on my messenger on yahoo at braves_fan1974. Ok.. I'm sure
> everything will be fine... Teresa
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I had gotten a lot of advice to not have surgery also, but I had no choice,
I could no longer swallow solid foods. I did not have cancer. I had
Hashimotos and the surgery took all the scary symptoms away.
As for going back to work on Monday, I kinda doubt that you will be able to.
I had my surgery on Friday and I was only supposed to stay in the hospital
overnight but they bruised my parathyroids when they took mine out (remember
I had to have it all out and actually my doc said when they do a really good
job and get it all, they sometimes bruise your parathyroid) so my calcium
levels dropped and as I live over an hour away from the hospital they kept
me until Monday to monitor. My calcium went up as my parathyroids healed
and I have had no more problems. The three days in the hospital were so
boring because I actually felt better than I had in months. I think this
was due to breathing better and getting more oxygen in my body. I really
waited too long to have surgery as I dreaded it so bad. Looking back, I was
silly because it really was not bad at all.
I was never sore and the only problem I had with the incision was incredible
itching while it was healing. I used mederma on the scar and it is not bad
at all.
Again, best of luck to you.
>From: Dawn Dingeldein <spiritsk@...>
>Reply-To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
>To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I was sore after the surgery. I had trouble getting
>up from a laying position because you do use alot one
>muscles in your neck when you do try to get up. I
>only had an overnight stay in the hospital and went
>home the next day. I took prescription painkillers
>for a few days. As for getting back to normal it took
>me about a week or a little over that. Looking up and
>things like that was a minor and I just adjusted to
>how I did things. I have a child that is 9 yrs old so
>she did get to help me some.
>
>Your doctor may not let you go back to work so soon.
>I stay at home and I babysit for other families. I
>watched a 2 yr old 3 days after each surgery. I did
>adjust how I did things but it worked. I had to wait
>2 weeks to do such things as sing and play music. I
>play handbells and sing in a choir so I had to take a
>break from that. But now I am good as new. One thing
>I experience is that when it is chilly at night my
>neck will get stiff, like you have a charlie horse,
>but once I move my neck I am fine.
>
>Like I said I have learned to live with it. But since
>my thyroid does not work I have to take a thyroid
>hormone.
>
>One thing I found out when I was told I had ancer was
>that my surgeon said it is common to find cancer
>during surgery and that if you are to get cancer,
>thryoid cancer is the best one to get since it is
>usually slow moving.
>
>I was told by a friend I should not have surgery but I
>did my research and followed my heart. I felt surgery
>was best for me and good thing I did.
>
>Keep us informed on your decision and how you are
>doing. I know it is not easy and we have dealt with
>this een with 2 girls in our home.
>
>Dawn
>--- Lily Chiu <lilychiu@...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Dawn and Dottie for your responses. How did
> > you feel after the
> > surgery? I'd like to know what to expect...if
> > that's possible. I've been
> > told that I only need to stay in the hospital one
> > night. Does that mean
> > that I will be able to function pretty well after
> > that? I had been planning
> > on scheduling my surgery for a Thursday or Friday,
> > and then going back to
> > work on Monday. Is that a reasonable expectation?
> >
> > The doctor makes it seem like it's no big deal...but
> > then I've read stories
> > that are really scary. On a different board,
> > everybody is telling me not to
> > even do the surgery.... but I would feel pretty
> > stupid if I actually had
> > cancer and chose to ignore it. . . at the same time,
> > I feel really
> > conflicted about the idea of getting half of my
> > thyroid removed just to find
> > out it's benign. The nodule itself is not bothering
> > me at all...
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I had my thyroid removed in May and the scar is
> > just a thin, white line
> > > now.
> > > Most people say they don't notice it, unless I
> > point it out. My surgery
> > > was the easiest surgery I have ever had. I did not
> > even have to take pain
> > > pills after. The only complication I had was that
> > my calcium dropped and I
> > >
> > > had to take some prescription vitamin d and
> > calcium for a while, but that
> > > rectified itself a couple of weeks after surgery.
> > By the time I finally
> > > got
> > > mine out (1 1/2 c), my swallowing had become so
> > difficult that I did not
> > > care about the scar. I was just ready to be able
> > to eat and breathe
> > > normally.
> > >
> > > Best of luck to you!!!
> > >
> > > >From: "lilyvc" <lilyvc@...
> > <lilyvc%40yahoo.com>>
> > > >Reply-To:
> >
>ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com<ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
> > <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >Subject: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
> > > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:48:29 -0000
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed
> > with a 1cm thyroid
> > > >nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound,
> > TSH (.03), and FreeT4
> > > >(19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle
> > aspiration biopsy, which
> > > >showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now
> > recommending that I
> > > >remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years
> > old. I'm feeling
> > > >very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm
> > seeking a second opinion
> > > >to see if there are any alternatives to surgery.
> > Can people talk
> > > >about their own experience with a lobectomy or
> > thyroidectomy though?
> > > >I'm really worried about the scarring. I know
> > they find a skin
> > > >crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of
> > creasing that would
> > > >hide a scar... does the incision have to be in
> > the middle of your
> > > >neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really
> > appreciate your
> > > >thoughts!
> > > >
> > > >- Lily
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>Dance as if no-one were watching, Sing as if no-one were listening, Live
>each day as if it were your last."
>
>www.wwme.org
>World Wide Marriage Encounter
>we are Prayer Couple Coordinators for our local community.
>
>
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>
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Hi there- My name is Teresa and I had to have half of my thyroid
removed about 4 years ago. I was about 26 myself. I was just like
you didn't really want to go through the surgery but I was diagnosed
on Wed of one week with 3 large nodules on the left side. The doctor
had me in surgery the following Monday morning. As far as my scar
goes.. if you look hard enough.. you can see it because like you.. I
don't have any wrinkles in there yet. At first, I was real
embarrassed by the scar.. then it kinda started making me upset
because when people would be talking to me especially when the
bandages came off, they would be looking at my neck instead of
looking at me. But I realized that they were just courious. It isn't
something that you see everyday. The doctors let you know how big
the scar is and yes, it is in the middle of your neck, but it really
wasn't taht bad.. The first few days in the hospital was rough.. I
mean with the pain but they gave me constant pain meds and a
morphine pump to help. And it really does help. They may tell you
that you might not be able to talk for a few days afterwards because
they have to go right beside the vocal cords and sometimes it
bruises them but I didn't have any problem. I was a little raspy in
my throat when I talked but it was ok. You will also find that there
will be some things you just can't driink because it burns. Believe
it or not.. the only thing I could drink for several days was Choc.
Milk. They have it at the nurses desk.. all you have to do is ask
for it. Even though I only had half of mine removed, they eventually
had to put me on meds because the other half just couldn't keep up
enough. But, I have been doing alot better. It will take a while to
get over it... I guess it took me about a year...to get adjusted to
the meds and all. But, that nodule that you have will only get
bigger and it will eventually have to be removed. Mine was so big
when I finally went to the doctor because I thought I was having
panic attacks.. My heart was pounding.. I was tired all the time...
and it felt like I couldn't breathe sometimes. I found out that one
of the nodules had gotten big enough that it was actually pushing on
my trachea and cutting off my air. But, if you ever want to talk to
me about it or have any questions... feel free to send me a email or
pull me up on my messenger on yahoo at braves_fan1974. Ok.. I'm sure
everything will be fine... Teresa
Hi Lily,
I had a total thyroidectomy approximately 2 years ago. The scars
are hardly noticeable now. If you find a good surgeon, you SHOULD
be fine. I do caution to not think that this a miracle solution.
You STILL may encounter problems that are very thyroid-related. I
am still in my recovery mode. You will have to take thyroid
medication probably for the rest of your life and just like hypo
patients, have it adjusted regularly. But like me, if it's 'dead'
like mine was, you will benefit in the long run having it removed.
Best of luck, my prayers are with you.
Kady
--- In ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com, "lilyvc" <lilyvc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed with a 1cm
thyroid
> nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound, TSH (.03), and
FreeT4
> (19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle aspiration biopsy,
which
> showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now recommending that I
> remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years old. I'm
feeling
> very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm seeking a second
opinion
> to see if there are any alternatives to surgery. Can people talk
> about their own experience with a lobectomy or thyroidectomy
though?
> I'm really worried about the scarring. I know they find a skin
> crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of creasing that
would
> hide a scar... does the incision have to be in the middle of your
> neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really appreciate your
> thoughts!
>
> - Lily
>
I was sore after the surgery. I had trouble getting
up from a laying position because you do use alot one
muscles in your neck when you do try to get up. I
only had an overnight stay in the hospital and went
home the next day. I took prescription painkillers
for a few days. As for getting back to normal it took
me about a week or a little over that. Looking up and
things like that was a minor and I just adjusted to
how I did things. I have a child that is 9 yrs old so
she did get to help me some.
Your doctor may not let you go back to work so soon.
I stay at home and I babysit for other families. I
watched a 2 yr old 3 days after each surgery. I did
adjust how I did things but it worked. I had to wait
2 weeks to do such things as sing and play music. I
play handbells and sing in a choir so I had to take a
break from that. But now I am good as new. One thing
I experience is that when it is chilly at night my
neck will get stiff, like you have a charlie horse,
but once I move my neck I am fine.
Like I said I have learned to live with it. But since
my thyroid does not work I have to take a thyroid
hormone.
One thing I found out when I was told I had ancer was
that my surgeon said it is common to find cancer
during surgery and that if you are to get cancer,
thryoid cancer is the best one to get since it is
usually slow moving.
I was told by a friend I should not have surgery but I
did my research and followed my heart. I felt surgery
was best for me and good thing I did.
Keep us informed on your decision and how you are
doing. I know it is not easy and we have dealt with
this een with 2 girls in our home.
Dawn
--- Lily Chiu <lilychiu@...> wrote:
> Thanks Dawn and Dottie for your responses. How did
> you feel after the
> surgery? I'd like to know what to expect...if
> that's possible. I've been
> told that I only need to stay in the hospital one
> night. Does that mean
> that I will be able to function pretty well after
> that? I had been planning
> on scheduling my surgery for a Thursday or Friday,
> and then going back to
> work on Monday. Is that a reasonable expectation?
>
> The doctor makes it seem like it's no big deal...but
> then I've read stories
> that are really scary. On a different board,
> everybody is telling me not to
> even do the surgery.... but I would feel pretty
> stupid if I actually had
> cancer and chose to ignore it. . . at the same time,
> I feel really
> conflicted about the idea of getting half of my
> thyroid removed just to find
> out it's benign. The nodule itself is not bothering
> me at all...
>
>
> On 9/7/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I had my thyroid removed in May and the scar is
> just a thin, white line
> > now.
> > Most people say they don't notice it, unless I
> point it out. My surgery
> > was the easiest surgery I have ever had. I did not
> even have to take pain
> > pills after. The only complication I had was that
> my calcium dropped and I
> >
> > had to take some prescription vitamin d and
> calcium for a while, but that
> > rectified itself a couple of weeks after surgery.
> By the time I finally
> > got
> > mine out (1 1/2 c), my swallowing had become so
> difficult that I did not
> > care about the scar. I was just ready to be able
> to eat and breathe
> > normally.
> >
> > Best of luck to you!!!
> >
> > >From: "lilyvc" <lilyvc@...
> <lilyvc%40yahoo.com>>
> > >Reply-To:
>
ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com<ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
> <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
> > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:48:29 -0000
> >
> > >
> > >Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed
> with a 1cm thyroid
> > >nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound,
> TSH (.03), and FreeT4
> > >(19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle
> aspiration biopsy, which
> > >showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now
> recommending that I
> > >remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years
> old. I'm feeling
> > >very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm
> seeking a second opinion
> > >to see if there are any alternatives to surgery.
> Can people talk
> > >about their own experience with a lobectomy or
> thyroidectomy though?
> > >I'm really worried about the scarring. I know
> they find a skin
> > >crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of
> creasing that would
> > >hide a scar... does the incision have to be in
> the middle of your
> > >neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really
> appreciate your
> > >thoughts!
> > >
> > >- Lily
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
Dance as if no-one were watching, Sing as if no-one were listening, Live each
day as if it were your last."
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Thanks Dawn and Dottie for your responses. How did you feel after the
surgery? I'd like to know what to expect...if that's possible. I've been
told that I only need to stay in the hospital one night. Does that mean
that I will be able to function pretty well after that? I had been planning
on scheduling my surgery for a Thursday or Friday, and then going back to
work on Monday. Is that a reasonable expectation?
The doctor makes it seem like it's no big deal...but then I've read stories
that are really scary. On a different board, everybody is telling me not to
even do the surgery.... but I would feel pretty stupid if I actually had
cancer and chose to ignore it. . . at the same time, I feel really
conflicted about the idea of getting half of my thyroid removed just to find
out it's benign. The nodule itself is not bothering me at all...
On 9/7/06, Dottie H <dottie_123@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I had my thyroid removed in May and the scar is just a thin, white line
> now.
> Most people say they don't notice it, unless I point it out. My surgery
> was the easiest surgery I have ever had. I did not even have to take pain
> pills after. The only complication I had was that my calcium dropped and I
>
> had to take some prescription vitamin d and calcium for a while, but that
> rectified itself a couple of weeks after surgery. By the time I finally
> got
> mine out (1 1/2 c), my swallowing had become so difficult that I did not
> care about the scar. I was just ready to be able to eat and breathe
> normally.
>
> Best of luck to you!!!
>
> >From: "lilyvc" <lilyvc@... <lilyvc%40yahoo.com>>
> >Reply-To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com<ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> >To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com <ThyroidDisease2%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
> >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:48:29 -0000
>
> >
> >Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed with a 1cm thyroid
> >nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound, TSH (.03), and FreeT4
> >(19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle aspiration biopsy, which
> >showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now recommending that I
> >remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years old. I'm feeling
> >very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm seeking a second opinion
> >to see if there are any alternatives to surgery. Can people talk
> >about their own experience with a lobectomy or thyroidectomy though?
> >I'm really worried about the scarring. I know they find a skin
> >crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of creasing that would
> >hide a scar... does the incision have to be in the middle of your
> >neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really appreciate your
> >thoughts!
> >
> >- Lily
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi,
I had my thyroid removed in May and the scar is just a thin, white line now.
Most people say they don't notice it, unless I point it out. My surgery
was the easiest surgery I have ever had. I did not even have to take pain
pills after. The only complication I had was that my calcium dropped and I
had to take some prescription vitamin d and calcium for a while, but that
rectified itself a couple of weeks after surgery. By the time I finally got
mine out (1 1/2 c), my swallowing had become so difficult that I did not
care about the scar. I was just ready to be able to eat and breathe
normally.
Best of luck to you!!!
>From: "lilyvc" <lilyvc@...>
>Reply-To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
>To: ThyroidDisease2@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ThyroidDisease] Thyroid Surgery
>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:48:29 -0000
>
>Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed with a 1cm thyroid
>nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound, TSH (.03), and FreeT4
>(19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle aspiration biopsy, which
>showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now recommending that I
>remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years old. I'm feeling
>very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm seeking a second opinion
>to see if there are any alternatives to surgery. Can people talk
>about their own experience with a lobectomy or thyroidectomy though?
>I'm really worried about the scarring. I know they find a skin
>crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of creasing that would
>hide a scar... does the incision have to be in the middle of your
>neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really appreciate your
>thoughts!
>
>- Lily
>
>
>
I had my thyroid out in March of this year and I was
diagnosed with hyperthyroidism. After my first
surgery I was told that I have hashimoto symdome and
they found cancer spots. They did a second surgery
because they wanted to get the cancer and during the
first surgery my surgeon did not want to get too close
to a nerve. So I had a second surgery within 2 weeks
of the first. I am 35 yrs old and a mom to 2 girls.
A
I say that if the surgery benefits you then go for it
and don't worry about the scar. My scar is in the
middle of my neck on the bottom. You are 26 yrs old
and I say get a second opinion but I have found no one
judges me based on my scar.
My girls thought I looked like frankistein but that
did not bug me at all.
Your health is more important than what you look like.
I am married for over 12 yrs and my scar does not
affect how my dh loves me.
Dawn
--- lilyvc <lilyvc@...> wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group because I was diagnosed
> with a 1cm thyroid
> nodule about a month ago. I had an ultrasound, TSH
> (.03), and FreeT4
> (19) tests done. I then had a fine-needle
> aspiration biopsy, which
> showed follicular neoplasm. My doctor is now
> recommending that I
> remove the left lobe of my thyroid. I'm 26 years
> old. I'm feeling
> very nervous and unprepared for surgery, I'm seeking
> a second opinion
> to see if there are any alternatives to surgery.
> Can people talk
> about their own experience with a lobectomy or
> thyroidectomy though?
> I'm really worried about the scarring. I know they
> find a skin
> crease, but given my age, I don't have a lot of
> creasing that would
> hide a scar... does the incision have to be in the
> middle of your
> neck, or can it be off to one side? I'd really
> appreciate your
> thoughts!
>
> - Lily
>
>
>
>
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I'm really worried about the scarring. I know they find a skin
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Jessica,
"Unremarkable" is a *good thing* - it means there was nothing out of
the ordinary to "remark" about. I don't know about the normal sizes
of the lobes, but nodules should be followed up on - sounds like
ultrasound and the uptake scan are part of that. So your doc is
staying on top of stuff.
HTH,
frankie (longtime lurker)
>ok, so I got the results back today from my thyroid ultrasound and am just
>not understanding how abnormal or whatever they are. Maybe someone has
>something I can compare it to?
>
>Just a quick info, I'm 29, diagnosed with hyperthyroidism about 3 years ago.
>
>Here's what the report says:
>
>"RESULT: Sagittal and transverse sonographic images of the thyroid
>demonstrate the right lobe to measure 5.5 x 1.8 x 2.0 cm and the left lobe
>to measure 5.9 x 1.6 x 2.1 cm.
>
>Both lobes are inhomogeneous (looked up the word it means 'ununiform') in
>their sonographic architecture due to presence of multiple nodules. The
>largest nodule on the right side is about 1.1 x 0.7 x 1.1 cm while the
>largest nodule on the left side is about 1.7 x 0.9 x 1.4 cm. The thyroid
>isthmus is unremarkable.
>
>IMPRESSION: Multinodular goiter with questionable mild interval increase in
>size of the left nodule. Progressive ultrasound study should be performed
>in 3-6 months for interval assessment. Postpregnancy correlation with
>nuclear medicine thyroid uptake scan may also be of value."
>
>So I'm wondering what they mean by 'the thyroid isthmus is unremarkable' ,
>is that good or bad? The nodules have grown in size since my thryroid
>ultrasound done in Jan. '04, but I have no idea what normal measurements of
>the lobes are to compare mine to.
>
>Jessica
>
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ok, so I got the results back today from my thyroid ultrasound and am just
not understanding how abnormal or whatever they are. Maybe someone has
something I can compare it to?
Just a quick info, I'm 29, diagnosed with hyperthyroidism about 3 years ago.
Here's what the report says:
"RESULT: Sagittal and transverse sonographic images of the thyroid
demonstrate the right lobe to measure 5.5 x 1.8 x 2.0 cm and the left lobe
to measure 5.9 x 1.6 x 2.1 cm.
Both lobes are inhomogeneous (looked up the word it means 'ununiform') in
their sonographic architecture due to presence of multiple nodules. The
largest nodule on the right side is about 1.1 x 0.7 x 1.1 cm while the
largest nodule on the left side is about 1.7 x 0.9 x 1.4 cm. The thyroid
isthmus is unremarkable.
IMPRESSION: Multinodular goiter with questionable mild interval increase in
size of the left nodule. Progressive ultrasound study should be performed
in 3-6 months for interval assessment. Postpregnancy correlation with
nuclear medicine thyroid uptake scan may also be of value."
So I'm wondering what they mean by 'the thyroid isthmus is unremarkable' ,
is that good or bad? The nodules have grown in size since my thryroid
ultrasound done in Jan. '04, but I have no idea what normal measurements of
the lobes are to compare mine to.
Jessica
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